VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[hermit_tr]

just want to make sure.

ch 1 by Regium
ch 2 by Ocean & Regium
ch 3 by Ocean
ch 3.5 by Ocean, start of rework ?
ch 4 by Ocean, rework of ch 1 complete ?
ch 4.5 by Ocean, reworked ch 2 by 2/3 ?
ch 5 beta by Ocean, rework of ch 2 and modification of ch 3 and 3.5 ?


BTW, it's been a while since I played the first SG chapter, I forgot where the ending chapters 1 - 4 are.

 

[burbero]

I don't think so. And we'll probably see that newspaper incident in season 2. I just hope Bella doesn't misunderstand this because of the photo of Nika looking like she touched Robin's ass.

Oh after that photo I would doubt myself even if I was Nika.

 

[RNasc4444]

Yet once again...that doesn't apply to WiAB where they definitely are, 100% siblings with a patch made by Ocean. Why won't people just accept what is.

We do accept what is. MC and Nami HAVE TO BE BLOOD RELATED somehow for there to be the tiniest shred of logic to their dynamic and relationship. And therefore, the story itself.

Don't get me wrong, I don't hold Ocean's writing and creative decisions in any kind of high regard whatsoever, but this game would reach record levels of irrationality and lack of logic if they would turn out to be unrelated at all.

 

[Krytax123]

I was reacting more to the comment even earlier:



Krytax123 was implying Noji potentially a secondary role that was different to her apparent role - mentioning the Landlady trope being a codeword which is definitely a trope on this site, and also, being unaware that there was in fact mention of Nika and Nami's parents in official terms, so I was just mentioning that for any of roles Noji can have, none of them are other than what can be found directly in the current text, regardless of version. Ocean seems to have been vague only recently, but landlady-ism is a poor way to describe Noji in any version of the game, as is innuendo that a Noji wouldn't pay for their keep (as a literal landlady). In every version she has some level of guardianship - the screencaps I've posted show that Nika considers her more than someone who takes his rent, but she's no surrogate in his eyes.

And I agree with your explanation of the reasoning for dropping the adoption side of it. I'd assumed it was changed to remove even the suspicion of a connection other than guardianship.

Just to clarify: I wasnt unaware of Nika and Nami's parents being mentioned, it happened multiple times in the story, my whole post was about Nika and Nami and i never mentioned Noji and dont see her really mentioned in the post i replied to now that im awake again.

I was referring to the discord-screenshot from ocean someone posted earlier describing the official relationships as Landlady and Roommates in my post.

Which is only nessecary for Ocean (to use arbitary titles like that) because incest is involved.

 

[Maviarab]

We do accept what is. MC and Nami HAVE TO BE BLOOD RELATED somehow for there to be the tinyest shred of logic to their dynamic and relationship. And therefore, the story itself.

Don't get me wrong, I don't hold Ocean's writing and creative decisions in any kind of high regard whatsoever, but this game would reach record levels of irrationality and lack of logic if they would turn out to be unrelated at all.

And Ocean has said they are not. What is the fucking problem exactly? Why would he lie, given he admits it for WiAB? Why? Hmmm? That makes even less sense than this theory. I couldn't care less either way btw...just saying what is...which some folk have a seemingly hard time accepting (though no surprise around this place).

As for rationality and logic...you have actually read both VN's right? Right? lol...I love them both (WiAB more to be fair) but looking for rationality in either lmao...hahaha..,.that's a good one.

 

[Krytax123]

If they were biological siblings, what is Nojiko's reason for hiding this situation from them? This will be explained in the future, and you can tell Nojiko has a good reason. But then we give the story a certain direction in our own way (which leads to a significant deviation from the original story). Each theory here makes assumptions about what might happen in the future, based on the plot in which certain events occur. But coming out with a definitive judgment and saying "biological siblings" has neither evidence nor reference. Nami is one of the main LIs. Nami's and Nika's biological families may be connected and may even be alive. But I definitely don't think they are siblings. Nika may be half-sister with Ayua, but she will not have a connection with Nami.

Haha sweet summer child. Nika and Nami are siblings, either they are both related to the Zane's (which they are imo) or none of them is. Nojiko isnt hiding it from them, Ocean is hiding it from patreon. Nojiko, Nami and Nika are all aware about the relationship between each others and how they are related to each other it just cant be stated.

Katie went to the bookclub because of Nami (she didnt knew about Nika), Nami wears Leia's earring, there are more hints linking Nami to the Zane's compared to Nika at this point.

