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[Deleted member 1412183]

ok this is now the 2nd time you have quoted me without any reason and both times offer weak to no support for your point.
i however do.

the first 3 characters we meet in this VN, some months ago, were in a story(referred to in this feed as JAB) that had them as cafe owners. other members here have also pointed this out so clearly not something i dreamt up. even the developer has pointed out that some of the images have been repurposed from that same story. as this game is a brand new feed, that by default, means that the cafe-owner trio are now a dead project. hence, abandoned. if it is no longer in development then what else can it be? is that not the tag this site uses when a project is no longer in development?

how that's a lie i have no idea

just because some choose not to view it as an abandoned project does not mean that ALL do. unless the opening scenes are going to be used in 2 separate now ongoing projects, then to me one is abandoned. i see no evidence that this will not be the case

i stated 'not finishing' as anything that is not currently finished is in other words, incomplete. if it is incomplete or not yet finished then regardless of whether it is GOING to be complete it is still not finished OR a completed project.
the game you refer to as 'technically complete' does not have the completed tag. so even this site doesn't agree with you.

i can also be just as petty by pointing out that that i never 'said' anything.

you will have to offer up something a bit more solid if you want to change my opinion, unless of course that is not your intent.
if the latter is the case im happy to bow out from any and all further debates in superwriters feeds

I just want to make one more point because you keep saying that my projects are abandoned and that does not reflect good on me.

1) Hunger for Chaos was REBOOTED into JAB. That's why f95 let me use the exact same thread because the core of the game was still the same. Same plot. I just added incest. You are still going to be kidnapped by the man named Noel.

2) A LOT of stories go through different changes while they are in DEVELOPMENT. I don't think you realize that. These games are actively being created and are in no way done. you have to expect changes as we developers think of different stuff that might be better or work better.

3) And lastly, the important point is that I am actively ending my first game. That was your biggest criticism, was it not? That I have no completed games. Well, shouldn't I be given any credit for wrapping up my first game within a year and a half? Most games at the very least take two years to complete.

And there are plenty more games on this site that have been in development for three or more years.

So, no, I do not have any abandoned projects and you cannot point to any thread where I do have. You have to look at the facts and PROOF. I have 3 active games and one on hold. And you can go look look those up right now.

You cannot point to any threads where I have an abandoned game.

 

[Deleted member 1412183]

correct i cannot, not on this site. just another bubble feed and all those comments have been removed. available on many other sites such as this one.

so if just another bubble, as you point out, is a reboot of hunger for chaos then this one is a reboot of a reboot, correct?
had that info been plain to see then i would have had no reason for the abandoned comment in the first place and indeed would not have made it.



making quotes like this don't help with the clarity of your comments at all. you can see why i am so confused. this reads as though the reboot is abandoned or 'dead' as you yourself say, further implied by the removal of that feed in its entirety.
you also quote this as a new game, NOT as a reboot.

if the information was clear misunderstandings like this don't occur. although i am still somewhat confused and would imagine anyone else seeing all these posts will be as well.

and yes i agree you should indeed be given credit for completing a project in a year and a half, but as you again point out, it currently is not so i cannot at this time or even at the time i made the comment, give you credit for something that isn't.
to consider it completed, THAT would be a lie as there is no evidence to support such a claim. am i wrong?

once you have a completed project, mine and im sure many others opinions will change.

This is my last response in this conversation because I feel like we're going in circles lol

No, this is not a reboot of a reboot. All I did was take the opening scene and took two characters from JAB. The storyline is completely different. This is about vampires, which it has a brand new thread. It is a new game.

And you're getting too caught up in the semantics and wording. When I say JAB is 'dead,: I mean the current version. I AM going to restart it, and I might even use the same name. Or I might go back to Hunger for Chaos once I figure out exactly which way I want to go. And I can do that because it's the SAME game.

You say it's confusing, but then continue to disagree when I clear it up and tell you clearly nothing has been abandoned lol.

And I told you can I at least get some credit for "wrapping the game up." I have finished 1 out of the 5 routes, and the 2nd will be out within 2 weeks.

But it's fine if you don't want to take my word for it lol. I'll just keep working. Anyway, appreciate the conversation and thanks for playing.

 

[ArtKing22]

the only problem with this game is the fact that it goes straight to the point.

i think the developer needs to add a prologue so we can understand something

cause im completely lost.

 

[Ayhsel]

cause im completely lost.

That could be by design. Not all stories are told in a straight forward way.

 

[Deleted member 1412183]

the only problem with this game is the fact that it goes straight to the point.

i think the developer needs to add a prologue so we can understand something

cause im completely lost.

This is the plot

Life has been tough for you as a half vampire. First, your human mother and vampire male caretaker are killed when you're still fairly young. But it brings you closer to the human sisters Valentine and Camilla who have been your friends since you learned how to walk. Especially with the two girls losing their own mother not long after yours.

