VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[ObsceneConundrum]

Apologies if this has been asked before—it probably has—but this thread is massive:

1. What is Nami and MC’s relationship? The first two chapters make them out to be blood siblings. They call each other brother and sister, there is a discussion about how weird it is that Nami came out as a redhead, MC says something about “their mom” dying in an accident, and other references. But in Chapter… 3? it starts changing the reference to Nami as a “friend,” there is a comment about how both of their moms died in accidents, but it makes it out like they’re two different women/accidents, and Nami’s flirting is dialed up twelve thousand percent. I’m a bit confused there.

2. Are MC and Nami meant to be half-Japanese? They have Japanese names, and there are several Asian comments; MC seems to comment himself about being half-Japanese, but it’s sort of vague. (And Nami looks like pure Scottish/Irish something.)

 

[JJ1960]

Apologies if this has been asked before—it probably has—but this thread is massive:

1. What is Nami and MC’s relationship? The first two chapters makes them out to be blood siblings. They call each other brother and sister, there is a discussion about how weird it is that Nami came out as a redhead, MC says something about “their mom” dying in an accident. But in Chapter… 3? it starts changing reference to Nami as a “friend,” there is a comment about how both of their moms died in accidents but it makes it out like they’re two different women/accidents, and Nami’s flirting is dialed up twelve thousand percent. I’m a bit confused there.

2. Are MC and Nami meant to be half-Japanese? They have Japanese names, there are several Asian comments, MC seems to comment himself about being half-Japanese but it’s sort of vague. (And Nami looks like pure Scottish/Irish something.)

I think in early versions they were blood siblings, now they are two kids whose parents were both killed and were taken in as wards together since Patreon and other funding sources disallow content with incest.

Many characters in SG are named for characters in the anime One Piece.

 

[yossa999]

Apologies if this has been asked before—it probably has—but this thread is massive:

1. What is Nami and MC’s relationship? The first two chapters make them out to be blood siblings. They call each other brother and sister, there is a discussion about how weird it is that Nami came out as a redhead, MC says something about “their mom” dying in an accident, and other references. But in Chapter… 3? it starts changing the reference to Nami as a “friend,” there is a comment about how both of their moms died in accidents, but it makes it out like they’re two different women/accidents, and Nami’s flirting is dialed up twelve thousand percent. I’m a bit confused there.

2. Are MC and Nami meant to be half-Japanese? They have Japanese names, and there are several Asian comments; MC seems to comment himself about being half-Japanese, but it’s sort of vague. (And Nami looks like pure Scottish/Irish something.)

Here's what the author of the game says about their relationship.


There are mods that change their relationship, but that's up to the modders.

Last time I checked, even the mods mentioned that MC and Nami lost their parents as children, thus Noji is not their biological mother. So it seems like they aren't half Japanese, and if by chance they are, at least Noji has nothing to do with it.

 

[jaw1986baby]

Apologies if this has been asked before—it probably has—but this thread is massive:

1. What is Nami and MC’s relationship? The first two chapters make them out to be blood siblings. They call each other brother and sister, there is a discussion about how weird it is that Nami came out as a redhead, MC says something about “their mom” dying in an accident, and other references. But in Chapter… 3? it starts changing the reference to Nami as a “friend,” there is a comment about how both of their moms died in accidents, but it makes it out like they’re two different women/accidents, and Nami’s flirting is dialed up twelve thousand percent. I’m a bit confused there.

2. Are MC and Nami meant to be half-Japanese? They have Japanese names, and there are several Asian comments; MC seems to comment himself about being half-Japanese, but it’s sort of vague. (And Nami looks like pure Scottish/Irish something.)

Here's what the author of the game says about their relationship.
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There are mods that change their relationship, but that's up to the modders.

Last time I checked, even the mods mentioned that MC and Nami lost their parents as children, thus Noji is not their biological mother. So it seems like they aren't half Japanese, and if by chance they are, at least Noji has nothing to do with it.

And that right there is your undeniable clue that those titles are ONLY for Patreon to leave Ocean alone


NO COUNTRY on planet earth gives young orphans to a random homeowner.

Gov't : Do you own a house?
Nojiko : Yes.
Gov't : Great here are kids, you now have "tenants"

STUPID unrealistic dumb It does not happen. If you want to argue that Nami and MC are not siblings there are 100 clues for that as well but there is no possible way "Landlady" just suddenly has random children renting(??) her rooms.




