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RPGM Abandoned Succubus Covenant: Warlock Saga [Ch. 1] [Olympus]

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patrimai

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im curious where is this game/series of games in the arcs/generations of the succubus coevenant series?
is this before or after or at the same timeline as the cursed forest?
 

Dreamer44

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im curious where is this game/series of games in the arcs/generations of the succubus coevenant series?
is this before or after or at the same timeline as the cursed forest?
The first chapter takes place a few years before Argonauts of Kastalim (the Cursed Forest is the old name, but Zion either can't or doesn't know how to update the thread's title)
 
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is this complete?
Zion is going to finish the main series' first game first before continuing this side game.

In May, barring any huge problem/delay, working on chapter two should be resumed and finished in a relatively short time.
 

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I got tired of just how damn slow the combat animations in this game are so I created a mod that trims the combat animations (spells and attacks) into still images that will just flash for a fraction of a second.
Note that combat is still slow as it is still doing some other nonsense like making the attacking character grow and shrink to indicate who attacked or flashing the screen. But it is a lot faster than before.

The mod was created using chapter 1 ver 2, however it should work for all future versions too.
It just edits png files to trim the animations into a single still image. I also did not randomly trim but instead selected an appropriate single frame for each spell

To install the mod simply extract it into the warlock saga root folder (ex: D:\games\Hentai\WarlockSaga\)
and select overwrite all.
 
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mrttao

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Because I like the art and the story I very much wanted to like the game and give it a good score... but I just can't. I can't play this, and I can't give it more than 1 stars. However I am going to put up and explain exactly how it can be fixed (won't even be that much work to fix)

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The game is currently unplayable.
It has the potential to be a 4 or a 5 star game. but currently I am forced to give it a 1 star.

Low hanging fruit that should be easily implemented and will make this go from 1 star to 3 stars:
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Because I like the art and the story I very much wanted to like the game and give it a good score... but I just can't. I can't play this, and I can't give it more than 1 stars. However I am going to put up and explain exactly how it can be fixed (won't even be that much work to fix)

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The game is currently unplayable.
It has the potential to be a 4 or a 5 star game. but currently I am forced to give it a 1 star.

Low hanging fruit that should be easily implemented and will make this go from 1 star to 3 stars:
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LOL
 

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I feel like you haven't met a single femdom game fan, Dialogue is our life blood.

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This is what made me laugh and completely disregard everything else lol (that and his terrible logic for his 1 star. "I liked everything except a bit of the combat, so I'm giving the lowest rating possible")

The hentai scenes are literally made for FEMDOM fans. With love interests/concubines exceptions.

But it was good for the lolz
 

mrttao

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The game works just fine for me but perhaps you can explain how someone can write so much when the game is unplayable. Did you fondle with the files a bit and made them perform shadow games at a bonfire? :unsure:
As I explained in that post. The issue is that the RPG portion is horribly unbalanced, extremely grindy, and has a bunch of wrist breaking anti features that sap your will to live.

it is "unplayable" in the same way that a really really ugly person is "unfuckable".
Yes a really really ugly person can in fact insert a penis / get a penis inserted into them, and that will technically be fucking.
But we still say they are unfuckable.
 
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As I explained in that post. The issue is that the RPG portion is horribly unbalanced, extremely grindy, and has a bunch of wrist breaking anti features that sap your will to live.

it is "unplayable" in the same way that a really really ugly person is "unfuckable".
Yes a really really ugly person can in fact insert a penis / get a penis inserted into them, and that will technically be fucking.
But we still say they are unfuckable.
You should become a comedian. Or a drama actor.

Warlock Saga is different than the main series. You can easily become strong by:
-Summoning allies (Orc summon really helps at the beginning)
-Buying spells
-Buying equipment

If you tried to buy equipment or spells from anything above tier 1, yes, it would be very grindy, because you are not supposed to get them at chapter ONE.

Now, you can easily sell what you made of defeated enemies and buy tier 1 equipment and spells.

Chapter 2 enemies will drop more items for you to sell that will be more valuable, so you can easily buy tier 2 equipment and spells.

I like that all spells are available for the player in the first chapter already.

WS is very easy for you to adapt and become a powerhouse. But it's not the generic rpg way.
 
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mrttao

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Warlock Saga is different than the main series. You can easily become strong by:
-Summoning allies (Orc summon really helps at the beginning)
-Buying spells
-Buying equipment
1. You can summon orcs? how? there is zero mention of it in the game. the orcs I killed dropped generic lesser demonic essence not orc essence.

2. equipment price scaling is insane. It starts off semi reasonable with equipment piece that gives +1 defense costs 150... but by the +5 it costs 100,000. This is utterly insane scaling.

