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yossa999

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Maybe in Bella's end we'll have a time jump to 10 years later with the two of them breaking out of prison to escape to Mexico
:KEK: :KEK: :KEK: Damn RL.
Or maybe 10 years later, Bella returns from prison to find out that there have been substitute in the Team von Halen, and the comatose von Halen has now awaken and tamed the wormy.
Yeah....his I'm bored,just petty revenge isn't enough gonna fuck over this whole family for funsies,will land his ass in prison if he doesn't fuck off lol.
(y) Yeah, if only his self-confidence matched his capabilities.
 

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Why are there no images since you choose between “Go to bella/Stay at home”, after the argument with Bella over the photo in her bedroom?
 

BobTheDuck

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Why are there no images since you choose between “Go to bella/Stay at home”, after the argument with Bella over the photo in her bedroom?
Most likely because you've got an incompatible patch. Missing images a usually because the patch is for a different version of the game. If you're playing s1 full, you can't use a patch for ch5 beta etc.
 

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After all of this:

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Why would Anyone who enjoys Summers Gone bother with attempting to have a discussion with you?

You have shown repeatedly that you Don't want a discussion - and this just feels like bait for more of your arguments and name calling.

So - NT - not bothering to attempt to have a discussion with you on this or any thread - You are not worth it.

Guess you will have to switch to another User id if you want to try for civil discussion...

Cheers!! :coffee:
Ok so writing this in the kindest way to not offend you. Let me tell you something, the comments that you just screenshoted, do you know what are those? Answers to each of yours quotes. I wasn't me, but you who inisiated an argument and called names, i only reacted to you guys and asked questions back, where none of them were answered. I wanted a conversation, you wanted an argument.

Now i know you got offended that i actually toke time and answered to each of you, or to the msgs that were directed towards me, and unlike you i was able to defend my points not come up with new ones in each posts. But i let it rest... you were never the target for my questions anyway. Cheers to you too, was probably my last time RESPONDING to you.

(Interesting to see when i ask a genuine question about the game and not state a negative comment is the first time you decide im not worth to respond to)
 
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BobTheDuck

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Ok so writing this in the kindest way to not offend you. Let me tell you something, the comments that you just screenshoted, do you know what are those? Answers to each of yours quotes. I wasn't me, but you who inisiated an argument and called names, i only reacted to you guys and asked questions back, where none of them were answered. I wanted a conversation, you wanted an argument.

Now i know you got offended that i actually toke time and answered to each of you, or to the msgs that were directed towards me, and unlike you i was able to defend my points not come up with new ones in each posts. But i let it rest... you were never the target for my questions anyway. Cheers to you too, was probably my last time RESPONDING to you.

(Interesting to see when i ask a genuine question about the game and not state a negative comment is the first time you decide im not worth to respond to)
Well, I'll bite. You've been here since 2017, and you have such a small post count, yet you don't know what dev cycles are common on the bigger games? 7 years is a lot of downloads, a lot of finding out how many times games get abandoned. It's odd to see someone shout about the sky falling because of the dev when they've been around as long as the site says you have. Your post count suggests you decided to break a vow of silence you put in place at some point... yesterday was probably your single most active day posting here.

Ignoring that, because heck we all find our way to the threads we want to engage with. Getting back to the question about Bella.

I am actually curious about this one, cause it makes no sense to me. Why do you guys think Bella fall for the MC after they pretty much started by insulting each others most loved ones? Bella pranking Nami, while MC making comments about Bella's sister? Right after the first day, then go to the gym together in the next? Even inside Bellas house she dropped so many personal space, like changing in front of him and such... what made him be the one when in their first meeting she is clearly out of his league ( emo guy who just threatened her not to fool Nami once more). He actually looks like the guy thats going to come back tomorrow and blow the whole school up, still he gets everyone without trying?
There's a couple of things in play. First, the sped up timeline. We don't see the contents of classes, or the majority of boring mundane events. It's like a tv episode, Ocean, just like every dev, cuts the time to condense the story into a series of events. This means the time to develop relationships is shortened. People already claim it's too slow because Nika's peepee hasn't done anything. So Ocean has to balance between the story he wants to tell, and a fan base who want and AVN, not just a VN.

