RPGM Abandoned Succubus Covenant: Warlock Saga [Ch. 1] [Olympus]

[Zion of Olympus]

1. You can summon orcs? how? there is zero mention of it in the game. the orcs I killed dropped generic lesser demonic essence not orc essence.

2. the equipment is insanely priced. an equipment piece that gives +1 defense costs 150, while +5 costs 100,000. This is utterly insane scaling.

3. spells have the same price scaling. and more expensive spells are mostly trash. Your basic spell is 5 mana for the same damage as hitting something with basic attack. the basic ice and fire spells deal roughly the same amount of damage too. subsequent spells deal more but are insanely more expensive mana-wise. making them completely impractical to actually use in combat.
Even if you use a 100k spell that costs a whopping 75 mana, a full 15x more mana that the basic magical spell you start with. it does not deal anywhere near that much damage. So the "upgraded" spells are in fact downgrades due to being less efficient.

incidentally potions are unreasonably expensive too. Also by being % recover means the cheap potions are only usable out of combat.... and the 99 item limit is really harsh for cheap potions. (basic potion is 10% restore. so you need to use many of them after each combat).

Yes they are available in chapter 1, which is all there is of the game right now.
In fact I calculated it out and it would take roughly 10 days of working 16 hours a day farming money in this game to even get close to buying a full set of spells and equipment for you and the imp.

This is not about becoming a powerhouse, this is about punishing unfun game-play. Everything is designed to waste as much of the player's time and patience as possible.
Walking simulator your way to an enemy. Fight 1 enemy. Walking simulator your way back to town. Go to sleep to restore your HP and MP. Now go to the market. suffer through the same long drawn out dialog for a merchant, and sell him the merch trash you picked up.
repeat this as you slowly slowly slowly upgrade your gear.

Yea, realistically you will grind several hours to get a set of +2 or maybe +3 gear. But still... just... so many bad design choices.
RPGM is already notoriously bad and this game dials all the faults up to 11.

And it is not just me. Look at the reviews, about half the reviews point out how bad the RPG segment of the game is.

1-The game even tells you that you should take a look at the Magical Schools of Anumati. I try not to insult the intelligence of the players and let them explore, like an RPG should be explored, and be rewarded for it. I can't be more direct than that.

At the school of ice, you can talk to the teacher who literally has a quest mark above her head, and will point out to her quest. A old ruin, where you can summon the Orc.

2-I told you that enemies from chapter ONE drop very little compared to enemies of chapter FIVE.
Plus, it perfectly fits the lore. In Succubus Covenant, runes and relics are the base for power, specially for mages.
Runes and relics are rare, and insanely expensive for anyone but the elite.
As you grow as an Warlock, you will become part of the elite and make much more money.

I also don't deal with huge numbers. Like +1000 of damage. +2 +3 etc is much better for me and it makes a difference once equipped.

3-Same as above in relation to pricing.

When I play tested the game, spells were very useful, but not overpowered, and most of them had side effects that could work to your advantage. Like paralyzing an enemy.
The school of fire is the most aggressive and damage based.

4-Are you even selling the items you got from the enemies? Or are you just trying to collect the little coins they had?
Your main income isn't the money that the enemies drop, but the DROPS themselves. Spears, broken spears, Silver Jars, etc

5-Read what I said above and you will understand how easily it is to become powerful.
-Summon the orc
-Kill a few enemies
-Sell the stuff they drop
-Buy spells and equipment
-Enjoy the story

I don't know what games you played, but I like having to work for power. Having the best equipment and spells after deserving them.

 

[mrttao]

1-The game even tells you that you should take a look at the Magical Schools of Anumati. I try not to insult the intelligence of the players and let them explore, like an RPG should be explored, and be rewarded for it. I can't be more direct than that.

At the school of ice, you can talk to the teacher who literally has a quest mark above her head, and will point out to her quest. A old ruin, where you can summon the Orc.

I went into all the schools and read through all the stuff.
I got the info about the orc place. I already explicitly told you that orcs do not drop orc essence. How would I know that if I didn't kill orcs?
I went there and fought some orcs. Killed them... had to go back to heal after every single orc fought because as mentioned the balancing is terrible.

And I got exactly 0 orc essence. I also got exactly zero orc summoning ritual spellbooks.
Also, I noticed the orcs are harder to fight compared to the bandits and mercs. I came to the conclusion that this sidequest is a higher level one I should be doing LATER and that right now I need to go do the main quest that my teacher told me. which is to go to the oasis and poison it.

There is zero indication that instead of fighting the easier bandits and mercenaries you need to fight the tougher orcs, and that after you go deep enough into the orc's dungeon you will get an orc summoning spell.

2-I told you that enemies from chapter ONE drop very little compared to enemies of chapter FIVE.
Plus, it perfectly fits the lore. In Succubus Covenant, runes and relics are the base for power, specially for mages.
Runes and relics are rare, and insanely expensive for anyone but the elite.
As you grow as an Warlock, you will become part of the elite and make much more money.

I also don't deal with huge numbers. Like +1000 of damage. +2 +3 etc is much better for me and it makes a difference once equipped.

It makes a very very small difference. I cheated by giving myself 10 million gold. then bought all +5 gear (cost nearly 2 million for just MC and the imp)... MC damage went up from 30 to 40. whoop dee dah.
Also, you say you are not into huge numbers, yet you went from 150 gold to 100,000 gold. Those are huge numbers

When I play tested the game, spells were very useful, but not overpowered, and most of them had side effects that could work to your advantage. Like paralyzing an enemy.

