VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[AlexFXR]

Neither do I. But he also forgot to tell you that the renders from back then were of lower quality. I mean bad lighting, noises, no background characters, lower resolutions. Now each render is of the highest quality and therefore, take more time to make. Alex is a textbook hater who purposely mislead people because of his hurt feelings.

Why lie on my behalf? I don't think the old renders are bad, especially since Ocean used to do better lighting, and in the new renders you can see that he's slacking off. Although you're right about one thing, the resolution has increased, it was full HD, now it's 4K. But I don't have a 4K monitor, so it doesn't matter to me.
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Of course, I can still throw in a bunch of new renders, like in the robbery, where it’s dark and you can’t see a damn thing.

P.S. If I am a hater who deceives people, can you give a couple of examples proving this?

 

[BobTheDuck]

The problem is not that she is conceived or not in the WiaB time frame, but that she is a LI daughter at all. Ocean wants to incorporate WiaB choices in SG, in a manner that only he knows for sure, but is safe to assume that it will include the LI we chose for that game. Let's say that I end WiaB with Elena, Sasha is not my child ? And if she is my child can she be a LI ? The same would be true if the goth girl is Leia's daughter and a LI or any similiar case. Granted it only is a problem if Nika also is a Zane, but that is another discussion.

The Revera could be a guy. Is just that a girl is a more easy conclusion, the entire female first team is yet to be introduced, we know a good chunk of the male first team, and so far nothing was mentioned, granted a weak reason. Maybe is the cameo shorts guy, maybe a girl . The point is that so far we have little characters that are possible William's offspring based on WiaB know LIs and side girls.

No ? Swear that has a render of her going down the stairs, or Sasha makes a comment that made me think so. No, but is fair to assume that both has a role to play in the story and I assume, still are LIs or lewdable at least.

SG starts with the canon path Ayua is a Zane, and we assume that is why Ocean has not made her a LI. If Sasha was also then part Zane, she could no longer be a LI if that is the reason for Ayua not being one. The reason I mention the timefram is that if we believe Willi is Ayua's father, he is unlikely to cheating on the LI he ends up with by the end of the game. I think Ocean intentionally made the time gap large enough to ensure that the LI's in SG can't be the result of player choice, to avoid breaching the ToS. SG will respect that 100%. A player choice in WiaB will not alter parentage of a LI, simply because it's too risky to Ocean's income. While Ocean deals with patrons on that platform, it is a non starter.

Also, we don't know Elena is a LI in WiaB, she was intended, but who knows after the rework? She was only a couple of renders with no interaction in the old version.

The camo shorts guy simply stuck out because he's in the background a lot, and Ocean does stuff like that. But a full team is more than 5 players. So I'm thinking it seems pretty open still as to who it could be. We could have already seen them because they needed to help their mom with university stuff like Layla had to, so it could be redhead. Seeing we don't know 100% that Donna is a Revera yet, we don't even have the vaguest idea of what to look for.

We simply can't guess the family trees until Ch4 of WiaB shows us how the change will filter through the games.

I have the assumption that any detailed character will either be lewdable, and LI or a major plot character. Important characters are eyecatching because they're the dev's favourites. Robin is meant to be lewdable, Ocean loves Sasha enough that she will be. It's worth going to the LI list that is linked on the OP, it does get updates with details from discord etc.

 

[Ahx]

A couple of years ago, Ocean wrote that he creates 30 renders a day. Last year, he wrote that he optimized his work. After which he wrote that he made about 3,200 renders in 3 months. Now he also wrote that he improved his work, but the result says the opposite, 2,000 renders in 5 months. This information is from the log that came out last summer, you can check everything yourself.

Why lie on my behalf? I don't think the old renders are bad, especially since Ocean used to do better lighting, and in the new renders you can see that he's slacking off. Although you're right about one thing, the resolution has increased, it was full HD, now it's 4K. But I don't have a 4K monitor, so it doesn't matter to me.
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Of course, I can still throw in a bunch of new renders, like in the robbery, where it’s dark and you can’t see a damn thing.

P.S. If I am a hater who deceives people, can you give a couple of examples proving this?

3,200 renders in 3 months. Are you sure this 3200 renders were of SG alone? Could be of both games, no? I don't know. Please make sure because this 2000 renders definitely belongs to SG alone.

