Well, yeah. I see all these intertwined threads, plots, arcs in the game and know they are developing. It obviously helps to know a little bit about WIAB to comprehend some of the things in happening in SG. Other than that, I don't think I've needed an out-of-game reveal or explanation by Ocean to understand what's happening in SG (other than understanding some of the German-English).
For me, the biggest helpful takeaway Ocean has stated outside the game is:
I see this happening multiple times in the game already, including Chapter 5 (i.e. things revealed depending if you kissed Nami at the end of Ch 4.5 or visited Nia in Ch 5). I understand the subtleties in the game because of that statement, and know it takes multiple playthroughs to bring those subtleties out. Thus, a player has to put in a lot of EFFORT to explore and understand/comprehend things. So what?
Ocean is trying to peel back the layers of an onion, not reveal the answers to all plot mysteries in Chapter 1.
His approach is fuckin' ambitious, since it leads to complex, cascading variables (and a coding nightmare). I hope he can pull it off (I will never blithely opine that he can't).
Work-in-Progress... enough said. Only two things ultimately matter - can Ocean complete at least a sizeable portion of both games before the heat death of the universe and, if done, will they be polished (spelling/grammar, coding)? No one can truthfully answer that (although many on this forum love to offer their opinion). A couple of things have been constant from the beginning - Ocean has warned the game won't have sex for a long while, and Ocean has laid out his vision for the number of Chapters to the end. If Ocean was a milker, none of this would have been revealed. Is game development (i.e. time between updates) slower than most would like, considering the number of proposed chapters? Hell, yeah! But there are many quality games on this site with slow update cycles.
I get that this game rubs up the Don't-Make-Me-Think-I-Just-Wanna-Quick-Wank brigade the wrong way, especially after the reworks. Fine, there are other games on F95 to turn to.
I get that this game rubs up those enticed by the original darker/taboo game tags the wrong way. Bad luck that happened, seriously. But it's time to move on.
I try many (and by no means all) games on this forum all the time. Some I really like, some I don't. I move on from those I personally don't like.
What I do not do is troll threads of games I don't like all the time, calling the Dev a milker or calling fans of that game 'simps" (While I don't personally go gaga over female characters in AVNs, I don't mock or demean those that do).
There's one game I liked that, at least in my opinion, went downhill after a great start. I offered my criticism to the Dev like an adult and had an exchange of views with them. After that, I moved on.
I like that this thread has contributions from people who don't like the game, provided they are presented rationally and are not low-rent/low-effort barbs. Some make me think, some I might agree with (at least in part), and some I will disagree with.
It's OK to wonder or question if Ocean's approach to production is sustainable or if the games will see an end. It's not OK to pass judgement without valid evidence that Ocean is a milker and that the games WILL never be finished.
Damn reaction limit
There's simply nothing to add. This is probably one of the few games where I'm willing to put in the effort to explore and understand/understand things. Without this attitude, SG is just a set of beautiful renderings and a strange story.
However, this would require Kaite to have known that Nika and Nani were in on it... Nika's participation was only announced to Noji shortly before the trip. There's no way Katie could have known. At most, if Katie assumes that Nika and Nami always travel in pairs.
You're referencing policy on U.S. Steam...the dev is working the VN for German Steam...different policies apparently. It's been a ton of rework hours/months so there must be a gold mine in Steam's German accounts I've never been aware of though....
Being Germany myself, I doubt that the market on steam for this kind of content is really big. And I believe that Ocean can do without this part of its income - if you take the much larger international market as a comparison.
Isn't there an old theory bouncing round that say's Nika is Leia and Williams "forbidden fruit" child and Nami is William and Daphne's child? If so, they'd be half siblings. That'd make Ayua a half sibling as well.
Interesting combination render&text. Is this a clue, a misdirection or am I just reaching here? What if Katie is actually Nika's mother? Right now I'm 99% sure William is the dad, it's the mother I'm not so sure about.