PEACE

 

[yossa999]

And that right there is your undeniable clue that those titles are ONLY for Patreon to leave Ocean alone


NO COUNTRY on planet earth gives young orphans to a random homeowner.

Gov't : Do you own a house?
Nojiko : Yes.
Gov't : Great here are kids, you now have "tenants"

STUPID unrealistic dumb It does not happen. If you want to argue that Nami and MC are not siblings there are 100 clues for that as well but there is no possible way "Landlady" just suddenly has random children renting(??) her rooms.




PEACE

Bro, I have long lost the desire to argue about anything in this thread.
Especially in debates on this particular topic, which I've been involved in on both sides

I just highlighted some facts that may not be known to the person who asked about their relationship. Now, after reading several posts, including yours and mine, they can decide for themselves what is Nami and MC’s relationship and it is the way it is.

And your appeal to realism is futile, since Wollust is a place in a fictional world, as the author said.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Bro, I have long lost the desire to argue about anything in this thread.
Especially in debates on this particular topic, which I've been involved in on both sides

I just highlighted some facts that may not be known to the person who asked about their relationship. Now, after reading several posts, including yours and mine, they can decide for themselves what is Nami and MC’s relationship and it is the way it is.

And your appeal to realism is futile, since Wollust is a place in a fictional world, as the author said.

I mean, if we want pure literalism, they were a collection of pixels born in Daz when Ocean bestirred his stylus, who's their daddy now?

On a more philosophical note - it's interesting how we have a tendency to suspend all info other than what we've been told, as thought events happen in a vacuum. Adoption is a thing, foster homes are a thing, godparents/guardians are a thing. The facts it's not outlined (like 90% of the instigating plot) is amorphous doesn't mean that Noji is a random. We simply don't know where the dots are to connect anything. The conspiracy theories exist purely so people can home their personal fetishes get included, simply because it's not defined. My brain hurts less if I just treat the speculation as a fun way to pass time rather than trying to define the impossible or locate the precise location of Bertrand's teapot.

 

[Krytax123]

I mean, if we want pure literalism, they were a collection of pixels born in Daz when Ocean bestirred his stylus, who's their daddy now?

On a more philosophical note - it's interesting how we have a tendency to suspend all info other than what we've been told, as thought events happen in a vacuum. Adoption is a thing, foster homes are a thing, godparents/guardians are a thing. The facts it's not outlined (like 90% of the instigating plot) is amorphous doesn't mean that Noji is a random. We simply don't know where the dots are to connect anything. The conspiracy theories exist purely so people can home their personal fetishes get included, simply because it's not defined. My brain hurts less if I just treat the speculation as a fun way to pass time rather than trying to define the impossible or locate the precise location of Bertrand's teapot.

The things is if Landlady and roommate aren’t Codewords for adoptive Mother and (half-)sister it would be super easy and not problematic at all for ocean to display their real relation instead of keeping it vague all the time.

One of them could remember their (different) parents or the time before they lived together.

I mean really? Noji introduces her tenants to her new bf and moves in with them? And pays their college tuition hmm

If there would be no fake relations, things wouldn’t be this vaguely explained

I don’t even like incest but I think everyone trying to deny it at this point is completly delusional

 

[yossa999]

I mean, if we want pure literalism, they were a collection of pixels born in Daz when Ocean bestirred his stylus, who's their daddy now?

I don't think he would have gone that far
But some suspension of disbelief for sure is required for every AVN I've seen so far.
Making Wollust a fictional place in a fictional country allows the author to avoid unimportant and unnecessary disputes about the extent to which Sasha’s mother complies with the lawyer’s guild code of a certain country, or at what age can young people drink beer in a bar.

On a more philosophical note - it's interesting how we have a tendency to suspend all info other than what we've been told, as thought events happen in a vacuum. Adoption is a thing, foster homes are a thing, godparents/guardians are a thing. The facts it's not outlined (like 90% of the instigating plot) is amorphous doesn't mean that Noji is a random. We simply don't know where the dots are to connect anything. The conspiracy theories exist purely so people can home their personal fetishes get included, simply because it's not defined. My brain hurts less if I just treat the speculation as a fun way to pass time rather than trying to define the impossible or locate the precise location of Bertrand's teapot.

