The awkward look between Adriana & Sasha seem to hint at both of them being the offspring of William. And most people think so is Nika and/or Nami. So it's not entirely out of the possibility that Sasha not just knew of, but knew Nika and/or Nami from a time when they were much much younger.
I posted a few images in this thread before, a collection where Sasha is constantly looking at Nika in the background, and how it focuses in a way that it let us now she's always observing them.
There's also an scene where Sasha approaches Nami and is about to ask her about the ring, but Ayua realizes this and interrupts both of them by climbing onto Sasha's back. Of course, she's not amused by this, but it seems like Ayua was making sure she didn't tell Nami something she wasn't supposed to.
Sasha definitely knows something, the question is what and to what extent.
I posted a few images in this thread before, a collection where Sasha is constantly looking at Nika in the background, and how it focuses in a way that it let us now she's always observing them.
There's also an scene where Sasha approaches Nami and is about to ask her about the ring, but Ayua realizes this and interrupts both of them by climbing onto Sasha's back. Of course, she's not amused by this, but it seems like Ayua was making sure she didn't tell Nami something she wasn't supposed to.
Sasha definitely knows something, the question is what and to what extent.
Good take, I never looked at this scene from such an angle that Ayua distracted Sasha on purpose so that Sasha would not say too much to Nami or vice versa.
I would argue that DPC became popular because he's delivered a damn fine and popular game, irregardless of his promises. He also had the pedigree of having completed a game, despite how much that game rubbed many people up the wrong way.
In essence, SG and BAD are very similar, the biggest difference between them is that in one game the MC is normal and in the other he pretends to be impotent. It's not about experience, it's about attitude and trust.
Simply comparing render counts is rather disingenuous. DPC has the setup and work flow that works for him. Personally (as a trained photographer), I think his overall render image quality is MUCH lower than Ocean's. If I were to fault Ocean, he tries to be a visual perfectionist. I cannot comment further because I don't know DPC's rendering setup or if he codes everything himself.
Here you were wrong in 2 cases.
1- On the contrary, comparing the number of renders is the fairest comparison. This is how Patreon works, you work quickly and get a lot of money. Imagine that Ocean is working on one game at the pace of the DPC, then by this moment not the 5th chapter but the 20th chapter was released. Do you think after this, Ocean’s popularity would have remained the same or grown like DPC’s? I think the answer is obvious.
2- Ocean is not a perfectionist, he is a commercial artist. A perfectionist would never allow his work to be ruined because of music.
I read a discussion in which fans were arguing about whether DPC would introduce new textures into the game. These textures should have greatly improved his renders. As far as I understand, he will not do this, otherwise he will have to redo the entire game.
Good take, I never looked at this scene from such an angle that Ayua distracted Sasha on purpose so that Sasha would not say too much to Nami or vice versa.
And the new chapter made me reconsider Sasha’s scenes. I had thoughts about this before, but somehow everything was tense. 1. A reminder that Nika may be quite good at reading people, but a lack of information or some minor detail can change everything. Like the first memory of Summer, Nika then assumed that it was Summer who turned away from Nami, but in fact it was was in Nika. So both scenes with Sasha give me the same feeling. What if Bella was just an excuse to call Nika to the gym? Robin somehow quickly brushes off the conversation with about Bella. And also the scene with the handcuffs. Everyone knows that if you follow the path of Bella’s route, Sasha will say that maybe he deserves it. Many on the forum then suggested that Sasha had a grudge against Bella. What if the phrase was precisely because of the kiss and it doesn’t matter whether Bella or any other girl and it was about Nick himself?
Sure... let's quickly tell the audience exactly what happened in one of the most importat plot parts of the game right at the start. That will surely keep them interested, right?
"What is your name? Good. Summer was raped by magic aliens... or so she thought, she was just super high after smoking the intro flowers." second picture.. "but the real trajedy was when she joined Disney's Star Wars development team. She was trully dead for MC then" Picture three.
