VN Ren'Py STWA: Unbroken [Pt. 7] [STWAdev]

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Quetzzz

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Same here, will need to see what the protect is about.
My theory is, it's about how self-reliant Vi is, or how protective the MC feels about her. I suspect there will be a big event for Vi where this variable determines the outcome, and Vi either becoming reliant on the MC or able to conquer her demons.
 

RoryTate

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Same here, will need to see what the protect is about.
The protect variable could have to do with how far Ines is willing to go to keep Vi safe from what she perceives as an MC who is trying to advantage of innocent girls like Vi. With the addition of the inessubmission and inesselfreliance variables in Mallorca, I can potentially see a path where high inessubmission + high inesdesiretoprotect + low inesselfreliance scores could let the MC (literally) fuck with Ines in a very domineering manner.

It's funny how part 6 made Ines seem almost more vulnerable than Vi, both in terms of relationships and even just overall life experiences. Unlike Vi who has been through many difficult events in her life, Ines really has no defenses to save her from the consequences of her own overblown bravado, especially when it comes to her aggressive flirting with the MC.
 

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I just did a replay of the entire VN to try and refresh my memory about everything that has happened so far. As is the case with these stories that get updates only a few times per year because of the incredible effort required to produce them, it's been a while since I read some of the earlier chapters. Plus, it's often a good idea to recontextualize previous events based on what what we now know. So here's a few thoughts that stood out to me (I don't think there was anything too important...just a few little things that might be hints at stuff to come, or things that were hinted at about stuff we now know):

  • Amrit says that the MC is "barking up the wrong tree" (her exact words) when he expresses an interest in Kana, which really solidifies the idea that Kana and Trinity were lovers, and that Amrit thinks Kana is likely "batting for the other team" in some way.
  • Els' Dad is confused when the MC calls Els a "pacifist", and was likely about to expose that as a lie if Els didn't immediately interrupt him and direct the conversation elsewhere. Of course we now know that violence is something Els enjoys a bit too much, so telling others she is a "pacifist" is likely just her way of hiding this (in her mind) embarrassing and discomfiting side of herself from the world. (Note: I say "discomfiting" only because it's uncomfortable for her in the sense that this part of her personality is related to things she doesn't want to talk about, but violence is obviously something that she still enjoys an awful lot.)
  • The stuff about Els' close friendship with Anastasia while serving together in the military is only mentioned during a single interaction with the MC, so it's a facet of her life that is really easy to overlook and perhaps dismiss as unimportant. Not much about this relationship is really established, except that Anastasia "never made it home" (and so she can be presumed to have died during the war, though that is not confirmed), and that Els thinks enough of her to name the motorbike after her.
  • When comforting Vi about her loss, Els says that her own brother is: "presumably in the same place as yours", which is a bizarre choice of words. This could be a very strong hint that Els suspects that Davis is still alive.
  • What I'm seeing upon re-read is a pattern wherein Els answers almost every question she gets related to her friends/family – or that pertain to sensitive information – like a lawyer who cannot lie. She lets you believe what she wants you to believe, without ever giving a simple "yes" or "no" response that could later be used against her. Her Father confirms Els' brother is dead with the line: "And he paid for it with his life.". But Els in an earlier conversation can only say: "You already know." when asked about whether her brother is alive or not. She's slipperier than a wet breast covered in lube.
  • There's a lot of stuff in the story that the reader assumes has happened, but when you look closely it's not explicitly made clear what really occurred. A lot of this happens with Els (as I mentioned), but the best example of this kind of misdirect is Davis' supposed death when the ferry sinks. Initially it seems certain that he's dead, and all that remains is for Vi to identify his body. However, we are later told that the authorities made a mistake and it wasn't him, but this fact is downplayed and barely mentioned in a quick cutaway scene. Meanwhile everyone in the story just goes on to assume that he is dead (which does make sense narratively "in universe", since no one has much reason to find his body being missing as suspicious...well, I do suspect Els may be wary of this turn of events, but we can only speculate as to why she might be suspicious).
  • So much about how and why Zaina died still remains unclear to the reader. We know a lot about the preamble now, but we still haven't seen the event itself or the immediate aftermath. Did the MC witness her getting killed by Davis? Or did he find her dead and figure out that Davis killed her? Or did the MC suspect Davis, and get a confession from him? And if Davis confessed, was he telling the truth? Or did he lie about Zaina's murder to hide some other secret? The MC says that McNab stopped him from killing Davis, but that's the only reliable piece of information we've gotten so far about how it all went down. I suspect there's a lot more to this event that will later get revealed as the story progresses.
  • It's a bit hard to read his expression, but McNab appears to smile for a moment when Els kisses the MC in Mallorca, which feels kind of nice I must admit...it looks like he's happy to see his two best friends finally get together. It does feel a little wholesome to think that their relationship has his support, considering how close he is to both Els and the MC.
  • Holy perfect girlfriend of your dreams, but does Els ever lay it on thick the morning after she and the MC hook up. I remarked in a previous comment about how Els kissing the MC in front of the group was her throwing down the gauntlet to the rest of the girls in the battle to win the MC's heart, but I didn't really notice that she also makes sure to bring the MC a cup of coffee before drinking some herself (demonstrating what a supportive and considerate partner she'll be), and then she even makes a point of remarking that she is famished because of the previous evening's exertions (complimenting the MC's performance in bed). Maybe I just overlooked how dramatic everything was initially because of the understated and nonchalant way the entire scene plays out, but holy hell Batman! This is taking her naturally competitive nature a bit far. It honestly feels a bit like overkill. So much so that it's beginning to enter a level of over-the-top praise that worries me a little bit.
  • The dev says in the game script that they have coded boolean variables as 1 for true and 2 for false (instead of using 0 for false which is the common standard). This is kind of weird for my programming brain to comprehend, though in the actual game code everything appears to have text saying "False" or "True" rather than numbers anyways, so I don't really get this distinction I guess. But that's not the important part. The real problem here is that there is a comment clearly indicating this convention in the game code! That is completely unacceptable. Real programmers don't comment their code. It was hard to write; it should be hard to read as well! :LOL:
 

