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The difference here is that RNasc4444 only stated their own preference, while jllkfsdj said those cartoonish proportions is the definition of a woman, implying that only females with exaggerated proportions are real women.
So nice try, but you fail at the game.
RNasc4444
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In case it wan't clear that part was me just poking fun. Just a little jab at the user that implied (twice!) that I am gay because my preference are women with more modest proportions
Couldn't really give less of a damn if you don't believe me, my life isn't affected by your disbelief in any way.Sure, my friend, I believe you.
Nah, I think you have some serious issues when you can't even recognize a joke even when it's marked TWO different joking emojies.BUD. My apologies if I stepped on your dick to make you react that out of proportions.
Man, I really did step on something. I didn't imply anything. Also, when was that other time?In case it wan't clear that part was me just poking fun. Just a little jab at the user that implied (twice!) that I am gay because my preference are women with more modest proportions
N1ghtcrawler
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Before I saw Donna in WiAB, I was absolutely convinced that her mother is Leia. So I thought about the possibility that her relationship with Mario is a part of some scheme by the Zanes against the Holgersons. What I didn't know because of my lack of attention is that she and Mario have been dating for a year now. So this theory is unlikely or Vanessa has a very big patience. She still could be Zane though.
I see her as a trickster in the main story. She's connected to the Holgersons, possibly to the Zanes, and now to Nika. She will make moves behind their backs watching everyone face the consequences and clean up the mess.
Very minor spoiler of chapter 5. Since you still haven't seen it, I'll hide it.
I really hope for the possibility of starting her path in the future even if she left a bad impression on Nika after chapter 4 and from chapter 5 he starts openly confront her. Because then it's definitely will be the most intense path in my opinion.
I have the best possible theory about Vanessa so you can hate her even more. She kidnapped Summer and gave her to the Holgersons who sold her to pedophiles. Case solved.
I just love the scene where she appears out of the darkness in front of Nika. It was amazing. This, Nika holding Zara over the pool and him changing clothes in front of Vanessa are my favorite moments in terms of style and directing scene.
I'm still conflicted about Zara or Vanessa in my first playthrough. A little more and Sasha will join them.
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TIGER ACE
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Bruh I have waiting for sooo long, Ever since he started/announced redoing previous stuff, I have been holding out to play when he is done...... I can't take it anymore
BobTheDuck
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The thing I've come to realise from developing theories of who the unknown parents is that Ocean hasn't given us anything to work with other than model resemblance (which means nothing to maybe everything). What we're trying to do is work out what happened in WiaB in effect, because we're curious. Interesting fact - other than Nick and Stefan, what male parents are known? We see Charlie, Amber and Genevieve, know of Elena, Sandra, Layla's mom, and we expect that there's a very limited number of characters that could be Ayua's mom, and that Donna is most likely a mom (of the Revera on the first team). There's a big gap of fathers. We joke that William is the city father, but at least in WiaB there are a reasonable number of male characters.
The reason we think like this is the ridiculous AVN logic that no one should be allowed to impregnate anyone other than the MC, because it removes virgin LI's from the pool (ie no virgin births implies sex was had by someone).
Until we see a character, we have no idea they exist. There are likely to be other fathers than Nick and Stefan, but currently they're not important to anything, or they're purposefully hidden. I can guarantee that most of my guesses about paternage are wrong as fun as it is to guess.
Regards complex paths: I think that once each character's trauma is explored, there will be a lot of complexity. Vic's will be emotionally challenging because there's nothing Nika can do to help her walk again, and there's Melanie in the background. Mila's issues with Mario and her parent haven't gone away (she's still the suspect seeing we haven't heard otherwise). Marla will need to have one heck of a compelling story to be a plausible LI. Sasha will be complex because of the rigidity of her social standing/upbringing. Sonya will be challenging because her parents will likely want to beat Nika into a smear. Ocean will raise the value of each story line, and people will go with what resonates with them. I don't think there will be any 'simple' relationship arc. Vanessa's will be the one where Nika feels the least in control though.
And I liked you post mainly because no one really talks about how amazing that last panic attack scene was. It's up there with the single render of Zara in the street basketball game for me - both scenes convey much more than the script does at those points.
I view Vanessa as a semi-bored predator.
She is very intelligent; she is happy to use her feminine gifts to draw men and women out; she wants to push people's buttons to see how they tick and what advantage can be made of that information.
I think a man who immediately simps for Vanessa quickly loses her interest - she already has a collection of those so why add another (like the MC) to that collection?
I think that the MC, by putting her at arm's length and not trusting her, has put himself on her radar (not as a threat but as a curiosity to be explored thru time).
