I like her, I shouldn't but ocean did a good job on her character.Most of the people does... Even those who don't like her...
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Yes, her personality is very well developed. Much more then other developers develop their characters in AVN... Even less when it's not a AVN. She's also, with Nami, character who had the most screen time. Ocean first made us to hate her (first school day event) and then she slowly fall for MC. And MC for her. It was executed really good. Ocean took his time. It doesn't feel rushed. Scenes between two events finding her daydreaming are cute.
I like this a whole lot more than the rusted NLT 3 sexscenes every update.
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Now we wait for Claire to have a cameo
This involved two rolls though... will power had to fail But perception had to succeed! If you missed both rolls, you walked into a wall...Willpower roll botched, it seems.
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Sorry to break it to you all, i'm sure it won't be well received..... I love this game... but man, this rework was a huge downgrade. It's like Ocean thought "how do i make each of these scenes 10 times better?" ... but imo it failed so much more than the original.
Take the Nami bathroom scene.... it used to be a subtle exchange that disclosed that they had a weird relationship. Sharing the bathroom together and such. But in the update Ocean decided to make it 10x "better". Now Nami and the MC are completely naked in front of each other, they talk about "eating her tits" and then that stupid naked wiggly dance. I mean jeezus, how about conveying the story more subtlety like the original? The old version was far more artistic.
Then there's the classroom update. I find is kinda ridiculous that Bella and the MC get into this stupid "stare down". I mean the hottest girl in school is going to waste her time in a stare down competition in this hobo looking mofo she doesn't care about? She doesn't even know him at this point. Yeah, that was cringe. And when Bella and the MC get grouped up....Now he's loudly proclaiming in protest that he doesn't want to group with her??? In the original game he was stoic an took it normally. But now he speaks out in class that he doesn't want her as a partner? Ok... That's quite the change.
Then there's Sonja. Remember when she was introduced in the classroom as this shy timid women how looks around the room that's trying to listen to the conversations and wants to participate in the interactions? She sat in her chair as a sexy little thing that probably wanted do engage but was to timid to join? Yeah, no longer in this update. Now she gets like 2 renders that basically shows her there. Kinda sad to see her removed from the story at this point. It was intriguing to see her squirm in her chair in the original. But i guess that was removed. Ugh.
And then there's the panic attacks. In the original game the MC only had panic attacks when he was faced with relationship connections. First when he kisses Bella and then when it admitted his love for Nami. That made sense. He was afraid of another Summer situation. But in the update he's getting panic attacks from everything. "oh no, too many people around" "Oh no, i'm riding in a car with a girl" "oh no, i'm afraid of everything" ... Sorry Ocean, that's not how panic attacks work.
And what's the deal with Maja? I mean, in the original game i understood her. The MC was difficult and defied her requests. He was an asshole but at least is made sense given his history. He was stoic and emotionless. But now he this asshole emotard. She wants him to watch over Victoria? Right? In reality she would say "please stay from Victoria" LOL. But nope, this person that's been a complete douchebag to her and Victoria and showed himself to be completely unstable is asked to watch after her precious? Right........
Anyway, say goodbye to this amazing interaction. Would've loved to see them enhanced.
Take the Nami bathroom scene.... it used to be a subtle exchange that disclosed that they had a weird relationship. Sharing the bathroom together and such. But in the update Ocean decided to make it 10x "better". Now Nami and the MC are completely naked in front of each other, they talk about "eating her tits" and then that stupid naked wiggly dance. I mean jeezus, how about conveying the story more subtlety like the original? The old version was far more artistic.
Then there's the classroom update. I find is kinda ridiculous that Bella and the MC get into this stupid "stare down". I mean the hottest girl in school is going to waste her time in a stare down competition in this hobo looking mofo she doesn't care about? She doesn't even know him at this point. Yeah, that was cringe. And when Bella and the MC get grouped up....Now he's loudly proclaiming in protest that he doesn't want to group with her??? In the original game he was stoic an took it normally. But now he speaks out in class that he doesn't want her as a partner? Ok... That's quite the change.
Then there's Sonja. Remember when she was introduced in the classroom as this shy timid women how looks around the room that's trying to listen to the conversations and wants to participate in the interactions? She sat in her chair as a sexy little thing that probably wanted do engage but was to timid to join? Yeah, no longer in this update. Now she gets like 2 renders that basically shows her there. Kinda sad to see her removed from the story at this point. It was intriguing to see her squirm in her chair in the original. But i guess that was removed. Ugh.
And then there's the panic attacks. In the original game the MC only had panic attacks when he was faced with relationship connections. First when he kisses Bella and then when it admitted his love for Nami. That made sense. He was afraid of another Summer situation. But in the update he's getting panic attacks from everything. "oh no, too many people around" "Oh no, i'm riding in a car with a girl" "oh no, i'm afraid of everything" ... Sorry Ocean, that's not how panic attacks work.
