VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[FunChaser]

A theory came to my mind. Eva tells Bella that there will be a big race in 2 weeks and it is very dangerous. Bella said it wouldn't be a problem either. I'm thinking about the possibility of something happening to Bella in this race. A situation that will result in serious injury, or even worse, death. I think Bella will have a crash in this race.
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Let’s remember what Ocean had planned for Bella route (thanks to lonelyk):
Bella: guaranteed main LI (Dom, Sub and normal routes, could be different now that the game has taken a less dark route, won't be compatible with Amber)
No way can these plans be implemented in two weeks before the ‘fatal’ race, so I hope Bella will survive it. Nevertheless this race was announced, so maybe MC will attend it?

 

[Maviarab]

Let’s remember what Ocean had planned for Bella route (thanks to lonelyk):
Bella: guaranteed main LI (Dom, Sub and normal routes, could be different now that the game has taken a less dark route, won't be compatible with Amber)
No way can these plans be implemented in two weeks before the ‘fatal’ race, so I hope Bella will survive it. Nevertheless this race was announced, so maybe MC will attend it?

She actually isn't/wasn't the main LI....she is however the focus at the start of the VN.

 

[Cabin Fever]

She actually isn't/wasn't the main LI....she is however the focus at the start of the VN.

I think you are conflating "a" main LI with "the" main LI. Bella absolutely is a main LI as Ocean planned from the very beginning.

 

[Ragna The Bloodedge]

I my first thought on reading your post... considering the trauma the MC still has over the loss of Summer, surely the loss of Bella (on that route) would send him over the abyss. It's hard to see him coming back so easily from that.

If that happens, Ocean might as well conclude Summer's Gone, start a new AVN set five years in the future called Summer and Bella are Gone. /s

Yes, it is not a wrong point of view. We just tend to think the worst when it comes to things that are uncertain. But what you said makes sense to me.

Let’s remember what Ocean had planned for Bella route (thanks to lonelyk):
Bella: guaranteed main LI (Dom, Sub and normal routes, could be different now that the game has taken a less dark route, won't be compatible with Amber)
No way can these plans be implemented in two weeks before the ‘fatal’ race, so I hope Bella will survive it. Nevertheless this race was announced, so maybe MC will attend it?

Thank you for your answer, it made me feel a little better. I too hope nothing happens to Bella. But I think I exaggerated too much, it seems like nothing much will happen anymore.

 

[indicent]

loving the story and characters so far. But one thing that really bothered me was the pc's reaction to what nadia and zara did to him. I mean I get the "I did bad shit too and I don't want more enemies" argument he gives, but why should that mean that you have to allow yourself to be handcuffed somewhere nearly naked? And for beating them at a practice game at that. I don't get it.

 

[Anthony1992]

Let’s remember what Ocean had planned for Bella route (thanks to lonelyk):
Bella: guaranteed main LI (Dom, Sub and normal routes, could be different now that the game has taken a less dark route, won't be compatible with Amber)
No way can these plans be implemented in two weeks before the ‘fatal’ race, so I hope Bella will survive it. Nevertheless this race was announced, so maybe MC will attend it?

Maybe this is a stupid question and has been addressed before, so apologies in advance as im quite new, but what from the story thus far gives the impression theres a Dom, Sub and normal route for bella? Which decisions guide you to which route?

 

[Elduriel]

Maybe this is a stupid question and has been addressed before, so apologies in advance as im quite new, but what from the story thus far gives the impression theres a Dom, Sub and normal route for bella? Which decisions guide you to which route?

I don't think that's really relevant any more, there are no such variables afaik in the current version, may have been before the rework. Just like there is no more a "dark" route either

 

[John972]

loving the story and characters so far. But one thing that really bothered me was the pc's reaction to what nadia and zara did to him. I mean I get the "I did bad shit too and I don't want more enemies" argument he gives, but why should that mean that you have to allow yourself to be handcuffed somewhere nearly naked? And for beating them at a practice game at that. I don't get it.