If what you say is true that the numbers are dwindling, then it also could mean this new update contains a lot of characters in a single frame, new settings, and new backgrounds. This update features the cabin scene, yes? Lot of tress. All the green stuff. I've heard they were very much time-consuming to cook. Just my assumptions, please confirm.

 

[LHDLLB]

SG starts with the canon path Ayua is a Zane, and we assume that is why Ocean has not made her a LI. If Sasha was also then part Zane, she could no longer be a LI if that is the reason for Ayua not being one. The reason I mention the timefram is that if we believe Willi is Ayua's father, he is unlikely to cheating on the LI he ends up with by the end of the game. I think Ocean intentionally made the time gap large enough to ensure that the LI's in SG can't be the result of player choice, to avoid breaching the ToS. SG will respect that 100%. A player choice in WiaB will not alter parentage of a LI, simply because it's too risky to Ocean's income. While Ocean deals with patrons on that platform, it is a non starter.

Also, we don't know Elena is a LI in WiaB, she was intended, but who knows after the rework? She was only a couple of renders with no interaction in the old version.

The camo shorts guy simply stuck out because he's in the background a lot, and Ocean does stuff like that. But a full team is more than 5 players. So I'm thinking it seems pretty open still as to who it could be. We could have already seen them because they needed to help their mom with university stuff like Layla had to, so it could be redhead. Seeing we don't know 100% that Donna is a Revera yet, we don't even have the vaguest idea of what to look for.

We simply can't guess the family trees until Ch4 of WiaB shows us how the change will filter through the games.

I have the assumption that any detailed character will either be lewdable, and LI or a major plot character. Important characters are eyecatching because they're the dev's favourites. Robin is meant to be lewdable, Ocean loves Sasha enough that she will be. It's worth going to the LI list that is linked on the OP, it does get updates with details from discord etc.

But that is the reason that I said she might be a problem. Sasha may be or not William's daughter that is why I said she might be problematic to work with, not that she is, but she is old enough and is related to a possible LI. Maybe William get Miru and Elena pregnant close to one another, and who is to say what type of relationship they had 20 years ago ? Miru and William can be in a open relationship, William does not needs to be cheating anyone moreover William is not only a character but is controlled by the player, maybe I want to cheat on Miru or Ellena.

Regarding breaching ToS. I agree, but is not like Ocean was very concerned with it before WiaB get nuked. WiaB page getting nuked is proof of that. Now is possible that he made some changes, but I think that the original intent with some relationships are very clear. Either way my point was that the only characters that might be William's offspring is Ayua and her sister, Sasha and the Revera. And those the ones that might pose a problem for him. Now is possible that Sasha is someone child ? Absolutely. Would be strange if in my playthrough of WiaB I end with Elena and Sasha is not my child ? Kinda. That will depend on how the WiaB choices will be implemented, and what those choices are. But Sasha being old enough and being daughter of a LI is kinda of suss. Again only if Nika is a Zane, with is entirely possible he is not.

About the Revera. You are right, is pretty open, the female first team was just the first place my mind gone for. About characters designs I agree, though is tough to say with Ocean. The readhead girl seems to be a important character as the goth girl and the tattoed one in the library but others I am less sure about like the twins, I don't if thet are gone be something other than comedic relief.

 

[BobTheDuck]

3,200 renders in 3 months. Are you sure this 3200 renders were of SG alone? Could be of both games, no? I don't know. Please make sure because this 2000 renders definitely belongs to SG alone.

If what you say is true that the numbers are dwindling, then it also could mean this new update contains a lot of characters in a single frame, new settings, and new backgrounds. This update features the cabin scene, yes? Lot of tress. All the green stuff. I've heard they were very much time-consuming to cook. Just my assumptions, please confirm.

Which update of SG had 3200 renders? THere's your answer. In actual fact, Ch2 was the fastest Ocean's ever rendered, until now. Right now Ocean is rendering faster than at any point before.

Ch2 - 2545 new renders in 248 days, 10.26 renders a day. 2000 renders in 150 days is faster at an average of 13.3 a day with much better quality than before, so that's what, 30% faster, purely based on SG renders, not counting WiaB. Ch2 was also the biggest render count until now.