And there's also the full vampires Aditi and Najah that you're just as close with, with you having the same vampire male caretaker as them, though you obviously have different mothers with yours being human. And being full vampires, they don't exactly see eye to eye with your human best friends, but you try to keep the peace as much as possible.

Though that becomes a lot more difficult when vampires and humans alike suddenly start coming up dead. The very same way your mother and male caretaker died. Before you were young and weak, but now as a relations officer between vampires and humans, you will investigate who or what exactly is doing this and finally get your revenge.

Although the path to revenge may not be as simple as it seems

~~~~~~
But yes, as Asyhel said, this is a mystery so you're going to find out a lot as you continue to play

 

[ArtKing22]

That could be by design. Not all stories are told in a straight forward way.

i don't know......

i mean remember the game love and submission ?

and how it tells the story little by little

i think this game should be like that

you know....

they should start with a little background story like (a guy who discovers he is a half bred vampire and met his two (friend's) and now he is working as a human&vampire relation's officer..) or something like that.

just giving my opinion btw
cause i like vampire games and i think this one's gonna be great

 

[ArtKing22]

This is the plot

Life has been tough for you as a half vampire. First, your human mother and vampire male caretaker are killed when you're still fairly young. But it brings you closer to the human sisters Valentine and Camilla who have been your friends since you learned how to walk. Especially with the two girls losing their own mother not long after yours.

And there's also the full vampires Aditi and Najah that you're just as close with, with you having the same vampire male caretaker as them, though you obviously have different mothers with yours being human. And being full vampires, they don't exactly see eye to eye with your human best friends, but you try to keep the peace as much as possible.

Though that becomes a lot more difficult when vampires and humans alike suddenly start coming up dead. The very same way your mother and male caretaker died. Before you were young and weak, but now as a relations officer between vampires and humans, you will investigate who or what exactly is doing this and finally get your revenge.

Although the path to revenge may not be as simple as it seems

~~~~~~
But yes, as Asyhel said, this is a mystery so you're going to find out a lot as you continue to play

thanks for the explanation


and i hope i did not offend you

im just giving my opinion

and im pretty sure this game is going to turn out really good

i mean who doesn't like vampires lol

 

[Avaron1974]

they should start with a little background story like (a guy who discovers he is a half bred vampire

That one is easy...

He was born one.

I get you're feeling a bit rushed into it but those "this is 4 updates on how it all began" are super boring.

Besides that, some of the things that happened previously are part of the story going forward so explaining things back then would be a massive spoiler.

 

[Ayhsel]

i don't know......

i mean remember the game love and submission ?

and how it tells the story little by little

i think this game should be like that

you know....

they should start with a little background story like (a guy who discovers he is a half bred vampire and met his two (friend's) and now he is working as a human&vampire relation's officer..) or something like that.

How you tell a story matters for the effect you want to generate. So the decision the writer takes when focusing on when to start, what order to tell the events, which perspective to tell.. all these and more are decisions.

Besides the fact that we have no idea what is the story they want to tell, the slowly approach not necessarily would work. In love and submission MC had no idea he was an immortal.. is that the case here? or has he always been aware? did he learn by mistake or was he told? bla bla bla...

Long story short, give the guy the benefit of doubt. This is, after all, a first release.

 

[ArtKing22]

How you tell a story matters for the effect you want to generate. So the decision the writer takes when focusing on when to start, what order to tell the events, which perspective to tell.. all these and more are decisions.

Besides the fact that we have no idea what is the story they want to tell, the slowly approach not necessarily would work. In love and submission MC had no idea he was an immortal.. is that the case here? or has he always been aware? did he learn by mistake or was he told? bla bla bla...

Long story short, give the guy the benefit of doubt. This is, after all, a first release.

yep that's whats this thread is all about right?

i mean people gives their opinion and the devloper take notes

and decide what to do next

so there is no right's and wrong's about this.


btw when he talked to valentine first thing in the morning and she mentioned that he was a vampire
i was kinda confused and though that she was just joking and she didn't know about him
cause i thought the game would start with him not knowing that he is a half bred or that he kept it a secret
otherwise why would a sane woman sleep with a vampire on the same bed lol


but it's as you said..... first release
who knows.

 

[Avaron1974]

i mean people gives their opinion and the devloper take notes

and decide what to do next

Not really.

Most devs, especially this, already have the stories planned out. They take small idea like outfits, hairstyles etc.. but when it comes to actual story elements there are very few that change things based on player input.

Used to be more but so many games ended up cluster fucks of nonsense and too many devs tried to please everyone that games started getting abandoned by the bucket load.

Now you find more devs already have their stories all mapped out.

As far as i'm aware this dev has a lot of books out and his games are based on those.

 

[ArtKing22]

Not really.

Most devs, especially this, already have the stories planned out. They take small idea like outfits, hairstyles etc.. but when it comes to actual story elements there are very few that change things based on player input.

Used to be more but so many games ended up cluster fucks of nonsense and too many devs tried to please everyone that games started getting abandoned by the bucket load.

