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That's not "Fan Art". You just cut her out of my work in Photoshop...

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I can only advise you not to start a Patreon/Game with the work of other devs.
I guess you're not going to appreciate my "Summers Gone 4.5 beta" Tribute game then. Damn shame.
 

L0key2022

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That's not "Fan Art". You just cut her out of my work in Photoshop...

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I can only advise you not to start a Patreon/Game with the work of other devs.
I apologize that my actions have harmed or offended you and your work that was not my intention there is no stolen/borrowed art in my work all renders/models will be originals however they may be based off of existing models. as for the "fan art" i did not use an original render i used a screen shot as the base and made a cutout with a browser editing software manually cutting it out it the whole process took >1hr as i had to go down to the pixel lvl even then there are still minor blemishes however none of this justifies the act and regrect my actions
 

BobTheDuck

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That was exactly my point with all this.
While the MC cries about some little cut on his finger, people with real trauma(like loosing an arm for example) deal with it better and see thing proportionally.
It's not being depressed, it's called being spoiled and entitled.
There's nothing relevant you can say about whether someone else's trauma is 'real' or meaningful (even if they're a fictional character). If something has an effect on an individual it is real for them because it derails or stagnates their life. Shaming other people's experiences of what constitutes 'real' trauma based on your own belief system is entitled, as is deciding how much resilience should be a base requisite for each individual. Life isn't an RPG where you get to roll character stats. No one starts life with skills, everyone has their own mountains to climb, and they develop their own coping mechanisms.

Stories teach empathy, to see the world through different perspectives. It is how we learn to relate to people whose experience is different from our own. We can't judge what someone else is going through (because emotional and mental states are hidden like an iceberg), only understand the meaning and relevance to the person experiencing those circumstances, whatever their conclusions or reactions will be.

Resilience comes from surviving events and understanding why they happened. In this story we still have no understanding of why, and that is a signficant part of the MC's trauma. We still don't even know the full extent of what happened to him, so it is impossible to even guess why. Currently, he has to decide whether or not to move on without reconciliation, without closure.

This is primarily a story about the MC developing the resilience to move forward and character building; he hasn't yet found his strength. If you are offended by a character learning to socialise and develop resilience, there's plenty of other stories to go around with different plots that you might find more relevant.
 

PaxHadrian17

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That was exactly my point with all this.
While the MC cries about some little cut on his finger, people with real trauma(like loosing an arm for example) deal with it better and see thing proportionally.
It's not being depressed, it's called being spoiled and entitled.
Yup - paper cut...
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I'm not a doctor, nor do I play one on TV But... I can't imagine a little cut on a finger causing both of the MC's lungs to collapse. This is the 'real trauma' you described. Add to that Summer's disappearance (we don't know how violent it was for Summer nor do we know if she was raped and or killed in front of the MC) and the impact on the MC since he was roughly 13 when all this happened (which means that he did not have the life experience to better rebound from this trauma) and we have:

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So - you are either someone who lacks empathy for the real pain of others OR you are someone who sped through this great VN, missing key details, then complaining about the story's MC.

You can continue to rail about the MC no matter what others who pay more attention to the story lines of Summers Gone tell you - it is your right. Just don't expect to be taken seriously when you ignore parts of the story to try to make your point.

Other than the assassination of your husband Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play...
 
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Chuck_Bass

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Some of us are tougher and some of us are weaker when comes to this things.
Dah! That's exactly my point with all this, the MC is presented as a pathetic weakling.
I guess it's a little personal for me when I see people or characters like this wipe their ass with the terms trauma, PTSD, and depression and mocking people who went through some real shit.
 

