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I dunno, I might be misremembering, but a comment Zara makes during the tennis match at her place made me think Vanessa has the habit of toying with her too and push her buttons on purpose. But I agree, she's highly intelligent. I liked how she immediately drops the façade when Nika calls her out and shows he might not be as easy to manipulate.
I did mentioned that I haven't played it yet, so I have no idea what you're talking about :HideThePain:

Or did I forget about the tennis match? Did it happen already?
I'll have to start from the beginning anyway, since now the rework is done. I'm guessing I'm starting to forget all the scenes I've seen already.
I think I'm starting to remember now something about the tennis... Damn it. It did happen already. :HideThePain: I don't remember any details though. None at all.

Right, Zara did mentioned the games Vanessa likes to play. She did it at the tennis match - this was the part that I forgot. The "where" part.
I was just guessing that maybe her games with the people she likes are rather different from the games she plays with the people she doesn't like.

Thanks for reminding me about the tennis match!
 
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I did mentioned that I haven't played it yet, so I have no idea what you're talking about :HideThePain:

Or did I forget about the tennis match? Did it happen already?
I'll have to start from the beginning anyway, since now the rework is done. I'm guessing I'm starting to forget all the scenes I've seen already.
I think I'm starting to remember now something about the tennis... Damn it. It did happen already. :HideThePain: I don't remember any details though. None at all.
There was no tennis match yet, there was only a friendly basketball game against 2 neighbors after Nika had moved in with Zara's family.
 
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Joffrey was clearly an idiot, not a genius.

Also, I haven't seen any evidence yet that Vanessa is psychotic. She has freakishly high IQ, but this doesn't mean automatically that she's a psycho. She could be, but I doubt it.

I had an impression that she likes to play with people who aren't very nice. She is playing some game with the Holgersson asshole(s), but she hasn't finished that game yet. And she has a plan. Possibly a better one than cylons had...

When she met Bella in the cafe last time, she figured out almost instantly that Bella also has some kind of a plan and is trying to use her to play a game of her own. She tried to find out what her game is and why is Bella trying to use her while playing a dumb airhead herself.
She also probably isn't very sure how nice of a person Bella really is, since people know more about the queen bee Bella who can be quite cruel sometimes.

And she likely thinks that Nika has also something to do with Bella's plan. So she has been cautious about Nika. Since Nika already knows that she's not an airhead, she didn't try to play one with him. However, she has been trying to find out if Nika is a nice person or an asshole and maybe how much he is involved in Bella's plan, trying to find more clues about their game and why or how they are trying to use her.

I haven't played the ch5 beta, so I don't know how much this story has progressed since the last chapter.

I think that depending on the impression she is going to get about Nika, she can become either a friend and an ally, a neutral "friend" who simply won't play their game or get involved in it or she is going to teach them a lesson of some kind.
Your comment shows an absolute lack of understanding of the characters.
1. Vanessa is the personification of evil. Absolute. And therefore the Holgersons may turn out to be very worthy people.
2. Vanessa has a very close connection with Bella. They are "partners". And Vanessa is in charge. She knows everything about Bella's plans because they are her plans :)))
 

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Your comment shows an absolute lack of understanding of the characters.
1. Vanessa is the personification of evil. Absolute. And therefore the Holgersons may turn out to be very worthy people.
2. Vanessa has a very close connection with Bella. They are "partners". And Vanessa is in charge. She knows everything about Bella's plans because they are her plans :)))
Considering your conspiracy theories about the game and its characters, everyone but you are wrong about everything and everyone :ROFLMAO:
 

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Re Vanessa.

I had a classmate once that was giving off the same creepy vibe as Vanessa. Okay, there were other signs as well, but the first thing I noticed about him was the.... "energy" and how uncomfortable I felt around him. Like with Vanessa I couldn't immediately explain what it was, but again things came to light that confirmed my wariness.

2 months into classes his mind snapped and he murdered both of his parents. Take it as you will that I'm exaggerating or seeing ghosts or something, but there is a LOT of stuff that's unsettling about that woman. I tend to listen to my instincts because through my life I've learned it's a good idea and saved me from shit several times. IRL I would avoid Vanessa as much as possible.