Quetzzz

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Amrit says that the MC is "barking up the wrong tree" (her exact words) when he expresses an interest in Kana, which really solidifies the idea that Kana and Trinity were lovers, and that Amrit thinks Kana is likely "batting for the other team" in some way.
I believe Kana herself more or less confirms this. Trin-trin was her trainer, in a more sensual form of wrestling.

Els' Dad is confused when the MC calls Els a "pacifist", and was likely about to expose that as a lie if Els didn't immediately interrupt him and direct the conversation elsewhere. Of course we now know that violence is something Els enjoys a bit too much, so telling others she is a "pacifist" is likely just her way of hiding this (in her mind) embarrassing and discomfiting side of herself from the world. (Note: I say "discomfiting" only because it's uncomfortable for her in the sense that this part of her personality is related to things she doesn't want to talk about, but violence is obviously something that she still enjoys an awful lot.)
Could be true, maybe he revised his opinion of that after she enlisted. In Els' flashback her parents talk about her pacifism before she enlisted.

When comforting Vi about her loss, Els says that her own brother is: "presumably in the same place as yours", which is a bizarre choice of words. This could be a very strong hint that Els suspects that Davis is still alive.
Or that they're both in hell :D

What I'm seeing upon re-read is a pattern wherein Els answers almost every question she gets related to her friends/family – or that pertain to sensitive information – like a lawyer who cannot lie. She lets you believe what she wants you to believe, without ever giving a simple "yes" or "no" response that could later be used against her. Her Father confirms Els' brother is dead with the line: "And he paid for it with his life.". But Els in an earlier conversation can only say: "You already know." when asked about whether her brother is alive or not. She's slipperier than a wet breast covered in lube.
Yeah, noticed that as well. It was one of the things that initially made me weary of her. At the garage with the motorcycle, she's also very coy with how she describes the "heir" thing.

I do suspect Els may be wary of this turn of events, but we can only speculate as to why she might be suspicious).
I also suspect Davis' supposed death is a red herring. But what gave you the impression that Els is suspicious?

I suspect there's a lot more to this event that will later get revealed as the story progresses.
Yeah, this gets brought up a few times. How the MC had a chance to kill Davis for what he did, and both McNab and the MC had their weapons trained on him. And you're right, there's still a lot of nuance. I do suspect that Valentine was too late to save her, and caught up with Davis after the fact.

