VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[Penfold Mole]

Summer is Keyser Söze, I'm certain of it!

 

[Orgitas]

Summer is Keyser Söze, I'm certain of it!

 

[rudy007]

Cousins would also include Kat's children from memory. And because Willi is Wili, there are probably a lot of 'cousins' I was more raising the speculation to show how easy it is to come up with alternate theories.

I think the interesting thing is that on the surface we have a plot where Nika tries to follow social norms and reintegrate with the world, while there is always a hint of mystery that so far has no connection to the plot ie the relevance of the earrings, the Z P and R families lurking like semi mafia bosses controlling *gasp* who gets to play basketball. I'm kinda waiting for Ocean to suckerpunch us with Nika having a boring background, and he was just collateral damage from what happened to Summer. Summer is Keyser Söze, I'm certain of it! But yeah, there's all the main sharks circling with their own goals, far above Nika; as he becomes part of this society by befriending their daughters (well maybe Jeff is Gina's sone I guess? just for the dynastic story approach) I guess he'll stumble over some stuff, like what happened when he and Bella go after Brenda's phone. It'll be interesting to see if the macro dramas are just hinted at, so Ocean can explore those plots in different breakout stories ofter SG. Speculation is not as fun as finding out though.

We just cant know much about characters and their relationships without knowing how WIAB ended.. WIAB's MC could have fuck all girls there and Nami and Bella, Zara, Vanessa, Maja (or any other girls) could be half sisters. Only WIAB's MC dick is the limit...
*I refuse to name him "Will" or SG's character "Nika" because everybody renamed him anyway, so I name him simple MC...

 

[Doomyk]

Summer is Keyser Söze

Hmmm, I don’t know about Summer, but it would be an interesting move if Victoria were in this role. Everyone thinks that she is a weak cripple with an angelic voice and character. And at the end she gets up, lights a cigarette and leaves with a devilish smile.

 

[Turret]

Hmmm, I don’t know about Summer, but it would be an interesting move if Victoria were in this role. Everyone thinks that she is a weak cripple with an angelic voice and character. And at the end she gets up, lights a cigarette and leaves with a devilish smile.

That is something I also speculated with! Few would think that possible, but it has some traction.

 

[codex35]

I still don't understand what if I make big change in WIAB how can this effect SG dynamically
I think this is big issue and hope Ocean handle this

 

[rudy007]

I still don't understand what if I make big change in WIAB how can this effect SG dynamically
I think this is big issue and hope Ocean handle this

Ocean probably has a final state of characters from WIAB in his head. There is no other way to begin another story based on an unfinished story. And I'm pretty sure the Ocean won't tell us even if we eat all the vegetables on the plate...
From now on...

 

[BobTheDuck]

I still don't understand what if I make big change in WIAB how can this effect SG dynamically
I think this is big issue and hope Ocean handle this

My guess is that the canon ending is set, for both WIAB and SG already, and our choices are more how much we discover or understand. Who we chose as a love interest might not affect the canon ending at all, and the time gap between novels allows for any the discrepancies to be glossed over. ie the start and end of the game might be set, and we can make choices in between that, like 95% of games made in any genre. I can't think of any game, even from mainstream studios that has both a plot and completely non-linear choices. Either it's a free roam or there is a plot.

The trick is how to make the plot interesting enough that the choices feel genuine even while leading you through the story. But that the job of a good story teller.

 

[Orgitas]

My guess is that the canon ending is set, for both WIAB and SG already, and our choices are more how much we discover or understand. Who we chose as a love interest might not affect the canon ending at all, and the time gap between novels allows for any the discrepancies to be glossed over. ie the start and end of the game might be set, and we can make choices in between that, like 95% of games made in any genre. I can't think of any game, even from mainstream studios that has both a plot and completely non-linear choices. Either it's a free roam or there is a plot.

The trick is how to make the plot interesting enough that the choices feel genuine even while leading you through the story. But that the job of a good story teller.

Well if Ocean knows anything about writing they would know the beginning, the middle, and end before writing anything else of consequence. From there you weave them all together with everything else.

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

Hmmm, I don’t know about Summer, but it would be an interesting move if Victoria were in this role. Everyone thinks that she is a weak cripple with an angelic voice and character. And at the end she gets up, lights a cigarette and leaves with a devilish smile.

NOOOOOOOOOOOO
Vic is an angelic large breasted sweetheart, she doesn't need to be corrupted and evil. It will ruin 1/3 of my fantasy life. Sasha and Amber being the other 2/3s of my fantasy life.