There would be no need at all to create the Nika/Nami relationship this convoluted if they werent related. Why would Zara ask Nika about Nami being a redhead if they were unrelated and so many other things which are completly nonsensial if they were in fact just roommates.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Just to clarify: I wasnt unaware of Nika and Nami's parents being mentioned, it happened multiple times in the story, my hole post was about Nika and Nami and i never mentioned Noji and dont see her really mentioned in the post i replied to now that im awake again.

I was referring to the discord-screenshot from ocean someone posted earlier describing the official relationships as Landlady and Roommates in my post.

Which is only nessecary for Ocean (to use arbitary titles like that) because incest is involved.

Yeah, I got that from your post, I was making more a generalised comment about Landlady =/= mom porn trope, as other post were using landlady-ism. Sorry for using your post as a springboard - I didn't want to quote all the posts, I'm long winded enough as it is.

 

[Maviarab]

Haha sweet summer child. Nika and Nami are siblings, either they are both related to the Zane's (which they are imo) or none of them is. Nojiko isnt hiding it from them, Ocean is hiding it from patreon. Nojiko, Nami and Nika are all aware about the relationship between each others and how they are related to each other it just cant be stated.

Katie went to the bookclub because of Nami (she didnt knew about Nika), Nami wears Leia's earring, there are more hints linking Nami to the Zane's compared to Nika at this point.

There would be no need at all to create the Nika/Nami relationship this convoluted if they werent related. Why would Zara ask Nika about Nami being a redhead if they were unrelated and so many other things which are completly nonsensial if they were in fact just roommates.

Ocean can say what he likes on Discord...Patreon has no authority over Discord. Also, for the four hundreth fucking time....Ocean freely admits the relations in WiAB....which btw...is on Patreon (and makes the official patch)....so why would he 'fudge' about SG (and not make a patch for it himself)? Hmmm?

 

[codex35]

Ocean can say what he likes on Discord...Patreon has no authority over Discord. Also, for the four hundreth fucking time....Ocean freely admits the relations in WiAB....which btw...is on Patreon (and makes the official patch)....so why would he 'fudge' about SG (and not make a patch for itself himself)? Hmmm?

1) he don't want risk maybe somebody use this evidence against him
2) and why every SG release come with patch in seconds what a "mod" we have

 

[Krytax123]

Ocean can say what he likes on Discord...Patreon has no authority over Discord. Also, for the four hundreth fucking time....Ocean freely admits the relations in WiAB....which btw...is on Patreon (and makes the official patch)....so why would he 'fudge' about SG (and not make a patch for it himself)? Hmmm?

You can reply it as often as you want, youre still wrong.

Show me one quote of Ocean admiting to Incest in wiab (hint: you wont find it dude) and the patch for wiab isnt official and he never aknowledged being linked to the patch.

How do you want to know that he made the wiab patch but not the sg patch? There arent any incest patches on his patreon at all. I told you about this stuff already and you will chose to ignore it again anyway.

Show us ocean officially admitting to incest in wiab if your claim is true, you wont be able to.

He handles both avns exactly the same regarding incest and its the smart way to do considering how many devs at the moment getting banned/their sites checked on patreon because of incest-relations in their avns.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Haha sweet summer child. Nika and Nami are siblings, either they are both related to the Zane's (which they are imo) or none of them is. Nojiko isnt hiding it from them, Ocean is hiding it from patreon. Nojiko, Nami and Nika are all aware about the relationship between each others and how they are related to each other it just cant be stated.

Katie went to the bookclub because of Nami (she didnt knew about Nika), Nami wears Leia's earring, there are more hints linking Nami to the Zane's compared to Nika at this point.

There would be no need at all to create the Nika/Nami relationship this convoluted if they werent related. Why would Zara ask Nika about Nami being a redhead if they were unrelated and so many other things which are completly nonsensial if they were in fact just roommates.

Until it's revealed we're guessing and reading what we want to into the gaps. If someone refers to an asian lady as their mum, people would assume they're telling the truth, taking it someone's words at face value. That's why Zara mentions that she expected asians - because Noji probably refered to them as hers when organising dinner. After years people get tired of long explanations, stop explaining the full background, they just go with the shortened form.

Same with Nami being a redhead is just conversation - it's not because they look genetically similar at all - Jeff, Trey and Mila thought they were a couple, not siblings. Zara assumes that because Noji is introducting her kids (even though they're wards/foster/adopted whatever) that they're related. A stranger assumes they're related is proof of nothing, just like Jeff, Trey and Mila's assumption was wrong.