3. spells have the same price scaling. and more expensive spells are mostly trash. Your basic spell is 5 mana for the same damage as hitting something with basic attack. the basic ice and fire spells deal roughly the same amount of damage too. subsequent spells deal more but are insanely more expensive mana-wise. making them completely impractical to actually use in combat.
Even if you use a 100k spell that costs a whopping 75 mana, a full 15x more mana that the basic magical spell you start with. it does not deal anywhere near that much damage. So the "upgraded" spells are in fact downgrades due to being less efficient.

incidentally potions are unreasonably expensive too. Also by being % recover means the cheap potions are only usable out of combat.... and the 99 item limit is really harsh for cheap potions. (basic potion is 10% restore. so you need to use many of them after each combat).
If you tried to buy equipment or spells from anything above tier 1, yes, it would be very grindy, because you are not supposed to get them at chapter ONE.
Yes they are available in chapter 1, which is all there is of the game right now.
In fact I calculated it out and it would take roughly 10 days of working 16 hours a day farming money in this game to even get close to buying a full set of spells and equipment for you and the imp.
WS is very easy for you to adapt and become a powerhouse. But it's not the generic rpg way.
This is not about becoming a powerhouse, this is about punishing unfun game-play. Everything is designed to waste as much of the player's time and patience as possible.
Walking simulator your way to an enemy. Fight 1 enemy. Walking simulator your way back to town. Go to sleep to restore your HP and MP. Now go to the market. suffer through the same long drawn out dialog for a merchant, and sell him the merch trash you picked up.
repeat this as you slowly slowly slowly upgrade your gear.

Yea, realistically you will grind several hours to get a set of +2 or maybe +3 gear. But still... just... so many bad design choices.
RPGM is already notoriously bad and this game dials all the faults up to 11.

And it is not just me. Look at the reviews, about half the reviews point out how bad the RPG segment of the game is.
 
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1. You can summon orcs? how? there is zero mention of it in the game. the orcs I killed dropped generic lesser demonic essence not orc essence.

2. the equipment is insanely priced. an equipment piece that gives +1 defense costs 150, while +5 costs 100,000. This is utterly insane scaling.

3. spells have the same price scaling. and more expensive spells are mostly trash. Your basic spell is 5 mana for the same damage as hitting something with basic attack. the basic ice and fire spells deal roughly the same amount of damage too. subsequent spells deal more but are insanely more expensive mana-wise. making them completely impractical to actually use in combat.
Even if you use a 100k spell that costs a whopping 75 mana, a full 15x more mana that the basic magical spell you start with. it does not deal anywhere near that much damage. So the "upgraded" spells are in fact downgrades due to being less efficient.

incidentally potions are unreasonably expensive too. Also by being % recover means the cheap potions are only usable out of combat.... and the 99 item limit is really harsh for cheap potions. (basic potion is 10% restore. so you need to use many of them after each combat).

Yes they are available in chapter 1, which is all there is of the game right now.
In fact I calculated it out and it would take roughly 10 days of working 16 hours a day farming money in this game to even get close to buying a full set of spells and equipment for you and the imp.

This is not about becoming a powerhouse, this is about punishing unfun game-play. Everything is designed to waste as much of the player's time and patience as possible.
Walking simulator your way to an enemy. Fight 1 enemy. Walking simulator your way back to town. Go to sleep to restore your HP and MP. Now go to the market. suffer through the same long drawn out dialog for a merchant, and sell him the merch trash you picked up.
repeat this as you slowly slowly slowly upgrade your gear.

Yea, realistically you will grind several hours to get a set of +2 or maybe +3 gear. But still... just... so many bad design choices.
RPGM is already notoriously bad and this game dials all the faults up to 11.

And it is not just me. Look at the reviews, about half the reviews point out how bad the RPG segment of the game is.
1-The game even tells you that you should take a look at the Magical Schools of Anumati. I try not to insult the intelligence of the players and let them explore, like an RPG should be explored, and be rewarded for it. I can't be more direct than that.

At the school of ice, you can talk to the teacher who literally has a quest mark above her head, and will point out to her quest. A old ruin, where you can summon the Orc.

2-I told you that enemies from chapter ONE drop very little compared to enemies of chapter FIVE.
Plus, it perfectly fits the lore. In Succubus Covenant, runes and relics are the base for power, specially for mages.
Runes and relics are rare, and insanely expensive for anyone but the elite.
As you grow as an Warlock, you will become part of the elite and make much more money.

I also don't deal with huge numbers. Like +1000 of damage. +2 +3 etc is much better for me and it makes a difference once equipped.

3-Same as above in relation to pricing.