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But that is the reason that I said she might be a problem. Sasha may be or not William's daughter that is why I said she might be problematic to work with, not that she is, but she is old enough and is related to a possible LI. Maybe William get Miru and Elena pregnant close to one another, and who is to say what type of relationship they had 20 years ago ? Miru and William can be in a open relationship, William does not needs to be cheating anyone moreover William is not only a character but is controlled by the player, maybe I want to cheat on Miru or Ellena.

Regarding breaching ToS. I agree, but is not like Ocean was very concerned with it before WiaB get nuked. WiaB page getting nuked is proof of that. Now is possible that he made some changes, but I think that the original intent with some relationships are very clear. Either way my point was that the only characters that might be William's offspring is Ayua and her sister, Sasha and the Revera. And those the ones that might pose a problem for him. Now is possible that Sasha is someone child ? Absolutely. Would be strange if in my playthrough of WiaB I end with Elena and Sasha is not my child ? Kinda. That will depend on how the WiaB choices will be implemented, and what those choices are. But Sasha being old enough and being daughter of a LI is kinda of suss. Again only if Nika is a Zane, with is entirely possible he is not.

About the Revera. You are right, is pretty open, the female first team was just the first place my mind gone for. About characters designs I agree, though is tough to say with Ocean. The readhead girl seems to be a important character as the goth girl and the tattoed one in the library but others I am less sure about like the twins, I don't if thet are gone be something other than comedic relief.

I think you're missing my point. There are other things that determine whether a LI can be William's offspring, and that the ToS. Ocean will not write any option in the code that allows that possibility. So maybe Damian's superpower is that he's William's. Or Jeff is William and Gina's And, exactly because WiaB got nuked, Ocean will ensure SG doesn't. It's his income. No matter how appealing these ideas are, they just won't happen according to the ToS, or haven't you noticed how many games have gone through reworks recently?

And yes, it is either or. But until Ocean defines WiaB, we can't really untie the gordian knot.

And it wouldn't be strange to end WiaB without Elena pregnant, because Sasha is too young to be a WiaB pregnancy. If she's 18, and WiaB is 20 years ago... this is what I am saying. Ocean's specifically made it too long a gap for the SG cast to be WiaB pregnancies for a reason ...or maybe it was just lucky bad planning.

 

[dameromexxx]

I think that at least one of the girls from the Free Boobs Movement will turn out to be important, Ocean teaseing with these girls with purple ribbons around their necks too much for it to be a simple coincidence

 

[LHDLLB]

Which update of SG had 3200 renders? THere's your answer. In actual fact, Ch2 was the fastest Ocean's ever rendered, until now. Right now Ocean is rendering faster than at any point before.

Ch2 - 2545 new renders in 248 days, 10.26 renders a day. 2000 renders in 150 days is faster at an average of 13.3 a day with much better quality than before, so that's waht 30% faster, purely based on SG renders, not counting WiaB. Ch2 was also the biggest render count until now.

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I think you're missing my point. There are other things that determine whether a LI can be William's offspring, and that the ToS. Ocean will not write any option in the code that allows that possibility. So maybe Damian's superpower is that he's William's. Or Jeff is William and Gina's And, exactly because WiaB got nuked, Ocean will ensure SG doesn't. It's his income. No matter how appealing these ideas are, they just won't happen according to the ToS, or haven't you noticed how many games have gone through reworks recently?

And yes, it is either or. But until Ocean defines WiaB, we can't really untie the gordian knot.

And it wouldn't be strange to end WiaB without Elena pregnant, because Sasha is too young to be a WiaB pregnancy. If she's 18, and WiaB is 20 years ago... this is what I am saying. Ocean's specifically made it too long a gap for the SG cast to be WiaB pregnancies for a reason ...or maybe it was just lucky bad planning.

I am seeing your point, but we are looking at different ends of the problem. Sasha might be a problem because Ocean can't breach the ToS.Is either a problem for SG or is a problem for WiaB. Granted, I am making some assumptions but none too far fetched, either Elena is a LI and Sasha can be a Zane or she is not. But if she is it would be very strange for Ocean give you the opition of ending the story with her, but Sasha be somebody elese child, can you see my point ?

Is not about if Elena ends the story preggos or not. even if she does not, if she ends with William how can Sasha not be his ? Sure, if the canon is William and Miru no problem but we know that Ocean plans on transfer saves, and now we starting getting problems. Sorry english is not my first language and I feel that I am not expressing my thoughts clear enough.