And what's the deal with Maja? I mean, in the original game i understood her. The MC was difficult and defied her requests. He was an asshole but at least is made sense given his history. He was stoic and emotionless. But now he this asshole emotard. She wants him to watch over Victoria? Right? In reality she would say "please stay from Victoria" LOL. But nope, this person that's been a complete douchebag to her and Victoria and showed himself to be completely unstable is asked to watch after her precious? Right........
Anyway, say goodbye to this amazing interaction. Would've loved to see them enhanced.
Hm, where to start?
The bathroom scene changes are surely a result of where Ocean lives. Because here in Europe, esp. in old city quarters it is totally normal to share bathrooms when the need arises, because there are not flippantly speaking 500 bathrooms per flat.
Nojiko coming to see that all is normal would be a serious overreaction, if there was nothing else.
It is only "blatant" in nations where every kitten in the household has it´s own bath and some prudishness is normal.
In addition, Nika reacts rather cool and the scene mainly underscores some of Nami´s eccentrism. That the two have a rather unusual sibling relationship is still comparatively subtle.
As for the Classroom scene: What path are you playing? Because "my" Nika still takes it stoically being paired up with Bella.
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You are not alone my friend. Agree with you on every single point. And while most will probably disagree there are quite a few who agree that a lot of emotional depth was lost with the most recent remake. The new bathroom scene with Nami is absolutely atrocious. It goes against everything that was established with their relationship. The MC WOULD NEVER get into that bathroom with Nami topless and she wouldn't be so overtly lewd because she'd be fearful of scaring him away. She is always gradual with her intimacy towards the MC. That scene almost turns her into a degenerate predator. Also the new scenes with Bella are inferior and almost devoid of emotional impact now compared to how it was before.
I've said it before. This game was my top 1 for over a year and a half. Not anymore. Right now there are at least 6 games I'm more excited for than SG. I'm still hopeful it will pick back up for me but it's gonna be a while until the sour of the latest update goes away...
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Is there any way I could try old version? It sounds completely different game and I wanna try it.
Is there any way I could try old version? It sounds completely different game and I wanna try it.
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Yes. Use search bar: you'll find some old compressed updates posted in this thread.RNasc4444 Tokenugget
Is there any way I could try old version? It sounds completely different game and I wanna try it.
Music mod re-enables some old animated scenes the author weirdly removed when he released 4.5 full.
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If you've got the time I'm rar'ing 4beta that I played last summer in june and haven't touched newer SG yet because of the rework.RNasc4444 Tokenugget
Is there any way I could try old version? It sounds completely different game and I wanna try it.
Takes a little while since it's the full ver and got the mods and patches installed. Just rename the main characters at your leisure.
I'll make a torrent and post the link.
I think reworking WIAB was a good thing visually and made it a bit easier to comprehend. Old WIAB I had to restart 3-4 times and gave up since it got too chatty.
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I do agree about WIAB, I tried old version and couldn't stand it. It was very good call of Ocean to rework it. New WIAB is perfect though, even though I don't like MCs have a relationship in the beginning, since gf of MC a perfection the game is perfect.
I do have time but I do not use torrent, is there a possibilty that will be uploaded to any other place?
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Follow the advice above and use search function here on top right
Of course, it's all your opinion and takes, and I respect it.
Just before I address some of your points, I like the new version a lot more & no reworks will be made. So this is it.
In the old version, Nami removed her panties and peed right in front of you. Talking about subtle, huh...
She doesn't do that anymore, but instead shows some tiddies, which is like totally not worth mentioning where I come from. Different cultures, I just have to assume you're American, as other Americans have mentioned similar things before.
And fuck yeah, the Wiggly is absolutely stupid and cringe. And it's exactly what I wanted there.
I disagree with you on the old version being more artistic. (Maybe if you take absurdity into the equation and say that art needs to be extravagant and over the top.)
They start staring at each other after being grouped up, and they still had the same interaction in the hallway. (It makes even more sense if you engaged with her. In the old version you just ignored her.)
Yes, some changes were made to his behavior in class. You either like them or you don't.
So wait for the second part of an unfinished rework. Ugh.
Are you actually trying to explain an irrational reaction to me? Because that's what panic attacks are.
They don't follow any stigma, they don't care about certain criteria being met. (Is stigma the right word?)
And trust me, I know how they work.
"Sorry bud, your trauma/situation isn't enough for a panic attack! Sorry!"
"*Panic attack stops immediately*"
If you pay close attention, they don't happen randomly, there's always something connected to it.
In the old version, the MC appeared to be much more creepy and unapproachable.
Now Maja and the MC chatted for a bit before being tackled by a Raccoon.
Also, when did the MC ever act like an asshole to Maja?
- All Maja saw of the MC was him being in the hospital, being the one that "helped" Vic while she was on the ground.
- Then came to the hospital and gave her the purse back, there he almost never addressed Maja directly. (You can pick a choice in their only interaction.)
- Then Vic asks Maja to find you. She does, they have a more intimate chat than in the old version, and she listens through the door (Didn't do that in the old one.), in which he has a totally normal convo with Vic, saying stuff like "You're a positive person. That's the essence to happiness." instead of talking about animals, and optionally raping dolphins.
Ugh! Man, what a fucking asshole emotard he has become.
She has more style than this.
