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I am finding discussion about Bella being or not evil weird, as evil is strong world. Especially, if her problem isn't how bad she is. Her problem is more hypocrisy type. She is actively making word shity place and then cry that she get hurt because world is shity place.
 

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I think in Bellas case it is more like "if everyone is against me anyway, I can threat all of them like shit".
Nadja tells the MC it took her years to "get through" to Bella. Maybe the longer she has people like Aruja, Nadja and the MC (if we choose so) as reliable friends, she will let go of that behavior. But as the saying goes "bad habits die hard".
 

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Yeah no. Disagree with everything.

They caused Mila trouble but it wasnt really their fault, its not like they planted false evidence pointing at Mila. They are to blame to be thieves but they didnt wronged Mila. The holgerson's are the ones who used Mila unrelated as a scapegoat.

And Mila is the one behaving shitty in the Mila/Bella relationship and aknowledges it herself (she was young and afraid, it happens but it was still her fault).

She joined the bullying against bella and broke her trust in a time when Bella had nobody and nowadays has the audacity to talk shit about her just because Bella doesnt want to reconcile and sometimes jokes about Mila being poor.

Mila said herself that Bella didnt really do anything to her yet she felt the need to potray her as a psycho in the beginning despite knowing about Bella's backstory.

Bella is - similar to your assesment of William - a jerk at times but shes blunt and upfront while Mila was the one behaving like a snake just because she felt rejected.

And i dont think Nika is hypocritical either, he's a bit "stupid" at times with his wannabe mindgames but i dont think he considers himself as a particulary "good guy" who does nothing bad, he just doesnt give a fuck.
Well, I didn't look at the situation this way, so I have to agree with you on that. Mila isn't a saint either, though she's definitely not bad.

And yet I can't help but think how disingenuous this moment, specifically what he said about Bella, feels. But most people see it differently "how sweet, he's telling her Bella isn't a bad person, I knew it".

Despite the fact that he and Bella have caused her these problems and that she is unaware of their involvement. Like I said, Nika is the last person worth listening to when it comes to who is bad and who isn't.

Yes, they refer to Bella's past, but nevertheless he's talking about Bella in the present time when they're both involved in the scheme against the Holgersons.

Nika himself seems unsure of his words. He doesn't say it confidently, but rather with doubt. Like he's remembering what he and Bella have been doing in the last few days. So he's still trying to be sincere here and he actually cares.

Now, it may seem like I hate this moment, but that's not true. I just look at it from a different perspective. It adds more layers to Nika who I find to be a very complex mc.

I have more sympathy for William, but Nika seems more interesting to me.
And Ayua (and kinda very other LI and sidechick) >>>> Ms. Marla
Marla is not striking in her appearance. But unlike Amber and Noji, she isn't inappropriately sexualized. Even after flashing her nipples in ch.4, she leaves the impression of a more mature character and I take her behavior more seriously than Amber and Noji. It makes her stand out from them. So no, she's no worse than Ayua and the other LIs. And she's probably not even in my top 8.

Though I think she'd be more suited as lewdable. Her romance with Nika might be interesting considering SG is presenting itself as a serious story. So I'd like to see a serious story about a teacher-student romance. But I just can't think of any good ending where they stay together. The same goes for Amber actually.
I think in Bellas case it is more like "if everyone is against me anyway, I can threat all of them like shit".

Nadja tells the MC it took her years to "get through" to Bella. Maybe the longer she has people like Aruja, Nadja and the MC (if we choose so) as reliable friends, she will let go of that behavior. But as the saying goes "bad habits die hard".
First she must face the consequences of her actions and those consequences must teach her to take responsibility. Straight up, no bullshit about feelings and regrets. With the right approach and the support of friends, this will allow her to overcome her flaws, it will force her grow as a person. But some Bella's fans don't want that because it ruins for them her victim image. They don't care that taking responsibility will make her a stronger character. All they care about is her feelings and regrets because they cause drama which makes them tear up and feel sad. The world around her is unfair so it and the people in it must change, but not Bella despite she is one of the reasons why this world is unfair.
 
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I am finding discussion about Bella being or not evil weird, as evil is strong world. Especially, if her problem isn't how bad she is. Her problem is more hypocrisy type. She is actively making word shity place and then cry that she get hurt because world is shity place.
It works both ways. A shitty world produces shitty people.