He allows it as a way of manipulating them (MC: "I understand. (I'll let them do it. It's a small price to pay for a win and a few relationship points.)"). MC's playing the long game, although his restraint is admirable considering someone just used Nami's welfare against him.

 

[ObsceneConundrum]

Apologies if this has been asked before—it probably has—but this thread is massive:

1. What is Nami and MC’s relationship? The first two chapters make them out to be blood siblings. They call each other brother and sister, there is a discussion about how weird it is that Nami came out as a redhead, MC says something about “their mom” dying in an accident, and other references. But in Chapter… 3? it starts changing the reference to Nami as a “friend,” there is a comment about how both of their moms died in accidents, but it makes it out like they’re two different women/accidents, and Nami’s flirting is dialed up twelve thousand percent. I’m a bit confused there.

2. Are MC and Nami meant to be half-Japanese? They have Japanese names, and there are several Asian comments; MC seems to comment himself about being half-Japanese, but it’s sort of vague. (And Nami looks like pure Scottish/Irish something.)

 

[JJ1960]

Apologies if this has been asked before—it probably has—but this thread is massive:

1. What is Nami and MC’s relationship? The first two chapters makes them out to be blood siblings. They call each other brother and sister, there is a discussion about how weird it is that Nami came out as a redhead, MC says something about “their mom” dying in an accident. But in Chapter… 3? it starts changing reference to Nami as a “friend,” there is a comment about how both of their moms died in accidents but it makes it out like they’re two different women/accidents, and Nami’s flirting is dialed up twelve thousand percent. I’m a bit confused there.

2. Are MC and Nami meant to be half-Japanese? They have Japanese names, there are several Asian comments, MC seems to comment himself about being half-Japanese but it’s sort of vague. (And Nami looks like pure Scottish/Irish something.)

I think in early versions they were blood siblings, now they are two kids whose parents were both killed and were taken in as wards together since Patreon and other funding sources disallow content with incest.

Many characters in SG are named for characters in the anime One Piece.

 

[yossa999]

Apologies if this has been asked before—it probably has—but this thread is massive:

1. What is Nami and MC’s relationship? The first two chapters make them out to be blood siblings. They call each other brother and sister, there is a discussion about how weird it is that Nami came out as a redhead, MC says something about “their mom” dying in an accident, and other references. But in Chapter… 3? it starts changing the reference to Nami as a “friend,” there is a comment about how both of their moms died in accidents, but it makes it out like they’re two different women/accidents, and Nami’s flirting is dialed up twelve thousand percent. I’m a bit confused there.

2. Are MC and Nami meant to be half-Japanese? They have Japanese names, and there are several Asian comments; MC seems to comment himself about being half-Japanese, but it’s sort of vague. (And Nami looks like pure Scottish/Irish something.)

Here's what the author of the game says about their relationship.


There are mods that change their relationship, but that's up to the modders.

Last time I checked, even the mods mentioned that MC and Nami lost their parents as children, thus Noji is not their biological mother. So it seems like they aren't half Japanese, and if by chance they are, at least Noji has nothing to do with it.

 

[jaw1986baby]

Apologies if this has been asked before—it probably has—but this thread is massive:

1. What is Nami and MC’s relationship? The first two chapters make them out to be blood siblings. They call each other brother and sister, there is a discussion about how weird it is that Nami came out as a redhead, MC says something about “their mom” dying in an accident, and other references. But in Chapter… 3? it starts changing the reference to Nami as a “friend,” there is a comment about how both of their moms died in accidents, but it makes it out like they’re two different women/accidents, and Nami’s flirting is dialed up twelve thousand percent. I’m a bit confused there.

2. Are MC and Nami meant to be half-Japanese? They have Japanese names, and there are several Asian comments; MC seems to comment himself about being half-Japanese, but it’s sort of vague. (And Nami looks like pure Scottish/Irish something.)

