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My opinion when it comes to accessibility (how easy it is to get hooked) of literature/art/game is like this: Books => VN => Video/movie => Games. It all comes down to interactivity, games being the most engaging of all forms. But all comes with a downside/cost of course. Books are the cheapest to make/produce, just write a decent story. Next will be VN which comes down to same cost as books + CG + optional voices. Videos/movie is all about telling the plot and animating it (which may be quite expensive). Games can range depending on budget/ gameplay elements.
I personally consider VNs as the best medium if you want to tell a big ass story. It has all the details only a book can provide (games and movies leave a lot of them, replacing the inner world of characters with action and visuals), PLUS it has variability and choices, plus visuals and voices. VNs only lack animated action and gameplay, though some of them actually have one or another. BTW, most videos fail to actually tell the plot properly as they leave out a lot of things that are present in the script / original books (did you know that all movies are written, first?).
Personally I don't like pure VN H-games, what tends to happen is I skip all the interesting plot dialogue/story beats just to get to the H scene (which is almost the same as just looking at the gallery but a bit more tedious/ has voice/dialogue).
Why would anyone skip the actual story if it's interesting?

This VN in particular isn't famous for its fabulous plot, so that's fair enough if you're just playing it for h-scenes. But how come an actual h-game is better when instead of reading you should go through actual gameplay which is rarely can be skipped and is almost never original or that interesting?


The only time MC has dialogue in H scenes is if he is in them. The rare 5% of the game where he has sex with the heroines. Personally I would have cared more for the heroines if the game does not treat them as disposable tragic h game heroine figures (always getting forced h scenes). Only MC can take the virginity of the 3 heroines for what that's worth (heroines' logic goes like: if I'm about to get stuffed like a turkey in forced h scenes, then I'd rather have my first be with the MC).
Well, that's a strange choice considering that he has a "cuck demon" or something, lol.
 

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I personally consider VNs as the best medium if you want to tell a big ass story. It has all the details only a book can provide (games and movies leave a lot of them, replacing the inner world of characters with action and visuals), PLUS it has variability and choices, plus visuals and voices. VNs only lack animated action and gameplay, though some of them actually have one or another. BTW, most videos fail to actually tell the plot properly as they leave out a lot of things that are present in the script / original books (did you know that all movies are written, first?).

Why would anyone skip the actual story if it's interesting?

This VN in particular isn't famous for its fabulous plot, so that's fair enough if you're just playing it for h-scenes. But how come an actual h-game is better when instead of reading you should go through actual gameplay which is rarely can be skipped and is almost never original or that interesting?



Well, that's a strange choice considering that he has a "cuck demon" or something, lol.
Yeah, like I've said each medium has its pros and cons. I didn't list all of them of course because the list would be very long and this is not a research paper lol. No medium is superior than the other, all it comes down to is preference. Like I also said that certain art fits certain medium (like some things are best for movies, some for games, some are best left as books, etc.)

Most people hate VN format, some like them like you but based on the sales (VN sales right now are dwarfed by other mediums which is why there are many trash CG collectathon H games with barely any gameplay/story. Cheap to produce, higher profit margin, less time to make). VN requires a good writer, good artist, and optionally voice actors. Games can also be cheaper to produce than VNs depending on scale. I agree with you on the movie/video lacking some aspects. Like in another post of mine I stated that the OVA of this game is severely lacking compared to the source material (this game). Another good example of movie/video being inferior is the Fate series. What started as a porn VN became mainstream anime. The anime/movies barely touch on the plot intricacies of the original Fate Stay Night VN, specially Shiro's head monologues. I actually read 2 whole ass routes of the Fate VN (got burnt out due to the long wall of text) Fate route and UBW route. Gave up on Heaven's feel (but I know it's a good story and maybe I'll just watch the anime/movie of it to get the summary).

One major downside of VNs is time consumption. Compared to movies/videos, games, the time investment of VN is insane and it does not keep majority of people hooked to finish it. Games are more engaging, while movies and videos are usually shorter and summarized form of the story (sure some plot intricacies may be lost here and there, but it may be worth it to get more eyes onto the IP/ series).

Quote: "Why would anyone skip the actual story if it's interesting?
This VN in particular isn't famous for its fabulous plot, so that's fair enough if you're just playing it for h-scenes. But how come an actual h-game is better when instead of reading you should go through actual gameplay which is rarely can be skipped and is almost never original or that interesting?"


I am a simple man I don't need a world changing story to be entertained about something. Would I consider something good even though it's plain entertaining? No, there are some stories I can consider good, while some can keep me interested enough based on background plot/lore/setting.

Alicesoft games are famous for their games not because they are purely VN (they may have some purely VN games) but because they have gameplay in their VN. Gameplay can reduce monotony in plainly reading, introduce some action moments that the player can influence/interact with. The gameplay does not need to be groundbreaking but it needs to be good enough to keep the player engaged/ not be a tedious slog to go through. Another developer who makes VN disguised as a game is Oneone1. They have long ass script, branching routes. Would I consider the gameplay of most alicesoft games/oneone1 games good? They are mostly fine, serves the purpose of getting more engaged with the world rather than be a passive reader (with choices here and there in VN games, where most choices could be an illusion of choice).