BobTheDuck

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Dah! That's exactly my point with all this, the MC is presented as a pathetic weakling.
I guess it's a little personal for me when I see people or characters like this wipe their ass with the terms trauma, PTSD, and depression and mocking people who went through some real shit.
I don't think anyone is concerned that you think the MC is a weakling. That's your prerogative. I think the idea that some traumas are worthy of being called real and some aren't is what people are surprised by. Trauma isn't usually a badge people wear to show off how strong they are. Glad you've survived what circumstances were in your life, but not everyone else has survived their circumstances - give people (and characters) the chance to find their own resolutions.

It actually feels like you're mocking/belittling other people's traumas as being insignificant because they don't mirror your expectations or experiences or meet your criteria of being a 'real' trauma.
 

yossa999

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Dah! That's exactly my point with all this, the MC is presented as a pathetic weakling.
I guess it's a little personal for me when I see people or characters like this wipe their ass with the terms trauma, PTSD, and depression and mocking people who went through some real shit.
Oh man, now I finally get what you're so angry about. That brutal joke in the gym, "Where is Vic? She's in a wheelchair.". Yeah, a pathetic weakling it is.
 

Chuck_Bass

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I don't think anyone is concerned that you think the MC is a weakling. That's your prerogative. I think the idea that some traumas are worthy of being called real and some aren't is what people are surprised by. Trauma isn't usually a badge people wear to show off how strong they are. Glad you've survived what circumstances were in your life, but not everyone else has survived their circumstances - give people (and characters) the chance to find their own resolutions.

It actually feels like you're mocking/belittling other people's traumas as being insignificant because they don't mirror your expectations or experiences or meet your criteria of being a 'real' trauma.
That might be it, but after my time in the army and being in contact with some people who dealt with some harsh stuff, a pre-teen crush who, for what we know, got abducted by aliens or just ran away, it just seems trivial and meaningless.

And BTW I finished ch. 4.5 yesterday, and I have to say, the game got some pretty fucking great visuals. If the story was about an adult in his 30s who lost his girlfriend/wife of 10 years for example, it would make much more sense to me.
 
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Dah! That's exactly my point with all this, the MC is presented as a pathetic weakling.
I guess it's a little personal for me when I see people or characters like this wipe their ass with the terms trauma, PTSD, and depression and mocking people who went through some real shit.
Seem like you love Gary Stu, If you are not able to accept the weakness of a character and come to judge him without even coming to know the why or the how, it's like you did not understand anything of the writing of a story the events having caused his trauma knowing that nobody at the moment has an exact idea of the events but to have ended up losing his childhood love and end in a hospital with a collapsed lung at the age of 11 - 12 years I do not know you but personally I think already that it is traumatic enough without even mentioning the fact of the potential kidnapping theories and human trafficking which are discussed because of the potential gangs like Krayt, if you come to play the second game in the same universe its prequel WIAB
 

BobTheDuck

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That might be it, but after my time in the army and being in contact with some people who dealt with some harsh stuff, a pre-teen crush who, for what we know, got abducted by aliens or just ran away, it just seems trivial and meaningless.

And BTW I finished ch. 4.5 yesterday, and I have to say, the game got some pretty fucking great visuals. If the story was about an adult in his 30s who lost his girlfriend/wife of 10 years for example, it would make much more sense to me.
Everyone's stuff is harsh to them because we're all looking out of our own skulls trying to make sense of a messy world. I guess we all find the stories that resonate to us.

Bella's trauma also isn't explained yet, neither is the teachers. I get the sense that Ocean will tie a lot of it together, as 30 chapters at the current pace needs evrything to be connected or it will spiral into an unfocused plot. There's still so much of the story yet to be told, but hopefully we won't have the alien excuse. I would feel pretty cheated by the story if Ocean pulled the abducted by aliens card too. Until we know how the the MC got hosptialised with collapsed lungs, I'm going to wait to see what the actual situation was first. In the devil's advocate position, the violent incident that hospitalised him might not even correlate to Summer's absence, it could simply be he got into serious brawling as his way of dealing with life, maybe crossed with the remnants of the gangs mentioned in the original WIAB. But my bet is the violent incident is tied in.

