VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

Mortarion · Dec 4, 2023

Doomyk said:
It seems to me that redoing renders is only one side of this problem. The main problem is reworking personalities and events as the game progresses. For example, the same Mila. When I followed her path, it was a bit boring, exactly until the moment in the morning at Vicky’s house, when she aggressively says that she’s tired of watching and being left on the sidelines (on Bella’s path). I was just surprised and a little interested. The wolf showed her fangs a little. And the question immediately arose, why didn’t you fight before? Even in the scene in the gym, when Bella *marked* her territory, Mila simply tucked her tail and ran away. And the answer is simple - during the reworking of the game, the story became less grim and now dirty battles and dramatic moves are less accessible. And this is sad, because the example of Bella + Nami is one of the most interesting in the game. As well as the fact that the dev is very careful with romance of the best friends or even relatives of those who love the main character. Starting from Aya and Robin and even ending with Victoria’s sister. As if in real life it’s not that friends and even best friends don’t take away their loved ones, don’t cheat with them, or even their closest relatives don’t do the same? As if the situation where Vicky’s sister fell in love with Nika and took him away, not caring about her sister’s feelings, is unrealistic? Does this never happen in real life?
And this is only one part of the problem. The other is trying to balance and reworking characters if they are not popular. Take Nia for example. In the latest update, the character has obviously changed a lot, there are even plans to completely change her job to please the viewer. I didn’t really like the fact that she was a webcam girl at first and I didn’t consider her as a love interest, but I had nothing against her screen time. She contrasted with many characters and her manner of saying whatever came to mind without thinking about where and with whom was funny. But with the changes, she is still not interesting to me as a love interest, but will she be interesting as a character, after removing her individuality is a question for the future. Or for example Mila, she used to be an onlyfans model, in the last chapter she is a businesswoman and is engaged in sales. Such small and large changes are visible with many characters and this is not for the better. Take away everything that we love or hate in the character and this is unlikely to add popularity to the audience, but it can easily destroy the character himself. The developer just needs to understand that not all characters are of equal value in the eyes of the audience. Each character has their own strengths and weaknesses. Each has their own personality. For obvious reasons, all sorts of crazy chicks/psycho or queens will be more popular than quiet and gray mice. For obvious reasons, prostitutes, strippers and camgirls won't become everyone's favorites. But that doesn't mean you have to change them. Yes, they won't be love interests, but their storyline can be cool. And by changing a character, you can easily kill the storyline and not add interest to the audience.

Ray_D · Dec 4, 2023

Mortarion said:
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Summary: Ocean is a time bomb and when it explodes the game will go with it to oblivion. everyone praise the god of the remake.

Mortarion · Dec 4, 2023

Krytax123 said:
Are the assets written off for 10 years too? Thought they are a shorter time and he was only talking about expensive music licences?

Hard to say, like all things here in germany the are lists for this kind of use - called

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. These lists set out which goods can be deducted from tax over a maximum period of time. For example, a lawnmower can be depreciated at 50% over two years or a diesel locomotive over ten years.

I didn't see anything really helpful in the tables regarding hardware and/or software, but additional notes suggest that these things can only be deducted for a maximum of one year. But the tax advisor should know that best.

PaxHadrian17 · Dec 4, 2023

turbojoe said:
Ending 2nd playthrough I´m a little confused: instead of 1st playthrough I avoided to join Bella for the housebreaking at Holgersons - I didn´t like to load the MC with real criminal acting and also wanted to avert any suspicious facts against Mila.
But surprise: later on the same discussions followed as if the burglery has happened

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Did Bella make the raid alone???
She never talked about it.....................

This is a major part of the CH 2 rework that Ocean is currently doing. The dev log posted about this on Nov 29 showed changes to renders and more (I'll post some of that dev log below).

Ocean is also working on finishing up continuity work and I suspect that this includes what happens to the MC if he does not show up at Bella's that night for the raid on the Holgersons.

Dev log (Nov 29, 2023):

The Bella heist night from Chapter 2 is done.

Just to give you an idea of how much longer that scene is:

Old Chapter 2: 77 Renders

New Chapter 2: 234 renders

The heist night has tripled in size.

(new images already posted)

But... will the night end after the heist?

The heirloom Bella and the MC steal now have a separate scene too.

(new images already posted)

We will also get the updated aftermath of the heist - Noji's punishment if the MC went to Bella's and Nami ratted on him.