Well, crowdfunding platforms don't approve of certain topics in AVNs, so it's understandable why creators would avoid those topics in their games. What is there to argue about?

And it’s not hard to come up with theories about why certain characters are tenants. Just out of curiosity. Why, for example, can’t a lady be the guardian of orphans only until they come of age, and after that she simply becomes their landlady, since her guardianship has ended, and they still live in her house and rent a rooms there.

 

[Krytax123]

And it’s not hard to come up with theories about why certain characters are tenants. Just out of curiosity. Why, for example, can’t a lady be the guardian of orphans only until they come of age, and after that she simply becomes their landlady, since her guardianship has ended, and they still live in her house and rent a rooms there.

A lot of things are possible in theory but in our case neither Nika nor Nami are paying any rent or earning any money (instead Noji pays for all of their expenses like clothing and their college tutitions for example).

I mean who in a world would describe a relationship like that as Landlady/tenant???

It’s like the complete opposite in fact. They are a family (even in case none of them were blood related) in which case they would be family by adoption which would still make Nika and Nami siblings (even when not blood related) and not roommates.

Ocean is just dancing around the terms to avoid patreon problems with his incestverse

 

[yossa999]

A lot of things are possible in theory but in our case neither Nika nor Nami are paying any rent or earning any money (instead Noji pays for all of their expenses like clothing and their college tutitions for example).

I mean who in a world would describe a relationship like that as Landlady/tenant???

It’s like the complete opposite in fact. They are a family (even in case none of them were blood related) in which case they would be family by adoption which would still make Nika and Nami siblings (even when not blood related) and not roommates.

Ocean is just dancing around the terms to avoid patreon problems with his incestverse

This suits me quite well, I love watching dancing.

 

[BobTheDuck]

The things is if Landlady and roommate aren’t Codeworts for adoptive Mother and (half-)sister it would be super easy and not problematic at all for ocean to display their real relation instead of keeping it vague all the time.

One of them could remember their (different) parents or the time before they lived together.

I mean really? Noji introduces her tenants to her new bf and moves in with them? And pays their college tuition hmm

If there would be no fake relations, things wouldn’t be this vaguely explained

I don’t even like incest but I think everyone trying to deny it at this point is completly delusional

I'm not talking about Nika and Nami's relationship, but it's delusional to think Noji is actually their biological mum, when that is explained quite logically and repeatedly, without mentioning the word landlady. I can't remember which version where it's clearly stated Noji adopted them.

It's still clearly mentioned that Nika remembers his (actual biological mum) reading to him when you're walking with either Mila or Vic on the movie night, he's reminiscing about someone other than Noji... Nika also clearly mentions both his and Nami's parent's dying in a car crash. One version also mentioned Noji adopting them, along with the whole Zara - "I expected asians" comment - which shows that they look nothing like Noji to someone whose seen Noji around Nick a bit. Also the different surnames are making it even more clear.



People just ignore all of that because they want Noji to be something more, and they're projecting their preferred fetish. It's pretty delusional to try to force Noji to be their biological mum rather and forcibly ignoring all the comments in the current published stroy being true. Current rework having even different surnames isn't a problem for a guardian/foster parent. A foster parent recieved govt money to pay for their wards, so the payment question is a non starter.

It might not be clearly defined, because Noji might not be 100% legal guardian, and they situation where she illegally took custody might be explained when their parentage is revealed - something to do with Scarlet's help perhaps? People have taken custody of children they have no legal rights to more than once in the history of this planet. Jenna's comment "Maybe Noji did the right thing" has some context here possibly.

Nika and Nami it's harder to define why they have hangups about a relationship if they're both fostered/adopted. The implication is that that relationship is specifically undefined on purpose, and left ambigious on purpose, but the tension only makes sense if they're not room mates. And they aren't even room mates (despite what Nami says to Jeff) because they have separate rooms

I'm not suggesting that Ocean isn't hiding things - but it's most likely he's hiding things about Nika and Nami, not about Noji. At least not about Noji being anything other than their guardian.

No look at me go trying to locate that darn teapot for my next quixotic quest...

 

[Krytax123]

I'm not talking about Nika and Nami's relationship, but it's delusional to think Noji is actually their biological mum, when that is explained quite logically and repeatedly, without mentioning the word landlady. I can't remember which version where it's clearly stated Noji adopted them.

