VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[John972]

Yep, that's where exactly I saw it, thanks for the links. And there are this numbers:

I don't think animation frames can be equated with static renders, but maybe someone familiar with the process can explain. Anyway, I still think that graphics and animation are the most time-consuming part of the job compared to the coding of the script, so the number of renders will determine the total amount of work and the time it takes to complete it.

Someone can confirm this, but I thought Ocean was doing all rendering for SG on one rig and all rendering for WIAB on a separate rig.

Thus, the reason I mentioned animation frames is because they are composed, rendered, and composited on the same rig as the static frames.

This becomes relevant when analyzing the static render count versus development time in, say, Chapter 4, without considering the wider context. Ocean rendered at least double the number of animation frames for that chapter compared to other chapters.

Ironically, it's also why I usually stay away from discussions on rendering times, 'cause they tend to be overly simplistic. Besides, the developer is the only person that truly knows the score in that regard...

Looking at the data, I simply see that the development time between chapters should speed up for various reasons going forward, so I am not fretting there.

Spoiler: Apples versus Oranges

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[codex35]

First - I am an unrepentant Bella Fan!

I thought it would be hard to leave Bella cold turkey after she freed the MC in the girls locker room and told him where the library was (beginning of CH 4)

I enjoyed the SyFy RPG session with Nadia, Nancy, Nami and Sonya (and I am looking forward to the session(s) when Cindy and/or other professors join in - some good lewd possibilities coming).

I had a great time at the lake with Nami.

The evening with Zara ended up including Bella, by phone, and the end of CH 4 saw an emotional Bella driving back (I was hoping this was to see her guy - the MC).

CH 4 had great early Bella content, great Nami and Zara content as well as some good relationship building with Nadia, Sonya and Nancy but it was definitely Not Bella-centric.

With CH 4.5, we got a BiBi story about a younger Bella and it was, honestly, vicious. It was hard to watch her get brutalized by Melanie Ceril when she was perhaps 12/13 years old.

CH 4.5 had a great focus on Victoria, Mila and Nami with some additional relationship building with Maja who is definitely Not a vanilla girl.

At the end of the CH 4.5, the MC hears a familiar rumble from a car and (I literally gave a fist pump into the air) - Bella is here and she missed the MC.

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It was a sweet, vulnerable moment where Bella showed by her actions that she missed her guy and she returned early to be with him. This is Bella who is taking a risk and letting down her guard; she's been hurt before but Maybe the MC is worth it and she is risking her heart because she wants to see what could be.

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It was a brief moment relative to all the time spent with other women in CH 4.5. This chapter was definitely about building the relationships with other women But... Ocean gave us a perfect Bella moment at the end of the CH.

I think Ocean has shown that he can 'keep the fires burning' for an LI while continuing to expand the world of Summers Gone and advance this great story.

Yes - I Am looking forward to more Bella time but I am also looking forward to building the friendships and advancing the story in Summers Gone (all with great music that I will add to one of my playlists).

Cheers to Bella and Summers Gone!

another banger post from PaxHadrian !

 

[Uriel ☁]

Someone can confirm this, but I thought Ocean was doing all rendering for SG on one rig and all rendering for WIAB on a separate rig.

Thus, the reason I mentioned animation frames is because they are composed, rendered, and composited on the same rig as the static frames.

This becomes relevant when analyzing the static render count versus development time in, say, Chapter 4, without considering the wider context. Ocean rendered at least double the number of animation frames for that chapter compared to other chapters.

Ironically, it's also why I usually stay away from discussions on rendering times, 'cause they tend to be overly simplistic. Besides, the developer is the only person that truly knows the score in that regard...

Looking at the data, I simply see that the development time between chapters should speed up for various reasons going forward, so I am not fretting there.

Spoiler: Apples versus Oranges

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If I recall correctly he has

• 1 dedicated machine for SG still renders
• 1 dedicated machine for WiAB still renders
• 1 shared machine for animations and cinematics

But he wanted to move towards a single work machine for setting up renders and several machines to consume the render queue. I don't remember if he already switched or not.

 

[PaxHadrian17]

Thanks for the very un-SPOILER account!
Now I really have to wait for the next update to see for myself.

In future posts could you at least consider for a moment to hide the essential scenario!

My bad - it's been > 4.5 months since this was released (Nov 25th release) so I did not think of it as a spoiler.

I amended my post to hide the CH 4.5 content for those who have not played the latest content or have not played the Bella path).

Cheers!

 

[John972]

If I recall correctly he has

• 1 dedicated machine for SG still renders
• 1 dedicated machine for WiAB still renders
• 1 shared machine for animations and cinematics

But he wanted to move towards a single work machine for setting up renders and several machines to consume the render queue. I don't remember if he already switched or not.

Cool, thanks for the clarification.

 

[Ali ibn Hassan]

My bad - it's been > 4.5 months since this was released (Nov 25th release) so I did not think of it as a spoiler.

I amended my post to hide the CH 4.5 content for those who have not played the latest content or have not played the Bella path).

Cheers!

OK by me. I had to stop reading at the 1st paragraph.
Since 4.5 came out and the arguing about all the bugs, nonworking patches and whatnots I busied myself with other smutty stories.

