VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[John972]

I'm not saying Katie isn't interested in him, but he wasn't the main event. I'm suggesting that Katie's interest in him is less than her interest in Nami. I'm also saying that her interest in him might be something other than the assumed explanation. There isn't a single render that proves Nika is a Zane.

It's hard to know Katie's motivation at the book club. I assume she is interested in both Nika and Nami more or less equally, but the book club meet presented her with an opportunity to see one of them. Nika being there was an added bonus.

Katie spoke to Nika and we (the player) were privy to that conversation. We don't know what was said when she spoke to Nami or how long that conversation lasted. Katie did seem intent on a cursory introduction with Nika, so she could go speak with Nami.

PS - every render of Nika hints that he's possibly a Zane - his unique eye colour (an eye colour shared only by members of the Zane and Von Halen families in SG and WIAB).

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[BobTheDuck]

It's hard to know Katie's motivation at the book club. I assume she is interested in both Nika and Nami more or less equally, but the book club meet presented her with an opportunity to see one of them. Nika being there was an added bonus.

Katie spoke to Nika and we (the player) were privy to that conversation. We don't know what was said when she spoke to Nami or how long that conversation lasted. Katie did seem intent on a cursory introduction with Nika, so she could go speak with Nami.

PS - every render of Nika hints that he's possibly a Zane - his unique eye colour (an eye colour shared only by members of the Zane and Von Halen families in SG and WIAB).

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I'm going with the same assumption - Katie has interest in both of them, but we don't know why and we're makign our own conjectures. She could have interest in either of them for separate/different reasons. We also can assume (reasonably) that Nami met a Zane while Summer was still around (to receive the earring) which means Noji isn't necessarily hiding them well, if that's what she's trying to do. It's also easy to assume that Katie spoke with Nami for the length of time Nika spoke with Noji, but it's off screen, so you're right, we don't know how long their interaction was. She might've just said hi the same way to both of them.

About eye colours - Cerill looks comparablely close to Bella and Nika, but the lighting of the scene she shares with them makes it hard (almost impossible) to tell. Claire is yellow/brown (similar to Susan) in the bookclub, and Penelope has green with a slight yellow tinge (again depending on the lighting in the render). I'm pretty sure can assume Amber is not a Zane given her age. Given Vic is more similar to Claire rather than Maja, and even Susan and Bella have similar depending on the lighting.

After all, in the bookclub scene Katie is clearly blue, and so is Nami, and Katie and Emilia are 100% identical in colour.

Below are just a few renders that kinda show to me I'm going to stay out of eye comparison debates - Ocean's light sources are never neutral and change everything. Below we have a case for the maternal side of the Zane's being blue (Scarlet is also blue, and as you corrected me Kat is also blue), while Leia and Dylan are the odd ones then. Also, Vic is closer to Nika than to Maja, Summer and Nami might as well be twins...

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[John972]

I'm going with the same assumption - Katie has interest in both of them, but we don't know why and we're makign our own conjectures. She could have interest in either of them for separate/different reasons. We also can assume (reasonably) that Nami met a Zane while Summer was still around (to receive the earring) which means Noji isn't necessarily hiding them well, if that's what she's trying to do. It's also easy to assume that Katie spoke with Nami for the length of time Nika spoke with Noji, but it's off screen, so you're right, we don't know how long their interaction was. She might've just said hi the same way to both of them.

About eye colours - Cerill looks comparablely close to Bella and Nika, but the lighting of the scene she shares with them makes it hard (almost impossible) to tell. Claire is yellow/brown (similar to Susan) in the bookclub, and Penelope has green with a slight yellow tinge (again depending on the lighting in the render). I'm pretty sure can assume Amber is not a Zane given her age. Given Vic is more similar to Claire rather than Maja, and even Susan and Bella have similar depending on the lighting.

After all, in the bookclub scene Katie is clearly blue, and so is Nami, and Katie and Emilia are 100% identical in colour.

Below are just a few renders that kinda show to me I'm going to stay out of eye comparison debates - Ocean's light sources are never neutral and change everything. Below we have a case for the maternal side of the Zane's being blue (Scarlet is also blue, and as you corrected me Kat is also blue), while Leia and Dylan are the odd ones then. Also, Vic is closer to Nika than to Maja, Summer and Nami might as well be twins...

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Blue is by far the most common eye colour in the Oveanverse. A couple of characters (Miru and Helen, for example) have grey or blue/grey eyes. However, those with hazel/yellow/green stand out from the rest.