While paralysis is useful, you literally can only cast the "2 turn paralysis" spell once because it costs 75 MP to cast. which is utterly insane.
MP is valuable. If you blow all your MP like that you need to run back to town to sleep for a day to restore it.

4-Are you even selling the items you got from the enemies? Or are you just trying to collect the little coins they had?
Your main income isn't the money that the enemies drop, but the DROPS themselves. Spears, broken spears, Silver Jars, etc

Yes, I am selling the items. been selling the drops from orcs and bandits and the results were very very low.
as for merc spears. didn't get around to selling them. but mercs do not respawn.

-Sell the stuff they drop

completely unreasonable busywork. Why can't the MC say "this is junk... i will just have the slaves sell it later" after his first fight to justify enemies dropping "treasure" instead of vendor trash you need to manually hawk?
and each time you talk to a vendor you are forced to listen to their entire conversation before you are given the option to shop. instead of doing like every other game does where you click on the vendor and it offers you to pick between:
[shop]
[talk]
[leave]

5-Read what I said above and you will understand how easily it is to become powerful.
-Summon the orc

Oh yea, just explore massive maps until you find the quest. then go to the place, then ignore what you promised IC (that you will back out if you see it is dangerous), then fight your way through much tougher enemies then expected, then find a completely unexpected boon. Yea perfectly reasonable first step

-Buy spells and equipment

Not worth the money or time of harvesting. because they are terribly balanced.

The game is not impossible hard... its not rocket science. I did not FAIL... I just got bored and my wrists started hurting. I found that even with cheats I am wasting hours on punishing unrewarding grinding.

For example, I gave up after acquiring the leaf succubus. With her the party would grow from 2 to 3 giving a powerful action economy boost and allowing me to overcome the orc dungeon. I probably would have gotten to it not too long afterwards and thus gotten a 4th party member, the orc. thus improving things further.

But possible is not the same as well balanced, fun, or good. The grind is painful and it is chock full of anti features.

 

[Zion of Olympus]

I went into all the schools and read through all the stuff.
I got the info about the orc place. I already explicitly told you that orcs do not drop orc essence. How would I know that if I didn't kill orcs?
I went there and fought some orcs. Killed them... had to go back to heal after every single orc fought because as mentioned the balancing is terrible.

And I got exactly 0 orc essence. I also got exactly zero orc summoning ritual spellbooks.
Also, I noticed the orcs are harder to fight compared to the bandits and mercs. I came to the conclusion that this sidequest is a higher level one I should be doing LATER and that right now I need to go do the main quest that my teacher told me. which is to go to the oasis and poison it.

There is zero indication that instead of fighting the easier bandits and mercenaries you need to fight the tougher orcs, and that after you go deep enough into the orc's dungeon you will get an orc summoning spell.

It makes a very very small difference. I cheated by giving myself 10 million gold. then bought all +5 gear (cost nearly 2 million for just MC and the imp)... MC damage went up from 30 to 40. whoop dee dah.
Also, you say you are not into huge numbers, yet you went from 150 gold to 100,000 gold. Those are huge numbers

While paralysis is useful, you literally can only cast the "2 turn paralysis" spell once because it costs 75 MP to cast. which is utterly insane.
MP is valuable. If you blow all your MP like that you need to run back to town to sleep for a day to restore it.

Yes, I am selling the items. been selling the drops from orcs and bandits and the results were very very low.
as for merc spears. didn't get around to selling them. but mercs do not respawn.

completely unreasonable busywork. Why can't the MC say "this is junk... i will just have the slaves sell it later" after his first fight to justify enemies dropping "treasure" instead of vendor trash you need to manually hawk?
and each time you talk to a vendor you are forced to listen to their entire conversation before you are given the option to shop. instead of doing like every other game does where you click on the vendor and it offers you to pick between:
[shop]
[talk]
[leave]

Oh yea, just explore massive maps until you find the quest. then go to the place, then ignore what you promised IC (that you will back out if you see it is dangerous), then fight your way through much tougher enemies then expected, then find a completely unexpected boon. Yea perfectly reasonable first step

Not worth the money or time of harvesting. because they are terribly balanced.

The game is not impossible hard... its not rocket science. I did not FAIL... I just got bored and my wrists started hurting. I found that even with cheats I am wasting hours on punishing unrewarding grinding.

For example, I gave up after acquiring the leaf succubus. With her the party would grow from 2 to 3 giving a powerful action economy boost and allowing me to overcome the orc dungeon. I probably would have gotten to it not too long afterwards and thus gotten a 4th party member, the orc. thus improving things further.

But possible is not the same as well balanced, fun, or good. The grind is painful and it is chock full of anti features.

1-Exploration is essential in SC. You just needed to explore and find that the ritual for the orc summoning was already in place and you could just summon him, completing the ritual and having your second companion.

2-SC has no forced battles. You can avoid every enemy. You can also buy healing potions and go out prepared. Preparation is vital for survival. The market has anything you need.

3-Completely missing the point about numbers. I mean for battle. All numbers are low. And yes, there is no huge difference, but if you add the bonus to the multiplier of the tier 3+ spells, it makes a huge difference.
But you also lacked the Orc, Zellthine isn't strong enough to deal with the rest of the game.
But the full team of Kaalim, Orc, Nemorosa and Zellthine is a powerhouse and the game becomes much easier.