This is taking her naturally competitive nature a bit far. It honestly feels a bit like overkill. So much so that it's beginning to enter a level of over-the-top praise that worries me a little bit.
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I didn't see that scene, but what you're describing sounds more like a victory lap than throwing down the gauntlet. After all, she plays for keeps, and now owns Valentine.
 
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When does shes manipulate anyone?
Elspeth convinces Viridiana to tell her about he main characters past, and learns that he used to enjoy getting into fights for fun. She also learns that those fights were what caused the main character and Viridiana's brother to become close friends. A short while later, Elspeth sees the main character trying to avoid a fight with two drunks at the beach.

Elspeth is supposed to be a pacifist, so she should be wanting to avoid a fight. Elspeth is supposed to be highly intelligent, so she should be able to avoid the fight. Elpseth has extensive military training and experience, so should be able to easily handle a small drunk. And yet... what happens? Elspeth interjects herself into the confrontation and gets a bloody nose.

There are two possibilities here. One is that Elspeth is the worst written character in the game, one whose actions contradict everything about her established character. The other is that she started the fight intentionally and let herself get hit to garner sympathy with the main character and get closer to him.

When the main character takes Elspeth aside to check her nose and tend to her wounds, she takes her pants off in an obvious attempt to seduce him. It should also be noted that Elspeth had tried to get the main character drunk during during a drinking game earlier that night in which she was only drinking tonic water. So trying to seduce him here and now is not only manipulative, but super skeezy. When you avoid the kiss, she puts her pants back on and leaves (without losing her legs).

You can reasonably conclude that Elspeth intentionally provoked that guy into attacking her, and let him hit her to get closer to the main character. The game has constantly insisted that Elspeth is a super genius and skilled at manipulating people. So surely she could think of a way to talk two drunk guys out of attacking a world famous professional fighter. Or at the very least, not be stupid enough to think that turning into a live action version of the navy seals copypasta would do anything other than get an angry drunk guy to swing at her for insulting him.

She is also portrayed to be a well trained fighter with military experience. So avoiding a predictable punch from a drunk should be reasonably easy for her. And yet she fails to do that. However, she doesn't get her nose broken, just bloody. So she's either lucky, or she rolled with the punch just enough to get a minor injury that would require attention and garner sympathy from the main character.

Elspeth is also supposed to be a pacifist. So her getting into a fight should be seen as unusual. Which it is by the main character. He asks her why she did it, and she says "My friend was in danger, I did what I had to do. My personal view are irrelevant." He thanks her for her help, and she says "we're officially brothers in arms now." And then she leans in for a kiss. While pantsless. Knowing that he's been drinking that evening.

All of that fits perfectly with the idea that she has been trying to create a scenario where she can get closer to the main character by using what she's learned about him from those who truly know and care about him. If this seems like a stretch, you just have to remember that we've already seen her be manipulative on other occasions.

If you try to avoid eavesdropping on Elspeth's first conversation with Viridiana, she will motion you back because she wants you to see how smart and helpful she is. And she gets visibly angry with you if you ruin her plans by interrupting her. She also tries to keep you from getting together with Katie by saying that it would be unprofessional, but it would seem that her rule doesn't apply to Elspeth herself as she constantly throws herself at you. We've seen her "accidentally" leave her purse behind on her trip to the bathroom while we are meeting her father, only to see that she did it on purpose in order to secretly record our private conversation.

Elspeth is manipulative. It's been well established on several occasions.
 
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Els' Dad is confused when the MC calls Els a "pacifist", and was likely about to expose that as a lie if Els didn't immediately interrupt him and direct the conversation elsewhere.
He also says that Elspeth was always his favourite, that his son was not a good person, and that Elspeth always idolized her brother. All three of those things contradict what Elspeth was telling Viridiana during their first conversation. The same conversation where she motions you to eavesdrop on them and then tells Viridiana "I'll tell you a secret just between us girls."

So at least one of them is lying. Most likely Elspeth, since she's got an established history of it.
 

