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speaking of hair, I find it funny that in most of the scenes where the characters talk, suddenly a wind current appears that moves their hair like in shampoo commercial haha.
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Especially when it happens in the elevator.speaking of hair, I find it funny that in most of the scenes where the characters talk, suddenly a wind current appears that moves their hair like in shampoo commercial haha.
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Yes, Nika is an asshole sometimes. That's his defense mechanism against people who aren't nice to him. And perhaps I'm missing something, but if we ignore the beginning of the first chapter, he isn't even close to being a piece of shit human being.
William from WiAB on the other hand... The longer he stays in his hometown, the more he fits the description of who he was before. Unlike Nika, he is real scumbag. And I like it. I hope he will continue to change in that direction.
While SG is a story about healing, WiAB starts to remind me of movies like Refn's The Drive and Wingard's The Guest. I wouldn't be surprised if WiAB ends up with William chasing his enemies in his muscle car and crushing their heads with his boot while Leia takes over the city's criminal underworld. Maybe even Katie somehow will join their shady business.
William is already pushing criminal gangs against each other by acting behind their backs (reminds me of his possible daughter, apple and apple tree, ha-ha
). Sure, he knows the violence this could cause. Nika is a role model compared to him.It's just the broken vent in the elevator finally started to work.
Whats WIAB?Yes, Nika is an asshole sometimes. That's his defense mechanism against people who aren't nice to him. And perhaps I'm missing something, but if we ignore the beginning of the first chapter, he isn't even close to being a piece of shit human being.
William from WiAB on the other hand... The longer he stays in his hometown, the more he fits the description of who he was before. Unlike Nika, he is real scumbag. And I like it. I hope he will continue to change in that direction.
While SG is a story about healing, WiAB starts to remind me of movies like Refn's The Drive and Wingard's The Guest. I wouldn't be surprised if WiAB ends up with William chasing his enemies in his muscle car and crushing their heads with his boot while Leia takes over the city's criminal underworld. Maybe even Katie somehow will join their shady business.
William is already pushing criminal gangs against each other by acting behind their backs (reminds me of his possible daughter, apple and apple tree, ha-ha
It's just the broken vent in the elevator finally started to work.
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Where it All Began. It's another game from Ocean's and is also in development. It's a prequel from Summer's Gone, so a lot of character we see in SG are, somehow, related to the characters in WiAB (daughters, sons, some adults, etc.)
Recently, in SG's Ch.5 we are introduced to Katie Zane, she is the William's sister (MC from WiAB)
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It's not actually a prequel, it's literally the first game. SG is a continuation of the same universe with enough time having passed that it's not a direct sequel. WiaB's thread is dated 6 months earlier than SG. SG has been developed more as it is the more popular game. Due to the game having had an initial co-dev (Regium) who stopped developing it, SG required a lot more attention for Ocean to bring it back in line with his own aesthetic ...and that's historically where people's opinions on Ocean start getting heated. He supplied Regium with the script to SG, and when Regium left he gave the game back to Ocean. Suddenly Ocean had two Patreon accounts and two unfinished games. Ocean's first chapter as solo dev was Ch3 I think, and then he had to rework the earlier chapters to make the look consistent. WiaB looked inconsistent as Ocean got better, so he decided to rework that even though it had gotten to CH6, but because it was his first, he decided to start right from the start for a whole new framework.
I personally think he's done marvellously well to keep both active, and moving as fast as they did. I consider SG to have really started from the CH3 release in this sense, because Ocean has replaced everything that existed from the older dev (a sensible way to avoid legal issues when money is involved), so the game's first release for me was Jan 2021. If you consider than in that time Ocean has made 4.5 chapters of this game because of the complete rework (as obviously not all of his first attempt at ch3 was reworked), Ocean has delivered more than a full chapter per year. WiaB has been a bit slower in dev, because Ocean decided to start over, but it was Nov 2021 that the current version was started, so a chapter a year.