Money, however, is well reflected and adapted in the world of SC. When something is magical and powerful, it's very expensive.

4-There is no way you are selling items and complaining about the time it takes for you to buy tier 1 material. Again, you are trying to buy above tier 1, which can be possible, but it will be very grinding.

5-The shop vendors repeating themselves was a bug that I already fixed for the new version to come.

6-You can avoid the battles. They are not forced upon you. I don't recommend engaging in many battles with just Zellthine at your side. You, a novice warlock and just an imp won't get very far.
But with a full team, you become unstoppable.
If you are unstoppable alone with Zellthine, the game would be a joke.

7-Yes, you need to explore and that exploration will be rewarded. Information, quests, summoning, items, etc

8-You got bored, okay. That doesn't make the game "unplayable". Can I improve things further? Absolutely. And I will. But to call unplayable is BS. Which was what made me answer your posts.

 

[Succubus Hunter]

Because I like the art and the story I very much wanted to like the game and give it a good score... but I just can't. I can't play this, and I can't give it more than 1 stars. However I am going to put up and explain exactly how it can be fixed (won't even be that much work to fix)

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The game is currently unplayable.
It has the potential to be a 4 or a 5 star game. but currently I am forced to give it a 1 star.

Low hanging fruit that should be easily implemented and will make this go from 1 star to 3 stars:

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suggestions that can push it higher. but might take more work:

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A 1 star? Don't you think you are being a "Little" harsh? If this is a 1 star game, a 5 star game would have to come with a real life succubus included with every copy.

I feel like you haven't met a single femdom game fan, Dialogue is our life blood.

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Agreed on dialogue being the lifeblood. H games without good dialogue are just image galleries with extra steps.

 

[mrttao]

2-SC has no forced battles. You can avoid every enemy. You can also buy healing potions and go out prepared. Preparation is vital for survival. The market has anything you need.

A. Potions are expensive. battles are the only way to make money
B. Putting aside how hilariously difficult it is (to downright impossible) to outrun all the enemies. You are forced to kill of the mercenaries early on so that they do not report on your poisoning the oasis. So that is dozens of forced battles right there. You are also forced to kill the succubus before you can summon your own.

3-Completely missing the point about numbers. I mean for battle. All numbers are low. And yes, there is no huge difference, but if you add the bonus to the multiplier of the tier 3+ spells, it makes a huge difference.
But you also lacked the Orc, Zellthine isn't strong enough to deal with the rest of the game.
But the full team of Kaalim, Orc, Nemorosa and Zellthine is a powerhouse and the game becomes much easier.

Money, however, is well reflected and adapted in the world of SC. When something is magical and powerful, it's very expensive.

A. Assembling that team requires many hours of grueling grinding. You need to kill the succubus 4 times before you can summon one of your own. which requires you to have spent hours grinding to get probably +3 gear. maybe you can do it with +2 set. Then after you get the succubus you can use her to kill a bunch of orcs to get the orc. (assuming you were given a walkthrough. because this is completely unintuitive).
Both require you to be well prepared. meaning hours of grinding money to get the equipment you need to barely win.

B. I understand premium prices for premium goods. But those premium items are weak-sauce. a 30% increase in damage is not an epic sword of destiny. But it sure is priced as if it was one.

4-There is no way you are selling items and complaining about the time it takes for you to buy tier 1 material. Again, you are trying to buy above tier 1, which can be possible, but it will be very grinding.

... I didn't complain about the price of buying tier 1 stuff.
I said that tier 4+ is effectively impossible without cheating, and that the player should prepare for long grueling painful grinding to get either a +2 or +3 set. Which are tiny tiny increase to combat.

8-You got bored, okay. That doesn't make the game "unplayable". Can I improve things further? Absolutely. And I will. But to call unplayable is BS. Which was what made me answer your posts.

It is not just "you got bored". This is wrist breaking grind, its like a job.
And a full half of the reviewers complain about the grueling grind too.

The worst part though is that this game has so much potential. The story is good, the characters are good, the art is good.
And there are multiple low hanging fruit changes you could easily make to vastly vastly reduce the wrist breaking grind.

5-The shop vendors repeating themselves was a bug that I already fixed for the new version to come.

This is a great improvement. glad to hear it. hope some of the other issues get addressed too.

 

[mrttao]

A 1 star? Don't you think you are being a "Little" harsh? If this is a 1 star game, a 5 star game would have to come with a real life succubus included with every copy.

What is harsh is how cruel the RPG mechanics in this game are to the players. How little it cares for their time and interest.
And no, a 5 star game does not need a real life succubus. In fact I explicitly gave a list of changes that could make this into a 3, 4, and 5 stars game respectively. https://f95zone.to/threads/succubus-covenant-warlock-saga-ch-1-olympus.80241/post-7903261

I am extremely generous with my ratings, I hate giving a 1 star, especially to a game with potential. But seriously I very rarely encounter a game that is this punishing with its grind and busywork forced clicks.

A couple of hours should be all it takes to implement a few easily made fixes (either existing common scripts that need to be installed. or a few minor changes) that will change this game from a 1* to 3*. Still not great, but at least tolerable

Going beyond into the 4 and 5 star territory is entirely doable for this game too, but realistically will require a lot more work. Probably a couple of weeks to rebuild the RPG section of this game into something ok. And this is all the game needs really, an "ok" RPG can be carried by excellent art and a decent story.
But if the RPG segment (which accounts for 99% of the time you spend in the game) is grueling punishing... downright player abuse, then it drags down what would have otherwise been an excellent game.

