Unreal Engine Subverse [v0.9] [Studio Fow]

[NBV]

Lol. There was an NTR mantic. Imagine if that stayed XD

Damn the base game's design was nasty.

This is FOW's first game right. They've got a lot of pressure from making all that money and people usually underestimate game design.

I don't feel sorry for them, but I wonder how settled the game is on a core design level.

Man I appreciate your posts. So much information.

Despite that scene clearly describing an NTR situation, FOW's staff argued the game wasn't going to have NTR. A big part of it's early controversy was due to weird things like this. I believe people would be less disappointed and critical about things if they simply leveled with us and stopped lying/dodging things. Instead of addressing the whole chodestool and bulgetto scenes being scrapped, they just deleted it from their steam page and pretend it was never there. This makes it easy for them to act as though some of the critic are based on things they never told us we'd see.

 

[kasata]

Despite that scene clearly describing an NTR situation, FOW's staff argued the game wasn't going to have NTR. A big part of it's early controversy was due to weird things like this. I believe people would be less disappointed and critical about things if they simply leveled with us and stopped lying/dodging things. Instead of addressing the whole chodestool and bulgetto scenes being scrapped, they just deleted it from their steam page and pretend it was never there. This makes it easy for them to act as though some of the critic are based on things they never told us we'd see.

This discussion was had before, but this game doesn't have ntr, and it's the devs who decide what it is, not randoms on the internet, cause I've seen way too many people label a game as having "ntr" just because another guy was talking to a girl other than the MC or "worse", the girl talking about past bf's.

The thing is, the MC in this game, doesn't really care about pursuing anything but sex with the girls, and keeping them on a leash just because MC had sex with them that one time gives off some major I vibes, when everyone in this game is more or less a slut and they just want sex, I mean this next heroine we unlock is a porn-star...way too many games on this platform get the ntr tag, because apparently women in a game can't sleep with anyone but the MC, regardless of context.

 

[NBV]

This discussion was had before, but this game doesn't have ntr, and it's the devs who decide what it is, not randoms on the internet, cause I've seen way too many people label a game as having "ntr" just because another guy was talking to a girl other than the MC or "worse", the girl talking about past bf's.

The thing is, the MC in this game, doesn't really care about pursuing anything but sex with the girls, and keeping them on a leash just because MC had sex with them that one time gives off some major I vibes, when everyone in this game is more or less a slut and they just want sex, I mean this next heroine we unlock is a porn-star...way too many games on this platform get the ntr tag, because apparently women in a game can't sleep with anyone but the MC, regardless of context.

I never claimed it had NTR. What I said is that the description of scenes like the one mentioned is what led to spark up that NTR controversy to begin with. You don't need to explain to me how the MC works, I already know. We could have a legitimate conversation about how some situations in the game could be considered NTR, despite what Fow themselves claimed, but that's pointless anyway.

I was pointing out scenes they described we'd see and then scrapped ideas like them without a word. They could have tempered the disappointment by not being so radio silent on these things during the 2 years the game was in development, and when they decided to go a different route than what they had teased to it's backers. Then again, we could have found out about this months before they started charging people for EA, had they not went back on their promise to allow some of their backers an early demo test.

 

[Gwedelino]

Nope, it should be released on the 25th October assuming there isn't last minute delays

Please don't curse all of us waiting.

 

[kasata]

I never claimed it had NTR. What I said is that the description of scenes like the one mentioned is what led to spark up that NTR controversy to begin with. You don't need to explain to me how the MC works, I already know. We could have a legitimate conversation about how some situations in the game could be considered NTR, despite what Fow themselves claimed, but that's pointless anyway.

I was pointing out scenes they described we'd see and then scrapped ideas like them without a word. They could have tempered the disappointment by not being so radio silent on these things during the 2 years the game was in development, and when they decided to go a different route than what they had teased to it's backers. Then again, we could have found out about this months before they started charging people for EA, had they not went back on their promise to allow some of their backers an early demo test.

Aha..

 

[Ruination Games]

That's why I said in an earlier post that calling them wifus was a bit of a mistake on FOW's part, especially since if you look at what their relationship is they are more like friends with benefits. If the MC can fuck any girl he wants then the girls should be allowed to do the same.