Now you find more devs already have their stories all mapped out.

As far as i'm aware this dev has a lot of books out and his games are based on those.

agreed

but a story can be delivered in many ways
i mean i don't think anyone would ask a developer to change the story.

but they can still ask them to add a bit more details or change the way the story is delivered

also we've seen alot of developers add some changes to their games like add some lines and some conversations
in old updates and even asks the players to start a fresh save because they made some changes.

besides .. the more he adds the better . i mean nobody likes a short story game or a game that ends in just one or 2 hours max.
or maybe its just me.. idk

but who knows... we'll see how it turns out

 

[Deleted member 1412183]

I'm

That one is easy...

He was born one.

I get you're feeling a bit rushed into it but those "this is 4 updates on how it all began" are super boring.

Besides that, some of the things that happened previously are part of the story going forward so explaining things back then would be a massive spoiler.

agreed

but a story can be delivered in many ways
i mean i don't think anyone would ask a developer to change the story.

but they can still ask them to add a bit more details or change the way the story is delivered

also we've seen alot of developers add some changes to their games like add some lines and some conversations
in old updates and even asks the players to start a fresh save because they made some changes.

besides .. the more he adds the better . i mean nobody likes a short story game or a game that ends in just one or 2 hours max.
or maybe its just me.. idk

but who knows... we'll see how it turns out

I gotta say, Avaron is right on the money lol. There's a lot that happened in the past that's going to get more clear as the story goes on. This is a mystery game. Aren't you curious to know what happens? What or who is drinking vampire blood when it shouldn't even be possible?

What's going on with the MC that he needs a serum? A war between two gangs in the vampire community broke out, is it related? Why does he have these panic attacks? And plenty of other stuff going on.

I think this would be a much more boring game if I just explained it in a prologue.

 

[ArtKing22]

I'm


I gotta say, Avaron is right on the money lol. There's a lot that happened in the past that's going to get more clear as the story goes on. This is a mystery game. Aren't you curious to know what happens? What or who is drinking vampire blood when it shouldn't even be possible?

What's going on with the MC that he needs a serum? A war between two gangs in the vampire community broke out, is it related? Why does he have these panic attacks? And plenty of other stuff going on.

I think this would be a much more boring game if I just explained it in a prologue.

well everyone's got their own taste
take me for example
i don't like to expect anything in game's
for example now you know that his two sister's devoted their souls to him (married him)
so i don't think you would get that excited to know how it happened when you already know what to expect.

not like how excited you get when you don't know what to expect
its like reading a book but starting from the last page
so where's the fun in that?

but its as i said everyone's got their own taste.

 

[Negate]

What's going on with the MC that he needs a serum? A war between two gangs in the vampire community broke out, is it related? Why does he have these panic attacks? And plenty of other stuff going on.

I just assumed you were ripping the plot of Blade

 

[Deleted member 1412183]

I just assumed you were ripping the plot of Blade

Lol I understand they are similar because of the half vampire thing, but it's a little insulting you'd think I would just 'rip' another story's idea. And a popular one at that.

I promise you the story is completely different. Same thing for the serum.

 

[Negate]

Lol I understand they are similar because of the half vampire thing, but it's a little insulting you'd think I would just 'rip' another story's idea. And a popular one at that.

I promise you the story is completely different. Same thing for the serum.

Dude, we are dealing with porn games here. You wouldn't exactly be the first Dev to lift an idea or two from other properties.

So when I say I assumed you were just ripping off blade...it wasn't meant as an insult or even a complaint.

It just that the answer to why he needs a serum seemed obvious... he uses the serum so he doesn't feed off of his childhood friends. I doubt I'm the only one that reached such a conclusion.

 

[Avaron1974]

I doubt I'm the only one that reached such a conclusion.

Nope, I thought the same thing too.

Seemed like the safest bet. Blade used a serum to hold the thirst back, MC is using a serum to hold the thirst back.

It's nice the dev has his own plans but I don't think anyone can be blamed for thinking the same thing there.

 

[Deleted member 1412183]

Dude, we are dealing with porn games here. You wouldn't exactly be the first Dev to lift an idea or two from other properties.

So when I say I assumed you were just ripping off blade...it wasn't meant as an insult or even a complaint.

It just that the answer to why he needs a serum seemed obvious... he uses the serum so he doesn't feed off of his childhood friends. I doubt I'm the only one that reached such a conclusion.

Nope, I thought the same thing too.

Seemed like the safest bet. Blade used a serum to hold the thirst back, MC is using a serum to hold the thirst back.

It's nice the dev has his own plans but I don't think anyone can be blamed for thinking the same thing there.

No, I get the part where you would think that. I took it the wrong way. When someone tells you you're blatantly copying something as a developer, "ripping off' it's usually not a good thing lol. Ripping something off is used as an insult where I come from.

But you're saying you weren't, so no problem. Been attacked a bit, so I guess I'm a little defensive -_-' Sorry about that