 

[Zion of Olympus]

A. Potions are expensive. battles are the only way to make money
B. Putting aside how hilariously difficult it is (to downright impossible) to outrun all the enemies. You are forced to kill of the mercenaries early on so that they do not report on your poisoning the oasis. So that is dozens of forced battles right there. You are also forced to kill the succubus before you can summon your own.

A. Assembling that team requires many hours of grueling grinding. You need to kill the succubus 4 times before you can summon one of your own. which requires you to have spent hours grinding to get probably +3 gear. maybe you can do it with +2 set. Then after you get the succubus you can use her to kill a bunch of orcs to get the orc. (assuming you were given a walkthrough. because this is completely unintuitive).
Both require you to be well prepared. meaning hours of grinding money to get the equipment you need to barely win.

B. I understand premium prices for premium goods. But those premium items are weak-sauce. a 30% increase in damage is not an epic sword of destiny. But it sure is priced as if it was one.

... I didn't complain about the price of buying tier 1 stuff.
I said that tier 4+ is effectively impossible without cheating, and that the player should prepare for long grueling painful grinding to get either a +2 or +3 set. Which are tiny tiny increase to combat.

It is not just "you got bored". This is wrist breaking grind, its like a job.
And a full half of the reviewers complain about the grueling grind too.

The worst part though is that this game has so much potential. The story is good, the characters are good, the art is good.
And there are multiple low hanging fruit changes you could easily make to vastly vastly reduce the wrist breaking grind.

1-Putting aside that you are the first person complaining about the game being impossible to play (some complained about being grinding, yes, but never being impossible), Tier 1 potions are very cheap. And perfect for the low HP Zellthine to recover.
You must have again tried to buy Tier 2+ potions, equipment and runes.

2-Mercenaries being killed is part of the story. At that point you should have Zellthine, the Orc and Nemorosa with you. In other words, a full party.
Like the story suggested (veil agent), dealing with the succubus should be your priority as a warlock.
You just tried to fight them with an incomplete party.
The blame is on you, then.

3-No one needed to get to tier 3 spells and equipment. You are literally the first person to make all this drama about the combat.
A full party makes this game very easy to be played.
Of all the patrons and here on F95, you are the first one to say "this game is impossible!"
Congratulations.

4-In the world of SC, there is no overpowered magic. At least not one that comes without a price.
So a powerful item that costs a lot more, like a rune tier 5, has no huge difference then a previous tiers.
And yet, is more powerful.

5-Again, you are NOT supposed to buy tier 4 items in CHAPTER 1.
Is that hard for you to understand that each tier should be bought in the respective chapter?
Example: Chapter 3 - Tier 3 equipment and spells.

6-The grinding has nothing to do with the game being unplayable. You are just adding drama.
NONE of the patrons found the game hard. Grindy? Yes. Because many thought that the tier 3+ spells was supposed to be bought on this chapter already.

Again, can I do better? Yes, and I will.

 

[mrttao]

Tier 1 potions are very cheap. And perfect for the low HP Zellthine to recover.
You must have again tried to buy Tier 2+ potions, equipment and runes.

tier 1 potions give you 10% HP or MP back. you can only carry 99 of them. they get used up very quickly. take many clicks to use, and damage your income enough that it is not worth it compared to just running back to town and resting in an inn for a full heal

2-Mercenaries being killed is part of the story. At that point you should have Zellthine, the Orc and Nemorosa with you. In other words, a full party.
Like the story suggested (veil agent), dealing with the succubus should be your priority as a warlock.
You just tried to fight them with an incomplete party.
The blame is on you, then.

I spent 40 minutes searching for the succubus and couldn't find her. during which I ended up killing 2 groups of mercs.
I was told she was in town, she wasn't. I combed the town and couldn't find her.
Then I started combing the oasis. Including the mercenary area, because hey maybe she is in with the mercenaries, she is a succubus after all and the mercs are manly men. I ended up killing 2 whole groups of them and still not finding her.

only when I entered the 3rd oasis did I finally find the succubus.
but there was zero indication she would be in that oasis to begin with. So no, it is not on me.

Also, I never said the mercenaries fight was too hard. I said the mercenaries are:
A. mandatory fight (you claimed none exist)
B. EASIER fight than the orcs and the succubus.

You MUST defeat the orcs and the succubus before you get your own orc and succubus. Starting to fight orcs and succ you see that they are tougher than the mercenaries. This combined with being told by Isha to hurry and secure the food supply suggests you are SUPPOSED to do the mercenaries FIRST and then do the orcs.

As for the succubus, you are explicitly told to do her first... but also mislead about WHERE she is found.
The orc is absolutely not on me because you are explicitly told to NOT throw your life against them, and they are tougher fight than other stuff at the time. So thinking you should do the first is backwards logic.

And I already told you I got the succubus. It isn't like I failed at playing. I only quit after getting the succubus.

3-No one needed to get to tier 3 spells and equipment. You are literally the first person to make all this drama about the combat.

Check the reviews for this game. half of them complain about the grind

A full party makes this game very easy to be played.

