TheUnsaid

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I don't want to sound rude or whatever, why don't you tell them this? I think it's better to put this out there and actually give them some sort of considerations (or reconsiderations) about what will the future holds for them. Just sayin'. Put this in an e-mail or something.

Writing a long-ass paragraph like this without FOW noticing ain't gonna help, y'know?
I told them similar things on discord. Got laughed out of the room by people blinded by the promise of the game they couldn't see the reality.
Going back and reading it, it's honestly kind of sad how obvious it was: (it goes on for a while, but all the posts on 9/10/2020 should basically explore how fans thought at that time)

"Do the literal opposite of every design decision in a ground up redevelepment with the money and time you don't have" would be a pretty short email.

As it sits my review review goes over the even larger core failings that made this game DoA and unsalvagable from a technical level. It just has to be redone. Everything. Leaves you almost shellshocked the game saw the light of day in this state. Even their outsourced bigg biznezz coder guys screwed the pooch here with the decision to liverender literally everything in a midlevel PC requiring 17gig monstrosity version of what is basically a phonegame.
Seems like your idea of Subverse is different from their idea of Subverse.

The fact that you wouldn't fuck a dog-fucker is absolute proof of that. It literally makes no sense why you'd have other expectations of Subverse knowing who made it. Obviously all other girls are gonna be dog-fuckers. These characters aren't "heroines." StudioFOW only does sluts and emotionally broken women.

I'll admit that their branding using the term waifu to try and get that normie appeal is cringe knowing who they are. Adding dating-sim elements where the player has to talk and date the girls is also one of the stupidest ideas they could have knowing what kind of tone they were aiming for. One of the lead creatives was in-fact AGAINST adding a dating-sim type element to the game.
 
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Seems like your idea of Subverse is different from their idea of Subverse.

The fact that you wouldn't fuck a dog-fucker is absolute proof of that. It literally makes no sense why you'd have other expectations of Subverse knowing who made it. Obviously all other girls are gonna be dog-fuckers. These characters aren't "heroines." StudioFOW only does sluts and emotionally broken women.

I'll admit that their branding using the term waifu to try and get that normie appeal is cringe knowing who they are. Adding dating-sim elements where the player has to talk and date the girls is also one of the stupidest ideas they could have knowing what kind of tone they were aiming for. One of the lead creatives was in-fact AGAINST adding a dating-sim type element to the game.
Thats going into the fundamental scope problems and Subverse not knowing what it is. They didn't commit to beast or normie appeal. Their "lighter tone" nonsense may just be due to censor concerns of Gofundme and Steam, but they made the marketing push for this to be a waifu collector with a MassEffect-DragonAge style relationsim companion system built around the combat loop.

A "lead creative" being against the basic premise a companion collector game must be relationsim focused to succeed is wew/lad retarded. Always knew it would end like this, but those are some day0 redflags they had no idea what the fuck they were doing, pitching, or sellling. Ironic at the end they have a literal "date mechanic" in a game with no relationsim about watching the girls screw monsters on your bed.

What really kills me is mantic bestiality content is ridiculously tame. Incredebly boring, even moreso than the vanilla content. The one with the attack called red rocket doesn't even have a red rocket. Every doggo-reptile dong is just a boring mammalian cylinder. No beast scene but the big anthro guy even shows un-obfuscated penetration.
Where were the creatives asking the real questions like
>why isn't the protagonist a "mantic"/alien with a giant crazy penis
when they started



Crashing your characterization and player-girl interest with the "everyone is SLUTS who fuck haha penis in vagina guys, isn't it so cool and liberated to watch them screw Mantics? Booba!" nonpersonalities to be able to accommodate player and monster CGs in the same "narrative" (by robbing all player agency) is a core design failing and main reason the "Mass effect of porn games" comes off as nothing more than a Visual Novel with some stuttery prerendered cutscenes covering loadcells.

They could have gone dark humor in tone under the radar of censorship concerns with some actual thought put into narrative design. They could have had relationsim, trainer, and master-slave elements framing archetypal girl personalities while still accommodating narratively justified, true optional and player directed, bestiality.
For guys who made a hustle out of nonconsensual monster X videogamegirl movies they sure didn't put any effort into justifying the content of suckverse. Most of this site and this "industry" work tirelessly to hoop jump how their coercive rapegame mechanics are in fact super consensual to keep things squared with payment processors and crowdfunding, or actually go in on writing real characters with believable characterization (for a porngame) to justify their content progression.
The fact the "AAA porngame" with the markets equivalent of a starcitizen warchest put all it's eggs on "the girls are SLUTS" for literally every character, and some backers are defending it, is just comical.
You get what you deserve at a certain point.
 