Sasha is the only real problematic character, because she is the only LI that is the daughter of a possible LI in WiaB. This is saying that she is the only character that definitely can be William's child. Even Ayua you can come up with some crazy theory as there is nor confirmation on her parents. Sasha don't. So either Elena cheats with William - possible it has NTR- or Sasha is William daughter, depending on player choice. But she can't because ToS. hence the problem. Does it make sense ?

 

[LHDLLB]

I think that at least one of the girls from the Free Boobs Movement will turn out to be important, Ocean teaseing with these girls with purple ribbons around their necks too much for it to be a simple coincidence

Aren't those the cafeteria waiters ? with the purple ribbons I mean. I think at least one of them work as a cam girl as well.

 

[BobTheDuck]

I am seeing your point, but we are looking at different ends of the problem. Sasha might be a problem because Ocean can't breach the ToS.Is either a problem for SG or is a problem for WiaB. Granted, I am making some assumptions but none too far fetched, either Elena is a LI and Sasha can be a Zane or she is not. But if she is it would be very strange for Ocean give you the opition of ending the story with her, but Sasha be somebody elese child, can you see my point ?

Is not about if Elena ends the story preggos or not. even if she does not, if she ends with William how can Sasha not be his ? Sure, if the canon is William and Miru no problem but we know that Ocean plans on transfer saves, and now we starting getting problems. Sorry english is not my first language and I feel that I am not expressing my thoughts clear enough.

Sasha is the only real problematic character, because she is the only LI that is the daughter of a possible LI in WiaB. This is saying that she is the only character that definitely can be William's child. Even Ayua you can come up with some crazy theory as there is nor confirmation on her parents. Sasha don't. So either Elena cheats with William - possible it has NTR- or Sasha is William daughter, depending on player choice. But she can't because ToS. hence the problem. Does it make sense ?

I see your point, but it's too big a thing to implement, and it can only happen at the end once all the WiaB variables are completed. If SG was developed as a sequel rather than at the same time, it'd be possible, but WiaB needs to be finished, and Season 1 of SG has a completed script. Ocean would have to rework the script to implement the save data, and trigger new renders etc. Will that actually be worth it in 10 years time?

If you avoid Miru, Ayua will still exist no matter what you do. The canon is that Ayua is a Zane, and will be for the next decade until WiaB is finished and saves can be transferred. Would it make sense to you to have a change like that after knowing Ayua is a Zane for that long, having played SG all that time, having seen the whole development of both games already? It'll be ingraind by that point.

Sure Sasha can be Willi's but it's also not a problem if she is. All it means is that Nika is definitely not Willi's if Sasha is. Those are mutually exclusive facts according to the ToS that Ocean abides by. There will never be a problem like that. Ocean won't allow paths to exist that would jeopardise SG, which is his main income. Players will not be able to choose those kinds of paths that would cause problems. You're assuming that OCean will allow choices in WiaB to threaten his source of income. Right now, SG in effect props up WiaB. Simple - in your scenario, Elena and William decide to separate, because Elena gets pregnant to someone else. in the time between the end of Wiab and Sasha's conception, or any variation of things that happen after the player's ending in the year after. Solved.

Also, she is not the only LI that is the daughter of a possible LI in WiaB, we simply don't know what might or might not happen with Daphne, Dana, Mon, Gina, Zoey, Kat... We don't know Elena is a LI right now. Heck other than Miru, we don't know if any of them are

 

[Dr.TSoni]

All it means is that Nika is definitely not Willi's

But then why can't we have Ayua?

 

[BobTheDuck]

But then why can't we have Ayua?
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Well I think it's more than possible Ocean has a plan for her past SG, but I'm gonna keep hoping for Ocean to be kind.

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[Dr.TSoni]

Well I think it's more than possible Ocean has a plan for her past SG, but I'm gonna keep hoping for Ocean to be kind.

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It's a real injustice especially now that in season 2 she looks so good

 

[LHDLLB]

I see your point, but it's too big a thing to implement, and it can only happen at the end once all the WiaB variables are completed. If SG was developed as a sequel rather than at the same time, it'd be possible, but WiaB needs to be finished, and Season 1 of SG has a completed script. Ocean would have to rework the script to implement the save data, and trigger new renders etc. Will that actually be worth it in 10 years time?