All of this is part of Ocean's work to release SG on Steam - which will happen after CH 5 Full is released.

Cheers!!

JJ1960 · Dec 4, 2023

Mortarion said:
Hard to say, like all things here in germany the are lists for this kind of use - called
You must be registered to see the links
. These lists set out which goods can be deducted from tax over a maximum period of time. For example, a lawnmower can be depreciated at 50% over two years or a diesel locomotive over ten years.

I didn't see anything really helpful in the tables regarding hardware and/or software, but additional notes suggest that these things can only be deducted for a maximum of one year. But the tax advisor should know that best.

I don't know how it is in Germany but in the US durable goods are depreciated over the expected life of the good before repairs become more costly than a replacement or it becomes outdated. For instance, desktop computers and certain tools are typically depreciated over 3 years; a car or truck used by a business depreciates over 5 or 6 years, office furniture over 7 years. Depreciation on non-durable goods such as software is usually tied to the life of the device it's used on. I would expect the depreciation of music licenses falls under some weird category since not a lot of businesses purchase those, though there may be case law for when some mega company purchased the music library from another one and tried to write the cost off in a short duration though profits from expected sales were going to go on for some time. Ocean may just be the victim of a bad bureaucratic legal interpretation from when his tax professional called and asked someone.

Doomyk · Dec 4, 2023

About the first meeting Nojiko and Amber. As we already know, they knew each other before. But what Nika has not yet noticed is that Nojiko first greeted Miss Marla, purely *accidentally* confused her with Amber. And Marla has the same facial expression as Amber, and later, in the book club, Nika. Which suggests that Marla and Najiko could know each other.

PaxHadrian17 · Dec 4, 2023

I am enjoying how the MC/Bella relationship is evolving.

We'll have more Bella/MC in the as yet unpublished reworking of the remainder of CH 2.

The early part of CH 5 does a great job showing where the MC and Bella are in their body language and then in their words:

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They have ghosts that are riding with them - the ghosts of who they were before they met. They now find comfort and joy with each other but there is the justifiable concern they will both continue to revert back to their habitual behavior - the too aggressive and cutting words designed to 'Win at all costs' - which is not working for the 'we' that they are building.

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Bella and the MC agree to a relationship with no commitment to each other - no strings attached.

Their level of comfort with each other and their body language towards each other say, however, that there Are already strings attached - by both conscious choice and - IMO - unconscious desire/need.

I'm looking forward to their first time together at Bella's house where a very observant Amber will definitely note the growth of the MC and Bella as a couple.

I can imagine some interesting conversations between Bella and Amber as well as a Very interesting car ride when Amber drives the MC to the cabin.

Cheers!!

turbojoe · Dec 5, 2023

PaxHadrian17 said:
I am enjoying how the MC/Bella relationship is evolving.

We'll have more Bella/MC in the as yet unpublished reworking of the remainder of CH 2.

The early part of CH 5 does a great job showing where the MC and Bella are in their body language and then in their words:

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They have ghosts that are riding with them - the ghosts of who they were before they met. They now find comfort and joy with each other but there is the justifiable concern they will both continue to revert back to their habitual behavior - the too aggressive and cutting words designed to 'Win at all costs' - which is not working for the 'we' that they are building.

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Bella and the MC agree to a relationship with no commitment to each other - no strings attached.

Their level of comfort with each other and their body language towards each other say, however, that there Are already strings attached - by both conscious choice and - IMO - unconscious desire/need.

I'm looking forward to their first time together at Bella's house where a very observant Amber will definitely note the growth of the MC and Bella as a couple.

I can imagine some interesting conversations between Bella and Amber as well as a Very interesting car ride when Amber drives the MC to the cabin.

Cheers!!

Nice summary of how this muddled relationship is growing

Anyway I guess the game will us make believe the MC and Bella are made for each other, but already they didn´t recognize this irrefutable fact.

A little drawback of this story is, that the MC is so intensively pushed into Bella from beginning, so it´s hard to follow another relationship path despite there are so many beautiful and interesting girls around.
At the end of chap 5 another serious challenger popped out of the box unexpected: Zara - a comparable character to Bella.
I´m curious how this interesting relationship will develop in the upcoming chapters.........

John972 · Dec 5, 2023

turbojoe said:
Nice summary of how this muddled relationship is growing

Anyway I guess the game will us make believe the MC and Bella are made for each other, but already they didn´t recognize this irrefutable fact.

