Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.4468] [Kompas Productions]

[nicktex]

I bet this post will be received overwhelmingly positive...

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Judith looks like she may have slimmed down a bit.

 

[McSlut]

but I think that guy's "not even fucking close" is just a snarky, sarcastic dismissal of the original question, one they probably get a lot.

no it's simply the reality of the situation because we are not even making 1% progress a month anymore

 

[DcntMood]

So it's been a year already since the last update?

 

[Count Morado]

Is it 24 hours? Generally you dont charge early access if you are gonna release a public build the next day, otherwise there'd be no incentive to support. Most devs do a week/month later release for public builds so that the patrons feel they got their moneys worth which then gets leaked to us pirates the same time as paying supporters so the dev gets pissy about it, which is always funny to see on threads.

Except that is exactly what DC does - 24 hour early release for subscribers. The only other difference in terms of game access is that subscribers get use of faster download servers than the public. That's all. That's it. And he doesn't get bent out of shape if someone share's their copy on F95 before that 24 hours. Same with the wallpapers - the HD wallpapers are for higher tier subscribers only... but he clearly states "For the lower tier Patrons, simply wait a few hours for them to leak! (or DM me on Discord)." He's fully aware of what he offers and what gets shared.

The schadenfreude in threads like this (and a couple of other popular threads I follow) isn't because of a "pissy dev" but because of entitled brats.

So it's been a year already since the last update?

Yes.

 

[Username7]

Are these people with some authority? Like, do they work on the game or are in close contact with the devs?

If so then that's a very bleak outlook, being "not even fucking close to nearly done" is very bad when you take into consideration how long it's already been. And we don't even know if it'll be good either, maybe the tech-update gets rushed at the end because everyone has grown tired of it, or released with bugs because of sheer incompetence.

Idk, I'm growing increasingly pessimistic and it's a shame because I'd like to see this game flourish.

That'd be Fabby and Hellborg. They have little to no idea what's going on with the update beyond what the devs tell them. Well maybe Fabby has some idea because he talks with Vole and Toxic a lot, hell half the stuff they say I've posted here in the past has come from conversations Fabby either started or took part in. Hellborg on the other hand is only a mod because he was one of the first patreons back in 2016 who is a massive troll and has no patience for dealing with people, hell he used to trick people into bugging Dogeek back in the day because he knew it'd get them banned faster.

 

[Xiondingens]

The schadenfreude in threads like this (and a couple of other popular threads I follow) isn't because of a "pissy dev" but because of entitled brats.

Couldnt have said better it myself.

I maybe would have had that people are just butthurt because he earnes more monies than him. But he does nothing to force people to pay him and he still got it. That is a whole different behaviour to another dev i could think of, with his maleware, copyprotection, no public release and his head up his ass. I wont say the name, but i am sure this description will ring a bell for some.

 

[KillerBee487]

We have. On April 30, 2024 - if there is no update by that time, the thread qualifies for the consideration of the "abandoned" tag by the F95 after a person reports the thread by using the REPORT button in OP. That's the only date anyone is going to get on F95 about this game for a very long time.
Reading doesn't seem to be difficult for them. Clearly expressing a valid perspective with supporting information appears to be difficult for others.
See #10 here: #72,879. I also recommend #1

Man they're making 1 task per MONTH. HOLY SHIT! The tracker is getting even slower than before!
Dude, this is just a fucking nonsense. And now we're getting inputs that we are still far far away from finishing?
C'mon...

 

[The Coheed Amory]

Mrs. Smith wallpaper with glasses

 

[Count Morado]

Man they're making 1 task per MONTH. HOLY SHIT! The tracker is getting even slower than before!
Dude, this is just a fucking nonsense. And now we're getting inputs that we are still far far away from finishing?
C'mon...

Okay. Stop supporting them if you're a frustrated subscriber. If you read the posts, you will see that the input isn't from official developer channels - but discord mods/trolls. But, yeah, you can consider that it is still very far away - possibly Spring 2024 or much farther.

And "we" aren't anywhere - the development team is working at the rate they are accepting of. For "we" here, it's a free-to-play game for everyone that the greater majority doesn't even subscribe to get wallpaper or discord roles, and we'll just need to be patient because there is nothing we can do to change the rate.

The developer doesn't communicate here except very very very very rarely and has yet to be swayed whatever matchstick torches and tinfoil pitchforks internet warriors attempt to wield.

 

[DaedusWolfe]

For a game bringing in 60k a month, one change in 24 hours seems a bit ..... unproductive

 

[Count Morado]

For a game bringing in 60k a month, one change in 24 hours seems a bit ..... unproductive

The game is bringing in $0 per month, directly. The game is free for everyone to play - no one pays to play, no one subscribes to get to play. The developer is bringing in $60k per month from memberships in Patreon tiers. Subscribers pay those membership tiers to support the efforts of the development team who does work on the game, but the benefits of the tiers are not based in game production. The subscribers receive what the developer has promised in benefits on Patreon each month. This is unlike other developers who tie access to their games through Patreon tier benefits.