Only if you have a walkthrough that informs you that it is worthwhile to waste a ton of money on potions (so that orcs do not respawn) to force your way through the orcs dungeon first thing first to get an orc minion. And even then you need to first grind up some gear (probably +2).

6-The grinding has nothing to do with the game being unplayable. You are just adding drama.
NONE of the patrons found the game hard. Grindy? Yes. Because many thought that the tier 3+ spells was supposed to be bought on this chapter already.

Did I say the game was hard and that I was losing? No I said literally the opposite.
I said the game was abusive with its level of grind, walking and unnecessary clicks.

As for high tier spells... they are terrible. They cost massive amounts of gold, massive amount of MP to cast, and are less MP efficient than lower tier spells. You are burning way too much money (and rest time to restore MP) using them and should be using low tier spells instead
There is one use for the high tier spells... and that is if you are willing to burn money it can help you beat a boss battle. But in regular use you do not want them.

Again, can I do better? Yes, and I will.

well... that is great. My impression was that you are digging in your heels on the punishing grind and unnecessary clicks.
If you actually improve the game by cutting down on those, great. you have the potential for a real winner here.

 

[Zion of Olympus]

tier 1 potions give you 10% HP or MP back. you can only carry 99 of them. they get used up very quickly. take many clicks to use, and damage your income enough that it is not worth it compared to just running back to town and resting in an inn for a full heal

I spent 40 minutes searching for the succubus and couldn't find her. during which I ended up killing 2 groups of mercs.
I was told she was in town, she wasn't. I combed the town and couldn't find her.
Then I started combing the oasis. Including the mercenary area, because hey maybe she is in with the mercenaries, she is a succubus after all and the mercs are manly men. I ended up killing 2 whole groups of them and still not finding her.

only when I entered the 3rd oasis did I finally find the succubus.
but there was zero indication she would be in that oasis to begin with. So no, it is not on me.

Also, I never said the mercenaries fight was too hard. I said the mercenaries are:
A. mandatory fight (you claimed none exist)
B. EASIER fight than the orcs and the succubus.

You MUST defeat the orcs and the succubus before you get your own orc and succubus. Starting to fight orcs and succ you see that they are tougher than the mercenaries. This combined with being told by Isha to hurry and secure the food supply suggests you are SUPPOSED to do the mercenaries FIRST and then do the orcs.

As for the succubus, you are explicitly told to do her first... but also mislead about WHERE she is found.
The orc is absolutely not on me because you are explicitly told to NOT throw your life against them, and they are tougher fight than other stuff at the time. So thinking you should do the first is backwards logic.

And I already told you I got the succubus. It isn't like I failed at playing. I only quit after getting the succubus.

Check the reviews for this game. half of them complain about the grind

Only if you have a walkthrough that informs you that it is worthwhile to waste a ton of money on potions (so that orcs do not respawn) to force your way through the orcs dungeon first thing first to get an orc minion. And even then you need to first grind up some gear (probably +2).

Did I say the game was hard and that I was losing? No I said literally the opposite.
I said the game was abusive with its level of grind, walking and unnecessary clicks.

As for high tier spells... they are terrible. They cost massive amounts of gold, massive amount of MP to cast, and are less MP efficient than lower tier spells. You are burning way too much money (and rest time to restore MP) using them and should be using low tier spells instead
There is one use for the high tier spells... and that is if you are willing to burn money it can help you beat a boss battle. But in regular use you do not want them.


well... that is great. My impression was that you are digging in your heels on the punishing grind and unnecessary clicks.
If you actually improve the game by cutting down on those, great. you have the potential for a real winner here.

Holy shit. You really played with only Zellthine and Kaalim all that time?!

Okay, I'm not even... I don't even know how I feel right now.

1-Potions cost 2 gold. That's very cheap. Kill 1 or 2 bandits and you can buy tons on them.

2-I can't believe it. Now it makes sense why the game was so hard for you. You fought with only Zellthine and Kaalim.
I feel sorry for you now.

The Veil agent explicitly tells you that she was roaming around the 3 Oasis.
I don't know if you skipped the text or not, but it was clear where she was.
You had to search for her in each Oasis and she'll flee 3 times after being defeated.
Then her lair will be revealed on the map where you can grab her soul and summon a leaf succubus of your own.

3-You said that the game was impossible to play. But having only Kaalim and Zellthine I can see why now.
Pay more attention to the story next time.
No one struggled to find the succubus. At all.

4-You don't need to fight all the orcs. 1 or 2 to clear the way, with a few potions with you, and 'voila!' you have a 3 members in the party now that will make things much easier against the succubus.
Then, with the succubus, you get a full party and the game becomes much easier.

5-I read the reviews, and like I said, they talk about grind, not combat. Not the game being unplayable or impossible.
I thought it was drama. But at least now I know why.
I'd be pretty angry with just Zellthine and Kaalim too
No one, besides you, asked where the succubus was and everyone got her. I don't know what happened on your side. Everyone got the message right. In the 3 Oasis.

6-What even is "unnecessary clicks"? I don't get it.
You can hold/press Z. Much better.
Or change in options to remember your last command.

7-I already tweaked the spells. MP value and damage. Didn't share yet as the new changes will come in chapter 2 or the full game. (Depending on how format I release it)

Man... can't believe you played with only Zellthine and Kaalim... Damn...

Ask for help next time. I can answer you. No problem. I'm here for the community.