Such a fantastic idea, really. I think 6th sense movie should have done the same and tell you from moment zero Bruce Willis is dead.
Now - given that we are coming up on Halloween in the U.S. - how about that dream within a dream sequence in An American Werewolf in London? That was one hell of a good jump scare for me and I Never told friends about it who saw it later... partly because I wanted to see how high they jumped when they saw that scene for the first time.
Mystery is Good, so long as the story leaves enough bread crumbs to keep up the interest and, ultimately, gives us resolution by the end, IMO.
I think Ocean is doing a great job with this.
It is one of the reasons why I love the book club scene so much - there are hints about many different things going on in SG!
And yes - I reached my reaction limit before 5 AM my time...
Good take, I never looked at this scene from such an angle that Ayua distracted Sasha on purpose so that Sasha would not say too much to Nami or vice versa.
I think Bella is going to ruin Mario's car with Mc or without Mc
Probabily While Bella runs away from the scene with Mc or without Mc lt is seen by thou Mila who then Mila is caught by cameras while walking in the area.
Maybe he was going to Zara house?
in the elaborations of episode 2?
Mehh, this is that fucking moment in a film/book/game, etc., when a character begins to tell something very important, the viewer is in anticipation and then someone abruptly breaks off the dialogue, everyone abruptly forgets about the conversation and you sit alone and freak out. I hate this move.
[...] Everyone knows that if you follow the path of Bella’s route, Sasha will say that maybe he deserves it. Many on the forum then suggested that Sasha had a grudge against Bella. What if the phrase was precisely because of the kiss and it doesn’t matter whether Bella or any other girl and it was about Nick himself?
Not sure if I follow, you mean that Sasha wanted to say that Nika deserve to be kissed?
Well this is an interesting way to read this dialog
sas "And?"
rob "She'll (Bella) get him."
sas "They (Bella and the MC) won't be happy."
rob "I don't care. He didn't deserve it. (Don't deserve what? Be separated from Bella?)"
sas "Maybe he does..."
But I'm going with the classic interpretation that Sasha means that Zara and Nadia won't be happy that Robin ratted them out, and that the MC deserves to be punished for what he did to them.
If this was 90% + of the AVNs here on F95 - The MC would be actively working to ensure Noji kicked Nick to the curb because the MC is 'supposed' to have mom for himself.
In Summers Gone - I like Nick - and given that he opens his house up to Noji, Nami and the MC as soon as Noji asks for help - that means something.
The MC has always been very protective of Noji and Nami. It would be in keeping with his character for him to be supportive of Noji's relationship with Nick so long as Nick gives him no reason to doubt his good intentions.
I think having parental figures that actually act like decent people is a plus for storytelling and world-building in Summers Gone.
Nick is the only decent male role model we've met so far.
I am curious how long it will take for Nick to have a talk with the MC about he and Zara (once their feelings evolve and that LI path is open and pursued). That would be a good Dad move and fit the story based on what we know so far.
I'm sure some of the haters/trolls on this thread would complain about it - given how Un porn-like it is - but I am happy to support Ocean as he tells this story his way.
Thanks bro for this post, it's nice to know that someone else sees the same things in the game that I do. Exactly what I wanted to share, but was afraid to write.
But yeah, probably my biggest criticism of the author is that at this stage, in order to fully accept and immerse myself in his story, I need to read and remember the comments the author left on the forum or in the Discord. The content that is outside of the game. Everything else seems small, minor inconsistencies in the plot due to reworking the game, typos, coding errors, all this has little effect on the overall impression of the game, at least for me.
Sometimes I had to stop, take a deep breath and repeat to myself that this is still a work in progress, the story has not even reached the halfway point (32 chapters, huh?) And then I recall another hint from the author, that many things that are incomprehensible now will become clear much later in the plot or even acquire a completely different meaning in the context of information from later chapters. Examples of the last statement has already begun to appear in the game. What do you think now of the scene where Nojiko and Amber introducing to each other before the MC's very first therapy session, given that we know now that they knew each other long before that moment? The old hags are performing an act in front of the MC, for what reason?