I know you didn't ask for all this, it's just there's a lot of people asking questions like this who haven't read the whole thread (and honestly who would unless they're a masochist?) So this is more a general response triggered by that one word 'prequel' which isn't quite right
WiaB is the first movement of the composition, SG is the second, and we're yet to see how the themes will be echoed through the symphony. The dual development of two games might frustrate people who imagine they could get two chapters a year of SG instead of one, but it means Ocean can raise the suspense in both games.In an ideal world I'd love to see them as one game where the chapters alternate, like some of the books I've read. We get the suspense the way Ocean intended, someone who plays maybe three seasons of SG in the future before they know about WiaB will not be surprised by some of the plot of WiaB. The more Ocean reveals about WiaB in SG, the less impact some of WiaB's decisions will make to the player (ie you'll make decisions because you know some of the consequences down the track).
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You guys really love long awnsersIt's not actually a prequel, it's literally the first game. SG is a continuation of the same universe with enough time having passed that it's not a direct sequel. WiaB's thread is dated 6 months earlier than SG. SG has been developed more as it is the more popular game. Due to the game having had an initial co-dev (Regium) who stopped developing it, SG required a lot more attention for Ocean to bring it back in line with his own aesthetic ...and that's historically where people's opinions on Ocean start getting heated. He supplied Regium with the script to SG, and when Regium left he gave the game back to Ocean. Suddenly Ocean had two Patreon accounts and two unfinished games. Ocean's first chapter as solo dev was Ch3 I think, and then he had to rework the earlier chapters to make the look consistent. WiaB looked inconsistent as Ocean got better, so he decided to rework that even though it had gotten to CH6, but because it was his first, he decided to start right from the start for a whole new framework.
I personally think he's done marvellously well to keep both active, and moving as fast as they did. I consider SG to have really started from the CH3 release in this sense, because Ocean has replaced everything that existed from the older dev (a sensible way to avoid legal issues when money is involved), so the game's first release for me was Jan 2021. If you consider than in that time Ocean has made 4.5 chapters of this game because of the complete rework (as obviously not all of his first attempt at ch3 was reworked), Ocean has delivered more than a full chapter per year. WiaB has been a bit slower in dev, because Ocean decided to start over, but it was Nov 2021 that the current version was started, so a chapter a year.
I know you didn't ask for all this, it's just there's a lot of people asking questions like this who haven't read the whole thread (and honestly who would unless they're a masochist?) So this is more a general response triggered by that one word 'prequel' which isn't quite right
In an ideal world I'd love to see them as one game where the chapters alternate, like some of the books I've read. We get the suspense the way Ocean intended, someone who plays maybe three seasons of SG in the future before they know about WiaB will not be surprised by some of the plot of WiaB. The more Ocean reveals about WiaB in SG, the less impact some of WiaB's decisions will make to the player (ie you'll make decisions because you know some of the consequences down the track).
but, thanks! I didn't knew it wasn't exactly a "prequel" and I also didn't knew about the 2nd developer. Why did he quit though? And that's also the reason why the early chapter's from SG looks so different? Because it wasn't Ocean who made them?
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Yeah, I rambleYou guys really love long awnsers
I don't know the reason for Regium quitting, it's most likely the same as every other dev that quits, they didn't have enough money to pay bills and took a job that took all their time. SG was a game that basically started at the start of the pandemic while WiaB was before. A lot of devs started games then, quite a few are abandoned as they were able to leave their house and get back a regular job. I don't know specifically if this was the case with Regium though, but this thread being just after the start of the pandemic, Ocean lets his friend develop one of Ocean's scripts because everyone's got to pull together to not go mad or something I guess?