When I play tested the game, spells were very useful, but not overpowered, and most of them had side effects that could work to your advantage. Like paralyzing an enemy.
The school of fire is the most aggressive and damage based.

4-Are you even selling the items you got from the enemies? Or are you just trying to collect the little coins they had?
Your main income isn't the money that the enemies drop, but the DROPS themselves. Spears, broken spears, Silver Jars, etc

5-Read what I said above and you will understand how easily it is to become powerful.
-Summon the orc
-Kill a few enemies
-Sell the stuff they drop
-Buy spells and equipment
-Enjoy the story

I don't know what games you played, but I like having to work for power. Having the best equipment and spells after deserving them.
 
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1-The game even tells you that you should take a look at the Magical Schools of Anumati. I try not to insult the intelligence of the players and let them explore, like an RPG should be explored, and be rewarded for it. I can't be more direct than that.

At the school of ice, you can talk to the teacher who literally has a quest mark above her head, and will point out to her quest. A old ruin, where you can summon the Orc.
I went into all the schools and read through all the stuff.
I got the info about the orc place. I already explicitly told you that orcs do not drop orc essence. How would I know that if I didn't kill orcs?
I went there and fought some orcs. Killed them... had to go back to heal after every single orc fought because as mentioned the balancing is terrible.

And I got exactly 0 orc essence. I also got exactly zero orc summoning ritual spellbooks.
Also, I noticed the orcs are harder to fight compared to the bandits and mercs. I came to the conclusion that this sidequest is a higher level one I should be doing LATER and that right now I need to go do the main quest that my teacher told me. which is to go to the oasis and poison it.

There is zero indication that instead of fighting the easier bandits and mercenaries you need to fight the tougher orcs, and that after you go deep enough into the orc's dungeon you will get an orc summoning spell.
2-I told you that enemies from chapter ONE drop very little compared to enemies of chapter FIVE.
Plus, it perfectly fits the lore. In Succubus Covenant, runes and relics are the base for power, specially for mages.
Runes and relics are rare, and insanely expensive for anyone but the elite.
As you grow as an Warlock, you will become part of the elite and make much more money.

I also don't deal with huge numbers. Like +1000 of damage. +2 +3 etc is much better for me and it makes a difference once equipped.
It makes a very very small difference. I cheated by giving myself 10 million gold. then bought all +5 gear (cost nearly 2 million for just MC and the imp)... MC damage went up from 30 to 40. whoop dee dah.
Also, you say you are not into huge numbers, yet you went from 150 gold to 100,000 gold. Those are huge numbers
When I play tested the game, spells were very useful, but not overpowered, and most of them had side effects that could work to your advantage. Like paralyzing an enemy.
While paralysis is useful, you literally can only cast the "2 turn paralysis" spell once because it costs 75 MP to cast. which is utterly insane.
MP is valuable. If you blow all your MP like that you need to run back to town to sleep for a day to restore it.
4-Are you even selling the items you got from the enemies? Or are you just trying to collect the little coins they had?
Your main income isn't the money that the enemies drop, but the DROPS themselves. Spears, broken spears, Silver Jars, etc
Yes, I am selling the items. been selling the drops from orcs and bandits and the results were very very low.
as for merc spears. didn't get around to selling them. but mercs do not respawn.
-Sell the stuff they drop
completely unreasonable busywork. Why can't the MC say "this is junk... i will just have the slaves sell it later" after his first fight to justify enemies dropping "treasure" instead of vendor trash you need to manually hawk?
and each time you talk to a vendor you are forced to listen to their entire conversation before you are given the option to shop. instead of doing like every other game does where you click on the vendor and it offers you to pick between:
[shop]
[talk]
[leave]
5-Read what I said above and you will understand how easily it is to become powerful.
-Summon the orc
Oh yea, just explore massive maps until you find the quest. then go to the place, then ignore what you promised IC (that you will back out if you see it is dangerous), then fight your way through much tougher enemies then expected, then find a completely unexpected boon. Yea perfectly reasonable first step
-Buy spells and equipment
Not worth the money or time of harvesting. because they are terribly balanced.

The game is not impossible hard... its not rocket science. I did not FAIL... I just got bored and my wrists started hurting. I found that even with cheats I am wasting hours on punishing unrewarding grinding.

For example, I gave up after acquiring the leaf succubus. With her the party would grow from 2 to 3 giving a powerful action economy boost and allowing me to overcome the orc dungeon. I probably would have gotten to it not too long afterwards and thus gotten a 4th party member, the orc. thus improving things further.

But possible is not the same as well balanced, fun, or good. The grind is painful and it is chock full of anti features.
 
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