Here's what the author of the game says about their relationship.
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There are mods that change their relationship, but that's up to the modders.

Last time I checked, even the mods mentioned that MC and Nami lost their parents as children, thus Noji is not their biological mother. So it seems like they aren't half Japanese, and if by chance they are, at least Noji has nothing to do with it.

And that right there is your undeniable clue that those titles are ONLY for Patreon to leave Ocean alone


NO COUNTRY on planet earth gives young orphans to a random homeowner.

Gov't : Do you own a house?
Nojiko : Yes.
Gov't : Great here are kids, you now have "tenants"

STUPID unrealistic dumb It does not happen. If you want to argue that Nami and MC are not siblings there are 100 clues for that as well but there is no possible way "Landlady" just suddenly has random children renting(??) her rooms.




PEACE

 

[yossa999]

And that right there is your undeniable clue that those titles are ONLY for Patreon to leave Ocean alone


NO COUNTRY on planet earth gives young orphans to a random homeowner.

Gov't : Do you own a house?
Nojiko : Yes.
Gov't : Great here are kids, you now have "tenants"

STUPID unrealistic dumb It does not happen. If you want to argue that Nami and MC are not siblings there are 100 clues for that as well but there is no possible way "Landlady" just suddenly has random children renting(??) her rooms.




PEACE

Bro, I have long lost the desire to argue about anything in this thread.
Especially in debates on this particular topic, which I've been involved in on both sides

I just highlighted some facts that may not be known to the person who asked about their relationship. Now, after reading several posts, including yours and mine, they can decide for themselves what is Nami and MC’s relationship and it is the way it is.

And your appeal to realism is futile, since Wollust is a place in a fictional world, as the author said.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Bro, I have long lost the desire to argue about anything in this thread.
Especially in debates on this particular topic, which I've been involved in on both sides

I just highlighted some facts that may not be known to the person who asked about their relationship. Now, after reading several posts, including yours and mine, they can decide for themselves what is Nami and MC’s relationship and it is the way it is.

And your appeal to realism is futile, since Wollust is a place in a fictional world, as the author said.

I mean, if we want pure literalism, they were a collection of pixels born in Daz when Ocean bestirred his stylus, who's their daddy now?

On a more philosophical note - it's interesting how we have a tendency to suspend all info other than what we've been told, as thought events happen in a vacuum. Adoption is a thing, foster homes are a thing, godparents/guardians are a thing. The facts it's not outlined (like 90% of the instigating plot) is amorphous doesn't mean that Noji is a random. We simply don't know where the dots are to connect anything. The conspiracy theories exist purely so people can home their personal fetishes get included, simply because it's not defined. My brain hurts less if I just treat the speculation as a fun way to pass time rather than trying to define the impossible or locate the precise location of Bertrand's teapot.

 

[Krytax123]

I mean, if we want pure literalism, they were a collection of pixels born in Daz when Ocean bestirred his stylus, who's their daddy now?

On a more philosophical note - it's interesting how we have a tendency to suspend all info other than what we've been told, as thought events happen in a vacuum. Adoption is a thing, foster homes are a thing, godparents/guardians are a thing. The facts it's not outlined (like 90% of the instigating plot) is amorphous doesn't mean that Noji is a random. We simply don't know where the dots are to connect anything. The conspiracy theories exist purely so people can home their personal fetishes get included, simply because it's not defined. My brain hurts less if I just treat the speculation as a fun way to pass time rather than trying to define the impossible or locate the precise location of Bertrand's teapot.

The things is if Landlady and roommate aren’t Codewords for adoptive Mother and (half-)sister it would be super easy and not problematic at all for ocean to display their real relation instead of keeping it vague all the time.

One of them could remember their (different) parents or the time before they lived together.