So that explains the condensed time, but the process of them going from enemies to an item? Remember the flashbacks with Summer - Nika fought with her, then they became an item, there was a change of perception, like with Nami later. Ocean's using it to show a pattern. Nika and Bella have so much in common (in their dysfunction) that they think they're enemies. Same process as with Summer, both Nika and Bella realise the other person is interesting. Maybe it's the scent thing, the pheromones, whatever. Proximity. They're forced together by a plot devic (the project) then Nika develops a need to redeem his general shittiness towards prodding Bella, so they bond over the break in. Is it believable? Not really. But neither is any movie with people forced together.

What is less believable is Nika beating up Sai and then they behave while at training, no should checks or any aggression.

One of the differences is that Ocean (again) realises his audience want the sexy time faster than the plot is ready to deliver it, so girls go topless as though it's super common, people have a casual relationship with nudity. This is just treated as a Wollust thing, the world behaves that way because it's part of the physics of the fantasy.

The last point, his hobbo school shooter vibe was a sign that he's being forced to leave his past behind, to stop the atrophy. The whole interest of the LI's in him is due to Bella's interest initially, while Ayua knows Nami's earring means something. With Ayua and Sasha on board, all of the elites will pay attention because those three are paying him attention.

Again, it's a soap opera vibe, it's melodrama. The thing isn't the plausibility of the circumstances but the reactions. Ocean has to set up the situation quickly with each, even with the story being long. You'll see the false familiarity again with Zara and Vanessa getting naked, Zara dropping her aggression and suddenly getting all touchy feely after one dinner. This is just a function of necessity. Ocean could write render with '3 months later', but there's no real value in that. We just have to suspend our disbelief.

Most of season 1 is effectively putting the pieces on the board. I expect more of the personal interactions we started seeing in ch4 and ch5 to be from here - things that are more plausible, and so more genuine. I could easily say 'Bella's unhinged, so she and Nika develop asuper quick stockholm syndrome!' or I can just accept that it happened purely to set up the starting point, like any fable, any movie.
 

Leinad_Sevla

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It's mostly arguing about little things like continuity issues, lack of narrative coherence and lots of retconning that kept happening with each update of season 1. If you're playing the game for the first time now none of it is gonna matter to you because you lack a previous frame of reference so no point in worrying yourself with it. Just enjoy the game :)


Just a bit of a joke. I seriously dislike both characters due to their personalities. It's really not my thing. But it's a very unpopular opinion. Most players love them.
Well, I guess I´ll carry on then. Thank you for answering.
 
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There's a couple of things in play. First, the sped up timeline. We don't see the contents of classes, or the majority of boring mundane events. It's like a tv episode, Ocean, just like every dev, cuts the time to condense the story into a series of events. This means the time to develop relationships is shortened. People already claim it's too slow because Nika's peepee hasn't done anything.
Ocean spends a year of real life to develop one day in the game. We are given a schedule that tells us when we go to Victoria, when to Nia, etc. We have been waiting for 3 years for the training with Ayua, which is supposed to take place on Sunday. We'll probably see the arrival of the women's basketball team at this rate in 10 years, if we're lucky. You call all this an accelerated timeline?
 

Dr.TSoni

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He's part of the MC's "sneaky plan". Sai's hitting on Nami, and the MC is eavesdropping on their communication - that's the idea. But I don't quite get why the hell MC needs this :WaitWhat:
In all honesty I don't think Nika can live without conflict or someone to scheme against

We all know the dev time is something closer to an event horizon :rolleyes:
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I'm outta reacts, so a quick reply, I mostly agree, but with Nami, the important part of her path is the uncertainty that she isn't alone, and that she is masking herself because Nika is 'more' damaged. She's hiding from those closest to her, hiding her feelings and her extroversion is a form of masking.

The important things that were lost (in my opinion) were the morning after bed scene, because it shows she's trying so hard to be the master pervert and gross him out (just like she does with the espresso, she has to be more extreme to prove she belongs) and the way the discussion when she found out about Nick went, I think the rework is more appropriate, but loses the raw vulnerability there. After the rework, instead we have Nami not snitching Nika out if you go on the heist, showing how she'll even cover for his bullshit, and has his back even when she's angry at him, and we have the talk on the bike that shows a vulnerability as well as revealing a plot point - Nika has some form of criminal record.

