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Yeah, I just ended my pledge. Someone needs to call them out or they will lose all their patrons.
That's actually what I was thinking too. If they go back and forth between release, bug patching, release, etc. I admire their idea that, with the two month update system, they would be able to get more in and make sure it works, or at the very least put as much in as we'd have gotten in a month and have the bugfixes already there, but quite obviously that isn't what's happening. I get that the dev doesn't want to stick to a strict schedule, to ensure that they maintain interest in the project, and I admire that, however I think that taking a month off of for bug fixing would be good. It'd give the devs time to get a good idea of what they want to do for the next update, rather than go right into the next update without planning it out. As for their outreach, I absolutely agree. I follow them, not a patron, and used to see fairly often streams going on every week or so, but after reading your comment I realized that I hadn't seen a stream in quite a while. In fact, just checked, their last stream was 16 May, after that it was silence on their patreon until the 31st when they mentioned that their update would be postponed. I think this will be a good update for them though, not necessarily in the quality of the update but in the fact that it'll basically make them take a step back and reanalyze what they're doing. Hopefully they'll see that they need to make some changes in their operations, even a slight change right now will be for the better! I still have faith in SR7 and in SU, I love this game and I want to see it to it's completion, however long that takes!Now in four months I'd say we've seen the equivalent in total of one medium sized update when considering how much content got cut due to bugs. Also for characters and mechanics nobody asked for. If this is a code issue as alleged, which I can believe from an indie project this old and over grown, then I'd suggest their better strategy is one month releases and occasionally taking a month off from any actual content to release a 'patch' release that fixes code issues. They made big promises about the two month cycle, and aren't delivering and it's a problem.
Finally, another issue I personally have is their community engagement, especially with patrons has evaporated. There used to be weekly streams and regular presence in the discord, but now patrons were seeing that they were engaging more here than with actual paying patrons.
This. I want this game to be finished, I want them to continue to be successful in whatever they do after it. But they're being sloppy right now, and they're making enough money that it's not a very good look.That's actually what I was thinking too. If they go back and forth between release, bug patching, release, etc. I admire their idea that, with the two month update system, they would be able to get more in and make sure it works, or at the very least put as much in as we'd have gotten in a month and have the bugfixes already there, but quite obviously that isn't what's happening. I get that the dev doesn't want to stick to a strict schedule, to ensure that they maintain interest in the project, and I admire that, however I think that taking a month off of for bug fixing would be good. It'd give the devs time to get a good idea of what they want to do for the next update, rather than go right into the next update without planning it out. As for their outreach, I absolutely agree. I follow them, not a patron, and used to see fairly often streams going on every week or so, but after reading your comment I realized that I hadn't seen a stream in quite a while. In fact, just checked, their last stream was 16 May, after that it was silence on their patreon until the 31st when they mentioned that their update would be postponed. I think this will be a good update for them though, not necessarily in the quality of the update but in the fact that it'll basically make them take a step back and reanalyze what they're doing. Hopefully they'll see that they need to make some changes in their operations, even a slight change right now will be for the better! I still have faith in SR7 and in SU, I love this game and I want to see it to it's completion, however long that takes!
I want this game to be finished tooThis. I want this game to be finished, I want them to continue to be successful in whatever they do after it. But they're being sloppy right now, and they're making enough money that it's not a very good look.
Hey man thats already enough for the "loyal" patronsGod awful update. Four Elements takes multi month breaks and releases huge chunks of game that substantially move chapter. This was three costumes and a couple of paragraphs
THIS^^^^ You are on point and I agree 100% with the characters stuff, yes adding more characters is a problem but if you add at least those characters that you add are the ones that most of the community of your game have requested like Mera not someone like Audrey or Terra ...Well I was a patreon for 1 year but this update really disappointed me and that's why I ended my pledge, yeah I agree the problem is not that Sunset is lazy but that he moved away from the SU core that makes the game great.
1) In 2015 when the game started they would have made a poll asking the people name your top 20 characters that you want them to be the game, I can assure you in 95% of the polls these characters would not have been: Audrey, Chesiere, Terra and Blackfire (and yes I know that BF has become a favorite of the people but she was not necessary), these 4 characters for the last 4 or 5 updates have been almost the complete focus of content aside from the PR and the finger scene of MM. When characters like Mera or Big Barda have been asked for people both inside in the discord and outside it seems to be ignored
2) Sunset started receiving complaints that his updates were small when he started working on the event sytem before that most of the updates had a good amount of content for one month, I know that said that the event system is to introduce new characters and content easier and maybe it's true but for a game like SU is too much when previously Sunset had introduced 2 characters more easily: Livewire and Blackfire and this is my opinion why I think that: the end goal of the prison event is to introduce two new characters: Poison Ivy and Killer Frost that ended up in the same way as the previous 2 characters : Poison Ivy is Livewire 2.0 you pay to have sex with her and KF is Blackfire 2.0 a villain that she thought was more intelligent than Lex and she end up in the cells and yeah I know that the personalities are different and that may result in different interactions with Lex but thats a matter of writting not of the prison event. And yes the event system can work if I do not know Lex goes to Apokalips and in that event is the only place where Lex will be able to interact with Lashina so it makes sense but like the Prison event where the result is the same as with the other girls that end in the cells, it does not make much sense that build up.
3) The new progression with the girls: If someone wants to know why SU is great, all he has to do is play the arc story of Lois which is a funny dialogue that could even be canon, with a classic progression nothing complex just Dance, HJ , BJ and strip. In contrast now is lesbian scene, Spank and Leash and all these new scenes Sunset have said that they require a lot of time possibly more than the actions of the classic progresion and when after almost 2 years the arc stories of Lois and Mercy are still the favorites of the people that has to tell you something.
4) The programming I think we all knew that as the game would continue to grow it would be necessary to clean and update the trees of coding in the game. He could have made the game with a better structure from the beginning yeah but thats not the case and Sunset now prefers to update and clean the coding according of what he is working in the moment then we were going to see updates that were going to be sacrificed by the cleaning of the coding even in the two-months updates thats inevitable that's why I do not have so much problem with the coding stuff and more with the administration of time and resources put in the creation of current content.
So in the end Sunset can do whatever he wants with his game because it's his vision and I applaud him for always wanting to make new backgrounds, implement new ideas and add new layers of complexity to the game but maybe all this is too much for one single person and SU was already great without the need of these new stuffs but hey thats just me.
They always say the same excuse from the last update "got sick" yeah sure so sunset gets sick every 2 monthsAt this point, I believe if they get a half decent programmer and redo everything using renpy, that will be better for the long run.
But I guess SR7 wants to learn programming or whatever, and they will probably post something to explain how the update is not so great because he is sick or depress or the weather isn't nice.
As long as some retards like Mr. Freeze on their discord keep sucking his dick, they will keep producing half ass update
You know, I can 100% believe they get sick a lot. Not everyone is young and healthy. I speak from experience but I have checked into the hospital 4 times in the last two months. It started with constipation, which got worse. That led to a colonoscopy to check for cancer which turned out negative. Turned out exercise was the answer. Then because I never got exercise before, I pulled a calf muscle which caused me to go back to constipation while I’m recovering. Now after struggling much, I feel discomfort in my testicular area which means I may have to go back. All this and I’m only 31. FMLThey always say the same excuse from the last update "got sick" yeah sure so sunset gets sick every 2 months.