I mean really? Noji introduces her tenants to her new bf and moves in with them? And pays their college tuition hmm

If there would be no fake relations, things wouldn’t be this vaguely explained

I don’t even like incest but I think everyone trying to deny it at this point is completly delusional

 

[yossa999]

I mean, if we want pure literalism, they were a collection of pixels born in Daz when Ocean bestirred his stylus, who's their daddy now?

I don't think he would have gone that far
But some suspension of disbelief for sure is required for every AVN I've seen so far.
Making Wollust a fictional place in a fictional country allows the author to avoid unimportant and unnecessary disputes about the extent to which Sasha’s mother complies with the lawyer’s guild code of a certain country, or at what age can young people drink beer in a bar.

On a more philosophical note - it's interesting how we have a tendency to suspend all info other than what we've been told, as thought events happen in a vacuum. Adoption is a thing, foster homes are a thing, godparents/guardians are a thing. The facts it's not outlined (like 90% of the instigating plot) is amorphous doesn't mean that Noji is a random. We simply don't know where the dots are to connect anything. The conspiracy theories exist purely so people can home their personal fetishes get included, simply because it's not defined. My brain hurts less if I just treat the speculation as a fun way to pass time rather than trying to define the impossible or locate the precise location of Bertrand's teapot.

Well, crowdfunding platforms don't approve of certain topics in AVNs, so it's understandable why creators would avoid those topics in their games. What is there to argue about?

And it’s not hard to come up with theories about why certain characters are tenants. Just out of curiosity. Why, for example, can’t a lady be the guardian of orphans only until they come of age, and after that she simply becomes their landlady, since her guardianship has ended, and they still live in her house and rent a rooms there.

 

[Krytax123]

And it’s not hard to come up with theories about why certain characters are tenants. Just out of curiosity. Why, for example, can’t a lady be the guardian of orphans only until they come of age, and after that she simply becomes their landlady, since her guardianship has ended, and they still live in her house and rent a rooms there.

A lot of things are possible in theory but in our case neither Nika nor Nami are paying any rent or earning any money (instead Noji pays for all of their expenses like clothing and their college tutitions for example).

I mean who in a world would describe a relationship like that as Landlady/tenant???

It’s like the complete opposite in fact. They are a family (even in case none of them were blood related) in which case they would be family by adoption which would still make Nika and Nami siblings (even when not blood related) and not roommates.

Ocean is just dancing around the terms to avoid patreon problems with his incestverse

 

[yossa999]

A lot of things are possible in theory but in our case neither Nika nor Nami are paying any rent or earning any money (instead Noji pays for all of their expenses like clothing and their college tutitions for example).

I mean who in a world would describe a relationship like that as Landlady/tenant???

It’s like the complete opposite in fact. They are a family (even in case none of them were blood related) in which case they would be family by adoption which would still make Nika and Nami siblings (even when not blood related) and not roommates.

Ocean is just dancing around the terms to avoid patreon problems with his incestverse

This suits me quite well, I love watching dancing.

 

[BobTheDuck]

The things is if Landlady and roommate aren’t Codeworts for adoptive Mother and (half-)sister it would be super easy and not problematic at all for ocean to display their real relation instead of keeping it vague all the time.

One of them could remember their (different) parents or the time before they lived together.

I mean really? Noji introduces her tenants to her new bf and moves in with them? And pays their college tuition hmm

If there would be no fake relations, things wouldn’t be this vaguely explained

I don’t even like incest but I think everyone trying to deny it at this point is completly delusional

I'm not talking about Nika and Nami's relationship, but it's delusional to think Noji is actually their biological mum, when that is explained quite logically and repeatedly, without mentioning the word landlady. I can't remember which version where it's clearly stated Noji adopted them.