 

[Gwedelino]

That's why I said in an earlier post that calling them wifus was a bit of a mistake on FOW's part, especially since if you look at what their relationship is they are more like friends with benefits. If the MC can fuck any girl he wants then the girls should be allowed to do the same.

To be honest, knowing Studio Fow they would certainly prefer to brand their girls as "Cumdump" than "Waifus", but I seriously doubt that it would go through Kickstarter.

 

[Yuriski]

That's why I said in an earlier post that calling them wifus was a bit of a mistake on FOW's part, especially since if you look at what their relationship is they are more like friends with benefits. If the MC can fuck any girl he wants then the girls should be allowed to do the same.

Don't even try with this argument. Seriously, I have tried to bring that up for years in all kinds of games, but people always flip their shit if they aren't the only one allowed to sleep around.

 

[Grand Koala]

why am i feeling this conversation has gotten more reasonable? anyway, imma buy it when it comes to gog. its not a very good game or porn game atm, but i think its still sorta fun. and if this project turns out to be commercially viable, maybe the next one who tries their luck with a AA western porn game (or future fow) will make a REAL hit.

 

[Toxic.S.Kamasami]

I've heard people saying that they are going to update the sex scenes later on... I'm honestly just interested in the robot girl

ngl , demi apex (robot girl) literally have a good personality lol , btw I dont get it , if she have a vagina as a robot , then why the hell she cant takes off her bunny-girl-maid-like outfit to show off her breasts lol , it's pretty bruh if that outfit is one of her body parts...

 

[RuberFF]

ngl , demi apex (robot girl) literally have a good personality lol , btw I dont get it , if she have vagina as a robot , then why the hell she cant takes off her bunny-girl-maid-like outfit to show off her breasts lol , it's pretty bruh if that outfit is one of her body part...

Maybe she doesn't have nipples and that bunny outfit it's literally her skin?

 

[Toxic.S.Kamasami]

Maybe she doesn't have nipples and that bunny outfit it's literally her skin?

hmmm but as a robot her body parts is change-able right , btw it's seem like that's her skin already , sad , best waifu in this game IMO

 

[Readerf2b]

Don't even try with this argument. Seriously, I have tried to bring that up for years in all kinds of games, but people always flip their shit if they aren't the only one allowed to sleep around.

What were you expecting? These games are made for socially unadapted, insecure people who like to project themselfs onto inadequatly popular bland mc. They fill cucked by pixels on screen, for gods sake.

 

[Gwedelino]

hmmm but as a robot her body parts is change-able right , btw it's seem like that's her skin already , sad , best waifu in this game IMO

One thing that didn't receive any serious criticism is the female characters cast, or at least I didn't see any drama about that.

Can't deny that it's a pretty nice success.

 

[TheUnsaid]

Don't even try with this argument. Seriously, I have tried to bring that up for years in all kinds of games, but people always flip their shit if they aren't the only one allowed to sleep around.

Why are you making this sound like it's unreasonable XD
It's porn. It's a fantasy.

Guys generally don't have a problem reading harem manga, and generally don't like reverse harems.
Girls generally don't have a problem reading reverse harem, and generally don't like harems.

Is it fair that guys want to sleep with multiple women but don't want those multiple women to sleep around? Nope. But who cares it's the fantasy.
Women can also have their fantasy of sleeping around with multiple men who only sleep with them.

What were you expecting? These games are made for socially unadapted, insecure people who like to project themselfs onto inadequatly popular bland mc. They fill cucked by pixels on screen, for gods sake.

What kind of take is this?

Isn't media designed to make you feel things?
Isn't it alright to feel angry when Eren's mom gets eaten in front of him, and he hates the Titans strongly enough to kill them? (Lol getting angry with pixels.)
Isn't it alright to feel happy when Kuroko's team wins the basketball tournament they practiced hard for hundreds of chapters? (Lol feeling motivated and happy with pixels.)
Isn't it alright to feel disgusted seeing a woman's head get ripped off and the perpetrator literally stuffing his dick in the hole where the head used to be?
(Lol feeling disgusted by pixels.)

It's even worse in Subverse considering how they set up the captain to be the player avatar.

