Doomyk

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I think there's a very good chance:

If WiaB's old version of Elena stays true, then Elena was the prosecutor for the evil group, and the eventual plan was for Willi to seduce her away. If we take that as a basis:

- Elena would have been in court cases, and Sasha might have known about them.
- Sasha would already know about the eventual ZPR families accord - two former antagonists P and R allying themselves with the Zane's against their bosses.
- The Cyrus's might have been witnesses that Elena used to bring down her bosses, and she'd know why they'd need protection/new identities when the prison terms were up for the bosses.

Or in other ways:
- Sasha was frriends with Summer just like Nia, and Sasha also lost a close friend, but she holds more resentment than Nia (the 'Maybe he deserved it' comment when Zara and Nadia handcuff him seems deeper than the circumstance).

Regardless, Elsa's reaction to Nika next time they interact and Elena's when she meets Nika will probably tell us a lot. If Elena was involved as a lawyer still, there's quite a high chance Inessa knows some of what is going on as well, and Inessa is there to protect Sasha from being targeted by the defendants who lost their cases to her mother. I assume she's retired in SG in any case, can't imagine her running a golf club while doing court cases, very opposite jobs.
I may be thinking a lot, but if you consider that all three clans are connected with crime, like Elena herself, could her acquaintance with Nick Benz be a hint that Nick himself is connected with crime. I know, i know, you will say that if they know each other, it doesn’t mean anything at all. But honestly, i couldn’t shake the feeling from his first appearance that he was some kind of mafioso. Especially in the last chapter. And the story with the car accident could be a lie. Yes, most likely i’m wrong , otherwise his ex-wife would not have received divorce papers, but would have been feeding the fish (not Katie).
PS: I just now realized that this is not the best idea for William from wiab to become a mafioso. One of their rules is not to look at other people’s wives. It will be hard not to break the rules on the first day after the oath:LOL:
 

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Another week begins, and no SG.

Sources say that an angry Patreon was banned, a statement from another Patreon ''I'm not worried about the delay, it can take as long as it needs.'' Ocean didn't want the interview, but his silence confirms that SG will only leave in 2050!
I saw the aftermath of ...something? There's plenty of people being impatient in discord without getting banned, so my guess is the poster broke one of the server rules.

In no way was anything confirmed. All that is happening is that the steam reviewer is taking way too long to approve the rating, even though Epic could do it more quickly and has stricter rules. So the asshole is Steam. Which we all knew. Meanwhile Ocean's working on Chapter 6 and WiaB.

I may be thinking a lot, but if you consider that all three clans are connected with crime, like Elena herself, could her acquaintance with Nick Benz be a hint that Nick himself is connected with crime. I know, i know, you will say that if they know each other, it doesn’t mean anything at all. But honestly, i couldn’t shake the feeling from his first appearance that he was some kind of mafioso. Especially in the last chapter. And the story with the car accident could be a lie. Yes, most likely i’m wrong , otherwise his ex-wife would not have received divorce papers, but would have been feeding the fish (not Katie).
PS: I just now realized that this is not the best idea for William from wiab to become a mafioso. One of their rules is not to look at other people’s wives. It will be hard not to break the rules on the first day after the oath:LOL:
I mean, Nick's connections are unknown. I doubt there are multiple exclusive rich people golf courses, so it isn't indicative. I would think that Nick's ex was the connection. I almost see that Vanessa is the one who was most affected by her, even though Zara has the trauma. If we find out who she is, that might open up some new ideas. I honestly think that Ocean will have a few decent role model characters that Nika can go to for help, like Jeff, Nick and Aziz ...after all there's no way Dwight will be wholesome :sneaky: Wollust won't be the village of the damned where everyone is on the take. Remember how Bella and Nika were looking for dirt on Brenda and all they found were wholesome, normal photos? I kinda feel there will be more of that kind of thing - some of Nika's healing will be letting go of his plans and schemes that are the product of his isolated perspective.