It's still clearly mentioned that Nika remembers his (actual biological mum) reading to him when you're walking with either Mila or Vic on the movie night, he's reminiscing about someone other than Noji... Nika also clearly mentions both his and Nami's parent's dying in a car crash. One version also mentioned Noji adopting them, along with the whole Zara - "I expected asians" comment - which shows that they look nothing like Noji to someone whose seen Noji around Nick a bit. Also the different surnames are making it even more clear.

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People just ignore all of that because they want Noji to be something more, and they're projecting their preferred fetish. It's pretty delusional to try to force Noji to be their biological mum rather and forcibly ignoring all the comments in the current published stroy being true. Current rework having even different surnames isn't a problem for a guardian/foster parent. A foster parent recieved govt money to pay for their wards, so the payment question is a non starter.

It might not be clearly defined, because Noji might not be 100% legal guardian, and they situation where she illegally took custody might be explained when their parentage is revealed - something to do with Scarlet's help perhaps? People have taken custody of children they have no legal rights to more than once in the history of this planet. Jenna's comment "Maybe Noji did the right thing" has some context here possibly.

Nika and Nami it's harder to define why they have hangups about a relationship if they're both fostered/adopted. The implication is that that relationship is specifically undefined on purpose, and left ambigious on purpose, but the tension only makes sense if they're not room mates. And they aren't even room mates (despite what Nami says to Jeff) because they have separate rooms

I'm not suggesting that Ocean isn't hiding things - but it's most likely he's hiding things about Nika and Nami, not about Noji. At least not about Noji being anything other than their guardian.

No look at me go trying to locate that darn teapot for my next quixotic quest...

Ugh I’m sleepy and now i feel like i jumped in a discussion about something entirely different than I was thinking. Sorry if that was the case im barely awake tbh.

I agree, it’s obvious that Noji is their adoptive mother/guardian and not blood-related to them. They are still a family tho imo.

And I don’t think she’s an LI and won’t be in the future so everyone with a mommy-fetish will be disappointed anyway

Edit: and it’s an argument against my own opinion but Noji could still consider a relationship between Nika and nami inappropriate because she adopted them both and they grew up together (and they would still be some kind of adopted/step/whatever-siblings)

 

[BobTheDuck]

Ugh I’m sleepy and now i feel like i jumped in a discussion about something entirely different than I was thinking. Sorry if that was the case im barely awake tbh.

I agree, it’s obvious that Noji is their adoptive mother/guardian and not blood-related to them. They are still a family tho imo.

And I don’t think she’s an LI and won’t be in the future so everyone with a mommy-fetish will be disappointed anyway

Edit: and it’s an argument against my own opinion but Noji could still consider a relationship between Nika and nami inappropriate because she adopted them both and they grew up together (and they would still be some kind of adopted/step/whatever-siblings)

All agreed - but don't worry this topic is cyclical, it'll reappear at least once a month

Family is a funny thing, because a husband and wife are family. I think the important thing is that they have roles defined because they have a shared living space, and anything that threatens their existing roles challenges the nature of their relationships. Regardless of the nouns used, the essence of the tension is that they don't want to risk breaking the assumed comfort of those established norms.

I really hope Noji doesn't become a LI, mainly because this game is about healing, not about Nika cucking Nick. It would be strange for a game trying to show a redmptive arc having an MC that actively sabotages every relationship. I'd assume it's possible, but that would be the bad ending way in the future.

And it's clearly shown Noji disapproves of them being too close. It could simply be she wants a trouble free appearance, but she genuinely disapproves of intimacy between Nika and Nami in multiple ways, that make Nika and Nami feel uncomfortable around each other purely based on what Noji thinks. But given Noji's friends include authors of porn novels and parn actresses (it just occurred to me that Emilia might be part of Zoey's porn company - my play of WiaB I always had cuddly toy company, but other people got ZOey wanting to start a porn empire - entirely plausible Emilia is part of that, especially as Emilie was a friend of Zoey in the original WiaB) her discomfort is maybe more to do with Nika and Nami drawing unwanted attention, rather than morally upset.

 

[Meushi]

I'm not talking about Nika and Nami's relationship, but it's delusional to think Noji is actually their biological mum, when that is explained quite logically and repeatedly, without mentioning the word landlady.