 

[Doomyk]

NOOOOOOOOOOOO
Vic is an angelic large breasted sweetheart, she doesn't need to be corrupted and evil. It will ruin 1/3 of my fantasy life. Sasha and Amber being the other 2/3s of my fantasy life.

Do you realize that Sasha is perhaps the darkest li, right? And Amber is certainly not an angel. She has her own calculations.

 

[rudy007]

Do you realize that Sasha is perhaps the darkest li, right? And Amber is certainly not an angel. She has her own calculations.

You're partially correct about Amber. She's a sexy high maintenance MILF with, I think, kinky past... But I still like her...

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

Do you realize that Sasha is perhaps the darkest li, right? And Amber is certainly not an angel. She has her own calculations.

Sasha and Amber aren't Vic.
Amber is just hot I can overlook her flaws. Sasha's mysterious darkness is what I like about her.

Vic is sweetness personified and worthy of my protection.

 

[Turret]

My guess is that the canon ending is set, for both WIAB and SG already, and our choices are more how much we discover or understand. Who we chose as a love interest might not affect the canon ending at all, and the time gap between novels allows for any the discrepancies to be glossed over. ie the start and end of the game might be set, and we can make choices in between that, like 95% of games made in any genre. I can't think of any game, even from mainstream studios that has both a plot and completely non-linear choices. Either it's a free roam or there is a plot.

The trick is how to make the plot interesting enough that the choices feel genuine even while leading you through the story. But that the job of a good story teller.

Naturally Ocean has a personal Canon ending for WIAB in the drawer and from this ending SG is being developed. But we players will also get our "personal Canon ending" by playing WIAB. This is one reason so many characters in "Summer´s gone" look like they could be the children of X and Y from WIAB. Ocean does this so that all "Canon endings" which are not Ocean´s main Canon have something in SG to relate to for the players.
For instance, Nami looks very much to be the daughter of Daphne. This might not be the case for the "main canon", but it is a nod to the players canon where the WIAB MC came together with Daphne instead. Likewise for many other characters.

 

[rudy007]

Sasha and Amber aren't Vic.
Amber is just hot I can overlook her flaws. Sasha's mysterious darkness is what I like about her.

Vic is sweetness personified and worthy of my protection.

Sasha is a mysterious dark girl with unknown past. She is naturally untrustworthy or this untruthfulness is only against the MC, we don't know now. But she seams interesting. It's tough to place her for now...

 

[BobTheDuck]

Naturally Ocean has a personal Canon ending for WIAB in the drawer and from this ending SG is being developed. But we players will also get our "personal Canon ending" by playing WIAB. This is one reason so many characters in "Summer´s gone" look like they could be the children of X and Y from WIAB. Ocean does this so that all "Canon endings" which are not Ocean´s main Canon have something in SG to relate to for the players.
For instance, Nami looks very much to be the daughter of Daphne. This might not be the case for the "main canon", but it is a nod to the players canon where the WIAB MC came together with Daphne instead. Likewise for many other characters.

You're right I think; the flexibility makes sense - even if Willi doesn't have a relationship with Daphne, Daphne could have a daughter anyway in the timelapse between the games. So regardless of what the player of WIAB chooses, all the characters can still exist from the same mother at least, without there being any conflicts between a playthough and the canon story. Ayua doesn't even have to be Willi's daughter (though that's the likeliest scenario); Willi could be her stepdad depending on what kinds of infidelities Ocean plans in WIAB.

Sasha is a mysterious dark girl with unknown past. She is naturally untrustworthy or this untruthfulness is only against the MC, we don't know now. But she seams interesting. It's tough to place her for now...

Her family from what I understand is the (P)etrova in the ZPR, which explains her exclusive/reclusive nature (as eveyone would know who her parents are and be careful around her), and her family have a connection with the Zane's, seeing they both have stakes in the university. From what I've understood, her mother is the one that caught Willi's attention as he was going to dinner with Leia in the old WIAB, and in SG she owns the golf club that Amber goes to.

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

Sasha is a mysterious dark girl with unknown past. She is naturally untrustworthy or this untruthfulness is only against the MC, we don't know now. But she seams interesting. It's tough to place her for now...

And?
I don't like characters just because they are all sweetness like Vic. I like characters because they interest me not necessarily because they are 'good'. Sasha is gorgeous, mysterious and fascinates me as a character. I am intrigued where her character sits in the story for now and how Ocean will develop her. That may change as Ocean releases more updates, we shall see. For now she is one of my top 3.

 

[BayouBanga]

How long before this game gets an update ?

 

[Wildehilde]

How long before this game gets an update ?

Bets are open.

 

[soprano31]

How long before this game gets an update ?