And agreed, the visuals are fantastic, I'm looking forward to the remade parts.
 

Frowster

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In the devil's advocate position, the violent incident that hospitalised him might not even correlate to Summer's absence, it could simply be he got into serious brawling as his way of dealing with life, maybe crossed with the remnants of the gangs mentioned in the original WIAB. But my bet is the violent incident is tied in.
I also think that the violent incident that landed the MC in hospital may be unrelated to Summer. We're not given any context for it; Nami just mentions it and then the MC has the flashbacks from which we learn that he was seriously injured, but there is nothing to indicate how or when it happened.

During the sessions with Amber we find out that the MC would frequently get into fights at school as a way of coping with his anger. That hasn't really changed since then. I mean...

-the fight with Sai and his buddy where the MC gets punched
-almost getting into a 3vs1 fight with Sai and two other guys; Jeff steps in so nothing happens
-acting provocatively with Dwight and his crew. Under different circumstances this could have escalated very quickly
-violently pushing Justin for no good reason during the talk with Nadia (just before the tabletop session)

It's not implausible that one time he just messed with the wrong guy and things took a really bad turn for him. If that's what happened, he clearly hasn't learned his lesson, lol.

I have yet to play WIAB so I can't comment on the gang suggestion, but it's been mentioned before so it's worth keeping in mind.
 

crabsinthekitchen

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I also think that the violent incident that landed the MC in hospital may be unrelated to Summer. We're not given any context for it; Nami just mentions it and then the MC has the flashbacks from which we learn that he was seriously injured, but there is nothing to indicate how or when it happened.

During the sessions with Amber we find out that the MC would frequently get into fights at school as a way of coping with his anger. That hasn't really changed since then. I mean...

-the fight with Sai and his buddy where the MC gets punched
-almost getting into a 3vs1 fight with Sai and two other guys; Jeff steps in so nothing happens
-acting provocatively with Dwight and his crew. Under different circumstances this could have escalated very quickly
-violently pushing Justin for no good reason during the talk with Nadia (just before the tabletop session)

It's not implausible that one time he just messed with the wrong guy and things took a really bad turn for him. If that's what happened, he clearly hasn't learned his lesson, lol.

I have yet to play WIAB so I can't comment on the gang suggestion, but it's been mentioned before so it's worth keeping in mind.
only 3v1 was unnecessary in my opinion.
  • he asked Sai to move. Sai didn't. it's only logical to yell "MOVE BITCH! GET OUT THE WAY!" and knock the bitch out
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  • Literally nothing happened in a scene with Dwight. Maybe if it was Larry instead of Dwight we would see a kiss at least
 

Frowster

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Sure, some of those altercations were provoked by the other guys, but if you're on the receiving end of such behaviour, you can always try to defuse rather than escalate. You never know who you're dealing with, if they're proficient in martial arts or carrying some kind of weapon and so on. Getting physical should be a last resort. It's not worth the potential trouble for some alpha male chest-thumping, in my opinion. Maybe it's not very alpha, but it's sensible.

With Justin, simply saying "hands off" would probably have been enough to get him to back off; with Sai, you could just try walking around him or pushing him out of the way first. If he took things further... then you'd just be defending yourself.

With Dwight, the MC leans in so close to him they almost butt heads. Okay, Dwight likes it, but the MC couldn't have known how he would react. Another guy could have responded with something like "oooh, look, boys, we've got a tough guy here" and continued this later when the coaches and girls wouldn't be around.

You don't have to be the instigator to get into unnecessary fights.

Literally nothing happened in a scene with Dwight. Maybe if it was Larry instead of Dwight we would see a kiss at least
Or maybe he would be intrigued by the MC's mighty balls and decide to carry out his signature inspection of him, right there and then? Then Dwight and Mister Stahl would join in aaand... boom! You passed! There's your spot on the first team, son.
 
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