It is tough to portray someone who is dealing with deep mental trauma - trauma that he has not dealt with in a healthy fashion for years - and is now actively working on trying to overcome.
I think Ocean has done a good job representing the MC as someone who is still afflicted with panic attacks, but he is actively challenging himself to now push on through instead of isolating himself from the world as before.
One of my favorite scenes of SG includes the onset of a panic attack and what follows.
I believe that, with time, other LIs will have a similar effect, but Bella is clearly the first in this regard.
CH 4.5 had almost no Bella content in it and yet, the way CH 4.5 ended - with Bella's arrival and what it meant to the MC, we got exactly the right amount of Bella time and just when we needed it.
If you or anyone else likes the old version, that's your decision, but you won't get fresh content for that. The author decided to reshape the MC and some other characters and continues on this path.
You are right, but this is a slightly different situation. It's not that someone likes the old version of the game, but that the new one should not be worse than the old one. Therefore, they compare the old versions and the new ones. For example, Ocean replaces old renders with new ones that are much prettier. Does he always manage to do it?..... No..... Do you remember the 2 beautiful students who were remodeled? I'm talking about Mila and Victoria who have become like silicone dolls. Mila was unlucky even more she became like the daughter of the Hulk. This topic has been discussed for a long time and everyone says that these girls need to return to their previous appearance. Ocean's log was recently discussed where an old and very beautiful render with Bugatti is removed and a poor quality render is put in place. Is it right to replace the good with the bad? Just discussed a remake where the MC cries for no reason. Here it is necessary either to add the reason for which he cried or to remove this scene. All these comparisons are needed to make the game even better and fix all the strange things.
Nam&Bella&catfight? I don't see a catfight. It would be like heavyweight boxing championship. I can't see those two to fight with teeth and nails...
But... Two tickets for that match, please... And, no, I don't care how much it will cost...
I don’t know whose work this is, AI found it for me.
p.s. If the Blender developers realize their idea in a few years, then it will be possible to give pictures of Bella and Nami and tell the AI to draw how they fight. While you are having breakfast, AI will draw and render itself.
You are right, but this is a slightly different situation. It's not that someone likes the old version of the game, but that the new one should not be worse than the old one. Therefore, they compare the old versions and the new ones. For example, Ocean replaces old renders with new ones that are much prettier. Does he always manage to do it?..... No..... Do you remember the 2 beautiful students who were remodeled? I'm talking about Mila and Victoria who have become like silicone dolls. Mila was unlucky even more she became like the daughter of the Hulk. This topic has been discussed for a long time and everyone says that these girls need to return to their previous appearance. Ocean's log was recently discussed where an old and very beautiful render with Bugatti is removed and a poor quality render is put in place. Is it right to replace the good with the bad? Just discussed a remake where the MC cries for no reason. Here it is necessary either to add the reason for which he cried or to remove this scene. All these comparisons are needed to make the game even better and fix all the strange things. View attachment 2880501View attachment 2880502
I understand perfectly how you feel about this, and I can see that it is difficult for you to let go of the subject. I'm not talking about the visual appearance, because whatever this guy does, it's impressive... And if I understand correctly, there was a reason for the car scene, since it's on the night of the robbery, so he wanted to make it more lifelike... I would answer your last sentence with a question...I wonder how many game developers actually make major changes because of what players call "quirks"?...
That's why I wrote it at the end, let it go - I've already done it and I'm trying to enjoy myself with what I get...
You can find whoever first posted your render without the logo is the culprit. If you want, you can send me your render with the logo and I will replace it. When I search, I don't care if there is a logo in the picture or not.
I don't know what effect of realism can give a blurred scene where nothing is visible. If the MC was very drunk at that moment and Ocean expressed it in this way, then I think you are right.
The story doesn't say that MC's have PTSD. If the author wrote that Summer was killed in front of his eyes, in this case, post-traumatic syndrome on his face. But even so, something must happen to make the MC cry, like when he saw Victoria's eraser.