Putting that aside, sometimes I feel like the guy you were responding to, I just want to scream, “What the fuck are you talking about, Ocean?” when reading some of the conversations between characters or seeing some set of disjointed scenes. But I don't do this because not every story is linear and not every addition to it contains enough information to understand it in the context of the entire story. In the first season, the author mostly scatters pieces of the puzzle, and I think he will begin to put them together into the overall picture much later. But what if... what if we knew from the start that Tyler was Edward Norton?
Well, yeah. I see all these intertwined threads, plots, arcs in the game and know they are developing. It obviously helps to know a little bit about WIAB to comprehend some of the things in happening in SG. Other than that, I don't think I've needed an out-of-game reveal or explanation by Ocean to understand what's happening in SG (other than understanding some of the German-English).
For me, the biggest helpful takeaway Ocean has stated outside the game is:
I see this happening multiple times in the game already, including Chapter 5 (i.e. things revealed depending if you kissed Nami at the end of Ch 4.5 or visited Nia in Ch 5). I understand the subtleties in the game because of that statement, and know it takes multiple playthroughs to bring those subtleties out. Thus, a player has to put in a lot of EFFORT to explore and understand/comprehend things. So what?
Ocean is trying to peel back the layers of an onion, not reveal the answers to all plot mysteries in Chapter 1.
His approach is fuckin' ambitious, since it leads to complex, cascading variables (and a coding nightmare). I hope he can pull it off (I will never blithely opine that he can't).
Work-in-Progress... enough said. Only two things ultimately matter - can Ocean complete at least a sizeable portion of both games before the heat death of the universe and, if done, will they be polished (spelling/grammar, coding)? No one can truthfully answer that (although many on this forum love to offer their opinion). A couple of things have been constant from the beginning - Ocean has warned the game won't have sex for a long while, and Ocean has laid out his vision for the number of Chapters to the end. If Ocean was a milker, none of this would have been revealed. Is game development (i.e. time between updates) slower than most would like, considering the number of proposed chapters? Hell, yeah! But there are many quality games on this site with slow update cycles.
I get that this game rubs up the Don't-Make-Me-Think-I-Just-Wanna-Quick-Wank brigade the wrong way, especially after the reworks. Fine, there are other games on F95 to turn to.
I get that this game rubs up those enticed by the original darker/taboo game tags the wrong way. Bad luck that happened, seriously. But it's time to move on.
I try many (and by no means all) games on this forum all the time. Some I really like, some I don't. I move on from those I personally don't like.
What I do not do is troll threads of games I don't like all the time, calling the Dev a milker or calling fans of that game 'simps" (While I don't personally go gaga over female characters in AVNs, I don't mock or demean those that do).
There's one game I liked that, at least in my opinion, went downhill after a great start. I offered my criticism to the Dev like an adult and had an exchange of views with them. After that, I moved on.
I like that this thread has contributions from people who don't like the game, provided they are presented rationally and are not low-rent/low-effort barbs. Some make me think, some I might agree with (at least in part), and some I will disagree with.
It's OK to wonder or question if Ocean's approach to production is sustainable or if the games will see an end. It's not OK to pass judgement without valid evidence that Ocean is a milker and that the games WILL never be finished.
Not sure if I follow, you mean that Sasha wanted to say that Nika deserve to be kissed?
Well this is an interesting way to read this dialog
But I'm going with the classic interpretation that Sasha means that Zara and Nadia won't be happy that Robin ratted them out, and that the MC deserves to be punished for what he did to them.
Yes,Sasha say that maybe he deserved punishment.Dialog will be different if you don't kiss Bella.Some people though that this was because Sasha could have some grudge against Bella.My though that Sasha thinks that Nika deserves punishment not because that he kiss Bella,but because HE kiss someone and if it was someone else Sasha would still say that he deserves.