If you avoid Miru, Ayua will still exist no matter what you do. The canon is that Ayua is a Zane, and will be for the next decade until WiaB is finished and saves can be transferred. Would it make sense to you to have a change like that after knowing Ayua is a Zane for that long, having played SG all that time, having seen the whole development of both games already? It'll be ingraind by that point.

Sure Sasha can be Willi's but it's also not a problem if she is. All it means is that Nika is definitely not Willi's if Sasha is. Those are mutually exclusive facts according to the ToS that Ocean abides by. There will never be a problem like that. Ocean won't allow paths to exist that would jeopardise SG, which is his main income. Players will not be able to choose those kinds of paths that would cause problems. You're assuming that OCean will allow choices in WiaB to threaten his source of income. Right now, SG in effect props up WiaB. Simple - in your scenario, Elena and William decide to separate, because Elena gets pregnant to someone else. in the time between the end of Wiab and Sasha's conception, or any variation of things that happen after the player's ending in the year after. Solved.

Also, she is not the only LI that is the daughter of a possible LI in WiaB, we simply don't know what might or might not happen with Daphne, Dana, Mon, Gina, Zoey, Kat... We don't know Elena is a LI right now. Heck other than Miru, we don't know if any of them are

At this point I am glad that you can se my point, was going crazy thinking that I was talking nonsense. Couple of thing, yes would require WiaB be finished and it entails more work, but this only is post pond the problem, also this applys to the Ayua situation as well, we may be talking about a problem 10 years from now but it still is a problem. At least if Ocean intents to keep the transfer save idea insted of one canon end, then SG has to make sense in all those variables, and abide to ToS in all those variable as well.

For sure, as I said, I was making assumptions. It is only a problem so far as both of them are William's children. About Ocean not allowing paths to jeopardize SG... Again the story was not written in 2024, nor was WiaB. He can have made changes to ajust the script - if not he should- but is really out of the realm of possibilities that the original intent was another ? Is not a problem with out solution, assuming Elena is a LI, they could have broken up, Elena got pregnant and William got back with Miru and had Ayua. Entirely possible. But this defeats the purpose of the transfer saves idea, much easier have a canon end, why allow me to transfer my William to them go out of way to invalided my choice ? Makes no sense.

No, but she is the only one that we know off. Amber, Bella, Sasha, Elsa, Marla, Mila, Nadia, Nami, Nia, Sonya,Vanessa, Zara, Victoria. Out of those I would say very few can be William's and fewer so match the knows WiaB LI. and ofcourse Elena can not be a LI in WiaB, and all of this is only a problem if Nika is a Zane, if he is not the entire cast can be Williams children. I was just making a observation, the same way that LI such as Nami has some issue to work around, Sasha could have similar ones.

 

[BobTheDuck]

At this point I am glad that you can se my point, was going crazy thinking that I was talking nonsense. Couple of thing, yes would require WiaB be finished and it entails more work, but this only is post pond the problem, also this applys to the Ayua situation as well, we may be talking about a problem 10 years from now but it still is a problem. At least if Ocean intents to keep the transfer save idea insted of one canon end, then SG has to make sense in all those variables, and abide to ToS in all those variable as well.

For sure, as I said, I was making assumptions. It is only a problem so far as both of them are William's children. About Ocean not allowing paths to jeopardize SG... Again the story was not written in 2024, nor was WiaB. He can have made changes to ajust the script - if not he should- but is really out of the realm of possibilities that the original intent was another ? Is not a problem with out solution, assuming Elena is a LI, they could have broken up, Elena got pregnant and William got back with Miru and had Ayua. Entirely possible. But this defeats the purpose of the transfer saves idea, much easier have a canon end, why allow me to transfer my William to them go out of way to invalided my choice ? Makes no sense.

No, but she is the only one that we know off. Amber, Bella, Sasha, Elsa, Marla, Mila, Nadia, Nami, Nia, Sonya,Vanessa, Zara, Victoria. Out of those I would say very few can be William's and fewer so match the knows WiaB LI. and ofcourse Elena can not be a LI in WiaB, and all of this is only a problem if Nika is a Zane, if he is not the entire cast can be Williams children. I was just making a observation, the same way that LI such as Nami has some issue to work around, Sasha could have similar ones.