Show don't tell. While we don't get a medical record of the MC, Ocean does a brilliant job showing that the MC is deeply disturbed. And he doens't cry, he has clearly panic attacks. The cold sweat running in rivers the haunted look, well ok could be food poisening, but I stay with PTSD or something very close. Did you even play the last two updates?
as far as I know, the old version of the game before the rework was created by Regium, which became popular. According to this MC behaves differently. In the new version of Ocean, you have lost the fast-paced plot and actions that reveal the nature of new characters. On the other hand, a lot of unnecessary conversations and actions have appeared that do not make sense like a board game in the library. Therefore, it seems to you that the game has lost all emotions.
They were two when SG and WIAB started, no idea what the other guys name was, it doesn't really matter anymore nowadays. And while it was kinda a boring, comically over the top, falling down in high school version when they made it together it became something WAY better now. The over the top, stupid stuff is all over the place and I am SO thankful that Ocean does something different with his VNs.
And at last: Saying there are no emotions in Oceans SG is wrong on so many levels that I think you skipped most of the story/dialogues.
I will do what most others already do here from now on, because you are either a troll or an unempathic weirdo. Have a nice one.
You can find whoever first posted your render without the logo is the culprit. If you want, you can send me your render with the logo and I will replace it. When I search, I don't care if there is a logo in the picture or not.
Overall it's all the same. You never claimed you made it so it's all good. A few reditards tried stealing art a few times, but didn't work out so well.
Some people just can't swallow the fact that a pirate site has better artists than official discords. Reddit pretty much doesn't have artists, they just post other people's stuff
I don't know what effect of realism can give a blurred scene where nothing is visible. If the MC was very drunk at that moment and Ocean expressed it in this way, then I think you are right.
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Really,you are one of the most laughable and pathetic trolls i have ever seen here,
just grabbing art and images from the internet and sex sites(porno island )
p.s:don't answer back,i won't answer anyway,
but feel free to continue,it's always nice to see toddler-like behavior.
I don't know what effect of realism can give a blurred scene where nothing is visible. If the MC was very drunk at that moment and Ocean expressed it in this way, then I think you are right.
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one is POV without any depth of field, the other one is third person with camera focused on MC and Bella. they are different and I'm not sure I'd call one of them better than the other. one is good for normal PC games where you need to see things as precise as possible, the other is good for "cinematic scenes" where moving things in and out of focus is another way of storytelling
Overall it's all the same. You never claimed you made it so it's all good. A few reditards tried stealing art a few times, but didn't work out so well.
Some people just can't swallow the fact that a pirate site has better artists than official discords. Reddit pretty much doesn't have artists, they just post other people's stuff
Some people just can't swallow the fact that a pirate site has better artists than official discords. Reddit pretty much doesn't have artists, they just post other people's stuff
one is POV without any depth of field, the other one is third person with camera focused on MC and Bella. they are different and I'm not sure I'd call one of them better than the other. one is good for normal PC games where you need to see things as precise as possible, the other is good for "cinematic scenes" where moving things in and out of focus is another way of storytelling
the only thing missing is a random korean girl or Sage avatar but that would make it too easy
I don't know what effect of realism can give a blurred scene where nothing is visible. If the MC was very drunk at that moment and Ocean expressed it in this way, then I think you are right. View attachment 2880827View attachment 2880832
Ok, this is my last comment on this topic... In my opinion, in the first picture we see a beautiful car, for which this could be an advertising photo... And in the second, you can see two crazy young people who want to break into the neighbor's house at night, so no one cares what type car is in the yard... I'm done
Whether you agree with the inclusion or portrayal of panic attacks, Ocean uses them as means to show times of extreme mental anguish - the turmoil the MC is going through as he tries to break out of the cage of his past trauma - and also allows him to show how, in just one weeks' time, the difference Bella can make in the MC's life.
When it comes to the inclusion/portrayal of panic attacks - we will simply have to agree to disagree - hardly a first on this or any F95 thread - and thanks for discussing it!