So, looking at some of those with hazel/yellow/green eyes:

Leia, whereas Katie has blue eyes, William is kinda half-and-half
Victoria, whereas Maja has blue eyes
Nika, whereas Nami has blue eyes

...and you're right. Different lighting in different renders makes it hard to judge eye colours singularly. It's hard to find a well-lit render of WIAB William, for example. However, I looked at multiple renders while compiling my previous post, and selected ones that more-or-less clearly illustrated eye colour.

 

[John972]

Everyone, as you know, ZPR stands for Zane, Petrova and Revera families. We know a little about Zane and the Petrovas, but we don't know much about the Revera family. When Nika goes to Vic's house, she is talking to Mila in the kitchen. While Nika and Mila are talking there, Nika asks her about the Revera family. Mila also tells him, "There is someone with that name in the first team." Is the first team he is talking about here the women's team or the men's team? If it is a men's team, who is the potential member of the Revera family? Could it be Dwight? Because we saw Dwight and Sasha together on the first day of school. Or could it be Aziz? Because the conversation between Aziz and his mother at the pizzeria felt a little suspicious. Are there any theories regarding this?

We kinda assume the Revera in the basketball first team may be the progeny of Donna Revera from WIAB. Molly, Aziz's mother, is definitely not Donna Rivera.

 

[John972]

Men's team or women's team? As for the men's team, are there any name theories? "There may be a person named X".

It's not explicitly stated which team.

If it's the men's team and the mother/father were both white, then it's either Dwight or Jake. Otherwise Jazz, Dex, and Larry are also contenders. Of course, we haven't met the female first team yet and we don't know if there's more male players we haven't seen.

We don't know Dwight's relationship to Sasha - could he be her brother (i.e. a Petrova) or a Revera?

 

[BobTheDuck]

Blue is by far the most common eye colour in the Oveanverse. A couple of characters (Miru and Helen, for example) have grey or blue/grey eyes. However, those with hazel/yellow/green stand out from the rest.

So, looking at some of those with hazel/yellow/green eyes:

Leia, whereas Katie has blue eyes, William is kinda half-and-half
Victoria, whereas Maja has blue eyes
Nika, whereas Nami has blue eyes

...and you're right. Different lighting in different renders makes it hard to judge eye colours singularly. It's hard to find a well-lit render of WIAB William, for example. However, I looked at multiple renders while compiling my previous post, and selected ones that more-or-less clearly illustrated eye colour.

I went down the rabbit hole regards William's eyes, the right eye is blue consistently, and the left is hazel/green/flecks of brown, depending on the lighting.

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So my thought about the green hazel thing - it's not a Zane trait, Dylan and Leia (and half of WIlliam) are the only Zane's to really have it, wihile Katie, Scarlet, Helen, Kat and half of William are blue. And there are quite a few hazel eyed people with no relation whatsoever.

We kinda assume the Revera in the basketball first team may be the progeny of Donna Revera from WIAB. Molly, Aziz's mother, is definitely not Donna Rivera.

Very true, we also don't know if Donna has any brothers, or how big the Revera family is. Assuming she's unmarried in WiaB, any Revera would most likely have to be her brother's child to have the Revera name. Jazz is unlikely to be the Revera, and we're assuming Dwight isn't. Jake with the ponytail maybe? Aziz seems the most likely of what we've seen to be an important character, as well as having some trouble in his background. Edit: I saw you mentioned the same things while I was longwinded with the eyes thing.

 

[John972]

So my thought about the green hazel thing - it's not a Zane trait, Dylan and Leia (and half of WIlliam) are the only Zane's to really have it, wihile Katie, Scarlet, Helen, Kat and half of William are blue. And there are quite a few hazel eyed people with no relation whatsoever.

I kinda work on the unofficial WIAB canon that William, Leia, and Katie are siblings and Dylan and Helen are their parents. So, when I say the hazel/green/yellow is a Zane trait, it comes from Dylan's family line. Leia has Dylan's eye colour, Katie has Helen's, and William has a bit of both... I'm not saying that's how genetics work, 'just that it may be a plot device.

Off the cuff, I can no longer remember if Joe is related to Dylan, making Scarlet an auntie and Katerina a cousin. Joe does appear in the old WIAB, 'can't remember his eye colour.

 

[Krytax123]

I kinda work on the unofficial WIAB canon that William, Leia, and Katie are siblings and Dylan and Helen are their parents. So, when I say the hazel/green/yellow is a Zane trait, it comes from Dylan's family line. Leia has Dylan's eye colour, Katie has Helen's, and William has a bit of both... I'm not saying that's how genetics work, 'just that it may be a plot device.