Though I think she'd be more suited as lewdable. Her romance with Nika might be interesting considering SG is presenting itself as a serious story. So I'd like to see a serious story about a teacher-student romance. But I just can't think of any good ending where they stay together. The same goes for Amber actually.
First she must face the consequences of her actions and those consequences must teach her to take responsibility. Straight up, no bullshit about feelings and regrets. With the right approach and the support of friends, this will allow her to overcome her flaws, it will force her grow as a person. But some Bella's fans don't want that because it ruins for them her victim image. They don't care that taking responsibility will make her a stronger character. All they care about is her feelings and regrets because they cause drama which makes them tear up and feel sad. The world around her is unfair so it and the people in it must change, but not Bella despite she is one of the reasons why this world is unfair.
Whether it changes or not is the player's decision. This thing is called social interaction.
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Well, I didn't look at the situation this way, so I have to agree with you on that. Mila isn't a saint either, though she's definitely not bad.

And yet I can't help but think how disingenuous this moment, specifically what he said about Bella, feels. But most people see it differently "how sweet, he's telling her Bella isn't a bad person, I knew it".

Despite the fact that he and Bella have caused her these problems and that she is unaware of their involvement. Like I said, Nika is the last person worth listening to when it comes to who is bad and who isn't.

Yes, they refer to Bella's past, but nevertheless he's talking about Bella in the present time when they're both involved in the scheme against the Holgersons.

Nika himself seems unsure of his words. He doesn't say it confidently, but rather with doubt. Like he's remembering what he and Bella have been doing in the last few days. So he's still trying to be sincere here and he actually cares.

Now, it may seem like I hate this moment, but that's not true. I just look at it from a different perspective. It adds more layers to Nika who I find to be a very complex mc.

I have more sympathy for William, but Nika seems more interesting to me.
I think youre focussing to much on good/bad, Nika didnt stated that Bella's a saint doing nothing wrong, he only said she isnt this bad and im pretty sure his intention is to get them closer over time (similar like with vic). Most of the SG character are neither good nor bad, most of them did shitty things in the past but i think all of them are developing.

Does it really make Bella a bad person to steal from the Holgersons? Its of course against the law but .. than all characters of wiab are bad persons or at least the whole zane family. I consider them all in some grey area.

And what do you expect Nika (or Bella) to do? Come clean about being thieves? Going to the police and destroying their own future? Thats just way too much considering the holgersons dont have any evidence against Mila and just using her as a scapegoat. An outcome which neither Nika or Bella intended and which - to be frank - wasnt possible to foresee because its so stupid.

Mila of course isnt bad either, shes just one more person who didnt did everything right in the past, i think this elevates the characters in SG. Not every girl is the perfect innocent virgin and not every guy is an small dicked asshole lol, They all have layers which makes them less boring and cardboard.

I still dont really get why you blame Nika and Bella for the Holgersons accusation of Mila. How should they have anticipated this bullshit? The holgersons are to blame for accusing a innocent person of theft, im pretty sure they know it wasnt Mila. And which judghe thinks it was her without evidene?

Marla is not striking in her appearance. But unlike Amber and Noji, she isn't inappropriately sexualized. Even after flashing her nipples in ch.4, she leaves the impression of a more mature character and I take her behavior more seriously than Amber and Noji. It makes her stand out from them. So no, she's no worse than Ayua and the other LIs. And she's probably not even in my top 8.

Though I think she'd be more suited as lewdable. Her romance with Nika might be interesting considering SG is presenting itself as a serious story. So I'd like to see a serious story about a teacher-student romance. But I just can't think of any good ending where they stay together. The same goes for Amber actually.
Haha im just really not a age-gap fan and i love ayua :KEK: And Miss Marla addiotnaly is rather ugly and esp irritating with her behavior.
 

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And which judghe thinks it was her without evidene?
Bought. This idea runs through the entire section with the house.
I am more than sure that this idea of “anyone can be bought” regarding the characters of the Holgersons will carry over into the second season.
 

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Bought. This idea runs through the entire section with the house.
I am more than sure that this idea of “anyone can be bought” regarding the characters of the Holgersons will carry over into the second season.
Soooo .. the holgersons try to corrupt a judge or jury (!) and becoming criminals themself like that to make sure Mila is sentenced, who has no money to repay them anyway, for what?! Such a huge investment to make sure .. that a girl who his son bullied ends up in jail? Even when we say it would be possilbe and riskfree for holgerson, why would he invest that money to get a girl without money to repay anything in jail?