Original intent is lost, along with the old WiaB and the old SG. The assumed original intent is not the current intent or the future intnet. To wonder what might be which won't happen because of the ToS Ocean needs to stick to won't persuade the people Ocean needs to keep onboard. Nothing needs to change in the scrip we hae of SG fro Sasha to simply be a Petrova. For her to be part Zane, Ocean will need to change the script and potentially add in plot lines in 2030 of SG Season 1 right up to wherever he gets to by the time Wiab Is published. And the same for all the other potential crossover choices. I don't think that's a useful way for Ocean to spend time.

Of SG, what prevents Bella, Elsa, Mila, Nadia, Nia, Vanessa, or Zara from being William's wild oats (or Leia's genes)? The only thing is who Nika's daddy might be. Of these we know nothing for certain. If any of them were Leia's, it's still the same situation. The Frohns, Sonya, Amber, Marla are the only ones definitely not.

The only problem is technical in regard to whether it's too much work to transfer WiaB saves meaningfully. Season to season makes sense, because Ocean hasn't developed the subsequent seasons before so it can be implemented on the fly, in an almost linear fashion. Then SG will eventually be done, and it's save can easily be ported to the next game. THe technical issue is that WiaB won't befinished before we're in the third season of SG, which will bake a lot of things into our memories.

I'm honestly not certain about who is or isn't a Zane via sticky tryst. WiaB will clear up a lot of things for SG once we find out those bits of knowledge regarding the new thrust.

 

[AlexFXR]

In actual fact, Ch2 was the fastest Ocean's ever rendered, until now. Right now Ocean is rendering faster than at any point before.

Ch2 - 2545 new renders in 248 days, 10.26 renders a day. 2000 renders in 150 days is faster at an average of 13.3 a day with much better quality than before

Your statement is very questionable from a mathematical point of view. I just can't understand how what you wrote can be faster than: 3200 renders in 90 days, 35.5 renders per day. By the way, Ocean did this last year for season 1 chapter 5, which means he used textures from version 8 of Genesis (8.1-8.2). Now, when he makes season 2 chapter 1, he also uses version 8 of Genesis, so the quality will be the same as in previous chapters. Why did you decide that the quality will improve?

 

[rudy007]

Original intent is lost, along with the old WiaB and the old SG. The assumed original intent is not the current intent or the future intnet. To wonder what might be which won't happen because of the ToS Ocean needs to stick to won't persuade the people Ocean needs to keep onboard. Nothing needs to change in the scrip we hae of SG fro Sasha to simply be a Petrova. For her to be part Zane, Ocean will need to change the script and potentially add in plot lines in 2030 of SG Season 1 right up to wherever he gets to by the time Wiab Is published. And the same for all the other potential crossover choices. I don't think that's a useful way for Ocean to spend time.

Of SG, what prevents Bella, Elsa, Mila, Nadia, Nia, Vanessa, or Zara from being William's wild oats (or Leia's genes)? The only thing is who Nika's daddy might be. Of these we know nothing for certain. If any of them were Leia's, it's still the same situation. The Frohns, Sonya, Amber, Marla are the only ones definitely not.

The only problem is technical in regard to whether it's too much work to transfer WiaB saves meaningfully. Season to season makes sense, because Ocean hasn't developed the subsequent seasons before so it can be implemented on the fly, in an almost linear fashion. Then SG will eventually be done, and it's save can easily be ported to the next game. THe technical issue is that WiaB won't befinished before we're in the third season of SG, which will bake a lot of things into our memories.

I'm honestly not certain about who is or isn't a Zane via sticky tryst. WiaB will clear up a lot of things for SG once we find out those bits of knowledge regarding the new thrust.

I heard that Willy was 20 years ago briefly in Iran...

 

[dameromexxx]

Aren't those the cafeteria waiters ? with the purple ribbons I mean. I think at least one of them work as a cam girl as well.

Honestly, I don't think so. The first time we see purple ribbons around the necks of three girls protesting for ''Free Boobs Movment'', but from Nami's words we know there are more of them. Then one of the three later comes to us in the cafeteria asking if we're interested in acting lessons. The girl with the tattoo on her back in the library that you mentioned earlier also wears it, and one of the viewers of the show with handcuffs. It's a pity we can't ask Maya if she has such a ribbon

 

[RNasc4444]

Elena got pregnant and William got back with Miru and had Ayua.