Don't think anyone has argued Nojiko was biologically related to MC & Nami at any point, including the poster you were replying to? That's not even the case in the Evil Modder patch.

I can't remember which version where it's clearly stated Noji adopted them.

No need to remember, I posted all the references to adopt last week when this infernal debate last arose?

As shown in the non-patched section, Nojiko was stated to have adopted them from 0.2-0.4, but since 0.4.5 there's no mention of adoption.

Why? Because as Krytax123 suggested adopted families are still families, and Patreon treats adoptive relatives just like biological relatives for the purposes of their incest assessment. If Nojiko adopts MC & Nami they're siblings, regardless of being blood relatives or not, which would be a red flag for Patreon. Even with Nojiko not being a LI adoption is still an issue. So Ocean changed the story so they're no longer adopted in the Patreaon version.

Unfortunately this makes Nojiko's concerns about the nature of the MC & Nami relationship, and their own conversations about their intimacy being taboo nonsensical. If they're not a family, nothing to see here.

Evil modder to the rescue, where Nojiko adoption remains, MC & Nami are biological siblings.

 

[Ragna The Bloodedge]

Don't think anyone has argued Nojiko was biologically related to MC & Nami at any point, including the poster you were replying to? That's not even the case in the Evil Modder patch.

No need to remember, I posted all the references to adopt last week when this infernal debate last arose?

As shown in the non-patched section, Nojiko was stated to have adopted them from 0.2-0.4, but since 0.4.5 there's no mention of adoption.

Why? Because as Krytax123 suggested adopted families are still families, and Patreon treats adoptive relatives just like biological relatives for the purposes of their incest assessment. If Nojiko adopts MC & Nami they're siblings, regardless of being blood relatives or not, which would be a red flag for Patreon. Even with Nojiko not being a LI adoption is still an issue. So Ocean changed the story so they're no longer adopted in the Patreaon version.

Unfortunately this makes Nojiko's concerns about the nature of the MC & Nami relationship, and their own conversations about their intimacy being taboo nonsensical. If they're not a family, nothing to see here.

Evil modder to the rescue, where Nojiko adoption remains, MC & Nami are biological siblings.

If they were biological siblings, what is Nojiko's reason for hiding this situation from them? This will be explained in the future, and you can tell Nojiko has a good reason. But then we give the story a certain direction in our own way (which leads to a significant deviation from the original story). Each theory here makes assumptions about what might happen in the future, based on the plot in which certain events occur. But coming out with a definitive judgment and saying "biological siblings" has neither evidence nor reference. Nami is one of the main LIs. Nami's and Nika's biological families may be connected and may even be alive. But I definitely don't think they are siblings. Nika may be half-sister with Ayua, but she will not have a connection with Nami.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Don't think anyone has argued Nojiko was biologically related to MC & Nami at any point, including the poster you were replying to? That's not even the case in the Evil Modder patch.

No need to remember, I posted all the references to adopt last week when this infernal debate last arose?

As shown in the non-patched section, Nojiko was stated to have adopted them from 0.2-0.4, but since 0.4.5 there's no mention of adoption.

Why? Because as Krytax123 suggested adopted families are still families, and Patreon treats adoptive relatives just like biological relatives for the purposes of their incest assessment. If Nojiko adopts MC & Nami they're siblings, regardless of being blood relatives or not, which would be a red flag for Patreon. Even with Nojiko not being a LI adoption is still an issue. So Ocean changed the story so they're no longer adopted in the Patreaon version.

Unfortunately this makes Nojiko's concerns about the nature of the MC & Nami relationship, and their own conversations about their intimacy being taboo nonsensical. If they're not a family, nothing to see here.

Evil modder to the rescue, where Nojiko adoption remains, MC & Nami are biological siblings.

I was reacting more to the comment even earlier:

And that right there is your undeniable clue that those titles are ONLY for Patreon to leave Ocean alone


NO COUNTRY on planet earth gives young orphans to a random homeowner.

Gov't : Do you own a house?
Nojiko : Yes.
Gov't : Great here are kids, you now have "tenants"

STUPID unrealistic dumb It does not happen. If you want to argue that Nami and MC are not siblings there are 100 clues for that as well but there is no possible way "Landlady" just suddenly has random children renting(??) her rooms.