I think the MC and Nami have to be Very careful sharing Nick's roof with Vanessa as she pays close attention to body language and Nami is not exactly subtle in her interactions with the MC (at least for my MC who does not reject her outright but takes more of a middle ground approach to the Nami/MC relationship).
IRL - I see Vanessa as the kind of person who pursues a PHD in Psychology so that they cannot just better understand people but so that they can better manipulate them to gain advantage.
We still don't know much about the mom of Vanessa and Zara (other than how abusive she was to Zara).
What part of her did Vanessa take on as part of admiring a female role model?
We know that she helped Zara avoid being manipulated by her mom when Nick and the mom were getting divorced, but we know very little about the mom and I can't see Vanessa letting something slip unintentionally (meaning I trust no reveal by Vanessa that I cannot corroborate with at least one other trusted 3rd party source).
I trusted the Bella reveal about Zara's treatment by her mother and I think the MC is building a relationship with Zara where he will trust what Zara shares as well, once Zara starts to open up to him.
I don't know who will provide that insight into Vanessa, particularly given that they are traveling in different social circles.
Ocean tells a nuanced story and Vanessa could be someone who will be revealed as better/more trustworthy than the person the MC has interacted with so far (meaning the semi-bored predator is a persona - Vanessa's armor - allowing her to avoid most hurts inflicted by the world).
Until that reveal though, Vanessa stays well outside my MC's circle of trust.
Cheers!!
She is very intelligent; she is happy to use her feminine gifts to draw men and women out; she wants to push people's buttons to see how they tick and what advantage can be made of that information.
I think a man who immediately simps for Vanessa quickly loses her interest - she already has a collection of those so why add another (like the MC) to that collection?
I think that the MC, by putting her at arm's length and not trusting her, has put himself on her radar (not as a threat but as a curiosity to be explored thru time).
I think the MC and Nami have to be Very careful sharing Nick's roof with Vanessa as she pays close attention to body language and Nami is not exactly subtle in her interactions with the MC (at least for my MC who does not reject her outright but takes more of a middle ground approach to the Nami/MC relationship).
IRL - I see Vanessa as the kind of person who pursues a PHD in Psychology so that they cannot just better understand people but so that they can better manipulate them to gain advantage.
We still don't know much about the mom of Vanessa and Zara (other than how abusive she was to Zara).
What part of her did Vanessa take on as part of admiring a female role model?
We know that she helped Zara avoid being manipulated by her mom when Nick and the mom were getting divorced, but we know very little about the mom and I can't see Vanessa letting something slip unintentionally (meaning I trust no reveal by Vanessa that I cannot corroborate with at least one other trusted 3rd party source).
I trusted the Bella reveal about Zara's treatment by her mother and I think the MC is building a relationship with Zara where he will trust what Zara shares as well, once Zara starts to open up to him.
I don't know who will provide that insight into Vanessa, particularly given that they are traveling in different social circles.
Ocean tells a nuanced story and Vanessa could be someone who will be revealed as better/more trustworthy than the person the MC has interacted with so far (meaning the semi-bored predator is a persona - Vanessa's armor - allowing her to avoid most hurts inflicted by the world).
Until that reveal though, Vanessa stays well outside my MC's circle of trust.
Cheers!!
Don Sucio
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Me neitherBruh I have waiting for sooo long, Ever since he started/announced redoing previous stuff, I have been holding out to play when he is done...... I can't take it anymore
yossa999
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It's like holding off on watching Twin Peaks until its revealed who killed Laura Palmer.Bruh I have waiting for sooo long, Ever since he started/announced redoing previous stuff, I have been holding out to play when he is done...... I can't take it anymore
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Ahh yes Bella with her THC gummies, Liquor and Handgun chilling on her desk while she out illegal street racing. All to come home an read a book to her comatosed sister. While their extremely wealthy and high status psychiatrist mother is at a book club getting drunk on wine with her horny rich female friends who want to bang a teenager.
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obito_momo
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hi how is everyone i finished this game had so much fun really love it and wanted to ask some stuff
1- does the update usually take this long
2-some images gave me error in the scene where the MC change his clothes in front of Bella and the scene where Bella meet here aunt in her room and flip the toys box it's all mixed and wrong for some reason and not going right with what is said is this because i played the compressed one or the same thing is in the full game?
3-did i miss what happen to Summer or they just didn't say it because i felt like i didn't understand what happen to here did she get kidnapped and the MC was there or here family just came and told everyone she disappeared i fell very confused
4-this game and where it all began are they connected?