Different people have different tastes, but the objective fact is that VN market is extremely niche (compared to normal games). Normal games, movies/videos sell more than VNs. Do I consider VN as a bad medium of art? Hell no, all of it can co-exist for one cannot be innovated/developed without the other. Would modern art form today exist if books did not exist? No it would not, but as time progresses people will prefer more convenient ways of consuming art. The whole Fate series would not exist if not for the VN.

VNs could be told with gameplay in mind many games have proven it is possible (the problem would be is that it will increase cost for the developer and it is a thing that they must balance specially if they are indie). Just because something has gameplay (specially h games) does not mean that the story will be trash. Sure majority of h games have trash stories, but the same can also be applied to purely VN H games. The main point of VN H games usally is the H-Scenes and sometimes dumb reasons are used to justify the "plot". Another good h-game that I can consider a "VN-like" is demon roots. It has gameplay yet it also has a deep and engaging story.

Kamidory Alchemy meister is also like a VN with its dialogue yet I played the shit out of it years ago because it has engaging gameplay. Transition from purely VN to a gameplay with a deep story is usually great for the game (sales wise and pacing wise), but a major downside of that is the dev time to develop a good an engaging enough gameplay, and the additional cost to make it (which major indie developers cannot afford, but some take a major risk in order to get more eyes in their game).
 

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Is the goofy clown with the spiky blonde hair avoidable? Like can I kill that dude off? I dont mind ntr but I dont want to see that bozo fuckin anything.
 

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Can anyone help me to get the last scene from miyu and scene 1 and 2 on the 2nd page from yurina pls :(
 

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I liked it. Kagura games are often quality games.
The CGs are nice, even if there could have been more of them (Some H scenes are text-only.)
It's refreshing to have games like these, they're really rare now in this vast sea of vanilla and incest games.

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for whoever else experience issues with resolution (once launched - only part of a screen is visible, options in main menu are off the screen): open properties of spiral.exe, go to compatibility tab, click Change High DPI settings and tick off High DPI scaling override (make sure "application" is chosen under it)
 
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Welp, I thought the game was going to be pretty short given how early one of the possible obtainable endings shows up but it does end up going on for a while.

Not sure if it's just me, but one of Azusa's scenes with
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has the CGs completely break and trying to view the CGs in the gallery makes the game crash.

On a different note, after one of the particular endings, a new option appears upon starting a new game. I'm assuming it has to do with reaching the true end.
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Can anyone help me to get the last scene from miyu and scene 1 and 2 on the 2nd page from yurina pls :(
The missing Yurina scenes are both from the events that leads to Yurina's ending. Though I don't remember how you reach it exactly since I think the required events don't happen if you focus solely on her. You know you've missed it if
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Not sure which Miyu scenes you're missing but there's two scenes for her exclusive to the true end route, one of them not being nsfw.

EDIT:So it turns out to reach the True end you have to
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Lewd wise, its only one extra h-scene and it might be not worth it if you don't care about the plot since you essentially have to an entire full playthrough of Miyu's route again to see it along the way.
 
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game looks good. story is good ? i didn't understand the Overview:
The overview isn't that great since its just mostly a copy paste of an in-game prophecy that foreshadow the events of the game even the characters in the game itself aren't able to interpret at first.

To word it a bit better:
New girl transfers into school who is apparently the Traveler in the prophecy, her arrival pretty much sets the events in motion that calls for the end of the world.
The fruit that have to be protected happens to be, by sheer coincidence, the transfer student and the pair of sisters who live with him, who are his childhood friends.
The prophecy requires the fruit/girls be sexually abused(enslaved) for it to be fulfilled. Given that the three girls are important to the main character, he refuses to let this happen.
Which essentially makes the main character the Priest in the prophecy, the man trying to protect his loved ones. The story is essentially whether he can successfully protect these girls and try to avert this prophecy from happening.

The story is passable, however there is a lot of h-scenes, most of them being NTR but the MC does have some scenes with the girls. Story to H-scene ratio, it's a weird 50-50, there's actually a decent amount of story to read but there's also a lot of moments that exist to just shove a bunch of h-scenes into your face with plot breaks in-between. The NTR is unavoidable, the MC isn't an overpowered anime protagonist that is going to be able to save the girls in time all the time, but I suppose its the effort that counts so he doesn't come off as a total beta.

The gameplay is, its a standard VN, reading and choices and not much else. There is a gameplay mechanic that comes into play from the girls becoming exhausted from the mental toll that comes with being a target for rape everyday but I think it literally doesn't matter for anything but one of the endings which you can't reach on the first playthrough anyway, particular choices seem to have more weight instead for most of the endings and have nothing to do with the meters.

TL;DR: the entire story is painted from the get go that its going to be NTR. If you're not into it, the story that's buried between the large amount of NTR scenes isn't worth going through it all for, especially when its entirely unavoidable. If you're going into it for the NTR, I hope you're okay with tentacles showing up in some scenes and expect to read some.

Or you can just go into the options and skip unread so you don't destroy your hands clicking through dialogue or just grab the save.
 
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They forgot to put an exit game button but they thought to ask you confirmation when you want to leave ?!!...
 
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