And to me, large breasts, butt, hips and thighs are aesthetically unappealing.
So, you're repulsed by the very things that make a woman, a woman? ;):LOL:

The tennis match happens before they have the naked hot tub party.
Oh right, I forgot about that one. For some reason I thought the only tennis match is the one still to come.

Wait, is it confirmed she tortured cats or is this just hyperbole? Did I miss something?
Hyperbole. I find her creepy as fuck and wouldn't be surprised if we later found out something like that about her.
 
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Re Vanessa.

I had a classmate once that was giving off the same creepy vibe as Vanessa. Okay, there were other signs as well, but the first thing I noticed about him was the.... "energy" and how uncomfortable I felt around him. Like with Vanessa I couldn't immediately explain what it was, but again things came to light that confirmed my wariness.

2 months into classes his mind snapped and he murdered both of his parents. Take it as you will that I'm exaggerating or seeing ghosts or something, but there is a LOT of stuff that's unsettling about that woman. I tend to listen to my instincts because through my life I've learned it's a good idea and saved me from shit several times. IRL I would avoid Vanessa as much as possible.
Vanessa is a fictional character, you're reading too much into it.
So, you're repulsed by the very things that make a woman, a woman? ;):LOL:
Let's agree to disagree. Having humongous udders never made a woman more womanly than a girl with smaller well formed tiddies that will never sag and hang over her belly button. Quantity vs quality. :cool:
Either can be good, just a matter of taste.
It's always good to have a variety though. And it's not so good if the variety tends to incline too far toward either side from the initial status quo. :cry:
 
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Re Vanessa.

I had a classmate once that was giving off the same creepy vibe as Vanessa. Okay, there were other signs as well, but the first thing I noticed about him was the.... "energy" and how uncomfortable I felt around him. Like with Vanessa I couldn't immediately explain what it was, but again things came to light that confirmed my wariness.

2 months into classes his mind snapped and he murdered both of his parents. Take it as you will that I'm exaggerating or seeing ghosts or something, but there is a LOT of stuff that's unsettling about that woman. I tend to listen to my instincts because through my life I've learned it's a good idea and saved me from shit several times. IRL I would avoid Vanessa as much as possible.
Sure, my friend, I believe you. :Kappa:
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So, you're repulsed by the very things that make a woman, a woman? ;):LOL:
If you actually believe large breasts, thighs, butts and hips are what "makes a woman, a woman", you have some serious issues bud. There are a couple billion women out there that will be very sad to know that they aren't actually women because they don't have circus freak proportions :ROFLMAO:

But anyways, to each their own. Just no fatties here please, I'm no chubby chaser ;)
 

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Sure, my friend, I believe you. :Kappa:
Couldn't really give less of a damn if you don't believe me, my life isn't affected by your disbelief in any way.


If you actually believe large breasts, thighs, butts and hips are what "makes a woman, a woman", you have some serious issues bud.
Nah, I think you have some serious issues when you can't even recognize a joke even when it's marked TWO different joking emojies.BUD. My apologies if I stepped on your dick to make you react that out of proportions. :p:unsure:


In case it wan't clear that part was me just poking fun. Just a little jab at the user that implied (twice!) that I am gay because my preference are women with more modest proportions :)
Man, I really did step on something. I didn't imply anything. Also, when was that other time?
 

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She is playing some game with the Holgersson asshole(s), but she hasn't finished that game yet. And she has a plan. Possibly a better one than cylons had...
Before I saw Donna in WiAB, I was absolutely convinced that her mother is Leia. So I thought about the possibility that her relationship with Mario is a part of some scheme by the Zanes against the Holgersons. What I didn't know because of my lack of attention is that she and Mario have been dating for a year now. So this theory is unlikely or Vanessa has a very big patience. She still could be Zane though.
I think that depending on the impression she is going to get about Nika, she can become either a friend and an ally, a neutral "friend" who simply won't play their game or get involved in it or she is going to teach them a lesson of some kind.
I see her as a trickster in the main story. She's connected to the Holgersons, possibly to the Zanes, and now to Nika. She will make moves behind their backs watching everyone face the consequences and clean up the mess.

Very minor spoiler of chapter 5. Since you still haven't seen it, I'll hide it.

I really hope for the possibility of starting her path in the future even if she left a bad impression on Nika after chapter 4 and from chapter 5 he starts openly confront her. Because then it's definitely will be the most intense path in my opinion.
Re Vanessa.