Allow me to interject, once again, to remind you that as far as we know Ayua is a Zane and neither William nor Miru are Zanes. Therefore continuing to assume that Ayua is Miru and Willi's daughter is unwise given the info we currently have.

 

[LHDLLB]

Original intent is lost, along with the old WiaB and the old SG. The assumed original intent is not the current intent or the future intnet. To wonder what might be which won't happen because of the ToS Ocean needs to stick to won't persuade the people Ocean needs to keep onboard. Nothing needs to change in the scrip we hae of SG fro Sasha to simply be a Petrova. For her to be part Zane, Ocean will need to change the script and potentially add in plot lines in 2030 of SG Season 1 right up to wherever he gets to by the time Wiab Is published. And the same for all the other potential crossover choices. I don't think that's a useful way for Ocean to spend time.

Of SG, what prevents Bella, Elsa, Mila, Nadia, Nia, Vanessa, or Zara from being William's wild oats (or Leia's genes)? The only thing is who Nika's daddy might be. Of these we know nothing for certain. If any of them were Leia's, it's still the same situation. The Frohns, Sonya, Amber, Marla are the only ones definitely not.

The only problem is technical in regard to whether it's too much work to transfer WiaB saves meaningfully. Season to season makes sense, because Ocean hasn't developed the subsequent seasons before so it can be implemented on the fly, in an almost linear fashion. Then SG will eventually be done, and it's save can easily be ported to the next game. THe technical issue is that WiaB won't befinished before we're in the third season of SG, which will bake a lot of things into our memories.

I'm honestly not certain about who is or isn't a Zane via sticky tryst. WiaB will clear up a lot of things for SG once we find out those bits of knowledge regarding the new thrust.

Oh I fully agree about intent, my point was that SG might have suffered more changes than we know off. Regarding time and useful of time, I fully agree, this is my whole point as to why Sasha might be so problematic. Either she breaches ToS, or to explain her requires further working around. Even if Nika is not a Zane, the fact she is the daughter of a ( potentiality )LI of WiaB make Ocean have to account two variables one in with she is William's daughter and one with she is not. Because if Elena is a LI with we can enter a relationship and Ocean gives the option to import save, having Sasha being somebody else child does not make much sense. More easy is Elena is not a LI anymore, possible but personally I find unlikely, thus Sasha can be anyone child or Sasha is Zane depending on players choice. The ToS thing is just another problem, that hinges not in Sasha but in Nika, Sasha problem is that of possibilites, she might be just as well as she might no be. I only bring it up because the port save idea.

Nothing, outside that we don't know enough to confirm or deny it. We only know of Sasha. But again if we look at those options, give only what we know off, not think crazy scenarios. Nia has problems with her family because she is a camgirl, would William be mad at her because of it when we can encourage Miru to do porn ? Bella, not impossible but would she have such good relationships with Ayua ? Or more would not have a even deeper one if Ayua was her half sister ? Zara and Vanessa, is possible, Nick was cucked by William and raised his children... but it has as much evidence in favor of this idea as there is against. Elsa, sometimes I forgot that she even is a LI, that depends on a lot that we have no clue off 50/50. Mila is a stronger one if her mother was one of Leia's workers, Nadia similar case as Elsa, would say a little more only because she studies at ZPR.

I see the technical issue just as well, don't have a clue how Ocean will handle that, but as SG is ahead not only in the game timeline but in developing I feel that any decision made in WiaB that is transfered to SG will retroactive change the it. Sure nobody can be, but this started with we saying that the chances are that we have less William wild oats than we might think and I agree. Going back to WiaB and based on some of the OG, my guesses based on what we know is: Ayua and her sisters, Sasha and the Revera, think any other character we don't have enough evidence to make a case off.

 

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Honestly, I don't think so. The first time we see purple ribbons around the necks of three girls protesting for ''Free Boobs Movment'', but from Nami's words we know there are more of them. Then one of the three later comes to us in the cafeteria asking if we're interested in acting lessons. The girl with the tattoo on her back in the library that you mentioned earlier also wears it, and one of the viewers of the show with handcuffs. It's a pity we can't ask Maya if she has such a ribbon

You are right, I may be mixing things up. Maybe the camgirl that work at the cafeteria uses one ? But you are right it seems to be a free the nipple thing.