The other thing we gain is seeing that so much of Nami is an act she's switching between two different personalities, and Nika recognises it, as she's been put in a situation where she finally has to share Nika with other girls. She's not used to it, and she didn't cope with sharing it when Summer was around. Most of Nami's uncertainty stems from her relationship with Nika. It makes her pulling away when he comes on strong more believable, especially as she's seen how all the other girls are reacting to him. Previously her reticence after the kiss and in Ch5 felt like a pulling back from her character, After all, up to that point she's the one agressively arguing agains people's opinions, and being the courageous one. Now to me it feels like a linear escalation of the indicisive and uncertain tendencies I've seen from start to finish, she doesn't know what she wants, or won't admit it.

I don't mention the spa, simply because I personally saw it as fan service rather than a genuine lewd from the story progression. I know a lot of europeans have the public bathing nudity thing going on, but a sex act at that time in someone else's house when you're trying to make a good impression? It was a lewd for the sake of having a lewd in the game, we already know from the lake Nami can get him chubby. I have no problem with that, but I do believe the bathroom scene will be far more interesting, and easier for them to hide from Zara/Vanessa/Mila. Scratch that, there's no hiding from Vanessa.

So we win and lose. The loses can be added back in in future chapters in different scenes. There will be equivalent moments to build raw vulnerable moments - Nami's tears when she's overwhelmed when you chose her path is far more raw and vulnerable than the earlier scene. I'm also not denying that for some people these scenes were important, but in the terms of a story arc with 80% left to go, I think they're actually minor and can build more naturally over the next 80%, even if some lovely moments disappeared.

Works in progress are very much a play at your own risk thing.

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Reaction limit: Exactly, well put. Lewd action figure Nami I found unattractive, current Nami I feel more protective of and more attracted to. But it's a personal reaction.
I will just make a quick response to clarify some of my ideas, but I don't think that there is a right way of view this issue, as is mostly character interpretation and it does not have a right interpretation just different takes. There is some time since I played the OG chapters 1 - 3.5, but I quite disagree that the jacuzzi scene was a lewd for the sake of lewd and I am not talking about the ass grading but the moment after that when Nika starts to take initiative and Nami backs way. every time Nami pushes the line is under a pretext, she is never openly trying to seduce Nika, she is ever just wanting to help or wanting comfort and two things can be true at once, she does want this things but she takes advantages of this situations to get him where she wants him to be.

This showcased the darker side of Nami's character. Oh you are with Bella, I will help to learn how to eat pussy. Oh I am so sad, hug me when I am top less. Let me sit on you lap while naked because bubbles. Oh let me see if I can give you a boner. There is much more interactions, the main point is that Nami was playing a game because she felt she had control over the situations and she had a deniability to herself that she was only being a good roommate and there is nothing wrong with it. The Jacuzzi scene is the high point of this interactions, one as you said because was the absolutely the worst moment to do so, it take things way too far and if the player chooses Nika takes control. Is not - in my mind - a coincidence that after this is when Nika changes his perception over Nami, her hard work payed-off.

Nami before was never unsure of what she wanted, she was just afraid to openly take the first step, so she acted under (somewhat) falses pretenses and pulled out before things get too real. That is why Nika initiative is such a big deal, she can't continue as she was before and now she has to openly said that she want this or walk away, in the last scene she say that she don't have the courage to take the first step and lets Nika decide if he you be the one to start a race of impossible odds. All of this loses its impact in S1 because Nami character was toned down, she is not as pushy, she is not as aggressive or mean, it is not ruined but I don't feel it recache the same notes as before.

Now the rework has its strong points also, I also prefer the talk when you don't go to Bella do the heist in the new version and some other moments. I agree about Nami masking herself to "protect" Nika and that there is some things that could be added in the future but I also feel that it hurt the progression of Nami path in S1. I could delve deeper in it but it is quite a long text already and is mostly different takes over a character, people interpret things differently and that is alright. "New" Nami work best to you, for me I can't shake the felling that something was lost.

Previous Nami: A quirky girl with a high libido who knows how to turn a man on, isn't shy about getting close and pushing boundaries with the guy she likes. She can easily watch porn with him, offers to teach him how to sexually satisfy Bella, can easily pet and French kiss him while waking up half naked in the same bed. Tells her friend Nia at the gym that she has no sexual experience. Says she's a virgin at the movie night with Vic and Mila.

Today Nami: A quirky girl with a high libido who is just learning how to turn a man on, wants to get closer to the guy she likes, and is testing the waters by pushing the boundaries a little. She seems to be slowly being guided by her more sexually experienced friend Nia, so she cautiously tries new things with Nika, without yet making it an outright invitation to fuck her right away. Tells Nia at the gym that she has no sexual experience. Says she's a virgin at a movie night with Vic and Mila.