In the current version CH5 beta there's very little of the renders from the first version left. I'm not quite sure exactly where the division was in Ch3, and how Ocean did it. Also, I think Ocean supplied models for earlier chapters, Ch1 Ayua is different from Ch2 in the early releases, so Ocean was helping with assets and renders from Ch2 onwards, then started the rework when he took over completely. Think in the Ch5 beta, the basketball game, the heist, and the physio for Vic are the main scenes that will be replaced in Season 1, making everything at least consistent with Ocean's style; nothing from the original 2 chapters will be left.
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I'm not sure how events will unfold in the future, but right now I think both stories work better separately from each other. But WiAB should be the first and SG its sequel.
Funny thing. When chapter 5 came out I didn't even recognize Katie in it, I thought she was some new character. Only when I replayed WiAB because of chapter 3 I realized that it was actually her. Before that, I only had a suspicion that WiAB is a prequel. I didn't pay attention to the name of the college in SG at the time. That's probably the result of having a ton of faces and names dumped on your head at once and you have to remember them all at once.
The physio for Vic looked kinda ok. I didn't immediately realize those were old renders.
But the basketball game was the worst. That includes the writing. It was so bad that I tried to finish it as quickly as possible.
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Not a prequel - as I said in a post just a short while ago, WiaB was in development about 6 months earlier than SG.
The animation of Nika rubbing his arms and physio scene were probably some of Ocean's earliest of the new quality renders, he took a massive step forward. That's why the renders in Ch3 start getting better, and why he started the rework. It's 100% a sore thumb going back and seeing those, as well as the generic pool of cheap AVN assets that he had back then. He's invested a lot into buying and customising assets since. Same thing in the old WiaB - in chapter 6, Willi has three different models, and suddenly the quality of Leia's model stands out, the cinematic of her and Willi near the end of Ch6 really showed what Ocean could do, so I'm glad the whole game now looks like that, and even better.
People who get into SG because of steam will never even know what the first Ayua or Mila looked like, and won't know about the gun or the dolphin gag. In some ways It's be good to have played season 1 without having any history of the game to be honest. But then I've enjoyed seeing both games develop and grow from a stock standard appearance into something pretty unique.
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A masterpiece being made right in front of my eyes, thank you
Just remember, that hair wasn't the MC's choice... B-E-L-L-A-A-A-H!
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Didn't he die?Yeah, I ramble
I don't know the reason for Regium quitting, it's most likely the same as every other dev that quits, they didn't have enough money to pay bills and took a job that took all their time. SG was a game that basically started at the start of the pandemic while WiaB was before. A lot of devs started games then, quite a few are abandoned as they were able to leave their house and get back a regular job. I don't know specifically if this was the case with Regium though, but this thread being just after the start of the pandemic, Ocean lets his friend develop one of Ocean's scripts because everyone's got to pull together to not go mad or something I guess?
In the current version CH5 beta there's very little of the renders from the first version left. I'm not quite sure exactly where the division was in Ch3, and how Ocean did it. Also, I think Ocean supplied models for earlier chapters, Ch1 Ayua is different from Ch2 in the early releases, so Ocean was helping with assets and renders from Ch2 onwards, then started the rework when he took over completely. Think in the Ch5 beta, the basketball game, the heist, and the physio for Vic are the main scenes that will be replaced in Season 1, making everything at least consistent with Ocean's style; nothing from the original 2 chapters will be left.
Might be just gossip, but that's what I read on Reddit
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I have no idea, but Ocean was able to get hold of the Patreon page, which he managed for Regium. What happened since then I don't know. Regium deleted their account here. If you go searching through the thread you'll find some stuff. Regium basically lost motivation after Ch1, Ocean started co-dev in Ch2, and then Regium abandoned it, and Ocean took over so Ocean's script didn't die. Ocean was sole dev from around the start of 2020.
What that means in terms of where Regium is now, no idea.
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thanks i was asking because the names i saw while playing it made me think that the Mc and Nami might be the son and daughter of william and liea
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There is a high probability that they, or at least one of them, are Zara and Vanessa's parents.
William might be the father of many SG characters including Nika and Nami.