Calculating with imperial is simply atrocious, far too prone to conversion or rounding errors. In mathematics in general or in physics in particular, it can only be a nightmare. It's a miracle that so little happened with the various rocket launches - although I'd hardly assume that metric had already begun to prevail in the scientific field.
Imperial simply has no advantage but far too many silly disadvantages.
Here is the thing, i would be more than stupid to throw money at him. Two games, four years and no considerable progress whatsoever. His Dev logs are basically always the sam excuses in different wording. You can be as gullible as you like, it's your money afterall, but not everyone throws common sense out of the window like many of the fangirls here or his patreons.
Progress? Progress can't be put easy in hard numbers or something similiar.
But if we want nail the progress on render count, take a look at the changelogs. The raw numbers alone should be enough that you choke on your own words. IF we want to go for the render thing.
Storywise there was a big step, a couple of things are revealed. Bella path has progressed, the meet up with Nia was a gut punch.
The game has it's audience, otherwise it would be far more at the bottom of the weighted rating list. Lew/hardcore content would push the game clearly in the top direction.
Ocean made it clear from the beginning where and how the travel goes, he will stick to his guns and no one can change that. When you buy a chainsaw, you are told what it is for, and it is not the seller's problem if you complain that you can't pave a road with it ...
You don't like the game? Well, thats fine, no one can please all. Just move on, but stop bother others with bullshit that has no solid proof.
Gotta agree that Nick is a great character. Almost like a father figure for the MC and Nami. He's willing to take them in, was shrewd enough to recognise when Nika was broken up about leaving home and gave him a relatable story to put him at ease. I think he'll become an important role model for Nika over time and will help in ways that Amber and Nojiko can't. Too many AVNs lack decent male characters, but Nick along with Jeff and Trey are good additions.
The Sasha theories are definitely interesting. After the book club, her past scenes are even more telling and some new context of various interactions appear. I checked through and she show's up during the fight with Sai. Why would she come back to class if it was finished? I also reckon Sasha sent Robin after Nika's freakout in the classroom over the rubber. Robin, Sasha and Ayua definitely know a lot more about Nami and Nika. I have a feeling that Amber's session may have an undercurrent to try to slowly reveal some additional truths to Nika. However, his ability to pay attention and Emilio are both avenues for him to learn the truth on his own...
Yeah... the constant complaining is getting rather annoying. If the update cycle's not something you can cope with, or the rework & changes to the story aren't things you can live with... then why not leave? These grand announcements of how this user won't play the game because of X, and that user hates it because of Y... they're getting quite old. If these things bother you so much, why not leave and scratch Summer's Gone off of your list? Why stay to announce to the world that you decided not to pirate this game? Like omg! Whatever will Oceans do about a random F95 user who decided that they're no longer going to pirate his game??
I honestly get the frustration; some of it is definitely warranted... but some of you need to relax. Find another game to play... or better yet, do something rather than stalking these pages waiting for the right moment to meme about how your grandkids may finally experience the end of this game. Since I'm probably the only girl here right now, I'll say it. It's kind of sad that for some of you, your only comments are about how Oceans is a bad developer, how the development cycle upsets you, or some other flaw of this game. My goodness, find something else to do because seeing so many users add nothing more to the conversation than ripping on the game... gets proper annoying. Often enough, I saw people voicing their praise for the game, saying how much they love this and can't wait for that, and some of you guys will show up(out of nowhere) and go out of your way to kill their joy for the game. It's literally crazy how some of you will go out of your way to do this kind of stuff. Hundreds of games on this site, and you choose to spend your time annoying people in SG's thread. That's... kind of sad
Some of you will hate me for this(if you don't already), but I'll say it anyway. Some of these critique/review posts seem disingenuous... almost as if some people came here just to complain. The last few pages have been 70% made up of people complaining that they'll never see the end of this game and the fact that Oceans will rework this game to death. If you truly believe that, truly believe that Oceans will never improve and genuinely believe that Ocean's pace will stay the same forever... leave. If you think honestly that Oceans is out to rework this game every single season... leave. Save yourselves the heartache. This thread can do without all of the extra negativityღ
This game is clearly one of the best I have played in the ren'py category.
