VN Ren'Py Starship Inanna [v9.2] [Mad Docs]

[p22]

Full stop right there. Player-sexual is absolutely the standard and to play it off as "I just wrote it that way" is not a defense, it's an admission of sub-par quality writing. Player sexual characters is industry standard for a reason, divorcing your writing from that standard isn't unique, it's regressive. At the very least deciding to visit a character you can't romance shouldn't take up a time-slot.

I would really like to have dislike button here.

So anyway, for anyone with same oppinion, please add like to this post, as alternative.

 

[aj1]

I would really like to have dislike button here.

So anyway, for anyone with same oppinion, please add like to this post, as alternative.

Have to agree, the whole post was poor. For me player-sexual is poor writing. As for the games mentioned they are more masturbation fantasy then fantasy story with sex.

As for his last point, you can't please everyone and nor should you try. @drmaddoc47 is approaching this VN and it's character's the best way in my opinion.

For example i could see Starship Inanna as a AAA game or film/TV series, where most of the Game/VN's/Narratives on here wouldn't go anywhere else.

 

[p22]

Have to agree, the whole post was poor. For me player-sexual is poor writing. As for the games mentioned they are more masturbation fantasy then fantasy story with sex.

Exactly... Those games are kinda... "immature". Better to watch regular porn, then play those.

 

[UncleVT]

I've been following this game since chapter 1 and I like the way it is written, I don't want it to be like other games, so a character is not obtainable, it's not a deal breaker for me. I really think it really shows a lack of class to try to brow beat the developer into making his game just like "I" want it (instead of making a polite request and accepting the answer), especially when it is being offered for free, and as far as the mad docs writing ability, there is nothing wrong with his writing ability, if you want to get pissy about it, make your own damn game. Otherwise act like a gentleman (or woman) instead of a spoiled child to a developer who is nice enough to communicate with us.

I think you quoted the wrong guy...

 

[Deleted member 158605]

It's also industry standard to have a white character for the PC. It's also industry standard to have characters who are all there for the player to bang. To go against those norms is not regressive, or progressive, it's just different. How it is percieved in the end I don't know, neither do you.

A character who is player sexual is a character who is lacking depth in a very important part of their existence. A character can be bisexual, but having them swap back and forth to fit the player makes any romance with them feel trite in my opinion. For instance, Nikka was always bisexual, and was always available, however that was a conscious choice by me to inform aspects of her character. There's also Kani, who was always going to be bi-sexual, however her initial discomfort with being with a man, after her past, gives her just a tiny bit more depth than just having her completely open and available. Case in point, your next comment:



Which means they were not player sexual at the start if I read that right. They change in the plot for their own reasons (or in some cases through blackmail/extortion/etc.), that's character growth to a degree. I am not opposed to changing a character if players ask for it and if it makes sense for the character.




I said Ashe was going to change from Heterosexual to Bisexual due to a lot of demand and pressure from the audience, but in the case of that specific character, she has strong cultural taboos that heavily influence the 'norm'. Her identifying as heterosexual but being more bi-seuxal under the surface is not something conclusively precluded in the game yet. Breaking those taboos are much more interesting and a simpler prospect than suddenly having Samantha fancy a guy when she has always had that option and has never taken it. If it doesn't make sense for the character, it doesn't make sense, and changing that on a whim, with no rationalization at all on behalf of the character, is not good writing.

I'm sorry that this game is not meetings your expectations, but it does meet the expectations of others. There is more than one audience type out there, and for me to claim that I can please everyone is to lie. My next game will likely be different, but I do not know what shape that may take yet. We'll have to see. I welcome opinions on it when the time comes, just as I do welcome hearing opinions on Starship Inanna now. Thank you for sharing yours, even if we do happen to disagree on this.

Quite acting like a spoiled child, throwing a tantrum because they are not getting their way. Just because you don't agree with the mad docs writing style doesn't make it bad, or wrong, and even if he was writing it for himself, So What! It's a free market, if he doesn't want to change the characters just for you, and you just can't stand it, don't play it, I happen to like it just the way it is, I've been following it since chapter 1. I don't follow a story to have everything go according to my own plan. I follow a story for the twist and turns that comes from someone else's mind. I think try to browbeat and insult him into writing the game the way you want shows a decided lack of class, especially it is being offered to anyone at no charge. (Sorry, made a mistake and quoted the wrong guy, I hope you all know who I meant to quote).

 

[Deleted member 158605]

I think you quoted the wrong guy...

Sorry, still make mistakes sometimes because I don't post much, that guy just kind of got me a little salty with the attitude and made a mistake.

 

[WSmith]

If "industry standard" becomes a measure of quality, I don't want to live in this world any longer. The gaming industry is pushing (has pushed?) the standard of loot boxes, of releasing games unfinished, of down-grading, of rehashing old formulas. Quality craftsmanship right there...

No, I agree with the dev. This writing style is just different than the standard, and I for one applaud it, even without having played the game. Hearing not every character is a "slot for the player to fill" is actually something that entices me to play the game. It means there are characters in the world that have their own character, without the MC needing to be the centre of attention. It's good that there are games where you feel you are everything to everyone (hated the most, loved the most), but I also like it if there are games where there is a hard border, making you realise more that you play one part of a story, but the other characters have their story to tell too.

Again, I applaud these practises.

 

[bshippers]

This writing style is just different than the standard, and I for one applaud it, even without having played the game.

I grabbed this game with the expectation that it was just another one-dimensional space-porn and I'd get bored of it in 10 minutes. I'm so happy I was wrong.