PEACE

Krytax123 was implying Noji potentially a secondary role that was different to her apparent role - mentioning the Landlady trope being a codeword which is definitely a trope on this site, and also, being unaware that there was in fact mention of Nika and Nami's parents in official terms, so I was just mentioning that for any of roles Noji can have, none of them are other than what can be found directly in the current text, regardless of version. Ocean seems to have been vague only recently, but landlady-ism is a poor way to describe Noji in any version of the game, as is innuendo that a Noji wouldn't pay for their keep (as a literal landlady). In every version she has some level of guardianship - the screencaps I've posted show that Nika considers her more than someone who takes his rent, but she's no surrogate in his eyes.

And I agree with your explanation of the reasoning for dropping the adoption side of it. I'd assumed it was changed to remove even the suspicion of a connection other than guardianship.

I was more pointing out that people want the idea of a 'landlady' regardless of the text's direct messaging, as the trope playing into their potential fetish, which isn't supported ...having said that Noji being mentioned in the patched version as 'My mothers best friend, Nojiko, adopted us' implies something else which is also very trope like tha has been used in WiaB, as it's not in the unpatched version of Ch5, based on your rather detailed compilation. So the evil modder potentially has a very special idea of exactly what they want the modded relationship to be.

 

[BobTheDuck]

If they were biological siblings, what is Nojiko's reason for hiding this situation from them? This will be explained in the future, and you can tell Nojiko has a good reason. But then we give the story a certain direction in our own way (which leads to a significant deviation from the original story). Each theory here makes assumptions about what might happen in the future, based on the plot in which certain events occur. But coming out with a definitive judgment and saying "biological siblings" has neither evidence nor reference. Nami is one of the main LIs. Nami's and Nika's biological families may be connected and may even be alive. But I definitely don't think they are siblings. Nika may be half-sister with Ayua, but she will not have a connection with Nami.

Only caveat I'd say is that (as Meushi and others have mentioned) Noji is world-wise enough to read patreon's fine print; but we know Nika can't remember the start date of college, and Nami just believes what any random stranger says about current fashions. Noji might be preventing them from all kinds of legal woes that they are blissfully unaware of in her duties as *'non disclosed caregiver'.

Also, the pesky evil modder team who keeps turning Ocean's wholesome game that has no sex into some kind of implied thing going bump in the night - which makes it really hard for pirates to know whether or not the version they're playing is actually approved by Ocean. As earlier posted, Ocean terms them room mates, so all other nouns are incorrect, even when Ocean's own writing implies anything else it is clearly just a subjective reading.

In seriousness, the tension between Nika and Nami is weird if they are both separately fostered. Not impossible to imagine, but really over dramatic. Play Nami's path and ask yourself why does the drama exist?

It is indeed the case that we're just spouting theories while we wait for the plot to uncover the dots, and then wait to see how Ocean connects them.

I mean post rework WiaB Willi might be impotent, and Lucas cucks him 100% and all of SG's children are due to Willi feeling pity because Kat body shamed Lucas that one breakfast. Or Emilio is actually only gay now to prevent him from cucking every other MC in the Oceanverse because he prefers owning gold watches to endless child support. Name for Ocean's third game: Emilio's Cannon: Origins./S Highly unlikely and all options I feel bad for even sarcastically mentioning, but I can't even rule out alien tentacles after the tabletop session

 

[Harmonyrose]

can't find any compress version.
is there any compress version?

 

[Maviarab]

And that right there is your undeniable clue that those titles are ONLY for Patreon to leave Ocean alone

Yet once again...that doesn't apply to WiAB where they definitely are, 100% siblings with a patch made by Ocean. Why won't people just accept what is.

 

[BobTheDuck]

can't find any compress version.
is there any compress version?

Search the thread for compressed, but because people ask rather than search, each request pushes the compressed version down to maybe the third page of results? Never give up, you can also search the thread by frequent file hosts, jus make sure to search with most recent first.

Summer's Gone [Ch.5 BETA] [Oceanlab]

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Yet once again...that doesn't apply to WiAB where they definitely are, 100% siblings with a patch made by Ocean. Why won't people just accept what is.

Because plausible deniabilty is a useful thing; it keeps newspapers in business and politicians in power. Evil modders be damned, they're just nefarious and changing things to confuse pirates./s