To your point about tasks. If that task was "edit this 1 page script for the conversation between the MC and the bank teller" I can understand your perspective. However, if that task is "restructure the code for Debbie's storyline," it isn't as difficult to perceive for something like that to take quite a long period of time. Same with posing the image layers for Jenny in every scene she is involved. It depends upon how each of the 500+ tasks are defined. It appears that a good number of the quick and easy tasks were done up front and that's why there was an explosion in the progress chart in the early months, and they left the harder, longer, more intricate tasks for later and progress to complete the number of project has slowed.

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[MC's Hammer]

Mrs. Smith wallpaper with glasses
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After waiting all these years, we've finally been given more Annie content!

 

[BBC King]

Except that is exactly what DC does - 24 hour early release for subscribers. The only other difference in terms of game access is that subscribers get use of faster download servers than the public. That's all. That's it. And he doesn't get bent out of shape if someone share's their copy on F95 before that 24 hours. Same with the wallpapers - the HD wallpapers are for higher tier subscribers only... but he clearly states "For the lower tier Patrons, simply wait a few hours for them to leak! (or DM me on Discord)." He's fully aware of what he offers and what gets shared.

Guess Patrons are even more stupid than I thought, paying for some shit for months on end thats stuck in a development tsukuyomi only for it to release and pirates get the same content whilst also sparing their wallets tens to hundreds of dollars lmfao. Also good for DC for not getting pissy, lucky for us though most devs arent like that so its quite a show when a unintended leak shows up here.

 

[MisterMeh]

Guess Patrons are even more stupid than I thought, paying for some shit for months on end thats stuck in a development tsukuyomi only for it to release and pirates get the same content whilst also sparing their wallets tens to hundreds of dollars lmfao. Also good for DC for not getting pissy, lucky for us though most devs arent like that so it's quite a show when an unintended leak shows up here.

This is a general response for the nay sayers of the game.

I think what Count Morado is trying to convey to the people who are being negative towards this game or the development time, is that there's very little reason to. Paying a monthly Patreon fee is optional and doesn't actually impact nonpaying fans of the game. Dark cookie doesn't seem to care about the game leaking the same day as the paying customers and AFAIK, paying customers don't seem to complain very much either. Remember that game is leaked by the paying customers.

The wallpapers are always leaked pretty much the day they release, and that because it's leaked by the paying customers.

No one is going to debate that it's been quite some time between updates but that's just the way of life. For the people paying? Let them do whatever it is they want with their money. They're probably content because they're watching daily streams and interacting with DC during that time.

There's also a lot of interactivity within the game design itself. I only watch the stream maybe once a week, and even I have a little contribution to the art of the game, in the form of the two black parents with the white baby, walking out of the hospital. The entire map is filled with people getting their little jokes in or adding their ideas to the backgrounds all over.

I don't know what other game development is like, but I imagine it's nowhere near the input the fans get with DC.

Lastly the abandoned tag request. Say people get their wish and it happens. What is the reward or benefit from it? It feels like (through reading the numerous posts) these people wish to punish DC, thereby either shaming him in some way, or asking for people to stop supporting him, to force him to work faster. These are the same people calling Patreon supporters stupid, all the while asking for the wallpapers those very same people are supplying.

If the game is already free, the wallpapers are leaked by paying supporters and DC doesn't care, how will shaming or forcing him to move faster, work? I think a lot of people need to step away from these threads and reevaluate their levels of patience, and just exactly who is, and isn't smart.

 

[Xupuzulla]

I feel like the people who ask for the abandoned tag overestimate the influence of this thread on a popular patreon game like STS and underestimate how popular STS is around the world.

 

[atomicp]

Dark cookie doesn't seem to care about the game leaking the same day as the paying customers and AFAIK, paying customers don't seem to complain very much either. Remember that game is leaked by the paying customers.

IIRC, there are no paying customers. People pay to "support the dev", not the game.

 

[Count Morado]

This game used to be updated every month

Until the tech update, the average time between update releases was 2 months. The average time between for the years 2017-2021 was 2.5 months, but not uncommon to take 3-4 months. The last time the updates were as frequent as "monthly" - or quicker - on a regular basis was back when there was almost no content in 2016:

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As you can see in 2016, there was shit added for content between each of those short updates. Notice how the addition of lewd scenes and story content (rather than just simply introducing characters and locations) starts to add time to release schedules.

As for your off-topic mention of another game - that developer has almost always had long release times because that developer can't stick to their plan and promises, also it has never been "competition" for this game. I'm an active follower of both of these threads and you're comparing apples to oranges.

IIRC, there are no paying customers. People pay to "support the dev", not the game.

You RC.

 

[MisterMeh]

If people want to talk shit let them, this is a forum.

But why though? If you and everyone else is getting everything for free, why bother? The only thing you're not getting is the free stuff you want, when you want it. This reeks of immaturity.

While being a patron is "optional" now, thats only possible because of the potential and interest the game garnered early on back when this game was developed like a normal porn game, now it has reached the "milking" phase in alot of peoples eyes.
Patreon has been optional from day one and because of that, I'm having a difficult time understanding your thought process here. "Milking" as you put it, would be a scenario where the dev would paywall the game, but there's no cost whatsoever. How does your logic hold up?