This is completly nonsensical, nobody would do that even without the massive risk involved lol
 

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Soooo .. the holgersons try to corrupt a judge or jury (!) and becoming criminals themself like that to make sure Mila is sentenced, who has no money to repay them anyway, for what?! Such a huge investment to make sure .. that a girl who his son bullied ends up in jail? Even when we say it would be possilbe and riskfree for holgerson, why would he invest that money to get a girl without money to repay anything in jail?

This is completly nonsensical, nobody would do that even without the massive risk involved lol
Well, who imports exotic spiders and throws them into someone's bedroom to scare them? A hockey mask would be a cheaper way to say boo! The Oceanverse isn't following the laws of normal life, even if it appears to mostly align with it: Nika nd Bella's hair defying both wind and gravity and having their own propulsion are classic examples.

Going back to why someone would pay to corrupt a judge over something petty - this assumes Stephan doesn't already have a corrupt police officer (Wiab certainly suggests they're a dime a dozen) who can file charges. No judge required until sentencing. We know Nami had her own childhood friend police officer Jane on speed dial for the cabin incident, so it's not implausible that Stephan has Ceril ready to do anything in exchange for him getting her closer to Bella.

Why? Because they're richer than they purposes to spend money. The guy has astatue of golden underwear. He is clearly frivolous and wasteful. Why NOT fuck with Mila's life because the golden boy asks? Why not mess with her, then appear to drop charges, because that's the closest Setphan will ever get to feeling like a Chad. It kinda doesn't matter, because they've actually done it, filed fake charges against Mila without evidence. If they go ahead with it, it is simply through the hedonistic excitement of ruining someone's life. I mean why bully Mila anyway? People who are out of touch with reality and insulated by wealth live by different rules.

The other thing to remember is plot wise, there is at least one lawyer friendly to the Zane's (Dana) with another probably (Elena) unless Ocean has changed Elena's role in WiaB for the current version, both of them high profile, decimate their opponents type of lawyers. Stephan's probably got access to the same people the Zane's do, seeing Zoey and Katie dated (unless there's a falling out we don't yet know about). So it's not hard to imagine these rich people treating Mila's life like a more exciting tabletop episode. Vanessa's "And yet, I know so much about you... Miss Steiner." is not ominous AT ALL with the focus on her self satisfied smile. Mila is being plotted against, we just don't know why.

Finally, the level of wealth on display in SG beggars WiaB. The Zane's have a cute house, nothing special. The farm, nothing special. No one seems to have anything remotely as opulent/extravagent as they do in SG. Everything is overblown, deliberately.

I'm waiting for Nika's line "Shit. Gotta stop eating Gio's pizzas before going to sleep. Getting the most insane dreams where I'm a dirt poor edgelord missing an edge, and everyone is richer than me" :KEK:
 

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Soooo .. the holgersons try to corrupt a judge or jury (!) and becoming criminals themself like that to make sure Mila is sentenced, who has no money to repay them anyway, for what?! Such a huge investment to make sure .. that a girl who his son bullied ends up in jail? Even when we say it would be possilbe and riskfree for holgerson, why would he invest that money to get a girl without money to repay anything in jail?

This is completly nonsensical, nobody would do that even without the massive risk involved lol
You probably live in one of the countries where this seems like something out of the ordinary. I, on the contrary, where it doesn’t surprise anyone and it’s a matter of price to buy anyone, including a judge and a verdict. I think we just let it pass through our reality.
They calmly bribe the police who, despite the complete lack of evidence, accuse an absolutely third party. Why stop there if you are a rich man in gold panties with a god complex?

And from one of the scenes it was obvious that these clowns didn’t need money from Mila. Of which there are already a carload of them.

In addition, this indirectly works on the second plot, the stigmatization of certain professions, shown in the example of Mila’s mother and Nia
 
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Well, who imports exotic spiders and throws them into someone's bedroom to scare them? A hockey mask would be a cheaper way to say boo! The Oceanverse isn't following the laws of normal life, even if it appears to mostly align with it: Nika nd Bella's hair defying both wind and gravity and having their own propulsion are classic examples.

Going back to why someone would pay to corrupt a judge over something petty - this assumes Stephan doesn't already have a corrupt police officer (Wiab certainly suggests they're a dime a dozen) who can file charges. No judge required until sentencing. We know Nami had her own childhood friend police officer Jane on speed dial for the cabin incident, so it's not implausible that Stephan has Ceril ready to do anything in exchange for him getting her closer to Bella.
Fair argument about the spiders but at least thats gang/mafia stuff and rivals and not a super rich family bullying a poor young girl without reason (that we know of). Mila even defended the holgerson son towards Nika in the beginning which makes a huge grudge or really bad blood from him seem unlikely.