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Or wait... Are you like one of those aromantic people on the LGBTQIA+ spectrum? Like you don't get emotionally attached to people you have sex with, and have no possessive sense so you're just fine with them fucking around?

One thing that didn't receive any serious criticism is the female characters cast, or at least I didn't see any drama about that.

Can't deny that it's a pretty nice success.

A lot of people have criticized them.
They're just in the minority.

The voice talent for the characters did a really good job, and the girls fit the tone of the world.

Personally, I'm bland on them. Like... if they existed in real life and were right next to me, I wouldn't want to fuck em cause... well tons of reasons. But they have strong personalities and are designed well.

 

[Ruination Games]

Why are you making this sound like it's unreasonable XD
It's porn. It's a fantasy.

Guys generally don't have a problem reading harem manga, and generally don't like reverse harems.
Girls generally don't have a problem reading reverse harem, and generally don't like harems.

Is it fair that guys want to sleep with multiple women but don't want those multiple women to sleep around? Nope. But who cares it's the fantasy.

I mean if the girl your character is banging goes around banging someone else then who cares right? it's fantasy, so your claim works either way really.

Isn't media designed to make you feel things?
Isn't it alright to feel angry when Eren's mom gets eaten in front of him, and he hates the Titans strongly enough to kill them? (Lol getting angry with pixels.)
Isn't it alright to feel happy when Kuroko's team wins the basketball tournament they practiced hard for hundreds of chapters? (Lol feeling motivated and happy with pixels.)
Isn't it alright to feel disgusted seeing a woman's head get ripped off and the perpetrator literally stuffing his dick in the hole where the head used to be?
(Lol feeling disgusted by pixels.)

You might be mixing up feelings of empathy towards a character with the feelings of possessiveness some individuals have with fictional characters, I think you are taking what Readerf2b said a bit out of context since I am assuming he is talking about porn games and not fuzzy feel what your character is feeling sort of stories. Imagine playing something like Taimanin Yukikaze and getting angry that Yukikaze is being fucked by others that aren't Tatsurou I mean come on the entire point of the franchise is corruption.

Anyone is free to dislike NTR since it is a genre that some might not like (especially if it ends up hitting a bit close to home for some) but having some individuals raging over it like it's the end of the world is in my humble opinion rather ridiculous.

That's why there are genre's so they should go for what caters to them, for example you mentioned guro and it's a genre I hate so I avoid it but I don't get angry at those it's aimed at and it's the same for something like scat. I play a lot of Black Lilith games and there's scat scenes in a few of them, when those scenes pop up I just hold down the ctrl button and fast forward through them. I don't get angry that they might pop up in their VNs, I just don't read through those scenes or if it's something that focuses mostly on that then I just don't play it at all.

 

[TheUnsaid]

Just a heads up for the future. If you want to quote someone, just highlight the text, and the world reply should come up.

I mean if the girl your character is banging goes around banging someone else then who cares right? it's fantasy, so your claim works either way really.

Agreed. This is why I mentioned reverse harems as well.

But isn't that where expectations come in? Do you think a game or anime cover that has 1 guy and multiple women on it would be reverse harem or sexually promiscuous girls?

BTW, I'm not saying it's wrong for them to make a work where the girls sleep around. Developers have the prerogative to make anything they want.
I'm just saying in general... it's fantasy. Guys wanting to sleep around while wanting exclusive girls isn't unreasonable, and is honestly the standard for stories with a male lead and multiple romantic interests in adult works.

You might be mixing up feelings of empathy towards a character with the feelings of possessiveness some individuals have with fictional characters, I think you are taking what Readerf2b said a bit out of context since I am assuming he is talking about porn games and not fuzzy feel what your character is feeling sort of stories. Imagine playing something like Taimanin Yukikaze and getting angry that Yukikaze is being fucked by others that aren't Tatsurou I mean come on the entire point of the franchise is corruption.

Wait... Isn't Taimanin Yukikaze tagged NTR?

All I said is that media is designed to make you feel things.
Where is your statement coming from, from what I said?
If you're fine with NTR than that's fine. But like... the creators are designing their works to get you to feel NTR. It's media. It's trying to make you feel things.