Took up the "old" WIAB again but found it even more awkward than when I started it in 2019.
Now when clues from WIAB are popping up in "new" SG I've chucked the "old" and hopped on the "new" WIAB train.
I find it more fluent in story.
One objection though to a theory of Miru's offspring.
She (Miru) would, at least to me, look like a 2nd or 3rd generation of mixed ethnicity.
Looking at my own kids who are southeast asian/nordic I wouldn't guess Ayua sprung from the womb of Miru unless she got knocked up by some 1st generation east asian.

 

[Deleted member 327695]

If I recall correctly he has

• 1 dedicated machine for SG still renders
• 1 dedicated machine for WiAB still renders
• 1 shared machine for animations and cinematics

But he wanted to move towards a single work machine for setting up renders and several machines to consume the render queue. I don't remember if he already switched or not.

The shared machine for the animations and cinematics hasn't been used since Chapter 4 Beta. The PC can't handle a 3090 & the 2080Ti doesn't have enough VRAM.

So it's only two PCs atm.


I haven't made the switch to one strong main PC with several Slave PCs yet.
I need to acquire at least one A6000 Ada for each of the main static render PCs. (But they cost ~10K€ each here in Germany). So there won't be any hardware upgrades for quite a while.

And it needs to be A6000 Ada, otherwise the cards will be obsolete when I make the switch to Blender.

While WiAB currently uses an A6000 (older 3000 series), it's way too slow. (Like 70% of a 3090.) and costs 4.5x as much as a single 3090.
Especially on WiAB, a big bunch of animations can lock the PC down for weeks.
Slave PCs are absolutely necessary for the future.

Maybe I can make the upgrades after the

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[captcha69]

i give this game 1 more update for dev to start reworking the game again

 

[John972]

The shared machine for the animations and cinematics hasn't been used since Chapter 4 Beta. The PC can't handle a 3090 & the 2080Ti doesn't have enough VRAM.

So it's only two PCs atm.


I haven't made the switch to one strong main PC with several Slave PCs yet.
I need to acquire at least one A6000 Ada for each of the main static render PCs. (But they cost ~10K€ each here in Germany). So there won't be any hardware upgrades for quite a while.

And it needs to be A6000 Ada, otherwise the cards will be obsolete when I make the switch to Blender.

While WiAB currently uses an A6000 (older 3000 series), it's way too slow. (Like 70% of a 3090.) and costs 4.5x as much as a single 3090.
Especially on WiAB, a big bunch of animations can lock the PC down for weeks.
Slave PCs are absolutely necessary for the future.

Maybe I can make the upgrades after the

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release.

Thanks for taking the time to set things straight. Yes, we do often muse and talk crap here. Thus, it's always good to get the correct info "straight from the horse's mouth."

...and, all the best for the Steam release.

 

[Cabin Fever]

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Is it though? Smells more like using botching up someone's else hard work and then using it as click bait to earn money on Youtube. You've posted about this specific YTer's link for games many times now. Do you get a cut?

 

[Karabonga]

will there be any reworks aside from the later half of ch2?

 

[anonnyscouse]

will there be any reworks aside from the later half of ch2?

No, chapter 3 is already at the level of later chapters and it will be years before the game looks as outdated as the old chapter 1 and 2 did.

 

[Ali ibn Hassan]

Duude, you just need patience, our MC is already surrounded by doctors:
Bella's mom - psychotherapist
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landlady Nojiko - doctor
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Bella's aunt - doctor
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At the moment, only a few days of playing time have passed. You need to be patient and wait for Season 2. And then.... when Bella pull down her panties.... everything will fall into place. Moreover, Nami will prepare you by that time
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[rudy007]

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I would rather read a book where behind "by" stands Amber von Halen...

 

[Karabonga]

why was the first cinematic removed? (in ch1)

 

[Tairnel]

I think you're envisioning the coding as being a lot more complicated than it is (for a seasoned dev). The real test is going to be how the conclusion of reworking chapters effects the development cycle. Can time in between updates be reduced to ~4 months per? I guess we will find out.

Chapters won't be reworked after the Chapter 5 (this next) update my man

 

[Mamaragan]

Chapters won't be reworked after the Chapter 5 (this next) update my man

Yeah. But you still have to wonder if he won't have to redo chapter 3 for the sake of graphic and story consistency.

 

[idontdreamwhenisleep69]

Chapters won't be reworked after the Chapter 5 (this next) update my man

Yes, I know this? I don't think you understood my post my guy. I'm curious as to how fast Ocean will be able to pump out updates once reworks are out of the way. Specifically, how many renders can be done in a week?

 

[Mamaragan]

Yes, I know this? I don't think you understood my post my guy. I'm curious as to how fast Ocean will be able to pump out updates once reworks are out of the way. Specifically, how many renders can be done in a week?

If you want an idea, go there and click on SG table.
Between chapter 4 and 4.5, only 124 days separate the two. If, from now on, it stays somewhat consistent between release after the rework is done, then you're looking between 4-5 months per chapter

 

[idontdreamwhenisleep69]

If you want an idea, go there and click on SG table.
Between chapter 4 and 4.5, only 124 days separate the two. If, from now on, it stays somewhat consistent between release after the rework is done, then you're looking between 4-5 months per chapter

Thanks, that is promising. Hopefully Ocean will be able to get his rigs set up like he wants after the steam release.