 

[Porn_Jesus]

Zion of Olympus You must feel so proud to have an expert critique for SC and now for WS too.~ The daily joy of yours is beyond my comprehension.^^'

 

[Zion of Olympus]

Zion of Olympus You must feel so proud to have an expert critique for SC and now for WS too.~ The daily joy of yours is beyond my comprehension.^^'

I initially felt a bit of anger with all the drama, but now I feel sorry for the guy.

He tried to beat the game with only Zellthine and Kaalim. That's the equivalent of trying to beat pokemon with just your initial one. lol

Imagine misreading where the succubus was (everyone else got her with no problem), not exploring to get the Orc for a full team, and then blaming me for bad design and "impossible broken game". LOL

 

[Porn_Jesus]

I initially felt a bit of anger with all the drama, but now I feel sorry for the guy.

He tried to beat the game with only Zellthine and Kaalim. That's the equivalent of trying to beat pokemon with just your initial one. lol

Imagine misreading where the succubus was (everyone else got her with no problem), not exploring to get the Orc for a full team, and then blaming me for bad design and "impossible broken game". LOL

I mean... kudos for trying but a professional challenge player admits when something isn't possible instead of blaming the creator.^^ It's always the same with some people. They don't read, they fail, they look for the butt responsible to that problem.

I had no idea mirrors became hard to come by due to the Ukraine-Russia conflict. There must be a hidden factory somewhere who is responsible for creating the majority of mirrors people can buy worldwide and they are unable to deliver them right now.

 

[mrttao]

Holy shit. You really played with only Zellthine and Kaalim all that time?!

Yes, I did.
This happened due to:
A. I couldn't find the succubus. I killed 2 merc nests effectively by accident while blindly searching for the succubus.
B. The orcs were tough enough that I thought it was higher level content meant for later. Actually I found the angel dungeon to be easier due to having much fewer guard bots and them not being respawning the way orcs are.

Now that I got the succubus, the orcs should be much easier to do. Although with lack of in game direction pointing at them I Would have instead gone with only imp and succ to continue to do the oasis poisoning quest. Then either the next story event or the angel dungeon depending on relative difficulty.
I probably would have cleared the angel dungeon before doing the orc dungeon if we didn't have this conversation.

1-Potions cost 2 gold. That's very cheap. Kill 1 or 2 bandits and you can buy tons on them.

the cheapest potion in the game is 5 gold not 2 gold, see attached image.
it heals 10% instead of a reasonable amount of HP. if it was for example 50 HP restored, that would be a lot more meaningful. Helpful in low levels, obsolete in high levels.
Anyways at 10% it is useless in combat, and you need to use a bunch of them out of combat.
The % based potions are very generous to super high level character, but there are not leveling... you are permanently stuck at low level which makes it quite harsh. and potion carry capacity (limited to 99), as you need to repeatedly use them in large quantity to heal.

The Veil agent explicitly tells you that she was roaming around the 3 Oasis.

IIRC he told me she was seen "around the town", also the town itself is an oasis too. You are supposed to poison side oasises so that they will in turn poison the main oasis in town without evidence.
Also, he didn't say "pop in and out of each of the oasis' until you sense magic in the air". I was told to search for her, so I did. I searched every nook, I talked to every single person in town, twice. I went to an oasis and started a systematic search throughout it for the succ until I completely cleared it, killing every single bandit and every single merc in it. Then I did the same to the 2nd oasis.
Then I went to the 3rd oasis, where MC went "oh I sense magic in the air, there is a succubus nearby" the moment I popped into the map. I was able to find her there, and start the chase.

I think that there should be a line or two about the MC saying "I do not sense the magic of a succubus nearby so she is not in town." then with the side oasis. if you go into the wrong one it should say "I do not sense the magic of a succubus nearby, she must not be in this oasis".

Speaking of. There is a quest log but it remains completely empty throughout the game. it contains zero in game directions. You need to remember exactly what a person said.
Oh and the veil agent does not repeat himself, I tried talking to him again and he will not repeat the initial briefing. You must try to remember what his exact wordings were for the succ location.

3-You said that the game was impossible to play.

To clarify, I said the game is "unplayable in the same sense that an ugly person is unfuckable". I meant it in the sense of "too grindy to bother with" rather than "this does not work".
Is this bad english? english is not my native tongue. I can reword it if it is bothersome.

I mean, the game works. I grinded my way through it, I got the succubus.
I just did not feel that the game is improving and lost hope that it ever will. From what you are saying now it gets a little better once you have a bigger party.
And also it seems I just had some really bad luck while searching for the succubus. I would have had a much better experience if I went into the oasis at a different order.

4-You don't need to fight all the orcs. 1 or 2 to clear the way, with a few potions with you, and 'voila!' you have a 3 members in the party now that will make things much easier against the succubus.
Then, with the succubus, you get a full party and the game becomes much easier.

You need a walkthrough to know that.
The orc containing map is non linear and spans multiple screens. You need to have some reason to think "I should waste money on potions to completely clear that map" or "I should sneak to a specific room whose location a new player has no idea of".
Why would I think there is a specific location in the orc dungeon that, if I sneak towards, I will get another minion?