But yeah, based on looks I would assume two completely separate bloodlines, just like Trey, Mila and Jeff did, and be weirded out they they have such a sense of taboo over some things while being completely natural with others. I get that they are raised together in the vanilla version, and that some people would just have a wall in their mind because culturally they've been raised as siblings regardless of biology. But as far as looks? So dissimilar. Maja and Vic have at least some similiarities, Ocean's done two sets of twins. He's just made them they way he wants and we'll find out what percentage alien Nami really is at some point.

 

[RNasc4444]

And Ocean has said they are not. What is the fucking problem exactly? Why would he lie, given he admits it for WiAB? Why? Hmmm? That makes even less sense than this theory. I couldn't care less either way btw...just saying what is...which some folk have a seemingly hard time accepting (though no surprise around this place).

As for rationality and logic...you have actually read both VN's right? Right? lol...I love them both (WiAB more to be fair) but looking for rationality in either lmao...hahaha..,.that's a good one.

Ocean has also answered that for you. The reason why I believe he's lying is Patreon. Simple as that. Why doesn't he do the same for WiAB? Also easy to answer. WiAB makes much less money than SG. Ocean himself has admitted that. He is putting all of his eggs on the SG basket when it comes to financial success. So it would make sense that he does not want to jeopardize SG in any way while WiAB is more "disposable". He can't afford screenshots from discord being used against him in a case against Patreon.

Fully agree with you on the second part. Ocean is barely on the level of DPC when it comes to story writing yet for some reason many people here believe he's the Shakespeare of AVN's. That said, I think we would all like to believe that there is some level of coherence and logic in the story. It can't all be nonsense. If MC and Nami were to be unrelated then:

- Why the constant side eye from Nojiko? Why the fears regarding their "closeness"?
- Why do Nami and the MC view their relationship as taboo if they are unrelated? Why that conversation before getting to the pizza shop?
- Why those exchanges with Vanessa who is smart enough to see what's going on?
- If they are just roommates, why is Nami not choking on MC's cock every single morning to help with his "problem"?
- Why the fuck would these morons keep asking "Why is she red?" If they are unrelated and Nojiko just took in two orphans around the same time why would it be weird that Nami is a ginger?
- Why do MC and Nami speak about memories of their parents as if they do indeed share the same parentage?

I don't have an incest kink. I would prefer if they were not blood related as I intend for Nami to be endgame for me. But the entire fucking script so far really implies that they are. Not just the script but the renders themselves (ex: Nojiko's side eye). None of it would make sense if they don't somehow share the same parentage.

 

[Ragna The Bloodedge]

Haha sweet summer child. Nika and Nami are siblings, either they are both related to the Zane's (which they are imo) or none of them is. Nojiko isnt hiding it from them, Ocean is hiding it from patreon. Nojiko, Nami and Nika are all aware about the relationship between each others and how they are related to each other it just cant be stated.

Katie went to the bookclub because of Nami (she didnt knew about Nika), Nami wears Leia's earring, there are more hints linking Nami to the Zane's compared to Nika at this point.

There would be no need at all to create the Nika/Nami relationship this convoluted if they werent related. Why would Zara ask Nika about Nami being a redhead if they were unrelated and so many other things which are completly nonsensial if they were in fact just roommates.

If user Krytax123 says they are siblings, this is absolutely true. After all, you write the story. Ocean, I forgot it was actually you. Wait, that was confidential information, I shouldn't have said that, sorry xD

 

[Matt2012021]

I just done understand what the big deal is either play without the patch or with it but I get it gotta argue about something while we wait for a release

 

[Maviarab]

Fully agree with you on the second part. Ocean is barely on the level of DPC when it comes to story writing

Bwahahahaha...really? You went there lol...

Please...never mention DPC again...more ridiculous then most stuff around here.

 

[Krytax123]

Until it's revealed we're guessing and reading what we want to into the gaps. If someone refers to an asian lady as their mum, people would assume they're telling the truth, taking it someone's words at face value. That's why Zara mentions that she expected asians - because Noji probably refered to them as hers when organising dinner. After years people get tired of long explanations, stop explaining the full background, they just go with the shortened form.

Same with Nami being a redhead is just conversation - it's not because they look genetically similar at all - Jeff, Trey and Mila thought they were a couple, not siblings. Zara assumes that because Noji is introducting her kids (even though they're wards/foster/adopted whatever) that they're related. A stranger assumes they're related is proof of nothing, just like Jeff, Trey and Mila's assumption was wrong.