Anyone is free to dislike NTR since it is a genre that some might not like (especially if it ends up hitting a bit close to home for some) but having some individuals raging over it like it's the end of the world is in my humble opinion rather ridiculous.

I mean, I don't disagree. But calling NTR, NTR isn't raging right? What I saw was a discussion about whether it was NTR or not.

I don't even think the game is NTR as it is right now, and no one's complained about the game being NTR for a while. Captain is not in a relationship with anyone. Everyone just sleeps around. When the game was in the prime of its discussions there were a lot of ragers, and yeah, I'm gonna agree they were pretty cringe.

That's why there are genre's so they should go for what caters to them, for example you mentioned guro

OK, plz remember who I was replying to and what he said ok XD

They fill cucked by pixels on screen, for gods sake.

And all I said can be boiled down to media is designed to make you feel things.
You're reading way too hard into this. There is no criticism going on here.

 

[Readerf2b]

Isn't media designed to make you feel things?

Yes, but not just by projecting yourself onto protagonist. That's actually very low quality of storytelling, to make protagonist easy to self insert building emotional link between dummy and reader. The story suppose to make you feel, not your attachment to protagonist.

Also, those ballistic anti-NTR people don't like cheating as a concept in game? No, they dont like feeling cucked. They are projecting themselves onto protagonist so hard, like they hate their own existence or something.

 

[TheUnsaid]

Yes, but not just by projecting yourself onto protagonist. That's actually very low quality of storytelling, to make protagonist easy to self insert building emotional link between dummy and reader. The story suppose to make you feel, not your attachment to protagonist.

Also, those ballistic anti-NTR people don't like cheating as a concept in game? No, they dont like feeling cucked. They are projecting themselves onto protagonist so hard, like they hate their own existence or something.

When did self-insert become such a derogatory term?

You're playing a game.
You as the captain, are choosing who to talk to in the date segments.
You as the captain, are making decisions on where the Mary Celeste will go.
You as the captain, are the one making the ship move in the space arcade sections.
You as the captain, are the one choosing who gets deployed in the grid-based combat sections.

Obviously people who are put in the captain's shoes will feel like the captain.
Obviously people who feel like the captain will want that character to embody a little bit of them. So yeah, if the girls they choose to fuck go fuck other people, they'll feel sour. Is this really hard to understand? The way they expressed themselves is dumb I agree but where is the empathy for them?

Obviously their reaction and rage and calling it NTR and being spaz's is no good. It's not that it's NTR. They were just too embarrassed or dumb to say they want exclusive girls.

Hate their own existence?
Bro what?

NTR games are literally designed like this btw. They do their best to make it so the player feels like the male protagonist and then... have the girls sleep with other guys, because it wouldn't work if the players couldn't feel like the male protagonist but could feel like other characters. The difference is that the girls who sleep around are stolen. The protagonist never gets another chance at them and he can only watch and masturbate so technically... Subverse is not NTR. It's just slutty girls.

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EDIT: Also going to add.

It is normal to go through the highs and lows of fictional characters.
If a fictional character dies, it's ok to feel sad. Media is designed to make you feel things
If a fictional character succeeds in an otherwise hopeless situation, it's ok to feel proud and hype. Media is designed to make you feel things.
If a fictional character you choose to fuck then goes and fucks someone else, it's ok to feel sour. Media is designed to make you feel things.

Like... I get it right. You have a tolerance. Watched a ton of porn, and don't really emotionally attach yourself to any events that happen. But come on. Other people are. Their feelings are valid too even if they aren't expressing themselves correctly

 

[Ruination Games]

Just a heads up for the future. If you want to quote someone, just highlight the text, and the world reply should come up.

oohhh, thanks I didn't know. I kept right clicking to see if anything popped up

Wait... Isn't Taimanin Yukikaze tagged NTR?

It is and in the case of Subverse they mentioned the situation where The Captain could walk in on a girl banging a xeno, I might of worded it wrong but my intention was to tie the convo into what happened during Subverse's kickstarter — I am somewhat half asleep so I apologize for that

You're reading way too hard into this. There is no criticism going on here.

I just like discussing different viewpoints and topics like these