In essence, SG and BAD are very similar, the biggest difference between them is that in one game the MC is normal and in the other he pretends to be impotent. It's not about experience, it's about attitude and trust.
Here you were wrong in 2 cases.
1- On the contrary, comparing the number of renders is the fairest comparison. This is how Patreon works, you work quickly and get a lot of money. Imagine that Ocean is working on one game at the pace of the DPC, then by this moment not the 5th chapter but the 20th chapter was released. Do you think after this, Ocean’s popularity would have remained the same or grown like DPC’s? I think the answer is obvious.
2- Ocean is not a perfectionist, he is a commercial artist. A perfectionist would never allow his work to be ruined because of music.
I read a discussion in which fans were arguing about whether DPC would introduce new textures into the game. These textures should have greatly improved his renders. As far as I understand, he will not do this, otherwise he will have to redo the entire game.
Some fair points, and I understand what you're saying. I play another popular game on this site (started at the same time as SG) where the updates take a year or more and where the sexy-time payoff took a very long time (with a lot of teasing before that). That game is still progressing and going strong. BTW, the Dev of that game receives the exact same accusations and crap that Ocean gets here.
I understand what Ocean is trying to do and I see the ways he is trying to get there (within his means and ability). I admire that he is sticking to his guns and vision. I admire that he hasn't said, aw, fuck it! and given up.
If, in a year-and-a-half, SG has gone nowhere or his abandoned, then your remarks were prescient. If, in a year-and-a-half, we have some sexy-time payoff and continued plot progression, then your words were a rush-to-judgement. Time will tell...
The render quality of Being ADIK is around the same as AL, and no where near the best, compared to many other games on this site. The render quality of the reworked SG is VASTLY superior to the original SG.
"In essence, SG and BAD are very similar, the biggest difference between them is that in one game the MC is normal and in the other he pretends to be impotent. It's not about experience, it's about attitude and trust."
OK, what has differences in plot between the two games have to do with the Dev's attitude and trust? That makes absolutely no sense. Trust? Ocean has been upfront since taking SG back over - the slow burn/no sexual content disclaimer has been in there for years.
"...pretends to be impotent." Sorry, it's not worth commenting on that statement.
Being ADIK is an American-Pie-esque bonk-fest that ticks the right boxes for many people. DPC could halve the render count per update and the game would still be popular.
SG is a story-driven slow-burn that also ticks the right boxes for many people.
I don't know, it's possible I guess, but I think it would have been easier to just find the MC and/or Nami a proper foster family. There's also the fact that there's no way to hide the pregnancy, so even if you are right, people would have already known Leia or Katie were pregnant and if people knew then why not jut keep the child. They wouldn't necessarily have to announce to the world who the father was. To be honest though, incest just overcomplicates things, that's why I think the non incest version of the WIAB story will be canon. That way, William can be in a proper relationship with either Leia or Katie without absolutely ruining his family's name. I guess it will depend on the canon ending of WIAB and who William stayed with. The most likely scenario right now is that he is with either Miru or Leia.
Now that I typed all this though, I just realized there's no way either game will include incest or even a hint of it(when it comes to the MC and LI's). Patreon is one thing, but there's also Steam which I believe is even more strict when it comes to things like this. So this means that the MC and Nami can't be siblings and while Nami might secretly be a Zane, the MC cannot since Ayua is a LI(and also a Zane). Unless of course Ayua is William's daughter only by name, but that being canon would enrage WIAB fans no doubt, so I think we can forget about that one.
Whatever the case is, it'll have impact once it's revealled. I think the situation with the bookclub will open that up, as all thes gossipy drunkards start going over old history
I take it you get your rocks off making smarmy comments in threads for games you don't like and have no interest in.
You don't like the game, good for you.
