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Someone's got to die, sooner or later. Most plausibly, some of us of old age while waiting for the end of the game's development.
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I don't remember this scene. When does it happen and in which route?
Anyway, a girl wearing a ring is just a girl wearing a ring. It doesn't mean anything.
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The left is a treat and not a scene in the game. The right is in chapter one.
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You'd have to get your hands on chapter 2 then, beta version released back in December 31, 2019. That was the last version with the old prologue. Chapter 3 was already released with the reworked intro.
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Yep, the one one of Sasha with the ring was a blender test Ocean did to see if he can work the models in Blender in better ways than Daz. THere are plenty of treats/tests where Ocean tries things to see how they'll look, or to fish for feedback I guess.
Another thought regards the ring - someone who gets attention from married men might actually start wearing an engagement ring in public just to throw them off. I knew a few women like that.
One interesting thought I read here was maybe it's Noji's writing - if you remember when they talk about including each other more in their lives and she mentions writing a children's book. Maybe here main reason for not wanting Nika present was because she was nervous about the book being read? Don't know if the theory is true, but I like the idea of it. It would also maybe mean that Katie's presence was specifically to make Noji uncomfortable about the book, as there is no way she would be there just on the off chance to meet Nika, when we've already seen her driving her car around the college. She could easily meet Nika and Nami at the college, especially as the designer for the sportswear - so her presence is almost certainly to upset Noji.
Agreed. Especially as Sasha admits to liking romance stories. She's reading that tension into it - remember that initially there was the argument whether there was any sexual tension in the story? There is no overt relationship, so they're all inferring the wiggling etc. So Sasha is projecting at least a little.
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The information is not mine. I was given such information when I talked about it elsewhere. I wanted to ask here because I'm not sure if it's true. If it's already wrong information, that's better. I don't want to see the characters I love die.
I didn’t got that impression at all tbh. Why should Noji be uncomfortable with Nika hearing her story but actively push Nami to tag along.
She mentioned earlier that her book isn’t finished aswell.
And she didn’t seemed to be uncomfortable, she was pissed and openly confronted Katie about it.
And I didn’t got the feeling of Katie having the intention to upset Noji, it was more like Katie not giving a fuck about Noji‘s opinion about her being there.
I feel like it’s 100% certain that Karie was around because someone from the bookclub leaked to her that Nami would tag along which Noji was very aware about and therefore pissed (and left her bestie (the leaker?) an angry message).
Nika being there too was an added bonus, i think she would have went there for either of the two.
And establishing „first“ contact feels way more natural like that compared to a ZPR sponsor (Or sister of the sponsor) talking to a student at college.
I think it was just a means to introduce herself and observe them without it being awkward.
And I don’t think Katie dislikes Noji at all or intends to make her feel bad, and I don’t think Noji has any problems with Katie other than being concerned about Nika‘s well-being.
That’s why she had no problem with bringing Nami to the club despite possibly meeting the Zane‘s but with Nika and his mental health it’s different.
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It was an interesting theory I came across here, and I know that given the ambitious nature of Ocean's plots, he likely has at least 5 tangents running, why not that as well? Noji knows Nami is flighty and has the attention span of a goldfish (except when she chooses to be serious). Nika takes things seriously. Imagine if it was Noji's writing and Nika say's "Pretty much sounds like 'I'm on my deathbead'".
Also, establishing first contact - I'm pointing out Katie has plenty of opportunity whenever she wants to bump into them, so it's not a given that she appeared because of that. We already know that Nika appeared last minute, and none other than Mila and Vic knew Nika was planning on gatecrashing - Noji didn't know until it was time to leave for the club.
The other great theory someone mentioned is the whole bookclub scene mirrors these threads (I am guilty
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I dont really think Noji would be this offended about Nika saying something bad about her kids-book, she raised him since he was a little boy and usually parents know about the possibility of their kids sometimes being obnoxious, even more in a case like Nika lol.It was an interesting theory I came across here, and I know that given the ambitious nature of Ocean's plots, he likely has at least 5 tangents running, why not that as well? Noji knows Nami is flighty and has the attention span of a goldfish (except when she chooses to be serious). Nika takes things seriously. Imagine if it was Noji's writing and Nika say's "Pretty much sounds like 'I'm on my deathbead'".
Also, establishing first contact - I'm pointing out Katie has plenty of opportunity whenever she wants to bump into them, so it's not a given that she appeared because of that. We already know that Nika appeared last minute, and none other than Mila and Vic knew Nika was planning on gatecrashing - Noji didn't know until it was time to leave for the club.
The other great theory someone mentioned is the whole bookclub scene mirrors these threads (I am guilty
Immediatly after these renders Katie walks up to Nika and to Nami afterwards.
And never ever has Noji of all people an outburst like that just because she feels uncomfortable about Katie hearing her book (which Noji would have provided in this case) being read. We never saw Noji behave like that and i think its very certain that she wouldnt if it isnt about something important.
And as i said, it was planned that Nami was tagging, the people in the bookclub knew about it and one of them told Katie about it and therefore she attended (Nami wears Leia's earring, it isnt only about Nika, Nami is equally important).
I dont think Noji would be this pissed about Katie being there without Nika tagging along as Nami can handle stuff if nessecary. Im sure Noji had at least considered the possibility of a Zane attending when getting knowledge of Nami coming with her (and therefore didnt wanted Nika to tag along), it was only Nika's last minute decision which made it shitty for Noji.