In the end, I'm not saying most of your points are wrong. We all just have a different point of view, and judge scenes by how we see the world.
Just before I address some of your points, I like the new version a lot more & no reworks will be made. So this is it.
As someone said before, where I live sharing a bathroom isn't a weird thing to do. Nor is occasional nudity.
In the old version, Nami removed her panties and peed right in front of you. Talking about subtle, huh...
She doesn't do that anymore, but instead shows some tiddies, which is like totally not worth mentioning where I come from. Different cultures, I just have to assume you're American, as other Americans have mentioned similar things before.
And fuck yeah, the Wiggly is absolutely stupid and cringe. And it's exactly what I wanted there.
I disagree with you on the old version being more artistic. (Maybe if you take absurdity into the equation and say that art needs to be extravagant and over the top.)
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Do you mean the staredown that was already in the old version?
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They start staring at each other after being grouped up, and they still had the same interaction in the hallway. (It makes even more sense if you engaged with her. In the old version you just ignored her.)
Yes, some changes were made to his behavior in class. You either like them or you don't.
Yes, her first interaction was changed. It's just a glimpse now, but that doesn't mean that's all Chapter 2 will show of her.
So wait for the second part of an unfinished rework. Ugh.
Now it's getting interesting.
Are you actually trying to explain an irrational reaction to me? Because that's what panic attacks are.
They don't follow any stigma, they don't care about certain criteria being met. (Is stigma the right word?)
And trust me, I know how they work.
"Sorry bud, your trauma/situation isn't enough for a panic attack! Sorry!"
"*Panic attack stops immediately*"
If you pay close attention, they don't happen randomly, there's always something connected to it.
I just have to completely disagree with this one.
In the old version, the MC appeared to be much more creepy and unapproachable.
Now Maja and the MC chatted for a bit before being tackled by a Raccoon.
Also, when did the MC ever act like an asshole to Maja?
- All Maja saw of the MC was him being in the hospital, being the one that "helped" Vic while she was on the ground.
- Then came to the hospital and gave her the purse back, there he almost never addressed Maja directly. (You can pick a choice in their only interaction.)
- Then Vic asks Maja to find you. She does, they have a more intimate chat than in the old version, and she listens through the door (Didn't do that in the old one.), in which he has a totally normal convo with Vic, saying stuff like "You're a positive person. That's the essence to happiness." instead of talking about animals, and optionally raping dolphins.
Ugh! Man, what a fucking asshole emotard he has become.
And scenes like these are exactly the reason why the rework had to happen. It's out of character for Chapter 3 Mila and above.
She has more style than this.
In the end, I'm not saying most of your points are wrong. We all just have a different point of view, and judge scenes by how we see the world.
Ocean is preparing for the release of Summers Gone Season 1 (CH 1-5) on Steam.
There has been significant rework of CH 1 and 2 (CH 2 is at about 65% complete in terms of the rework right now) as well as continuity and render work on CH 3 & 3.5.
Ocean created a number of animations that were tied to music that he had to remove due to licensing issues ahead of this release. Ocean has commented how it sucks that he had to remove some of the animations and many of us agree, but... Steam is a Much larger platform and he needed to polish SG and ensure that all his music was locked down in terms of licensing ahead of a release there.
I don't see any 'weirdly removed' in this and the why of the removal of music and associated animations has been explained by Ocean and posted here multiple times.
This is his creation, and this is his business decision.
Ocean has big plans for OceanVerse - SG & WIAB, and part of these plans require resourcing to make it happen.
For example - he's mentioned buying an ADA 6000 (estimated cost his last quote was 8000€ to 9000€ in Europe) - which is a Major investment.
A successful Steam launch will provide Ocean with the resources to continue hardware upgrades, get help with music licensing and more.
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Here are Ocean's own words to talk about the music (from SS front page) CH 4.5 Full:
With this release, all music that had to be removed has been removed... Fuck did that hurt... All the work that went into these cinematics & finding said music.
Especially the Bella - Mama cinematic... What a great and perfectly fitting song it was.
But it had to be done, and now I will come up with new & better cinematics. I already have two new ones planned for Chapter 5.
I did place "placeholder" music in most of the cinematics... I hate it & would've rather just completely removed them, but many people on discord said to keep them in.
Anyways, I'm looking forward to Chapter 5.
I'm so excited about the future.
- Ocean
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Dude, I don't think the Author needs his lawyers writing here everytime someone writes about the differences between the old versions and the newest one.
We are aware of the whys and the wherefores.
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Mama got removed!? That's a sad news, I mean "That's what my mama said" had been looping non-stop in my head like for a week after my first complete run for 4.5 T.T
oh well... at least certain youtube channel had the sequence recorded and upload.
And yeah, thanks for deciding to release a steam version. I can finally show some support to this AVN.
Mama got removed!? That's a sad news, I mean "That's what my mama said" had been looping non-stop in my head like for a week after my first complete run for 4.5 T.T
oh well... at least certain youtube channel had the sequence recorded and upload.
And yeah, thanks for deciding to release a steam version. I can finally show some support to this AVN.