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I just did a replay of the entire VN to try and refresh my memory about everything that has happened so far. As is the case with these stories that get updates only a few times per year because of the incredible effort required to produce them, it's been a while since I read some of the earlier chapters. Plus, it's often a good idea to recontextualize previous events based on what what we now know. So here's a few thoughts that stood out to me (I don't think there was anything too important...just a few little things that might be hints at stuff to come, or things that were hinted at about stuff we now know):

  • Amrit says that the MC is "barking up the wrong tree" (her exact words) when he expresses an interest in Kana, which really solidifies the idea that Kana and Trinity were lovers, and that Amrit thinks Kana is likely "batting for the other team" in some way.
  • Els' Dad is confused when the MC calls Els a "pacifist", and was likely about to expose that as a lie if Els didn't immediately interrupt him and direct the conversation elsewhere. Of course we now know that violence is something Els enjoys a bit too much, so telling others she is a "pacifist" is likely just her way of hiding this (in her mind) embarrassing and discomfiting side of herself from the world. (Note: I say "discomfiting" only because it's uncomfortable for her in the sense that this part of her personality is related to things she doesn't want to talk about, but violence is obviously something that she still enjoys an awful lot.)
  • The stuff about Els' close friendship with Anastasia while serving together in the military is only mentioned during a single interaction with the MC, so it's a facet of her life that is really easy to overlook and perhaps dismiss as unimportant. Not much about this relationship is really established, except that Anastasia "never made it home" (and so she can be presumed to have died during the war, though that is not confirmed), and that Els thinks enough of her to name the motorbike after her.
  • When comforting Vi about her loss, Els says that her own brother is: "presumably in the same place as yours", which is a bizarre choice of words. This could be a very strong hint that Els suspects that Davis is still alive.
  • What I'm seeing upon re-read is a pattern wherein Els answers almost every question she gets related to her friends/family – or that pertain to sensitive information – like a lawyer who cannot lie. She lets you believe what she wants you to believe, without ever giving a simple "yes" or "no" response that could later be used against her. Her Father confirms Els' brother is dead with the line: "And he paid for it with his life.". But Els in an earlier conversation can only say: "You already know." when asked about whether her brother is alive or not. She's slipperier than a wet breast covered in lube.
  • There's a lot of stuff in the story that the reader assumes has happened, but when you look closely it's not explicitly made clear what really occurred. A lot of this happens with Els (as I mentioned), but the best example of this kind of misdirect is Davis' supposed death when the ferry sinks. Initially it seems certain that he's dead, and all that remains is for Vi to identify his body. However, we are later told that the authorities made a mistake and it wasn't him, but this fact is downplayed and barely mentioned in a quick cutaway scene. Meanwhile everyone in the story just goes on to assume that he is dead (which does make sense narratively "in universe", since no one has much reason to find his body being missing as suspicious...well, I do suspect Els may be wary of this turn of events, but we can only speculate as to why she might be suspicious).
  • So much about how and why Zaina died still remains unclear to the reader. We know a lot about the preamble now, but we still haven't seen the event itself or the immediate aftermath. Did the MC witness her getting killed by Davis? Or did he find her dead and figure out that Davis killed her? Or did the MC suspect Davis, and get a confession from him? And if Davis confessed, was he telling the truth? Or did he lie about Zaina's murder to hide some other secret? The MC says that McNab stopped him from killing Davis, but that's the only reliable piece of information we've gotten so far about how it all went down. I suspect there's a lot more to this event that will later get revealed as the story progresses.
  • It's a bit hard to read his expression, but McNab appears to smile for a moment when Els kisses the MC in Mallorca, which feels kind of nice I must admit...it looks like he's happy to see his two best friends finally get together. It does feel a little wholesome to think that their relationship has his support, considering how close he is to both Els and the MC.
  • Holy perfect girlfriend of your dreams, but does Els ever lay it on thick the morning after she and the MC hook up. I remarked in a previous comment about how Els kissing the MC in front of the group was her throwing down the gauntlet to the rest of the girls in the battle to win the MC's heart, but I didn't really notice that she also makes sure to bring the MC a cup of coffee before drinking some herself (demonstrating what a supportive and considerate partner she'll be), and then she even makes a point of remarking that she is famished because of the previous evening's exertions (complimenting the MC's performance in bed). Maybe I just overlooked how dramatic everything was initially because of the understated and nonchalant way the entire scene plays out, but holy hell Batman! This is taking her naturally competitive nature a bit far. It honestly feels a bit like overkill. So much so that it's beginning to enter a level of over-the-top praise that worries me a little bit.
  • The dev says in the game script that they have coded boolean variables as 1 for true and 2 for false (instead of using 0 for false which is the common standard). This is kind of weird for my programming brain to comprehend, though in the actual game code everything appears to have text saying "False" or "True" rather than numbers anyways, so I don't really get this distinction I guess. But that's not the important part. The real problem here is that there is a comment clearly indicating this convention in the game code! That is completely unacceptable. Real programmers don't comment their code. It was hard to write; it should be hard to read as well! :LOL:
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As the song goes, Els is playing a dangerous game. A true mommy spider.