And Katie just got lucky, instead of only meeting one of them she was able to introduce herself to Nami and Nika at the same time in surroundings where shes able to watch them interact with other people and not in an awkward college setting.
Noji very obviously doesnt consider Nika ready to tackle his past yet, thats why she hides her connections to various people including Amber, Sasha and her mother and the Zane's.
Thinking about it the whole story about the tennis-club being too expensive is made up too, Bella offering Noji to get her a better deal as her mother knows sasha's mom is kinda funny considering Noji knows Amber and Elena Petrova herself and apparently knows anyone with influence and wealth lol.
But yeah maybe Ocean just thought: "Lets throw katie in there to mindfuck everyone!"
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Wdym. All Android links here for both SG and WiAB don't have the latest version. SG has 4.5 full and WiAB is at chapter 2
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Just for the record, there's a different between 'either/or' or 'and'. Things can have multiple reasons for complications. Ocean can be breaking the fourth wall AND progressing the plot AND creating tensions. None of these things are mutually exclusive. THe whole book club scene is about not trying to find a canon intrepretation AND it's about canon events. That might seem contradictory, but it's not, simple because there are different levels at which the story is being told.I dont really think Noji would be this offended about Nika saying something bad about her kids-book, she raised him since he was a little boy and usually parents know about the possibility of their kids sometimes being obnoxious, even more in a case like Nika lol.
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Immediatly after these renders Katie walks up to Nika and to Nami afterwards.
And never ever has Noji of all people an outburst like that just because she feels uncomfortable about Katie hearing her book (which Noji would have provided in this case) being read. We never saw Noji behave like that and i think its very certain that she wouldnt if it isnt about something important.
And as i said, it was planned that Nami was tagging, the people in the bookclub knew about it and one of them told Katie about it and therefore she attended (Nami wears Leia's earring, it isnt only about Nika, Nami is equally important).
I dont think Noji would be this pissed about Katie being there without Nika tagging along as Nami can handle stuff if nessecary. Im sure Noji had at least considered the possibility of a Zane attending when getting knowledge of Nami coming with her (and therefore didnt wanted Nika to tag along), it was only Nika's last minute decision which made it shitty for Noji.
And Katie just got lucky, instead of only meeting one of them she was able to introduce herself to Nami and Nika at the same time in surroundings where shes able to watch them interact with other people and not in an awkward college setting.
Noji very obviously doesnt consider Nika ready to tackle his past yet, thats why she hides her connections to various people including Amber, Sasha and her mother and the Zane's.
Thinking about it the whole story about the tennis-club being too expensive is made up too, Bella offering Noji to get her a better deal as her mother knows sasha's mom is kinda funny considering Noji knows Amber and Elena Petrova herself and apparently knows anyone with influence and wealth lol.
But yeah maybe Ocean just thought: "Lets throw katie in there to mindfuck everyone!"
A story always requires us to extrapolate from ourselves, we read our selves into every story, the level with which we identify will most likely make the story more significant to us. Ocean plays with percepttion a lot, with multiple visual threads in and out of focus; why would he not do the same with the plot? Noji can be upset for more than one reason at a time - I know my family are capable of whole shitstorms based on things that only exist in their mind's perception that no one else can see. So yeah, not arguing against the obvious reading of the events but interested to see if there are more tangents. Just as Sasha's words are metaphors foreshadowing her potential relationships with Nika, thaey can also break the fourth wall, and they can also relate Noji's book if it even is, all at the same time.
This is probably the greatest strength in Ocean's writing; he allows for subtext, he allows for interpretation and speculation. Very few AVN's (in my opinion) can keep the abiguity going for so long as a plot device. Keeping things amorphous allows Ocean to keep the intrigue agile.
Don't mind me, just back from a gig, slightly too much whine with my wine. And definitely Ocean said let's mind fuck everybody, that is guaranteed in every situation other than Nami's bread rolls.
I agree with everything you wrote, it’s just the Noji‘s book stuff I deem unlikely and kinda random hahaJust for the record, there's a different between 'either/or' or 'and'. Things can have multiple reasons for complications. Ocean can be breaking the fourth wall AND progressing the plot AND creating tensions. None of these things are mutually exclusive. THe whole book club scene is about not trying to find a canon intrepretation AND it's about canon events. That might seem contradictory, but it's not, simple because there are different levels at which the story is being told.
A story always requires us to extrapolate from ourselves, we read our selves into every story, the level with which we identify will most likely make the story more significant to us. Ocean plays with percepttion a lot, with multiple visual threads in and out of focus; why would he not do the same with the plot? Noji can be upset for more than one reason at a time - I know my family are capable of whole shitstorms based on things that only exist in their mind's perception that no one else can see. So yeah, not arguing against the obvious reading of the events but interested to see if there are more tangents. Just as Sasha's words are metaphors foreshadowing her potential relationships with Nika, thaey can also break the fourth wall, and they can also relate Noji's book if it even is, all at the same time.
This is probably the greatest strength in Ocean's writing; he allows for subtext, he allows for interpretation and speculation. Very few AVN's (in my opinion) can keep the abiguity going for so long as a plot device. Keeping things amorphous allows Ocean to keep the intrigue agile.
Don't mind me, just back from a gig, slightly too much whine with my wine. And definitely Ocean said let's mind fuck everybody, that is guaranteed in every situation other than Nami's bread rolls.
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If it works out to be included in that way, it would be as random as the raccoons, mice ...and bread rolls
I mean what better way for Noji to get it proof read?
But it'll certainly never be an A grade mystery like how Noji seems to know everyone important in the town personally and is hiding it.
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