Standard porn logic is every male is an antagonist if they're not the MC and every woman is an LI or and antagonist or both - why render a woman who keeps their clothes on? All that effort wasted! :sneaky: I really like characters like Sven in WiaB, who exist just to let us know there are normal people being boring and ordinary. I think it'd be too cheesy if everyone was in on a conspiracy centered around Nika, much to much like a tv soap.

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This I find far more plausible than a lot of other Summer theories, simply because she's defined and spends too much time in the rear vision mirror. But she could just be a plot device sleeper that Ocean hasn't yet triggered. I would still think it'd be a let down if Summer was living around the corner with a different haircut, and refused to visit Nia, and then is just all "hey remember me? Sorry got bust gaming on the bugbois and dino thingies." I'd probably rage quit
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I'm probably misremembering but did Ocean forget about that shy girl with the head thing, Sonya or something? I forget her name. I feel like she hasn't showed up since the table game chapter. I'll have to replay this soon.
 
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I'm probably misremembering but did Ocean forget about that shy girl with the head thing, Sonya or something? I forget her name. I feel like she hasn't showed up since the table game chapter. I'll have to replay this soon.
game is gonna be long as fuck, we barely scratched the surface. She'll be back.
 
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game is gonna be long as fuck, we barely scratched the surface. She'll be back.
I just hope it isn't DnD again at least not yet. While I wasn't a fan of the DnD part in this game compared to other AVN's that have it be nice to have a bit of content with her before the next DnD session. Cause as of right now I have no interest one way or another with her unlike some of the other LI that have as much or less content than her Nadia for example.
 

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I just hope it isn't DnD again at least not yet. While I wasn't a fan of the DnD part in this game compared to other AVN's that have it be nice to have a bit of content with her before the next DnD session. Cause as of right now I have no interest one way or another with her unlike some of the other LI that have as much or less content than her Nadia for example.
totally agree, I replayed the game a few times, watched the DnD stuff once and that's it, I always skip that part, it just doesn't do anything for me. Waste of renders if you ask me.
 

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totally agree, I replayed the game a few times, watched the DnD stuff once and that's it, I always skip that part, it just doesn't do anything for me. Waste of renders if you ask me.
yeah typically I never use control skip unless im playing more than one path a time and only on content I seen but on replays that is something I always control skip now. Tho I probably will replay it one more time when it comes out on Steam to see if there was anything new added to it.
 
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Especially considering that it is on Bella’s path, if you kiss her, Sasha will say in the event with handcuffs that he may have deserved punishment. Considering the possibility that Summer may be alive, wait for the opportunity to see Nika, then in the eyes of Sasha, who is completely such for eternal love, romantic books and so on, Nika committed a mortal sin for not waiting. True, this contrasts somewhat with the fact that Sasha herself is a love interest.

Honestly, the darkest part of the story. There are some inconsistencies. He tells Amber that after Summer’s disappearance, Nami warmed up and they became closer, but in a conversation with Niya there is the opposite information. In general, there are some inaccuracies between Amber’s story, conversations with Nami and Niya.

Nami is generally a dark horse. At Victoria's house, he practically says that Nami is completely to blame for his condition, stopping in time and saying *partially*. But I am tormented by vague doubts about Summer herself. On the one hand, a lot indicates that Summer is a completely different person. This is why Nia’s flashback was so important, despite people’s protests, that such information should not be on separate paths. It was Nya who fully established that Summer at least lived and was a separate person, and not an alter ego or anything else. However, I am still tormented by vague doubts about some unclear dialogues in the scene on the lake (Chapter 4), which may be greatly rethought with the new chapters and Nami’s words in chapter 5, on her path, when she says that if everything goes to dust, Raven Nika and Phoenix Nami are gone.

And also a great way to show the difference between her and Holgerson. Elsa, who has not seen Nika for eons and clearly has something to ask and tell, greets rather tactfully and then takes her leave. And an old dick who interferes like a donkey, without manners or decency.
Some good points, especially the romantic Sasha angle.