It's still clearly mentioned that Nika remembers his (actual biological mum) reading to him when you're walking with either Mila or Vic on the movie night, he's reminiscing about someone other than Noji... Nika also clearly mentions both his and Nami's parent's dying in a car crash. One version also mentioned Noji adopting them, along with the whole Zara - "I expected asians" comment - which shows that they look nothing like Noji to someone whose seen Noji around Nick a bit. Also the different surnames are making it even more clear.



People just ignore all of that because they want Noji to be something more, and they're projecting their preferred fetish. It's pretty delusional to try to force Noji to be their biological mum rather and forcibly ignoring all the comments in the current published stroy being true. Current rework having even different surnames isn't a problem for a guardian/foster parent. A foster parent recieved govt money to pay for their wards, so the payment question is a non starter.

It might not be clearly defined, because Noji might not be 100% legal guardian, and they situation where she illegally took custody might be explained when their parentage is revealed - something to do with Scarlet's help perhaps? People have taken custody of children they have no legal rights to more than once in the history of this planet. Jenna's comment "Maybe Noji did the right thing" has some context here possibly.

Nika and Nami it's harder to define why they have hangups about a relationship if they're both fostered/adopted. The implication is that that relationship is specifically undefined on purpose, and left ambigious on purpose, but the tension only makes sense if they're not room mates. And they aren't even room mates (despite what Nami says to Jeff) because they have separate rooms

I'm not suggesting that Ocean isn't hiding things - but it's most likely he's hiding things about Nika and Nami, not about Noji. At least not about Noji being anything other than their guardian.

No look at me go trying to locate that darn teapot for my next quixotic quest...

 

[Krytax123]

I'm not talking about Nika and Nami's relationship, but it's delusional to think Noji is actually their biological mum, when that is explained quite logically and repeatedly, without mentioning the word landlady. I can't remember which version where it's clearly stated Noji adopted them.

It's still clearly mentioned that Nika remembers his (actual biological mum) reading to him when you're walking with either Mila or Vic on the movie night, he's reminiscing about someone other than Noji... Nika also clearly mentions both his and Nami's parent's dying in a car crash. One version also mentioned Noji adopting them, along with the whole Zara - "I expected asians" comment - which shows that they look nothing like Noji to someone whose seen Noji around Nick a bit. Also the different surnames are making it even more clear.

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People just ignore all of that because they want Noji to be something more, and they're projecting their preferred fetish. It's pretty delusional to try to force Noji to be their biological mum rather and forcibly ignoring all the comments in the current published stroy being true. Current rework having even different surnames isn't a problem for a guardian/foster parent. A foster parent recieved govt money to pay for their wards, so the payment question is a non starter.

It might not be clearly defined, because Noji might not be 100% legal guardian, and they situation where she illegally took custody might be explained when their parentage is revealed - something to do with Scarlet's help perhaps? People have taken custody of children they have no legal rights to more than once in the history of this planet. Jenna's comment "Maybe Noji did the right thing" has some context here possibly.

Nika and Nami it's harder to define why they have hangups about a relationship if they're both fostered/adopted. The implication is that that relationship is specifically undefined on purpose, and left ambigious on purpose, but the tension only makes sense if they're not room mates. And they aren't even room mates (despite what Nami says to Jeff) because they have separate rooms

I'm not suggesting that Ocean isn't hiding things - but it's most likely he's hiding things about Nika and Nami, not about Noji. At least not about Noji being anything other than their guardian.

No look at me go trying to locate that darn teapot for my next quixotic quest...

Ugh I’m sleepy and now i feel like i jumped in a discussion about something entirely different than I was thinking. Sorry if that was the case im barely awake tbh.

I agree, it’s obvious that Noji is their adoptive mother/guardian and not blood-related to them. They are still a family tho imo.

And I don’t think she’s an LI and won’t be in the future so everyone with a mommy-fetish will be disappointed anyway

Edit: and it’s an argument against my own opinion but Noji could still consider a relationship between Nika and nami inappropriate because she adopted them both and they grew up together (and they would still be some kind of adopted/step/whatever-siblings)