But personally, I'm not a supporter of the theory that Nika is related to William.
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I have a feeling if Willy comes to the school yard on the end of the game, everybody on the yard will yell: DADDYYYYYYYYY!!!!
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I have a suspicion that we will never know for sure who or how many offsprings William has in SG and the answer, for obvious reasons, will only be in WiAB.
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It registered. It just frankly was nothing more than a (for lack of a better term) heartfelt vent. I don't say that to be rude (which is how I'm figuring you took it by stating you were a 'tad annoyed'), just honest. I don't/didn't have an issue with you saying anything you said. I mostly found it humorous your post is what was linked to the read me. I stated that 'justified or not', there were truths in what was being said. Clearly when you wrote what you wrote, you equally thought the same and thus said and I quote, "I honestly get the frustration; some of it is definitely warranted..." So the main reason I wrote what I said in light of being humored that the read me linked to your post, was also that well... being critical is just that. Being critical. It was literally highlighting your statement that some of it is warranted. Some people can word it in a way that isn't antagonistic and others just don't have that ability and then even more are just hateful and unhelpful. Some write glowing reviews far removed from reality. All of that is true. Again, while sure it's like 'move on' if you truly hate the game, but at the same time this is what comes with the internet. Everyone has a voice. It ends up being the one true curse of the internet, it's something you can't escape. Some morons are going to come and spew nonsense. The crazy thing about those kinds of people is they run their mouths yet will watch this thread like a hawk and be some of the first to download any update that shoots out. Some people are just wired weird like that, they continue to play and follow things they don't like. Who knows why.
This seems a bit silly to me. I'm confused on how one sees comments without needing to read them? I personally haven't seen any of this bountiful negativity (I'm not saying it doesn't exist), mainly because I don't go looking for it. I wouldn't have known there was negativity towards the game, or really Oceans, if I hadn't read your post and the reason I wouldn't have known that is because I don't page for page, comment for comment, notification for notification, reaction for reaction read what everyone or anyone is saying about it because I literally have the ability to do so. I don't even see the need for that, especially if I know it's just nonsensical garbage being spewed by a vocal minority. Luckily for me, the DL link is on the first page. It's about as far as I feel I need to go. Point being, if I can outright ignore unhelpful things people say about the game, so can anyone else.
As unfortunate as that is to hear... plenty of developers delete their accounts or never have one to begin with or outright don't comment on F95 anyway and it's not always to do with dummies spewing nonsense about the game or the dev. In my time being here, I don't typically expect devs to be active here and in my position as a creator that makes sense. I don't think much of it. Hence as I said, you're going to be the villain for someone. Anyone creating anything in this world should know that... Frankly, as someone who is making their own franchise and has considered making an AVN in that very universe that would no doubt end up here on F95, I wouldn't have an account simply because I'd be spending so much time in the comments reading every little thing everyone said about my game that it would drive me crazy by default. Just for the focus alone, I'd block out that noise.
It wasn't my intention but it was clear you were annoyed by the fact you responded to me, but it had extremely little to do with any assumptions made by me and just the fact I pointed out that it was merely a rant coming from the opposite side of the fence. Personally I think the term 'rant' is what annoyed you, so I'll swap it for 'vent'. I've been in that realm, so I get it. I just didn't see the need to vent at people that wouldn't care what I was saying anyway. When people were ripping Succubus Covenant, I simply wrote my response to the Dev themselves. The dev liked the post among a few others, commented saying thank you, addressed some of my critiques. Done. That dev is clearly of thicker skin though and/or has a deeper understanding of what comes with putting yourself and a product out there.
Anywho, thanks for the welcome and for being respectful, I super appreciate it. I've honestly been here for awhile, I usually don't see the need to comment all that often and very rarely venture past page 1. It was nice chatting with someone who is passionate about the game.
Cheers and be well. <3
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You obviously have not read much of this thread then.
I don't see it either to be fair...because I have all the idiots on ignore...