Patreon has been optional from day one and because of that, I'm having a difficult time understanding your thought process here. "Milking" as you put it, would be a scenario where the dev would paywall the game and intentionally stall, but there's no cost to this game whatsoever. How does your logic hold up?

Dark Cookie shouldnt care about the game getting leaked, he is making $$$$$BANK$$$$$ off of this game now, devs only care about leaks when they dont have that steady income coming in or when they fear that they are missing out on alot of money because of detractors.

This is incredibly selfish and flawed logic all around. Darkcookie uses the money to pay the people who work for him, as well as supporting his family. How much he makes isn't yours or anyone elses' business. It's thinking like this that makes me believe that you're probably a lot younger than 16 years of age. No adult, or rational individual would be concerned with someone elses's money, based on a product that they're getting for free. Again, it comes back to people not getting what they want for free, when they want to get it.

The game is leaked by paying customers but what should be noted is the paying customer is a pirate first and foremost, the only reason they paid in the first place was to stop other people from having too, thats the whole point of this site, a community that bands together to steal content for minimal pay, why should 100 people pay 100 times when 1 person can pay 1 time for 100 people?

One person paying one time is the correct way to do things. Anything else is theft. It's not a difficult concept to understand.
A paying customer is exactly that, a paying customer. They're doing things right while others are stealing. You make it like there's some kind of moral high ground or righteousness to theft. You're not the starving masses all banding together to steal food. You're on the internet, with your pc or phones, stealing other people's work, while complaining it's not done fast enough...

Instead, why not 40-50 or even 80 people get together and throw 50 cents or a dollar in each month to pay for the game? I'm betting people won't because they'll say it's not worth their time or effort to do so. The same people who are criticizing devs for running their business the way they do.

I'll go on record to say this much. I've browsed the threads and I see some business practices that I don't agree with. I see some games have high-cost monthly fees in the range of $30-50. If I was to see a game for $30-50 and it was completed? Then sure, it's not that bad. But paying that kind of price for a half or even a third of a game is just silly. Summertime Saga isn't any of that.

lmfao that isnt "the way of life", thats the way the dev wants it. Thats the problem with fanboys or dickriders (not saying you are or arent) you guys just assume "well the dev is doing it this way so this is whats right". Thats a very naïve way of thinking. People who are "content" watching a guy doodle are pretty much losers, i dont give a damn about watching some stream. I want Elder Scrolls 6, idgaf about watching Todd Howard walk around his office and talk to the art/dev team.

But it is the way of life, and if that's how the dev wants it? then so be it. What's your alternative? Post on the forums and insult the game, then criticize the cost or the time it's taking to complete? How will that change anything? People like that are just pissing into the wind.

And saying that the people who watch the stream are losers? Or is it that the people who sit on a pirate site and complain that their free stuff isn't being made fast enough are? Really think about that. You don't care about the process, you just want your damn game, yes? Does that sound like an emotionally and mentally mature individual? I'm trying to be as polite as possible here, but you're making this waaaay too easy.

That is streamer 101 nonsense, interact with the audience, make them feel apart, develop a parasocial relationship. I went through that phase when I was 16 with Twitch Streamers, thank god I wised up quick. All I see when I read that now is a bunch of losers with nothing better to do than to try and develop relationships online, which is a terrible substitute for actual human interaction or self betterment. It isnt healthy personally or financially, a 1-sided toxic relationship.

How is interacting with the people who watch the streams losers? Again, you're on here, complaining about free stuff. Seriously, are you reading what you're typing? And again, I find it extremely difficult to believe that you're older than 16...
If you have better things to do with your life, then why are you on her complaining about a game that's not being finished fast enough? It seems to contradict the apathy you're trying to convey.

The best thing you, or anyone else can do is to just stop posting stuff like this. Sure, you're free to post whatever you want (within reason) but the time you're wasting on something you have zero control over is just silly. If you say that you're older and you wised up really quick, then why are you still here posting stuff about something you can't change? That sounds more like you're here to fill the free time you have in your daily life.

This probably sounds like I'm attacking you or anyone else who thinks like you, but I'm just saying to let it go, and to go and fill your time with other games and activities until it's finished. Because if it's as you and the others are saying, it may be several years before this game is done. Are you looking forward to wasting literally years of your lfie complaining on a pirating site? Does that sound like a person who "wised up"? A loser is someone who complains about stuff they have no control over, day after day, while hoping that their complaints will somehow change the outcome on a site that has no influence over the thing they want to change. A loser is crapping all over the game and calling the Patreons losers, the same people who supply the game and the wallpapers to the people who spit on them...
In any case, I get the feeling that I'm trying to get a point across to people with their fingers in their ears going "LALALALA, I can't hear you!" So, I'm going to end my responses on this matter.

Best of luck.

 

[BBC King]

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TLDR: You upset about other people being upset lmfao, gotcha.

 

[Erectosaurus]

Bro really typed out an entire essay claiming he isn't mad while clearly being mad.