Off the cuff, I can no longer remember if Joe is related to Dylan, making Scarlet an auntie and Katerina a cousin. Joe does appear in the old WIAB, 'can't remember his eye colour.

Yeah in Wiab Joe is the uncle (not blood-related), Scarlet is Helen's sister. Thats probably the reason why Leia took over the drug network (family buisness).

 

[BobTheDuck]

I kinda work on the unofficial WIAB canon that William, Leia, and Katie are siblings and Dylan and Helen are their parents. So, when I say the hazel/green/yellow is a Zane trait, it comes from Dylan's family line. Leia has Dylan's eye colour, Katie has Helen's, and William has a bit of both... I'm not saying that's how genetics work, 'just that it may be a plot device.

Off the cuff, I can no longer remember if Joe is related to Dylan, making Scarlet an auntie and Katerina a cousin. Joe does appear in the old WIAB, 'can't remember his eye colour.

In that sense it is the family trait, but the wider Zane clan is the matriachal side genetically, so to some extent, the hazel/green is still the odd one out - there's more of it in the Von Halen's genetics by the look of it. In the old WiaB Joe's eyes were really blue, and Lucas was kinda between hazel and grey, hard to tell - his face is very forgettable.

Yeah in Wiab Joe is the uncle (not blood-related), Scarlet is Helen's sister. Thats probably the reason why Leia took over the drug network (family buisness).

That was the way I understood it too. I'm presuming Fred is Joe's brother, and that's the connection to the barn, why they were hanging out there as kids.

 

[Garen]

Am I the only one that thinks Ayua looks worse now?

Nope.

CH3 Ayua was super hot. Her model has become "better" in 3.5 but before that she had the right blend of fantasy and reality to her appearance.

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Ayua and Mila's changes were the most jarring but Mila has since been fixed.
Sadly, we're not getting old Ayua back. Tube-top Ayua was peak.

 

[gabrixp1]

Is Nami solo route bugged?

 

[Darker than Black]

Is Nami solo route bugged?

I played it many times and I did not encounter any errors. What kind of problem did you experience?

 

[xortor]

Ayua and Mila's changes were the most jarring but Mila has since been fixed.

Wait... Mila is no longer a Fatty McFatty? Pls be true.

 

[Alexanderson037500aa]

Wait... Mila is no longer a Fatty McFatty? Pls be true.

Well, it is up to you to decide.

 

[Mr_Mister]

i just hope for Ocean to make Mc and Nami not related to the any of the families or characters in Wiab so that way all the twists and turns in the story will takes for a ride all the way till the end.
instead of the predictable Mc and Nami are the kids of of so and so and were give em' to Nojiko so she can hide em' and protect em', either because they're incest children or they were in danger.

by the way the highways and streets of this city are super dangerous Mc's parents died in a car crash , Nami's parents died in a car crash , Vic and Maja's parents died in a car crash , Vic almost got killed by speeding car and Zara's dad almost got killed by drunk driver.

does this people live in the blues brothers world?

 

[The Krogan Dude]

by the way the highways and streets of this city are super dangerous Mc's parents died in a car crash , Nami's parents died in a car crash , Vic and Maja's parents died in a car crash , Vic almost got killed by speeding car and Zara's dad almost got killed by drunk driver.

And yet Bella is into street racing

 

[nobody0]

And yet Bella is into street racing

Maybe that is why the streets are so dangerous.

 

[Darker than Black]

And yet Bella is into street racing

I think the race is crucial for the story. I believe something significant will happen to Bella during that race.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Something I noticed while trying to remember something else from the WiaB thread - reworked WiaB Ch1 Scarlet before the Ch1 release, post hideous original granny Scarlet. I'd forgotten about this. I'll assume Ocean just decided the character was too good to be unused and kept it for grown up SG Dani (presumably). Nice to see some of the offcuts become useful.

 

[John972]

i just hope for Ocean to make Mc and Nami not related to the any of the families or characters in Wiab so that way all the twists and turns in the story will takes for a ride all the way till the end.
instead of the predictable Mc and Nami are the kids of of so and so and were give em' to Nojiko so she can hide em' and protect em', either because they're incest children or they were in danger.

Here's a plot twist for you... Nika and Nami are the progeny of Krayt gang members. Leia and William Zane had Nika and Nami's parents murdered in an underworld turf war. /s