imzahai
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SSDs die faster the MORE you use them, by design.
so if he is a 'heavy' user, it will go that much faster, especially with mid-tier hardware or lower.
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so if he is a 'heavy' user, it will go that much faster, especially with mid-tier hardware or lower.
Ray_D
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Usually I don't accuse devs of milking but this seem way to big of a coincidence for his PC to just go down when he about to upload to steam for release. This feel like milking for another month on Patreon.
BobTheDuck
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Nah, it's just the underlying tech. And there's no real warning sign, they work perfectly until they don't. SSD's are also the least sexy thing to upgrade, but one of the most important. I don't churn through data as fast as a graphics renderer, but getting expensive SSDs is crucial; speed increases from faster disk access are wild, and the price is always going down. Chances are the burnt out disk is a pretty old generation, and Ocean can get a bigger one with better speed and more reliability cheaper than the one that died.They don't do anything to last anymore.
imzahai
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and should have set up a RAID system for just such crashes, just like any responsible business would... oh wait...
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BobTheDuck
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I'm not going to kick someone while their SSD is down, at least he has backups (multiple).
imzahai
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i'm not kicking him either, he said he had backups, not RAID, but regular backups, so it's much better than nothing.
Idiotic? Absolutely. It's just as smart as all the "My drive died. Save file please?" requests.
Surprised? Not at all. I bet most people don't even bother to backup to the cloud, let alone set up a RAID.
BobTheDuck
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I thought RAID wasn't as much a thing with SSDs? I assume if one went, the other would be on it's last legs cycle wise. I also wouldn't want to raid the fast SSD's purely because I am a cheap ass, and fast large SSD's are far too expensive. I'd say the only thing lost is the time to reimage.
Depends on how he does back ups.
imzahai
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the likelihood of them both going out at the exact same time is slighty better than winning the lottery odds.
but yes, if an SSD on a raid goes out, you back up what is available, check the status of the other drives, and if you are smart, replace them.
here in Texas that would be about 200.00 per 2tb ssd [for Samsung] you could go cheaper... but you get Cheaper.
though i am one to talk, i have a 4tb in my laptop that i got for 160.00
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I'm very afraid that the ignore list is limited to a thousand entries, since I'm almost approaching this limit, and they keep coming and coming...
I just can't figure out how it works. People at Ocean's Discord are screaming, "Ocean, shut up and take our money. Make us a $100 tier because $50 is not enough."
And at the same time, respectable freeloading consumers at the Zone shout: "Milking, this is nothing more but milking."
I don’t even want to delve into what they consider milking: Dev moves to another apartment - it's milking, an overly optimistic estimate published - it's milking, hardware problems - this is still good old milking.
And the most idiotic assumption in this thread: "He just wants supporters to pay for another month." So if he didn't tell people what was going on and just kept quiet until next week, would they all cancel their support? Seriously? Those who continued to support him after he failed to meet his December/January targets as he originally planned? The breadroll-level thinking.
I might see some sense in assumption that since he's made public statements again that he's about to, most likely, if all goes well, he'll probably deliver a release before the end of this month. While, in fact, he screwed up a little with his damn reworks and postworks and still needs time to prepare the Steam release.
The thing is, that in the past, Ocean always announced a release delay, even if it caused a massive butthurt in this thread. And he was never afraid to tell the public the unpopular reasons for it, like wanting to rework the Marla gun scene or the delays and issues related to the music licensing, even though the crowd was screaming, "Fuck the music, just release the fucking update." Nah, I don't see why he needs the lame excuse of "the cat ate my hard drive" just to continue the subscription for the next month. He will get it even if he remains silent.
But what do they mean? Who is being milked? Obviously it's not them, because they're getting the game for free. Patreon subscribers? But why do some randos speak for them? Why don't they stop their support if they think they're being milked?
The mystery is more intriguing than where Summer is gone.
I just can't figure out how it works. People at Ocean's Discord are screaming, "Ocean, shut up and take our money. Make us a $100 tier because $50 is not enough."
And at the same time, respectable freeloading consumers at the Zone shout: "Milking, this is nothing more but milking."
I don’t even want to delve into what they consider milking: Dev moves to another apartment - it's milking, an overly optimistic estimate published - it's milking, hardware problems - this is still good old milking.
And the most idiotic assumption in this thread: "He just wants supporters to pay for another month." So if he didn't tell people what was going on and just kept quiet until next week, would they all cancel their support? Seriously? Those who continued to support him after he failed to meet his December/January targets as he originally planned? The breadroll-level thinking.
I might see some sense in assumption that since he's made public statements again that he's about to, most likely, if all goes well, he'll probably deliver a release before the end of this month. While, in fact, he screwed up a little with his damn reworks and postworks and still needs time to prepare the Steam release.