The path is:
step 1: your teacher tells you to go hurry up and poison the oasis. Oh and btw you are also allowed to visit the guilds
step 2: explore the map until you find the guilds, then explore the guilds, then find out about a mysterious dungeon. The guild leader tells you to NOT go there. You say you will pop in to take a look and leave if it is dangerous.
step 3: Go there, pop in, determine it is very dangerous... become a liar by ignoring what you said earlier. Come with potions, avoid combat while fighting the 2 mandatory orc fights needed to reach a specific location in that multiscreen map to find your next party member.

This is not a logical path to expect someone to take without a walkthrough. Some small alterations in the dialog there would be great in making it clear that you are supposed to prioritize that map for another minion.

6-What even is "unnecessary clicks"? I don't get it.
You can hold/press Z. Much better.
Or change in options to remember your last command.

I will try to explain what I mean by unnecessary clicks.
It is true that in combat you just hold down enter and wait for it to finish. (although it takes a while without the full party)

After you win though, you need to let go of enter, click up up enter / down down enter to select "no" on the vore question, click enter again to skip the scene (if you accidentally click yes. hold down W and wait 30 seconds, due to the flashing lights not being accelerated by W), click enter again to pass through a notification that tells you that you skipped the vore scene and your hell sluts are healed.

now click a bunch of times to go back to town (large maps), click on merchant, hold W to skip their dialog (was a bug, fixed in next version). click several times to get to the shop menu, click several times to sell your vendor trash. Now a bunch of clicks to go to sleep.

alternatively, open inventory. now click items, navigate to potions, select the 5g potions, click many times to use because each potion heals 10% instead of something like 50HP or 100HP.
and click a bunch of times to buy new potions in bulk. because you can only carry 99 of them.
for example when I was fighting the succubus, I used up 90 potions while chasing her around and fighting her.

As for the succ, even if you find her, would you be strong enough to actually beat her without grinding for a while to get the tier 3 equipment and spells? and a bunch of potions?
It sounds like you really need to get the orc first. There really need to be some direction towards getting it instead of just assuming that the player will use a walkthrough.

 

[Zion of Olympus]

Yes, I did.
This happened due to:
A. I couldn't find the succubus. I killed 2 merc nests effectively by accident while blindly searching for the succubus.
B. The orcs were tough enough that I thought it was higher level content meant for later. Actually I found the angel dungeon to be easier due to having much fewer guard bots and them not being respawning the way orcs are.

Now that I got the succubus, the orcs should be much easier to do. Although with lack of in game direction pointing at them I Would have instead gone with only imp and succ to continue to do the oasis poisoning quest. Then either the next story event or the angel dungeon depending on relative difficulty.
I probably would have cleared the angel dungeon before doing the orc dungeon if we didn't have this conversation.

the cheapest potion in the game is 5 gold not 2 gold, see attached image.
it heals 10% instead of a reasonable amount of HP. if it was for example 50 HP restored, that would be a lot more meaningful. Helpful in low levels, obsolete in high levels.
Anyways at 10% it is useless in combat, and you need to use a bunch of them out of combat.
The % based potions are very generous to super high level character, but there are not leveling... you are permanently stuck at low level which makes it quite harsh. and potion carry capacity (limited to 99), as you need to repeatedly use them in large quantity to heal.

IIRC he told me she was seen "around the town", also the town itself is an oasis too. You are supposed to poison side oasises so that they will in turn poison the main oasis in town without evidence.
Also, he didn't say "pop in and out of each of the oasis' until you sense magic in the air". I was told to search for her, so I did. I searched every nook, I talked to every single person in town, twice. I went to an oasis and started a systematic search throughout it for the succ until I completely cleared it, killing every single bandit and every single merc in it. Then I did the same to the 2nd oasis.
Then I went to the 3rd oasis, where MC went "oh I sense magic in the air, there is a succubus nearby" the moment I popped into the map. I was able to find her there, and start the chase.

I think that there should be a line or two about the MC saying "I do not sense the magic of a succubus nearby so she is not in town." then with the side oasis. if you go into the wrong one it should say "I do not sense the magic of a succubus nearby, she must not be in this oasis".

Speaking of. There is a quest log but it remains completely empty throughout the game. it contains zero in game directions. You need to remember exactly what a person said.
Oh and the veil agent does not repeat himself, I tried talking to him again and he will not repeat the initial briefing. You must try to remember what his exact wordings were for the succ location.

To clarify, I said the game is "unplayable in the same sense that an ugly person is unfuckable". I meant it in the sense of "too grindy to bother with" rather than "this does not work".
Is this bad english? english is not my native tongue. I can reword it if it is bothersome.

I mean, the game works. I grinded my way through it, I got the succubus.
I just did not feel that the game is improving and lost hope that it ever will. From what you are saying now it gets a little better once you have a bigger party.
And also it seems I just had some really bad luck while searching for the succubus. I would have had a much better experience if I went into the oasis at a different order.

You need a walkthrough to know that.
The orc containing map is non linear and spans multiple screens. You need to have some reason to think "I should waste money on potions to completely clear that map" or "I should sneak to a specific room whose location a new player has no idea of".
Why would I think there is a specific location in the orc dungeon that, if I sneak towards, I will get another minion?

The path is:
step 1: your teacher tells you to go hurry up and poison the oasis. Oh and btw you are also allowed to visit the guilds
step 2: explore the map until you find the guilds, then explore the guilds, then find out about a mysterious dungeon. The guild leader tells you to NOT go there. You say you will pop in to take a look and leave if it is dangerous.
step 3: Go there, pop in, determine it is very dangerous... become a liar by ignoring what you said earlier. Come with potions, avoid combat while fighting the 2 mandatory orc fights needed to reach a specific location in that multiscreen map to find your next party member.