Ocean once used the example of Robin/Sasha approaching Nika in the gym to explain that females who interact with the MC aren't necessarily interested in him per se. In the gym example, they supposedly approach the MC because of Bella. Yet, many players, myself included, get this gut feeling that Sasha somehow has an unexplained interest in the MC because either her or her cohorts always seem to be around Nika when he is in need or starts to wig out. Is this just coincidental or is there some hidden agenda in play?

I like the fact that Ocean introduces the concept of the unreliable narrator. Nika only told Bella a superficial account of what went down with Summer.

1. Nika also knows Bella secretly reads Amber's therapy notes (I recall him thinking about bullshitting Amber just to fux with Bella when she reads the notes, but I'm not sure if that's still in the reworked game).

2. Nika made a pact with Nami to keep an aspect of their past hidden.

For both these reasons, Nika didn't tell Amber the whole truth in their therapy sessions.

I am still trying to understand if Summer's disappearance, whatever went down between Nika and Nami, and the time Nika ended up in hospital are a single event or a series of separate events. So far, there's just not enough information to reach a conclusion.

Nika still attended High School after Summer disappeared, although he was a changed person - antisocial, sullen, and withdrawn. He got into fights to "protect" popular Nami from boys. At some stage there was the violent incident. At some stage again (seemingly well after Summer's disappearance five years from the present), Nika became so withdrawn, he rarely left the house for a year before the present time.

Part of Nika's current condition may have resulted from events not directly related Summer's disappearance. A lot depends on how reliable he's been as a narrator (especially with Amber).

-MC to Amber:
"In high school... everyday. I was the.. weird kid. I didn't talk.. I never laughed.. I was stone cold. I am still.. repulsed by any sort of.. emotion.. but in high school it was on a different level. At first I was just silent... I didn't care what the others said, and I never paid attention to them. I was trapped in my thoughts. It was only words... They didn't attack me physically... As we grew older... Nami became popular. She was the cool red head... Almost everyone liked her.. Especially other guys. We were very close. After the thing with Su-m.. After Summer's disappearance.. Nami and I got very close.. She took pity on me and got very protective. ... People always acted... And I emphasize 'acted' nice towards me. I went from being 'trapped in my thoughts' to observing. I started to study the people around me.. Not because I was interested in them.. but because I wanted to protect Nami at all cost. She always had guys at her feet, and they tried to date her and so on. But I knew that they just saw her as a trophy. I did.. manipulate certain events, yes. She still thinks I never gave a damn about her in high school. I was very distant to her... but I was pulling strings in the background. I was just getting bored so instead of manipulating them from the shadows I turned to a more direct approach. I told them fuck off and leave her alone."
-Amber to MC:
"And this resulted in years of fighting?"
-MC:
"Correct."
- Nia to MC:
"I remember you because you always got into fights."
-MC to Bella:
"Back in high school I used to get into a lot of fights... Like- *sigh* I would be lying if I said that I was completely innocent. At first people used to pick on me because I was so quiet and always buried in my thoughts.. and then I started to pick on them."
-Nami to MC (about Aqualia Hospital):
"You were here before. The uuuh - Violent incident."
-MC to Nami:
"I have to- yeah, I have to break our deal. The... The deal we made a long time ago. I lied to Amber... You are... You are partly responsible for the way I am. Nami... Try to understand that these things don't just vanish... They still affect me... They're a reason for my lack of impulse control. And I get the feeling, that all you do is an overcompensation... To make up for-"

So, I don't know if the "something" Nami did to affect Nika relates to Summer's disappearance, the later fights in High School, or something else altogether.

Nami seemingly had a crush on Nika.

Nika acted distant toward her in High School (contradicting Nika saying the became very close in the same dialogue).

Did Nami try to make Nika jealous, leading to a fight and the violent incident? Who knows? It's just one of many possible angles...
 
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The problem with whiners is that they can't understand that SG is a product of Ocean. Maybe they are very young, I don't know, but they don't understand what business is. Ocean made a choice with steam. If you don't like it then don't buy his product. What's the point of crying here?
 
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