"Clearly Ocean makes the most boring and unappealing shit I have ever seen". ...again, good for you. However, that doesn't mean the rest of the world has to agree with you. It doesn't make those that disagree with you Simps, either.
"...milk them well." ...ahh, the usual low-rent comeback. Developers of games people don't like are automatically milkers. Developers who don't offer instant sexual gratification are automatically milkers.
If you come up with a well thought-out argument to back up your rhetoric, I might actually listen.
Multiple remakes? How about one overall remake since Ocean took back control of the game. Modifying, replacing, or deleting scenes for compliance reasons isn't remaking the game, it's modifying the game. I can think of several developers who had to modify their games due to the music licensing fiasco, and several more who had to modify their games to comply with Patreon. Those weren't remakes.
"...but a VN without history, without arcs, without structure, is a waste of time."
Dude! This VN has overlapping history in the form of another game - a prequel of sorts - WIAB!
Without arcs? Did you actually play and read the VN or just skip looking for lewds?
- Many of the main characters are revealed to be broken or traumatized and they have arcs dealing with that fact.
- The MC, Summer, and dealing with his trauma. This is ongoing. Summer comes up throughout the game. The MC has an upcoming therapy session at the cabin with Amber. The MC has resolved to ask mysterious fix-it man Emilio about Summer. The MC found Summer's cousin Elsa on social media, after running into her at a restaurant, and resolved to join the social app for that reason. In CH 5, Nia's past relationship with Summer is revealed. The game has many Summer flashbacks.
- The MC and Nami's past, both in terms of who they are (Katie Zane's interest in them and Nojiko's apparent shielding of them) and their own interpersonal relationship.
- Bella, her trauma, and her comatose sister.
-Vic's paralysis and therapy. Marla's response to causing the accident that paralyised Vic.
- The MC and Bella's revenge plots against the Holgersons and Cerils. The dynamic this has on the MC's relationship with Vanessa.
-Bella's past with members of the Ceril family.
-mysterious Sasha... there's so much going on there. Her own past and trauma, her relationship with Bella (why is she working behind the scenes to look out for Bella), her ability to be there at times when the MC needs help (walking in on the MC's fight, getting Robin to phone Marla for help, helping the MC with a panic attack, etc)
-The MC and other characters trying out for and competing at basketball. The inter-college basketball competition.
-The MC training with both Ayua and Zara in prep for basketball.
-Opposition basketball coach Genevieve Coate and her implied relationship (mother) with dwarf Damien.
-The fantasy role-playing games, both tabletop and at 'The Farm'. Both locations are stated to be mechanisms to explore fantasy sex with otherwise inaccessible characters.
-The book club and it's power dynamics, it's link to Nojiko's past that she's carefully hidden from the MC and Nami.
-The MC's romantic relationships with (so far) Bella, Nami, Victoria, and Mila (depending on choices made).
These are just story arcs that immediately come to mind. There is a lot going on, even if you don't comprehend it.
I posted a few images in this thread before, a collection where Sasha is constantly looking at Nika in the background, and how it focuses in a way that it let us now she's always observing them.
There's also an scene where Sasha approaches Nami and is about to ask her about the ring, but Ayua realizes this and interrupts both of them by climbing onto Sasha's back. Of course, she's not amused by this, but it seems like Ayua was making sure she didn't tell Nami something she wasn't supposed to.
Sasha definitely knows something, the question is what and to what extent.
And the new chapter made me reconsider Sasha’s scenes. I had thoughts about this before, but somehow everything was tense. 1. A reminder that Nika may be quite good at reading people, but a lack of information or some minor detail can change everything. Like the first memory of Summer, Nika then assumed that it was Summer who turned away from Nami, but in fact it was was in Nika. So both scenes with Sasha give me the same feeling. What if Bella was just an excuse to call Nika to the gym? Robin somehow quickly brushes off the conversation with about Bella. And also the scene with the handcuffs. Everyone knows that if you follow the path of Bella’s route, Sasha will say that maybe he deserves it. Many on the forum then suggested that Sasha had a grudge against Bella. What if the phrase was precisely because of the kiss and it doesn’t matter whether Bella or any other girl and it was about Nick himself?
