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How many of them don't rely on DAZ or Honey Select assets, though? I think that's one of the things he was getting at. That we need more games of decent quality that are made from ground up and not totally build upon something else.
Mostly because daz/hs is for one dude product with low chances of making it profitable.
And they didn't outdo the industry. Like, half the artists in blener make much better looking content.
 
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PayneToTheMax

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To have games of higher quality you need to put your money on the line, employ a lot of people what can be hit or miss, waste a lot of time for production and all of that for audience that isn't comfortable with spending money for porn or openly say they consider spending money on porn as stupid. Yes, Asia is different.

As I said years ago I was never interested in Studio FOWs work, their preferred fetishes never resonated with me. I backed them on KS because even if I wasn't interested in the game at all I thought they will open a gate for more ambitious western projects that will try to invest more into quality seeing the success of Subverse.

Studio FOW however betrayed us all, when they realized they can't control comments on KS they stopped updating there and moved to Steam and discord when they started massive banning. People who made the game a reality became their enemies. What was supposed to be a precursor to more advanced porn games became a PR and quality disaster that if anything will discourage others from attempting something like this again, all because of FOWs greed and ego.
I mean, it still doesn't change that it's a relatively high quality game build relatively from ground up. What they've done during the development on the side notwithstanding, it'll be how well its gonna sell that will decide success or failure. Because from where I'm standing, how can anyone have been surprised how they acted behind the scenes. They've always been fucking cunts even back when they were still making videos.
 
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No, not Fow-chan either as promised, there are only 9 scenes and they are only for the loyalty missions.
That is incredibly dissapoinitng, here i was ready to smash all that hate out of Kassidora... it is what it is, still good game, just very fkn stupid
 
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Not possible. Voice actress are SFW.
Studio Fow made both impossible to lewd because they hired SFW voice actress for both rolls.

This was really a dumb decisions.
Like many decisions they made in the development.
So let me get this straight Choom... they made a high budget porn game, made 2 really hot female characters that are crucial for the story, and hired 2 actresses that WANT to work in the porn game, but dont wanna moan and make sexy noises...

Bloody hell thats the new stage of concentraded autism
 

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So let me get this straight Choom... they made a high budget porn game, made 2 really hot female characters that are crucial for the story, and hired 2 actresses that WANT to work in the porn game, but dont wanna moan and make sexy noises...

Bloody hell thats the new stage of concentraded autism
Yes, I even go banned from the discord server when I was criticized this and giving other suggestions.
They made so many dumb decisions.
 

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Mostly because daz/hs is for one dude product with low chances of making it profitable.
And they didn't outdo the industry. Like, half the artists in blener make much better looking content.
I don't doubt that they do. But I doubt they'd make anything better than FOW if they'd also decided to make a game. Good animator =/= good game designer. And even then, many of the good artists also just do loops. Take Lazyprocrastinator for instance (since he was mentioned yesterday). He doesn't really do anything different than Pandora videos, has a very huge POV focus and rarely if ever has something like a money shot in them. So I dunno if they're 'really' better.
 

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Yes, I even go banned from the discord server when I was criticized this and giving other suggestions.
They made so many dumb decisions.
Now i actually feel bad for giving those Corpo mfs my money... Adding futa shit is a must but making porn scenes of our attractive characters...Is bad??
 
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I don't doubt that they do. But I doubt they'd make anything better than FOW if they'd also decided to make a game. Good animator =/= good game designer. And even then, many of the good artists also just do loops. Take Lazyprocrastinator for instance (since he was mentioned yesterday). He doesn't really do anything different than Pandora videos, has a very huge POV focus and rarely if ever has something like a money shot in them. So I dunno if they're 'really' better.
Exactly. But that only mean that fow failed. They promised a new quality level for porn games, but they hardly did anything much better than other dudes, also failing in porn implementation regard.
I can't believe they decided to have pandora as a main porn mechanic and no one among team told them thats not how you make that.
 

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I mean, it still doesn't change that it's a relatively high quality game build relatively from ground up. What they've done during the development on the side notwithstanding, it'll be how well its gonna sell that will decide success or failure. Because from where I'm standing, how can anyone have been surprised how they acted behind the scenes. They've always been fucking cunts even back when they were still making videos.
Does it really matter if it's high quality if it's bad? Starfield, Veilguard, Outlaws are also of high quality. About how it sold - not a lot of "recent" reviews, but massive money from KS and decent sales from EA I would say. I understand that being a cunt is their personality, but being a cunt to people funding them is a bad business strategy in my opinion. I think they will not attempt another game after Subverse, if they decide to go to KS again I doubt they will get 10% of what they got for Subverse.

Exactly. But that only mean that fow failed. They promised a new quality level for porn games, but they hardly did anything much better than other dudes, also failing in porn implementation regard.
I can't believe they decided to have pandora as a main porn mechanic and no one among team told them thats not how you make that.
But almost everyone among the backers told them it's bad idea.
 

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Does it really matter if it's high quality if it's bad? Starfield, Veilguard, Outlaws are also of high quality. About how it sold - not a lot of "recent" reviews, but massive money from KS and decent sales from EA I would say. I understand that being a cunt is their personality, but being a cunt to people funding them is a bad business strategy in my opinion. I think they will not attempt another game after Subverse, if they decide to go to KS again I doubt they will get 10% of what they got for Subverse.


But almost everyone among the backers told them it's bad idea.
It always a stupid idea to insult your customers.

Some game companies are doing this and losing money because of this.
 

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Does it really matter if it's high quality if it's bad? Starfield, Veilguard, Outlaws are also of high quality. About how it sold - not a lot of "recent" reviews, but massive money from KS and decent sales from EA I would say. I understand that being a cunt is their personality, but being a cunt to people funding them is a bad business strategy in my opinion. I think they will not attempt another game after Subverse, if they decide to go to KS again I doubt they will get 10% of what they got for Subverse.
I personally don't think the games you named are actually high quality. Certainly not for the budget that flowed into them. And Outlaws definitely isn't pretty to look at lol. And I don't think the money they earned from KS is even left after all this. Lotsa things that need to be paid and 1.6-ish million isn't that much.
 
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I personally don't think the games you named are actually not high quality. Certainly not for the budget that flowed into them. And Outlaws definitely isn't pretty to look at lol. And I don't think the money they earned from KS is even left after all this. Lotsa things that need to be paid and 1.6-ish million isn't that much.
If I understand you correctly you think mentioned games are not of high quality because of their budget? Well, ok, everyone has right to their opinion. For me, what we got from Studio FOW with money from KS sand sales is bad. As for why - you have thousands of comments here why. As for the sales and their money - I don't care anymore, all I know I won't support them again.
 

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If I understand you correctly you think mentioned games are not of high quality because of their budget? Well, ok, everyone has right to their opinion. For me, what we got from Studio FOW with money from KS sand sales is bad. As for why - you have thousands of comments here why. As for the sales and their money - I don't care anymore, all I know I won't support them again.
Yeah, sorry. Typo that I didn't notice in time. Yes, I meant that I don't think those games are of good quality at all. Certainly not in a 250+ milion budget way. Outlaws especially is ugly as sin. By comparison, Subverse looks downright stellar in relation to their budget (the only other KS game in that money ballpark was Bloodstained). And it got hot women. Which also can't be said for any of those three games you named.
 
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