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CourierNPC

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I told them similar things on discord. Got laughed out of the room by people blinded by the promise of the game they couldn't see the reality.
Going back and reading it, it's honestly kind of sad how obvious it was: (it goes on for a while, but all the posts on 9/10/2020 should basically explore how fans thought at that time)
How was this particular channel doing nowadays, now that most of the premises are underdelivered by FOW -- or at least not in accordance with what people expected? The ratio in which people are getting pissed and the other defending the game like a knight in shining armor?
 

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They could have gone dark humor in tone under the radar of censorship concerns with some actual thought put into the narrative design.
Isn't FOW's writing a bit to the sub-par side (sometimes relying on polls to include a random raffle winner to help them), for most of the time? Correct me if I'm wrong.
 

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Main issue of this project is that it missed it platform, if it was mobile game there wouldn't be so much bitching about it state. On PC there are more core gamers that prefer to actually play a game, mixed with casual players. On other hand on mobile there are only few hardcore players, with less expectation.

Only problem is, no one would support mobile game.
 
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I had no judgements while it was in development, just knew they had bullet-hell and "tactical-combat" and have scenes akin to the likes of Wild-Life. With its release, it sits more in line with Akaburs way of a porn game, essential a VN. That would have been the easiest and cost effective route. Guess this went the way that Cyberpunk did.

It feels like most of that two year time was made animating the pre-rendered custscenes. A character would take a month tops with rig and all. Not sure if there were clear cut roles within studiofow, like 3d generalist just animate and model while coders code.

Also, can anyone care to enlighten me on why the massive shit-storm of NTR?
 

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can anyone care to enlighten me on why the massive shit-storm of NTR?
Some guy thought that watching your waifu having a go with beasts while you're watching it is considered an NTR, then the thread's becoming a warzone.

Or so I've heard. CMIIW by the way.
 

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Also, can anyone care to enlighten me on why the massive shit-storm of NTR?
The same reason the shit-storm happens in any other thread on this side: The MC isn't the only one having sex, so it's naturally NTR. Then some people bring up that the MC isn't in any relationship with any of the girls. Then the first group calls the second one "cucks" and from there an endless stream of shit starts.
 
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Joshua Tree

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Think it's funny with all the people doing the "they don't know how to make a game, and doing it all wrong".. Maybe you should band together, do a kickstarter and create a game, to prove them wrong and show them how to do it? Talk is cheap after all.

Tbh, all it boils down to is if you like something or not, goes for every game, vn, whatever you find on this site or anywhere else out there. Creators of games, and whatever else media, they don't really create it based on your expectations. They want to reach a broad audience and as many people as possible.
 

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Think it's funny with all the people doing the "they don't know how to make a game, and doing it all wrong".. Maybe you should band together, do a kickstarter and create a game, to prove them wrong and show them how to do it? Talk is cheap after all.

Tbh, all it boils down to is if you like something or not, goes for every game, vn, whatever you find on this site or anywhere else out there. Creators of games, and whatever else media, they don't really create it based on your expectations. They want to reach a broad audience and as many people as possible.
I think it's funny that unless someone creates a game they are barred from offering criticism.
 

Joshua Tree

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I think it's funny that unless someone creates a game they are barred from offering criticism.
No one is barred from criticism... Everyone can do it... write a review, whatever... But what some people do go far beyond that. Once you take on the "I know better attitude"... then talk is cheap...

They do hire new people to their dev team though. Maybe people should offer their expertise :ROFLMAO:
 
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Joshua Tree

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Fair enough.
Creating an adult game focused on mobile would be braindead since the getgo. You would have no way to publish it to the masses, or monetize it. You could argue patreon/subscribestar but I don't really see that would go down well as a profitable venture.
 
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Izalith

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Isn't FOW's writing a bit to the sub-par side (sometimes relying on polls to include a random raffle winner to help them), for most of the time? Correct me if I'm wrong.
Correct, FOW's writing was always terrible. The shorts jump from place to place.
 

Joshua Tree

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Correct, FOW's writing was always terrible. The shorts jump from place to place.
So what does that tell about all the creators that make use of polls and votes related to their content? They all terrible, or are they doing a "fan service" to try please their followers?

Personally I think creators who does such for games push people away rather than attract.
 

Izalith

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So what does that tell about all the creators that make use of polls and votes related to their content? They all terrible, or are they doing a "fan service" to try please their followers?

Personally I think creators who does such for games push people away rather than attract.
I don't have any opinion on voting.
I'm just remarking that FOW's storywriting was never one of their strong points.
This was tolerated as their sex scenes were generally good.
 
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