Yes the updates are long but I think the wait is always rewarding by the work provided by the devlopeur at the level of the story and the rendering of the game.
Have you noticed that the outline of Zara’s mother’s figure resembles Dana, especially her tummy.....I would have said earlier, but after I got burned with the theory about Summer, I don’t trust the previews so much anymore.
Yes,Sasha say that maybe he deserved punishment.Dialog will be different if you don't kiss Bella.Some people though that this was because Sasha could have some grudge against Bella.My though that Sasha thinks that Nika deserves punishment not because that he kiss Bella,but because HE kiss someone and if it was someone else Sasha would still say that he deserves.
From the many hints in the game, I think Sasha and Bella's sister are friends, it's obvious. Both Sasha's scar and Bella's sister's coma are connected.
Have you noticed that the outline of Zara’s mother’s figure resembles Dana, especially her tummy.....I would have said earlier, but after I got burned with the theory about Summer, I don’t trust the previews so much anymore.
However, this would require Kaite to have known that Nika and Nani were in on it... Nika's participation was only announced to Noji shortly before the trip. There's no way Katie could have known. At most, if Katie assumes that Nika and Nami always travel in pairs.
From the many hints in the game, I think Sasha and Bella's sister are friends, it's obvious. Both Sasha's scar and Bella's sister's coma are connected.
Everybody knows everybody in this story, except Nami who is apparently oblivious of everything. Nothing is hinting anything about Sasha's scar and about Bella's sister.
The Sasha theories are definitely interesting. After the book club, her past scenes are even more telling and some new context of various interactions appear. I checked through and she show's up during the fight with Sai. Why would she come back to class if it was finished? I also reckon Sasha sent Robin after Nika's freakout in the classroom over the rubber. Robin, Sasha and Ayua definitely know a lot more about Nami and Nika. I have a feeling that Amber's session may have an undercurrent to try to slowly reveal some additional truths to Nika. However, his ability to pay attention and Emilio are both avenues for him to learn the truth on his own...
The mod so badass it apparently can't be listed in the OP!
By request: Includes the original Jacuzzi scene (found within SanchoGallery) and other miscellaneous scene reversions.
Changlelog:
Fixed every single bug I could find and reported the most critical ones to the dev directly.
Fixed the dev's missing images and wrong images during gameplay... but I didn't fix the stock gallery. Use SanchoGallery instead, that'll get you done.
Added missing sounds and music as necessary.
Reverted some old content back to their original more lewd variants. NOTE: The original full Jacuzzi scene is included inside SanchoGallery, the one shown during playthrough remains the dev's new edited version. This is intentional.
So many minor tweaks I can't even begin to log them all.
Please enjoy. Mod core is updated to the latest v7b with even more features. I hope you find at least one feature beneficial to your experience. Remember absolutely everything can be toggled on/off as desired and on the fly. Complete information and exhaustive previews can be found on the mod's thread (simply click the banner above). Regards and be well.
Just a reminder for those who wish to play unmodded but want to use the "patch" file... I've got your back too.
SanchoMod Unmodded Fix #1 (for those getting exception error right before the beginning of Ch5's content)here
SanchoMod Unmodded Fix #2 (for those getting exception error in Ch3 due to the phone message app not having images)here
If you want the full bugfixes and features then just use SanchoMod... I fixed even more images, sounds, and music within it and even reverted some scenes back to their original non-edited versions.
Just a friendly reminder that all of this dropped late last night (posts get buried extremely fast in this thread and folks may not know since these aren't in the VN's OP)
Yeah well, usually the father figure is killed of pretty much at the starting line and the best buddy is a completly moron so that insecure fellows don't feel NTRed or something.
Just a friendly reminder that all of this dropped late last night (posts get buried extremely fast in this thread and folks may not know since these aren't in the VN's OP)