The whole Sasha thing is infuriating - I can't make out the dynamics around her. First she's silent but stalky, like when she and her gang sit at Nika's table before he knows them, Sasha presumably sending her redhaired friend to check Nika's okay, the way she protects his head when he falls, getting help to free Nika from the handcuffs, things like that. But then there is the vindictive side of her. I wonder if she knew Summer also - if Elsa was dining at the same restaurant as the upperclass, chances are Summer moved in the same social circles as the Z P and R's. The Holgersons do, and wasn't it the same restaurant that Leia liked in pre rework WiaB where we saw Sasha's mum? So the chances of them all knowing Summer in some way are there. It's Nika and Nami who are outsiders, everyone else seems in on the deal. If Sasha knew summer, and her scar is in any way related to events around Summer's disappearance, that might explain her hot and cold nature towards Nika. I'm reaching, but it's a possibility I think. It does seem likely that Ayua and Sasha have more knowledge than they have let on, given how they are both representing major families, and they both have taken interest in Nika on a plot level. And what's up with the white hair think Sasha makes Ayua do? Makes me wonder about the interconnections between the great houses, and their times of the troubles. This part of the story is fascinating to me.
If this was 90% + of the AVNs here on F95 - The MC would be actively working to ensure Noji kicked Nick to the curb because the MC is 'supposed' to have mom for himself.
In Summers Gone - I like Nick - and given that he opens his house up to Noji, Nami and the MC as soon as Noji asks for help - that means something.
The MC has always been very protective of Noji and Nami. It would be in keeping with his character for him to be supportive of Noji's relationship with Nick so long as Nick gives him no reason to doubt his good intentions.
I think having parental figures that actually act like decent people is a plus for storytelling and world-building in Summers Gone.
Nick is the only decent male role model we've met so far.
I am curious how long it will take for Nick to have a talk with the MC about he and Zara (once their feelings evolve and that LI path is open and pursued). That would be a good Dad move and fit the story based on what we know so far.
I'm sure some of the haters/trolls on this thread would complain about it - given how Un porn-like it is - but I am happy to support Ocean as he tells this story his way.
Yeah, I like the idea of a wholesome non dead male, there's enough paths already, let one single NPC dad figure in the history of AVN's have a happy life.
Clearly Ocean makes the most boring and unappealing shit I have ever seen. The multiple remakes do not help his case.
Worst may be his army of simps that consider this to be some wonderpiece. With all of them doing the total on his dick in his safe space. There's zero chance that the guy will change. Can't believe ayo342 suggested in his review that more people should waste money for his endless holidays or new materials. No thanks! Keep your pigeons Ocean and milk them well. Those "slow individuals" deserve it for still supporting you after 5 years of your bullshit.
Spending your time on this thread, talking smack about a dev while complaining that he "makes the most boring and unappealing shit" you have ever seen.
So - since you Obviously played the latest chapter release of Summers Gone:
What did you like about it?
What, specifically, did you dislike about it?
Are you telling me you can find No redeeming qualities about Anything to do with Summers Gone?
What are you looking for in an AVN?
If what you want in an AVN is not here - then why stay?
It is not uncommon to have a genuine discussion about an AVN you choose time to comment on, right?
I am happy to support Ocean - I think SG is a great AVN and it is top tier for me.
I have made many posts on this thread sharing what I enjoy as well as what I feel needs work.
Since SG is Clearly not top tier for you - what are some AVNs that are?
If you are uncertain about responding with specific AVN names on this thread, just add them to your profile - it is free advertising for devs who you enjoy so - no harm - right?
So, you have a choice - discuss Summers Gone or rant about the dev and how other adults choose to spend their $ and time.