1- does the update usually take this long
2-some images gave me error in the scene where the MC change his clothes in front of Bella and the scene where Bella meet here aunt in her room and flip the toys box it's all mixed and wrong for some reason and not going right with what is said is this because i played the compressed one or the same thing is in the full game?
3-did i miss what happen to Summer or they just didn't say it because i felt like i didn't understand what happen to here did she get kidnapped and the MC was there or here family just came and told everyone she disappeared i fell very confused
4-this game and where it all began are they connected?
nobody0
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Yes it does. It might be faster now that the reworks are done.
There was several things changed in that scene, so it is probably a combination of your compressed version and that scene being updated.
No you did not. There is a moment where Summer is referred to as a dead child, but we don't know what happened to her. Most likely the main character does, but it hasn't been communicated to the player yet.
Yes it is, WIAB occurs earlier than SG. They both occur in the same city. It also has some of the same people like Stefan and Katie, and it also references the same family names like Zane. The main character for WIAB is also reference in SG.
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N1ghtcrawler
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I had similar thoughts when I saw that people here are trying to guess the relatives of characters based on the color of their eyes. It's by far the stupidest best thing that has come up in this thread. We maybe have 50 important characters in both SG and WiAB and only 6-7 possible eye colors. Not to mention that different eye color combinations of the parents can lead to a completely opposite eye color of the child. How can you seriously expect it to help? It's ridiculous. I'm in.
If you wrote this as a response to that
then I assure you I did not mean that other paths would be more simple or less challenging.
Vanessa is unique case in the sense that she is the only LI to whom Nika can be hostile and he openly shows it. Everyone else he treats well, and so romantic relations develops in a more classical way. If Nika's dislike towards Vanessa does not close her path, it possibly will lead to more aggressive approach.
Now, how complex this approach can be depends only on Ocean's efforts. We have a perfect example when he gives his best and I'm actually surprised that I never mentioned it. I'm talking about Nami. Based on what she and Nika have to go through just to kiss at the end of ch.5, damn... There are so many layers and obstacles in terms of complexity. I'm skeptical that Bella will somehow top this.
I'm very interested in which works Ocean draws visual inspiration from. Pretty sure he likes Refn.
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BobTheDuck
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To add to what nobody0 said, SG Season 1 should be released soon, it's overdue, but it'll be out when it's ready for release on steam. So right now, those problems you mentioned in point 2 will be dealt with in the full season 1 release. Season 1 completes all the reworks and some of the scenes are expanded, so it's worth playing from the start, and making your save paths (a Bella save, a Nami save, a Mila save if you're interested in seeing how multiple LI's stories go, as not all paths are compatible. I personally won't do too much of that, as there are too many variables to have a path for every single variable Ocean has in mind
The thing with the eyes and guessing the parents etc it's all just good fun trying to get ahead of the story, trying to predict what'll happen, so we get the satisfaction of the reveal. I hope my posts are taken in that way - a lot of people are passionate about their theories, otherwise we wouldn't have them, so yeah, I'm in too
Ocean loves hiding clues in plain sight, but also some stuff is just him planting red herrings knowing we'll over think it. That's part of his game. After all, Vanessa is Ocean's character, she can't think any thought that hasn't occurred to Ocean.Regarding complexity, Right now paths are more or less linear - Nika grows closer to characters and there's no real hiccups. Some a re bumpy rides, but every path will potentially have Nika having to back pedal to choose what he cares for most. As more and more things get added to his plate, how will he juggle them and catch them all? I think there will be other paths that have diificulties. Think about what might happen with Bella if you start pursuing Amber, or if you have a drunken fling with Claire. Maja's another one - even if she's not an LI she is lewdable from what I understand, which means there will be all kinds of weird goings on with Vic, and at school now she's employed there. I guess the observation from the book club - as everyone drinks more wine, arm wrestling occurs.
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BobTheDuck
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All I'm saying is that Ocean's the kind of dev that will make an innocent choice about spicy or hot sauce a pivotal choice waaaaaaaay too early for anyone to know why they're even buying a happy meal
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Because I always eat happy meals when making multiple saves in VN's?All I'm saying is that Ocean's the kind of dev that will make an innocent choice about spicy or hot sauce a pivotal choice waaaaaaaay too early for anyone to know why they're even buying a happy meal
Everybody knows that!
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She may very well be an evil genius and a predator, but even then I doubt that she'll be a real danger to Nika or Nami. They are now her family members after all. That is, if she really did accept Noji and her wards into her family and isn't pretending.
And even if she didn't, her main target for a plot that would kick them out of her home and separate them from her daddy (and inheritance) would be Noji, not Nika or Nami.
I'd still be very careful around her until we get enough evidence to consider her a friend, enemy or frenemy.