You can't escape her Web. Or better yet don't even wanna try.

This was satisfying to read bro.
 
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Elspeth convinces Viridiana to tell her about he main characters past, and learns that he used to enjoy getting into fights for fun. She also learns that those fights were what caused the main character and Viridiana's brother to become close friends. A short while later, Elspeth sees the main character trying to avoid a fight with two drunks at the beach.

Elspeth is supposed to be a pacifist, so she should be wanting to avoid a fight. Elspeth is supposed to be highly intelligent, so she should be able to avoid the fight. Elpseth has extensive military training and experience, so should be able to easily handle a small drunk. And yet... what happens? Elspeth interjects herself into the confrontation and gets a bloody nose.

There are two possibilities here. One is that Elspeth is the worst written character in the game, one whose actions contradict everything about her established character. The other is that she started the fight intentionally and let herself get hit to garner sympathy with the main character and get closer to him.

When the main character takes Elspeth aside to check her nose and tend to her wounds, she takes her pants off in an obvious attempt to seduce him. It should also be noted that Elspeth had tried to get the main character drunk during during a drinking game earlier that night in which she was only drinking tonic water. So trying to seduce him here and now is not only manipulative, but super skeezy. When you avoid the kiss, she puts her pants back on and leaves (without losing her legs).

You can reasonably conclude that Elspeth intentionally provoked that guy into attacking her, and let him hit her to get closer to the main character. The game has constantly insisted that Elspeth is a super genius and skilled at manipulating people. So surely she could think of a way to talk two drunk guys out of attacking a world famous professional fighter. Or at the very least, not be stupid enough to think that turning into a live action version of the navy seals copypasta would do anything other than get an angry drunk guy to swing at her for insulting him.

She is also portrayed to be a well trained fighter with military experience. So avoiding a predictable punch from a drunk should be reasonably easy for her. And yet she fails to do that. However, she doesn't get her nose broken, just bloody. So she's either lucky, or she rolled with the punch just enough to get a minor injury that would require attention and garner sympathy from the main character.

Elspeth is also supposed to be a pacifist. So her getting into a fight should be seen as unusual. Which it is by the main character. He asks her why she did it, and she says "My friend was in danger, I did what I had to do. My personal view are irrelevant." He thanks her for her help, and she says "we're officially brothers in arms now." And then she leans in for a kiss. While pantsless. Knowing that he's been drinking that evening.

All of that fits perfectly with the idea that she has been trying to create a scenario where she can get closer to the main character by using what she's learned about him from those who truly know and care about him. If this seems like a stretch, you just have to remember that we've already seen her be manipulative on other occasions.

If you try to avoid eavesdropping on Elspeth's first conversation with Viridiana, she will motion you back because she wants you to see how smart and helpful she is. And she gets visibly angry with you if you ruin her plans by interrupting her. She also tries to keep you from getting together with Katie by saying that it would be unprofessional, but it would seem that her rule doesn't apply to Elspeth herself as she constantly throws herself at you. We've seen her "accidentally" leave her purse behind on her trip to the bathroom while we are meeting her father, only to see that she did it on purpose in order to secretly record our private conversation.

Elspeth is manipulative. It's been well established on several occasions.
We talked about this a few pages back but when she leaves MC and her father alone, she accidently forgets her handbag which conveniently had her phone recording the conversation.
 