This is not a logical path to expect someone to take without a walkthrough. Some small alterations in the dialog there would be great in making it clear that you are supposed to prioritize that map for another minion.

I will try to explain what I mean by unnecessary clicks.
It is true that in combat you just hold down enter and wait for it to finish.

After you win though, you need to let go of enter, click enter to progress a line of dialog, click down to select "no" on the vore question, click enter to skip the scene (if you accidentally click yes. hold down W and wait 30 seconds, due to the flashing lights not being accelerated by W), click enter again to pass through a notification that tells you that you skipped the vore scene and your hell sluts are healed.

now click a bunch of times to go back to town (large maps), click on merchant, hold W to skip their dialog (was a bug, fixed in next version). click several times to get to the shop menu, click several times to sell your vendor trash. Now a bunch of clicks to go to sleep.

alternatively, open inventory. now click items, navigate to potions, select the 5g potions, click many times to use because each potion heals 10% instead of something like 50HP or 100HP.
and click a bunch of times to buy new potions in bulk. because you can only carry 99 of them.
for example when I was fighting the succubus, I used up 90 potions while chasing her around and fighting her.

As for the succ, even if you find her, would you be strong enough to actually beat her without grinding for a while to get the tier 3 equipment and spells? and a bunch of potions?
It sounds like you really need to get the orc first. There really need to be some direction towards getting it instead of just assuming that the player will use a walkthrough.

You know what, I think we are just wasting our time talking about the old version of the game.

Wait for the new release and see if you like the changes I already made and will make as well.

I'm not working on it right now. And it has been a an year since I touched WS.

 

[mrttao]

You know what, I think we are just wasting our time talking about the old version of the game.

Wait for the new release and see if you like the changes I already made and will make as well.

I'm not working on it right now. And it has been a an year since I touched WS.

Alright. Fair enough.
I also tried it again, this time with a full party. It does make a huge difference having the full party.
Everything goes quicker, there is vastly less running back to town to sleep to restore because the enemy attacks are now split between 4 instead of 2, of which 3 get a full heal after every battle. So the only time I need to heal is if MC took damage.
Don't really use magic much though, just spamming attack, except imp which is spamming spark.
I will rewrite my review.

BTW. something confuses me, why does the Veil Agent always uses the name "Die" to refer to the MC? His name is "Kaalim"

 

[Zion of Olympus]

Alright. Fair enough.
I also tried it again, this time with a full party. It does make a huge difference having the full party.
Everything goes quicker, there is vastly less running back to town to sleep to restore because the enemy attacks are now split between 4 instead of 2, of which 3 get a full heal after every battle. So the only time I need to heal is if MC took damage.
Don't really use magic much though, just spamming attack, except imp which is spamming spark.
I will rewrite my review.

BTW. something confuses me, why does the Veil Agent always uses the name "Die" to refer to the MC? His name is "Kaalim"

Die means sorcerer or witch. The high echelon of the Veil are the Die'Syr, which means Witch-King/Queen.

I hope you also enjoy the new changes I'll make for the rest of the game

 

[Zion of Olympus]

Alright. Fair enough.
I also tried it again, this time with a full party. It does make a huge difference having the full party.
Everything goes quicker, there is vastly less running back to town to sleep to restore because the enemy attacks are now split between 4 instead of 2, of which 3 get a full heal after every battle. So the only time I need to heal is if MC took damage.
Don't really use magic much though, just spamming attack, except imp which is spamming spark.
I will rewrite my review.

BTW. something confuses me, why does the Veil Agent always uses the name "Die" to refer to the MC? His name is "Kaalim"

I was searching for it, took me a while since I forgot where I put it. It has been an year lol

Ranks of the Die'Syr Order, The Veiled ones. (from stronger to weaker)
-Die'Syr (Witch King)
-Dyr'die (Warlock)
-Vyr'die (Judge)
-Tyr'die (Overseer)
-Die (Acolyte)

 

[Zion of Olympus]

Alright. Fair enough.
I also tried it again, this time with a full party. It does make a huge difference having the full party.
Everything goes quicker, there is vastly less running back to town to sleep to restore because the enemy attacks are now split between 4 instead of 2, of which 3 get a full heal after every battle. So the only time I need to heal is if MC took damage.
Don't really use magic much though, just spamming attack, except imp which is spamming spark.
I will rewrite my review.

BTW. something confuses me, why does the Veil Agent always uses the name "Die" to refer to the MC? His name is "Kaalim"

Oh, and we have a lore vid about them. We did it last month. I hope you enjoy it.

You must be registered to see the links

 

[mrttao]

I was searching for it, took me a while since I forgot where I put it. It has been an year lol

Ranks of the Die'Syr Order, The Veiled ones. (from stronger to weaker)
-Die'Syr (Witch King)
-Dyr'die (Warlock)
-Vyr'die (Judge)
-Tyr'die (Overseer)
-Die (Acolyte)

Is this mentioned in the game somewhere?

Oh, and we have a lore vid about them. We did it last month. I hope you enjoy it.

You must be registered to see the links

thanks.

 

[Zion of Olympus]

Is this mentioned in the game somewhere?

thanks.

I don't think I included it in the game yet. I'd present this once Kaalim raises his rank for Tyr'die.