It's gotten to the point now that the porn is almost a distraction from the story, and I'm eagerly anticipating the next episodes to see how this situation resolves. @drmaddoc47 should be commended for generating a fascinating detailed world with characters that, for once, aren't paper-thin.

My only complaint is pretty minor: DEVELOP FASTER DAMMIT!!! I don't care if you're only one dude with 24 hours in a day and a life outside of your game, this is about me. I'm dying to know what happens in EP8. This is almost worse than waiting for the next season of the Expanse.

 

[drmaddoc47]

My only complaint is pretty minor: DEVELOP FASTER DAMMIT!!! I don't care if you're only one dude with 24 hours in a day and a life outside of your game, this is about me. I'm dying to know what happens in EP8. This is almost worse than waiting for the next season of the Expanse.

I'm so happy people apprecate the characters beyond their sexual aspects. That is so gratifying to hear and one of my main goals with the game. So I truly do appreciate the kind words and responses (I really should get some of these into a trailer or something).

As for faster development, our next Patreon goal is to bring on an editor, and while that may not help Episode 8 a lot since it's already in production, it would help me with the writing and such in future episodes, which would lead to faster development. That goal also includes animations (not a lot of them, but very story centric ones that would highly benefit from movement and such) and doing that requires upgrading my GPU, which would also help all the images get done faster (as right now I still kinda top out the VRAM on the 1080Ti I have).

 

[bshippers]

That goal also includes animations (not a lot of them, but very story centric ones that would highly benefit from movement and such) and doing that requires upgrading my GPU, which would also help all the images get done faster (as right now I still kinda top out the VRAM on the 1080Ti I have).

Thanks for your response, @drmaddoc47! Given how brutally long iray renders take on even a 1080Ti I begrudgingly accept your excuse.

It does make me wonder if I could jerry-rig a method of oursourcing GPU/CPU power. Not everyone on F95 is flush with cash, but that's because many of them have spent that cash on gaming rigs. If there was a way to pool a hundred of those together (i.e. break up a daz3d render into a hundred separate streams) you might be able to render them all in close to real-time. Instead of one computer locking up for 12 hours to render a few frames, you could steal a few minutes of cycles from a hundred idle GPUs and get it done in 15 minutes.

I mean, it's a fantasy from an implementation perspective, but there's no real technical reason it couldn't work. Someone not as lazy as me, go develop that!

 

[drmaddoc47]

Thanks for your response, @drmaddoc47! Given how brutally long iray renders take on even a 1080Ti I begrudgingly accept your excuse.

It does make me wonder if I could jerry-rig a method of oursourcing GPU/CPU power. Not everyone on F95 is flush with cash, but that's because many of them have spent that cash on gaming rigs. If there was a way to pool a hundred of those together (i.e. break up a daz3d render into a hundred separate streams) you might be able to render them all in close to real-time. Instead of one computer locking up for 12 hours to render a few frames, you could steal a few minutes of cycles from a hundred idle GPUs and get it done in 15 minutes.

I mean, it's a fantasy from an implementation perspective, but there's no real technical reason it couldn't work. Someone not as lazy as me, go develop that!

I've thought about paying for time in an iray render farm, but it's not cheap, and it usually more usable for single scene animations, not a dozen shots here or there. Plenty of people have offered time on their CPUs and GPUs but outside of a render farm it's not feasible with iray. If I was using Reality/Luxrender it may be more doable as you can have client systems but those are generally on the same network and the latency would be a huge issue. Even if it wasn't, I'd have to relearn how shaders work because they aren't the same as Iray.

 

[KristopheH]

Anyone willing to share a full gallery save?

 

[MangoMeta]

It's more understandable to have this criticism than it was the "why is the main character black" critique earlier in this thread, but the answer is the same. They were written that way.

How dare people want to play a game where the MC is the same color as them! Even more so considering 90% of people who play adult games are white.

 

[drmaddoc47]

How dare people want to play a game where the MC is the same color as them! Even more so considering 90% of people who play adult games are white.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with people wanting it. I completely understand that part. That wasn't the criticism that I was referring to earlier in the thread. That criticism was basically "Why is the PC black when black people don't belong in a space game, but more in NTR games".

 

[drmaddoc47]

Released a few commissions of SI character publicly, figure I'll do the same here:

 

[JueCity]

Released a few commissions of SI character publicly, figure I'll do the same here:
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Just joined this site this evening I don't know if you remember me I spoke to you via email on the 12th Feb you thanked me for the kind words I sent to you over the game it makes a nice change to see someone reply back to feedback that is sent not many people do that so thanks again for replying. I have finished Episode 7 and now I really can't wait to see what's in store for Episode 8 as you said its a big one so I say bring it on

 

[Djoki996]

Ashe, Armin, Nali, and Alexandra were heterosexual, Adam and Samantha were homosexual.

So, I just started, but isn't Asa straight as well? At least, that's what it says in her profile.

 

[drmaddoc47]

So, I just started, but isn't Asa straight as well? At least, that's what it says in her profile.

Asa has a discrepency in her profile (which is discussed in game). She's more bisexual but hiding it.

 

[JueCity]

Just a quick question the scene gallery will there be a chance to download the pictures in the future you know screen cap them to keep

Jinu Nikka is mine I call dibs shes my type of girl

 

[aj1]

Just a quick question the scene gallery will there be a chance to download the pictures in the future you know screen cap them to keep

Jinu Nikka is mine I call dibs shes my type of girl

You mean being able to have the pics without the game? If so you can use programs called unren or rpaextractor. Or download the compressed version and copy the pics, you just need the webp codec installed.