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The real problem here is that there is a comment clearly indicating this convention in the game code! That is completely unacceptable. Real programmers don't comment their code. It was hard to write; it should be hard to read as well! :LOL:
I FUCKING AGREE!

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RoryTate

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He also says that Elspeth was always his favourite, that his son was not a good person, and that Elspeth always idolized her brother. All three of those things contradict what Elspeth was telling Viridiana during their first conversation. The same conversation where she motions you to eavesdrop on them and then tells Viridiana "I'll tell you a secret just between us girls."

So at least one of them is lying. Most likely Elspeth, since she's got an established history of it.
These conversations fit together fine for me without anyone having to be dishonest in the serious way you are suggesting. There is the relatively minor matter of Els hiding the side of herself that hated her brother from her Father, but that is only a small white lie to maintain family cohesion. I think Els was honest to Vi about both loving and hating her brother, and she very deliberately noted that her brother was not just the sum of all of his bad actions in her mind (just like Davis should not be those things alone to Vi either). So she agreed with her Dad's assessment that her brother "was not a good person". She just went further and said that her brother was more than just those horrible mistakes to her. Her Father only witnessed her mourning the loss of her sibling, because she kept her anger at her brother in check when he passed to not destroy her Dad's memory of a loving, close knit family. And if we believe what she said to Vi, her own heart was indeed torn between experiencing the two conflicting emotions after he died, which would certainly be a difficult thing to manage.

If you try to avoid eavesdropping on Elspeth's first conversation with Viridiana, she will motion you back because she wants you to see how smart and helpful she is.
I think it fits better that she did this because she wants you to understand how much trouble Vi is having in that moment with reconciling her contradictory emotions. Els's primary goal in that conversation seems to be trying to help Vi accept and move on from her loss. And Els's later actions match with this interpretation as well, in how she tell the MC that Vi really needs his support right now, and that she even needs a hug, when Els leaves the two of them alone.

Yes, she does throw in a secretive "I think very highly of him too" comment to entice the MC. But that small bit of seduction does not take away from her attempts to support Vi. Just like Els's brother is more than his selfishness and crimes, and Davis is not just his uncaring treatment of Vi and others' lives, so too is Els herself a complicated mix of behaviours: her seemingly selfish need to have the MC's attention and win him like some vain trophy, alongside what I see as a genuine and laudable desire to help others, combined with a strong work ethic and a passion for self-improvement and challenging oneself. She has many great traits that make her a fun – albeit frustrating at times – character to enjoy in the story.
 
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There is the relatively minor matter of Els hiding the side of herself that hated her brother from her Father, but that is only a small white lie to maintain family cohesion.
So you think she was lying to her father? I was under the impression that she was lying to Viridiana and made up the story about hating her brother because she wanted to seem relatable to her. Either way, going from hating someone to idolizing someone is a pretty big swing. Perhaps it could be explained away later if she initially idolized him and then later hated him after he got worse over time.

Yes, she does throw in a secretive "I think very highly of him too" comment to entice the MC. But that small bit of seduction does not take away from her attempts to support Vi.
My main objection there was not with her flirting with the main character, but rather with her assuring Viridiana that what they were saying was between the two of them when it very clearly wasn't. Elspeth is lying to Viri and that shows a level of disrespect for her, and makes her attempts to help her seem insincere. This then combines with her flirting with the main character to strongly suggest that she isn't trying to support Vi, but rather is using her as a way to get to the main character.
 
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RoryTate

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I also suspect Davis' supposed death is a red herring. But what gave you the impression that Els is suspicious?
Why do I think Els has suspicions that Davis may be alive? Well, that is not a simple question to answer. But to try and keep it short, her deliberate use of the word "presumably" when she speaks of Davis's death is a clear hint of this. If she thought Davis was dead, she would just say: "My brother is gone too" or something like that. Her response to Vi would be simple. Instead she says: "[He's]...presumably in the same place as yours". That's too complex of wording to be taken at face value.

I'll put the longer version of my answer in a spoiler tag, because there are a shit-ton of thoughts I had about this conundrum over the course of my replay, and because I also go into considerations about "meta" narrative stuff, which I know can be annoying to read.