I had a classmate once that was giving off the same creepy vibe as Vanessa. Okay, there were other signs as well, but the first thing I noticed about him was the.... "energy" and how uncomfortable I felt around him. Like with Vanessa I couldn't immediately explain what it was, but again things came to light that confirmed my wariness.



2 months into classes his mind snapped and he murdered both of his parents. Take it as you will that I'm exaggerating or seeing ghosts or something, but there is a LOT of stuff that's unsettling about that woman. I tend to listen to my instincts because through my life I've learned it's a good idea and saved me from shit several times. IRL I would avoid Vanessa as much as possible.
I have the best possible theory about Vanessa so you can hate her even more. She kidnapped Summer and gave her to the Holgersons who sold her to pedophiles. Case solved.
Yep, Sasha is the main LI I'm interested in, I think her arc will be pretty interesting.
I just love the scene where she appears out of the darkness in front of Nika. It was amazing. This, Nika holding Zara over the pool and him changing clothes in front of Vanessa are my favorite moments in terms of style and directing scene.

I'm still conflicted about Zara or Vanessa in my first playthrough. A little more and Sasha will join them.
 
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Before I saw Donna in WiAB, I was absolutely convinced that her mother is Leia. So I thought about the possibility that her relationship with Mario is a part of some scheme by the Zanes against the Holgersons. What I didn't know because of my lack of attention is that she and Mario have been dating for a year now. So this theory is unlikely or Vanessa has a very big patience. She still could be Zane though.
I see her as a trickster in the main story. She's connected to the Holgersons, possibly to the Zanes, and now to Nika. She will make moves behind their backs watching everyone face the consequences and clean up the mess.

Very minor spoiler of chapter 5. Since you still haven't seen it, I'll hide it.

I really hope for the possibility of starting her path in the future even if she left a bad impression on Nika after chapter 4 and from chapter 5 he starts openly confront her. Because then it's definitely will be the most intense path in my opinion.

I have the best possible theory about Vanessa so you can hate her even more. She kidnapped Summer and gave her to the Holgersons who sold her to pedophiles. Case solved.

I just love the scene where she appears out of the darkness in front of Nika. It was amazing. This, Nika holding Zara over the pool and him changing clothes in front of Vanessa are my favorite moments in terms of style and directing scene.

I'm still conflicted about Zara or Vanessa in my first playthrough. A little more and Sasha will join them.
The thing I've come to realise from developing theories of who the unknown parents is that Ocean hasn't given us anything to work with other than model resemblance (which means nothing to maybe everything). What we're trying to do is work out what happened in WiaB in effect, because we're curious. Interesting fact - other than Nick and Stefan, what male parents are known? We see Charlie, Amber and Genevieve, know of Elena, Sandra, Layla's mom, and we expect that there's a very limited number of characters that could be Ayua's mom, and that Donna is most likely a mom (of the Revera on the first team). There's a big gap of fathers. We joke that William is the city father, but at least in WiaB there are a reasonable number of male characters.

The reason we think like this is the ridiculous AVN logic that no one should be allowed to impregnate anyone other than the MC, because it removes virgin LI's from the pool (ie no virgin births implies sex was had by someone).

Until we see a character, we have no idea they exist. There are likely to be other fathers than Nick and Stefan, but currently they're not important to anything, or they're purposefully hidden. I can guarantee that most of my guesses about paternage are wrong as fun as it is to guess.

Regards complex paths: I think that once each character's trauma is explored, there will be a lot of complexity. Vic's will be emotionally challenging because there's nothing Nika can do to help her walk again, and there's Melanie in the background. Mila's issues with Mario and her parent haven't gone away (she's still the suspect seeing we haven't heard otherwise). Marla will need to have one heck of a compelling story to be a plausible LI. Sasha will be complex because of the rigidity of her social standing/upbringing. Sonya will be challenging because her parents will likely want to beat Nika into a smear. Ocean will raise the value of each story line, and people will go with what resonates with them. I don't think there will be any 'simple' relationship arc. Vanessa's will be the one where Nika feels the least in control though.

And I liked you post mainly because no one really talks about how amazing that last panic attack scene was. It's up there with the single render of Zara in the street basketball game for me - both scenes convey much more than the script does at those points.
 
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