And yeah of course, a corrupt police officer is possible, but influencing a judge or jury for something which doesnt makes any sense and is just petty? I dont think they intend to go through with it and kinda just want to mindfuck mila.

Why? Because they're richer than they purposes to spend money. The guy has astatue of golden underwear. He is clearly frivolous and wasteful. Why NOT fuck with Mila's life because the golden boy asks? Why not mess with her, then appear to drop charges, because that's the closest Setphan will ever get to feeling like a Chad. It kinda doesn't matter, because they've actually done it, filed fake charges against Mila without evidence. If they go ahead with it, it is simply through the hedonistic excitement of ruining someone's life. I mean why bully Mila anyway? People who are out of touch with reality and insulated by wealth live by different rules.

The other thing to remember is plot wise, there is at least one lawyer friendly to the Zane's (Dana) with another probably (Elena) unless Ocean has changed Elena's role in WiaB for the current version, both of them high profile, decimate their opponents type of lawyers. Stephan's probably got access to the same people the Zane's do, seeing Zoey and Katie dated (unless there's a falling out we don't yet know about). So it's not hard to imagine these rich people treating Mila's life like a more exciting tabletop episode. Vanessa's "And yet, I know so much about you... Miss Steiner." is not ominous AT ALL with the focus on her self satisfied smile. Mila is being plotted against, we just don't know why.
I still cant see stephan holgerson doing these actions out of pettyness which isnt even his own but his sons. Im not convinced yet that he is comic relief evil yet, maybe his son lied to him tho.

Im like 100% sure that Dana wouldnt take this case (rich family without any evidence against poor young student) and doubt it about Elena either. These are high profile lawyers who wont take a case without evidence which is obviosuly made up. Pretty sure its against their morality and is way too unimportant of a case anyway.

Maybe they own similar clubs like leia or zoey has the porn studio and the want to push mila to work there? I dunno, nothing of this makes much sense to me yet.

Finally, the level of wealth on display in SG beggars WiaB. The Zane's have a cute house, nothing special. The farm, nothing special. No one seems to have anything remotely as opulent/extravagent as they do in SG. Everything is overblown, deliberately.

I'm waiting for Nika's line "Shit. Gotta stop eating Gio's pizzas before going to sleep. Getting the most insane dreams where I'm a dirt poor edgelord missing an edge, and everyone is richer than me" :KEK:
Yooooo, did you saw Leia's "house"?
 
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What does Nick do for a living? He's got a huge house, drives a koenigsegg
he's had a good insurance and they pay him a lot after his bike accident ! :LOL:

For Amber, she has a really good house for a psychologist... and with a material girl like Bella (2 very expensive cars and all the items she has in her room...) What job did her ex-husband could have ? or maybe they also got a good insurance from Bella's sis accident too... I would not want being an insurer in that world !
Noji is a talented doctor but struggles so much financially to take care of Nami and Nika, those guys must have had some legacies from their parents that might help to do something else than feed the mice or buy rolls. Surely the same kind of legacy with Vic and Maja, but they don't have an adult who help them and they still have the house.
So many orphans versus so many extremely rich people...
 

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It's not clear yet... I think he's a mobster, but he's definitely involved in crime... I hope I'm not wrong... :unsure:
cooperates with William :D
he's had a good insurance and they pay him a lot after his bike accident ! :LOL:

For Amber, she has a really good house for a psychologist... and with a material girl like Bella (2 very expensive cars and all the items she has in her room...) What job did her ex-husband could have ? or maybe they also got a good insurance from Bella's sis accident too... I would not want being an insurer in that world !
Noji is a talented doctor but struggles so much financially to take care of Nami and Nika, those guys must have had some legacies from their parents that might help to do something else than feed the mice or buy rolls. Surely the same kind of legacy with Vic and Maja, but they don't have an adult who help them and they still have the house.
So many orphans versus so many extremely rich people...
really a lot of question regarding the financial part..... But how Nami and Nika live with Nojiko's salary is basically realistic.
Amber's sister is a school nurse, but Amber lives in a mansion, her daughter spends tens of thousands of dollars on clothes. Strange. But probably really money left over from the husband, maybe he died in the accident where and Bella's sister got a vegetative state
 
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