The thing is, that in the past, Ocean always announced a release delay, even if it caused a massive butthurt in this thread. And he was never afraid to tell the public the unpopular reasons for it, like wanting to rework the Marla gun scene or the delays and issues related to the music licensing, even though the crowd was screaming, "Fuck the music, just release the fucking update." Nah, I don't see why he needs the lame excuse of "the cat ate my hard drive" just to continue the subscription for the next month. He will get it even if he remains silent.
But what do they mean? Who is being milked? Obviously it's not them, because they're getting the game for free. Patreon subscribers? But why do some randos speak for them? Why don't they stop their support if they think they're being milked?
The mystery is more intriguing than where Summer is gone.
imzahai
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there is a saying,"...a fool and his money..."
there is also a saying, "... Opinions are like ..."
you get the idea.
Ocean makes art, so everyone wants it.
some people have more $ then sense... and
some people, like myself, are cheap ass MFkers...
BobTheDuck
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Yes, all of this.
Hey pirates! You're being milked, better stop paying!
Actually, blueballing is actually the opposite of milking right?
In seriousness most people can't think beyond being blueballed emotionally by the update, they don't even think about how messed up a SSD failure is for anyone. Think about losing all your documents, passwords etc (don't tell me about redundant failsafes; there is nothing 100% foolproof - I'm sure Ocean has as many failsafes as he thought practical, and after today he'll have more). Now think of your amazing plan to make bank on steam failing because of one SSD. Milking patrons rather than pushing an update that you're hoping will revolutionise your work? He can't get the update out fast enough for himself.
I bet you he had his own panic attack, and will now write even more intense panic attack episodes in SG season 2. Literally, people need to think as a human being first and an entitled consumer pirate second. No one can make you care about other people's dramas but your own goodwill. So now we wait a day or two for OCean to repopulate his main SSD, then an hour after till he submits it. Silence is way worse as blueballing.
PS the limit is 1000 threads in the latest games and updates, you can ignore anyone eles on top of that. I ignore more games than people. So you're safe yossa, ghost us with impudence! Or be the first to ignore more than 1000 shitposters, surely there's a trophy for that.
yossa999
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No bro, I don't get any idea from the common sayings that are not relevant to the point.
But let me share one more idea that you might find refreshing.
This art, as you said, is possible not only thanks to Ocean’s talents, perseverance and belief in success. But there is a fair share of every his supporter who helped him with their money and loyalty. That's why the guys like you and me can enjoy this art.
Therefore, calling everyone who appreciates Ocean’s work and wants to help him create a fucking cool game a fools who don’t know the value of money is at the very least hypocritical, if we use the results achieved thanks to the talent and hard work of the developer and money of his supporters.
imzahai
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would you say Ocean's games are better than say TES V (skyrim)?
i bought that game for $29.00, then i bought more copies for my daughter, my wife and a friend. that is less than 3 months of Oceans top supporter tier for an unfinished product going on how many years.... so it was likely a better investment than his supporters... but to each his own. I would probably toss him cash [there are maybe 5 devs i would do so] if i Could actually spare it.
i do see your point, i believe we are both correct in this regard, he makes a good product, and is incentivized to not be fast.
heck i know for a fact my son supported several devs when he moved out of my house a few years ago to get married, he forgot to cancel about $150.00/month of them and really felt it a couple months later when he was 100% responsible for himself monetarily. it was a funny facepalm for us both [i recognized one of the names he let slip, luckily he couldn't see my face].
i actually think Ocean's biggest problem isn't work ethic, its perfectionism, or he wouldn't stop a few sessions in to redo them (the chapters), he would just keep going and make the next game 'cleaner' etc. but he sees his 'art' and .... his artist' eye starts screaming at him...
Mila is a perfect example, while some will say she is amazeballs gorgeous now, no one said she was just OK before.
and i noted that Ocean doesn't really go for the static Daz shots with groups either.
so Lucky Us... and ... darn.
i hope he is able to get the hardware that he needs; and the hardware he wants, ASAP.
we deserve it
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In an alternate timeline there's no backups too.
You forgot to add the single, overarching one: AVN Dev breathes - it's milking.
I can think of another AVN on F95 where the dev has had Patreon charging paused for well over a year, while working on an update. You guessed it! They're still accused of milking.
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The Most interesting thing this is. Buy an Windows USB-Stick. Every fucking Windows User do that that themself. HDD or SSD is always a part ya should atleast 2-3 new drives at home for the possible failure and as Dev this thing is a Have Must.
I always have a really good laugh when Dev's post there problems.