But yeah, based on looks I would assume two completely separate bloodlines, just like Trey, Mila and Jeff did, and be weirded out they they have such a sense of taboo over some things while being completely natural with others. I get that they are raised together in the vanilla version, and that some people would just have a wall in their mind because culturally they've been raised as siblings regardless of biology. But as far as looks? So dissimilar. Maja and Vic have at least some similiarities, Ocean's done two sets of twins. He's just made them they way he wants and we'll find out what percentage alien Nami really is at some point.

Of course, Noji just announced bringing her "kids" along and Zara thoughts they were her biological kids which is reasonable to assume but its not about what others assume (in this case Zara), its about Nika's reaction.

Zara says: Dude, why is Nami a cheeto when youre related/family

and Nika replies: Yeah dont know how that happened

Which is nonsensical if they arent related at all, he would just clarify they both being adopted/not related and therefore there would be no reason for them to share any traits.

Its the same with Mila, Jeff and Trey - they assume that Nika and Nami are a couple - and Nika and Nami clarify that they are "Roommates" instead and everyone is like "Ooohhh, i didnt saw that coming!" and its made sounds logical that in this case they obviously couldnt be a couple.

Which is nonsensical, being roommates doesnt exclude being a couple while being siblings very much exclucdes being a couple (in non avn worldview lol) and makes their reactions logical.

Futhermore Nika mentions multiple times (for example after the hangout with mila and vic) how Nami's behavior (flirty, jealous, in love, emotional) could make them vulnerable and them being seen as wieird by others which is illogical, nobody would care about two roommates in love (nobody but noji) but somehow it is a big deal.

Its really such a reach to ignore all these mentions over and over again and again in the avn and imo only possible if youre deliberatly trying to not see them.

 

[sorco2003]

You can reply it as often as you want, youre still wrong.

Show me one quote of Ocean admiting to Incest in wiab (hint: you wont find it dude) and the patch for wiab isnt official and he never aknowledged being linked to the patch.

How do you want to know that he made the wiab patch but not the sg patch? There arent any incest patches on his patreon at all. I told you about this stuff already and you will chose to ignore it again anyway.

Show us ocean officially admitting to incest in wiab if your claim is true, you wont be able to.

He handles both avns exactly the same regarding incest and its the smart way to do considering how many devs at the moment getting banned/their sites checked on patreon because of incest-relations in their avns.

It is a good debate, both AVN have the same DNA, both have patches that appear together with the update (even before as well) both have as an answer in discord that "there are no family relationships" (that is easily found) but, here we have to put the brake, the user formerly known as Oceanlab, did not delete all incriminating posts in WIAB, which he did here in SG.

examples from discord
WIAB spoiler channel
other games channel

etc etc etc

 

[Krytax123]

It is a good debate, both AVN have the same DNA, both have patches that appear together with the update (even before as well) both have as an answer in discord that "there are no family relationships" (that is easily found) but, here we have to put the brake, the user formerly known as Oceanlab, did not delete all incriminating posts in WIAB, which he did here in SG.

examples from discord
View attachment 3249589 WIAB spoiler channel
View attachment 3249592 other games channel

etc etc etc

Im not on his discord anymore, can you show us some "incriminating posts" from him about wiab? i just see the opposite in your screenshots aka he is denying incest in any of his avns.

 

[sorco2003]

Im not on his discord anymore, can you show us some "incriminating posts" from him about wiab? i just see the opposite in your screenshots aka he is denying incest in any of his avns.

It is not in Discord. It is in the WIAB thread in F95.

 

[RNasc4444]

just want to make sure.

ch 1 by Regium
ch 2 by Ocean & Regium
ch 3 by Ocean
ch 3.5 by Ocean, start of rework ?
ch 4 by Ocean, rework of ch 1 complete ?
ch 4.5 by Ocean, reworked ch 2 by 2/3 ?
ch 5 beta by Ocean, rework of ch 2 and modification of ch 3 and 3.5 ?


BTW, it's been a while since I played the first SG chapter, I forgot where the ending chapters 1 - 4 are.

I'm replying for visibility. Maybe some better SG historian can help you out.

All I can say is that CH3 already included a part of the lastest rework such as the intro. So I believe the latest rework started there and not 3.5. I remember clearly because CH3.5 is when the game dropped from my top1 to outside my top10. Ocean started introducing some heavy changes to the story, scenes and characters themselves which ultimately morphed the entire nature of the game.