A little drawback of this story is, that the MC is so intensively pushed into Bella from beginning, so it´s hard to follow another relationship path despite there are so many beautiful and interesting girls around.
At the end of chap 5 another serious challenger popped out of the box unexpected: Zara - a comparable character to Bella.
I´m curious how this interesting relationship will develop in the upcoming chapters.........

Season 1 is Bella-centric, BUT...

you can avoid any romantic entanglement with her and pursue other LIs perfectly fine, if you make the right choices. I've got saves on multiple paths, including ones without Bella as any sort of LI.

John972 · Dec 5, 2023

With all the hoo-ha about Mila in recent days, this post is to show people Mila from various versions of the game, so they can judge the arguments either way for themselves.

I have no skin in this game - I don't mind either versions of her. My only comment is that - all things being equal - the render quality is significantly better now.

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hermit_tr · Dec 5, 2023

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Mila's expression isn't quite right, she doesn't look so sad

John972 · Dec 5, 2023

hermit_tr said:
Mila's expression isn't quite right, she doesn't look so sad

I guess we have to await the full sequence of renders for the reworked scene. Mila looks pissed in the reworked render Ocean previewed.

BobTheDuck · Dec 5, 2023

John972 said:
I guess we have to await the full sequence of renders for the reworked scene. Mila looks pissed in the reworked render Ocean previewed.

Mila's probably angry faced from Nika's question whether she did anything (as he attempts to deflect any suspicion should Mila be questioned), then breaks down.

xCalon · Dec 5, 2023

PaxHadrian17 said:
I am enjoying how the MC/Bella relationship is evolving.

Bella and the MC agree to a relationship with no commitment to each other - no strings attached. (...) however, that there Are already strings attached...

I think in this relationship the MC and Bella mutually healing each other, both by conscious and unconscious level. Ther are several conversation between them, but their dynamics and meanings change significantly over time. This so-called no strings attached relationship is obviously strings attached, even if they don't even admit it to themselves at the moment.

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RNasc4444 · Dec 5, 2023

John972 said:
I have no skin in this game - I don't mind either versions of her. My only comment is that - all things being equal - the render quality is significantly better now.

I don't think anyone is arguing that. I think the point of contention is where she looks more normal/attractive.

Personally I think the old/original model of Mila was actually attractive. The new one looks like she could have a seat at this table:

turbojoe · Dec 5, 2023

hermit_tr said:
Mila's expression isn't quite right, she doesn't look so sad

In ch5 when MC and Zara return from street basket ball to Zara´s house she is waiting there very sad.

The Krogan Dude · Dec 5, 2023

John972 said:
With all the hoo-ha about Mila in recent days, this post is to show people Mila from various versions of the game, so they can judge the arguments either way for themselves.

I have no skin in this game - I don't mind either versions of her. My only comment is that - all things being equal - the render quality is significantly better now.

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That giant booty above Mila's head

burbero · Dec 5, 2023

I think the relationship between Nika and Bella will crack in a short time. The first igniter of this may be Nika's lack of hardening, but I think the main reason will be jealousy. There is a growing closeness between Nika and Zara, and of course, depending on the options, Zara has already started to fall in love with Nika. We know how competitive she is, conflict with Bella seems inevitable. In addition, both Bella and Nika already have an ultimatum. Bella warned not to lose my trust. Nika, on the other hand, made it clear at the book meeting that if Bella creates a childish drama, we're done.

If I know Ocean, he's already got a relationship drama ready.

McGreed · Dec 5, 2023

burbero said:
I think the relationship between Nika and Bella will crack in a short time. The first igniter of this may be Nika's lack of hardening, but I think the main reason will be jealousy. There is a growing closeness between Nika and Zara, and of course, depending on the options, Zara has already started to fall in love with Nika. We know how competitive she is, conflict with Bella seems inevitable. In addition, both Bella and Nika already have an ultimatum. Bella warned not to lose my trust. Nika, on the other hand, made it clear at the book meeting that if Bella creates a childish drama, we're done.

If I know Ocean, he's already got a relationship drama ready.

I guess that's obvious indeed if you're playing a manwhore route in game without harem

lorkdubo · Dec 5, 2023

McGreed said:
I guess that's obvious indeed if you're playing a manwhore route in game without harem

Manwhore route? Mai boi can't even get his pp hard. What are you talking about?
I also don't think Bella is that possessive. We will see.

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