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Perhaps it could be explained away later if she initially idolized him and then later hated him after he got worse over time.
I do believe this is the case. From my reading, Els truly cared about her brother, and only later grew to hate him. After he is gone, we see Els taking care of his motorbike, which I believe demonstrates her fondness for him, since maintaining it is a way of honouring his memory. She also shoulders the family responsibility of serving the crown in his stead, since her brother – as the first-born son – failed so publicly at that duty. We can see this act of signing up for military duty as Els's attempt to remove the dishonour that he brought on the Adair name, and not letting his public failing continue to stain his memory. And I suspect her military service needed to be exemplary not for her own ego's sake (though she does have one), but just so no one would ever possibly remember his failure. I honestly get the feeling Els had her own dreams and ambitions that she is now resentful over having to give up because of her brother and her family. On my replay, I took special note of the way she downplays the idea that she could have been an Olympian, which McNab told the MC was something she used to be quite proud of telling people. Now his reminder of this seems to upset her, which reveals a lot about her I think.

Of course, I could be wrong, but these are my observations about the story thus far. Like I've said, we'll have to see what gets revealed later on to fully judge.
 

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I think you're raising some good food for thoughs about Els. Imo she likes the MC but due to her own past she has some kind of ptsd too. In her case she acts like if she was still at war, super controlling and paranoid. Digging into the MC past while she's so secretive about her own, that's all kinds of fucked up thing to do to your loved ones.
 

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Sneak Peek 10/08/2023

Hot off the GPU, literally just made, here comes our first renders of the update. A glimpse of happier times, and a glimpse of some old friends. When you get old like me those fun nights just chilling with your friends in the mountains get more and more nostalgic every day. Now if you'll excuse me I need to go replace the batteries in my hearing aide.

Anyway that's it today. Next Sunday we'll be having an art stream. Spoilers will abound.
 

RoryTate

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Digging into the MC past while she's so secretive about her own, that's all kinds of fucked up thing to do to your loved ones.
It is indeed a major betrayal of trust, if Els is using her security clearance and data access as a sort of quasi-Facebook to get juicy inside info on the MC's private interests and affairs. However, if she suspects that there is something more sinister happening, then her intentions could turn out to be less selfish than it might appear at first glance. My guess is that it's the latter, but we'll have to be patient and see what happens next.

Part of my wait-and-see attitude here is also a result of the MC's chill response to learning about the activity happening around his various records. IIRC, he just thanked Alina for the heads up, and asked her to let him know if she learned anything else. Nothing more. He didn't seem at all bothered by what people might find there, likely because he is already familiar with dealing with his negative public perception as a philanderer, so he isn't at all concerned with what people might think of him because of his military service or his brushes with law enforcement. As a result, that invasion of privacy means less to me than it probably would otherwise.
 

TimHawk

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It is indeed a major betrayal of trust, if Els is using her security clearance and data access as a sort of quasi-Facebook to get juicy inside info on the MC's private interests and affairs. However, if she suspects that there is something more sinister happening, then her intentions could turn out to be less selfish than it might appear at first glance. My guess is that it's the latter, but we'll have to be patient and see what happens next.

Part of my wait-and-see attitude here is also a result of the MC's chill response to learning about the activity happening around his various records. IIRC, he just thanked Alina for the heads up, and asked her to let him know if she learned anything else. Nothing more. He didn't seem at all bothered by what people might find there, likely because he is already familiar with dealing with his negative public perception as a philanderer, so he isn't at all concerned with what people might think of him because of his military service or his brushes with law enforcement. As a result, that invasion of privacy means less to me than it probably would otherwise.
Els used her contacts within the british military intelligence community to have them access the MC's military records, in the hope of finding out what trauma he has suffered. The fact that it triggered an CIA response should be proof enough, that Els didn't go for any public data or files, but military, so she can't have had any altruistic concerns. She asked the MC, he didn't tell her, so she did it behind his back. Major betrayel of trust seems appropiate, no if's needed.

The reason the MC isn't concerned is because he knows that there is no way to get the information she is after that way, even without having a friend in the CIA. People would find either nothing or something that is entirely fabricated other than basic data, like the MC's birthday, which Els suddenly knows.

People, even friends, don't get to decide what Els knows or doesn't know, only she does. And I completely agree with what was said before, it's also the only reason why she interacts with Vi, she's just another source of information.
 
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