I don't know, I'm fine with both options, but I think the previous Nami is more of a lewd game character.
While I don't think that "old" Nami is a perfect character and some toned down was for good, I don't think that either of this representations are very accurate. I made my case over "old" Nami in my response to Bob, so here I will just elaborate as to why Today Nami falls a little short of the Previous one.

The main reason is that I don't think that Nami was thought out as this tamed version, this may be the case now, but it was not when the first chapters was released so Ocean tried to connect slightly different characters together. Along S1 Nami was constantly pushing boundaries physical and emotional, be it making jokes or siting on Nika's face and all this reaches its peak when Nika takes initiative, that makes sense as Nami was teasing him for 5 chapters, even a limp dick emo will do something if you try hard enough. With less teasing and pushing boundaries the jacuzzi scene, that still happens it just is not showed, the change of perception, the kiss, some of the Nami's jokes and her motivations suffers, is not ruined but don't quite fit together as it did before.

Of course we can disagree, and that is fine by me. As I have said is mostly different takes and people interpret things differently, as it is now is fine. I don't hate it, I just can't say that I like it more.
 

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I will just make a quick response to clarify some of my ideas, but I don't think that there is a right way of view this issue, as is mostly character interpretation and it does not have a right interpretation just different takes. There is some time since I played the OG chapters 1 - 3.5, but I quite disagree that the jacuzzi scene was a lewd for the sake of lewd and I am not talking about the ass grading but the moment after that when Nika starts to take initiative and Nami backs way. every time Nami pushes the line is under a pretext, she is never openly trying to seduce Nika, she is ever just wanting to help or wanting comfort and two things can be true at once, she does want this things but she takes advantages of this situations to get him where she wants him to be.

This showcased the darker side of Nami's character. Oh you are with Bella, I will help to learn how to eat pussy. Oh I am so sad, hug me when I am top less. Let me sit on you lap while naked because bubbles. Oh let me see if I can give you a boner. There is much more interactions, the main point is that Nami was playing a game because she felt she had control over the situations and she had a deniability to herself that she was only being a good roommate and there is nothing wrong with it. The Jacuzzi scene is the high point of this interactions, one as you said because was the absolutely the worst moment to do so, it take things way too far and if the player chooses Nika takes control. Is not - in my mind - a coincidence that after this is when Nika changes his perception over Nami, her hard work payed-off.

Nami before was never unsure of what she wanted, she was just afraid to openly take the first step, so she acted under (somewhat) falses pretenses and pulled out before things get too real. That is why Nika initiative is such a big deal, she can't continue as she was before and now she has to openly said that she want this or walk away, in the last scene she say that she don't have the courage to take the first step and lets Nika decide if he you be the one to start a race of impossible odds. All of this loses its impact in S1 because Nami character was toned down, she is not as pushy, she is not as aggressive or mean, it is not ruined but I don't feel it recache the same notes as before.

Now the rework has its strong points also, I also prefer the talk when you don't go to Bella do the heist in the new version and some other moments. I agree about Nami masking herself to "protect" Nika and that there is some things that could be added in the future but I also feel that it hurt the progression of Nami path in S1. I could delve deeper in it but it is quite a long text already and is mostly different takes over a character, people interpret things differently and that is alright. "New" Nami work best to you, for me I can't shake the felling that something was lost.



While I don't think that "old" Nami is a perfect character and some toned down was for good, I don't think that either of this representations are very accurate. I made my case over "old" Nami in my response to Bob, so here I will just elaborate as to why Today Nami falls a little short of the Previous one.

The main reason is that I don't think that Nami was thought out as this tamed version, this may be the case now, but it was not when the first chapters was released so Ocean tried to connect slightly different characters together. Along S1 Nami was constantly pushing boundaries physical and emotional, be it making jokes or siting on Nika's face and all this reaches its peak when Nika takes initiative, that makes sense as Nami was teasing him for 5 chapters, even a limp dick emo will do something if you try hard enough. With less teasing and pushing boundaries the jacuzzi scene, that still happens it just is not showed, the change of perception, the kiss, some of the Nami's jokes and her motivations suffers, is not ruined but don't quite fit together as it did before.

Of course we can disagree, and that is fine by me. As I have said is mostly different takes and people interpret things differently, as it is now is fine. I don't hate it, I just can't say that I like it more.
I have to say that reading your comment it is becoming difficult to keep track of all the changes
 
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