VN Ren'Py Completed Sunshine Love [Ch. 3 v1.01i Extras] [MrDots Games]

[Legendary101]

I know we’ve lost (or have not attracted) some people due to the growing Gander/Goose steps we’ve taken over the years. And we’ve also gained fans for that reason. Someday we won’t have to give a choice in this area because the fan base will find it is the norm.

That is interesting someone is coming out and saying it as a developer, you are essentially grooming your audience to be more accepting to certain scenarios or liking certain things. I have noticed a lot more games blending, blurring certain lines such as having the MC sharing women etc. The ever so slight blurring and the pushing of the line. But it gives insight into where you are aiming towards. At least you are honest about admitting where you are going and what you are doing.

Also if you want women to be a core focus and letting them do things you wish then just label it multiple protagonist and people will stop seeing themselves as the MC, problem solved and let them all do what they want.

But at least here I look up and see it labelled a male protagonist role and I guess it is kind of a options based game, so some people might assume I guess wrongly since you are speaking out, they are the MC and should have control over their virtual lives.

But a few label changes and a clear you are not the MC, this is a multiple protagonist game will clear that all up.

 

[DA22]

Cuckqueen was finally decided against, not because of the idea itself, which would have been very interesting, but because of the already complex weaving of different character path options, keeping Nicole in as a cuckqueen was felt by MDots as not worth the payoff.

But my issues with the complaining crowd is this, and thus is my firm non-mutable belief - what is Good for the Gander is Good for the Goose.

Every VN the MDots Works creates will have a male protagonist who will have multiple interweaving love interest paths. The female characters should be able to enjoy the same possibilities (though maybe not “multiple” for all the female characters, given the time and effort that would take).

DMD has made progress on this front in that the main love interest will have sex with at least two other men besides the MC. And these men are not written as adversaries to the MC. And the MC is not being written as having a fetish for being in a beta position. I’m not sure any other VN on f95zone is doing this, unless it is written from a female’s perspective. (If there are others, please let me know).

I don’t have a problem with people complaining about options, but when it comes to a point that we cannot support three options - it is frustrating to lose the Gander/Goose option due to the vocal complaining of some.

I know we’ve lost (or have not attracted) some people due to the growing Gander/Goose steps we’ve taken over the years. And we’ve also gained fans for that reason. Someday we won’t have to give a choice in this area because the fan base will find it is the norm.

The gander/goose norm will never be the norm though in games like these, it just goes against human nature. Now that does not mean you cannot pair off girls with other guys if MC is not interested or is forced to choose only one or two, but for many seeing sex with those girls after will still not be exciting at all. We do not play for those girls story and their sex life (if we want that we play a female protagonist game), but for the story of the MC. You know I also do not receive streams of the sex life of all my exes or friends in real life, even if I may know from quite a lot that they are in relations and are more or less happy about those. You know that immersion thingy.

NTR flamewars are not a thing for nothing, even if it is mostly more between MC centered and NPC centered players as the fetish in question, though that one has a few more drawbacks including women without a mind that cannot help but get excited and submissive while being abused. The exact opposite of a strong woman that seeks out her own partners.P

It would already help a lot though if for those pairings off of the girls you do not choose you would have at least suitable partners and not asshats or daddy 2 and daddy 3 that make no sense based upon the character as developed in question to be interested in. As with the Sis and Brody in this story, no brother who loves his Sister would want to make his Sis unhappy and having her have to end up with Brody or Lucas. You know as well as I do that the competition in games like these never comes from guys where the girl would be objectively better off as with MC , however much of an asshole the MC himself already is.

Now Nicole with Brody or the father of MC I can see, those would actually make pretty perfect pairings as they are until now in game. Just i do not need to see them having sex or knowing Nicole enjoys that a lot more.

 

[Sngo]

Cuckqueen was finally decided against, not because of the idea itself, which would have been very interesting, but because of the already complex weaving of different character path options, keeping Nicole in as a cuckqueen was felt by MDots as not worth the payoff.

But my issues with the complaining crowd is this, and thus is my firm non-mutable belief - what is Good for the Gander is Good for the Goose.

Every VN the MDots Works creates will have a male protagonist who will have multiple interweaving love interest paths. The female characters should be able to enjoy the same possibilities (though maybe not “multiple” for all the female characters, given the time and effort that would take).

DMD has made progress on this front in that the main love interest will have sex with at least two other men besides the MC. And these men are not written as adversaries to the MC. And the MC is not being written as having a fetish for being in a beta position. I’m not sure any other VN on f95zone is doing this, unless it is written from a female’s perspective. (If there are others, please let me know).

I don’t have a problem with people complaining about options, but when it comes to a point that we cannot support three options - it is frustrating to lose the Gander/Goose option due to the vocal complaining of some.

I know we’ve lost (or have not attracted) some people due to the growing Gander/Goose steps we’ve taken over the years. And we’ve also gained fans for that reason. Someday we won’t have to give a choice in this area because the fan base will find it is the norm.

Then why you told she would not sleep with other man in the open relationship?
Why the monogamous choice if we are being locked in content?
Untill this day for me at least only Kath from deliverance made me do a faithful walkthrough and Nicole isn't painted in a good way to attract that. So the only 2 option we got was locked in content or the open relationship were everything indicates that she could be going to sleep with other. Why not change the locked content option for one were people that don't want to share her and one were that could happen? That way you would had covered the 2 option with the majority of players.
I just played DMD chap 1 and a bit of chap 2 it wasn't a game that I found fun to keep playing but at least to the part of the game I reached I didn't had to share D with anyone and still could have fun with other. Melody I liked that game and didn't had to let melody sleep with other to have fun with others.
Here is the same why with that 2 option we can't have the good of both worlds? At least there you would not have all this criticism.
You know how our man mind can be and where some don't mind sharing others care about that.

Than maybe this isn't a game for me even if I love the renders but being in a open relationship where even the mc don't want or being locked isn't that good of choices.

This is just my thoughts and my way of viewing things

 

[tanstaafl]

Every VN the MDots Works creates will have a male protagonist who will have multiple interweaving love interest paths. The female characters should be able to enjoy the same possibilities (though maybe not “multiple” for all the female characters, given the time and effort that would take).

DMD has made progress on this front in that the main love interest will have sex with at least two other men besides the MC. And these men are not written as adversaries to the MC. And the MC is not being written as having a fetish for being in a beta position. I’m not sure any other VN on f95zone is doing this, unless it is written from a female’s perspective. (If there are others, please let me know).

Two questions, just so I can clarify for all games of yours in the future.
1. Does this include when the MC follows a loyal path?
2. Do you honestly think this is going to work out well in the future?

 

[Jeff Steel]

MrDots and his team: Here is our third update.
Community: WE DON'T LIKE THIS!!!!
MrDots and his team: Ok, we heard your feedback and decided to go another direction.
Community: THE DEVS ARE LAZY AND THEY SUCK!!! YOU SHOULD HAVE STUCK TO YOUR GUNS!!!
MrDots and his team: ..........

This is funny because it is true. The have a vocal number on both sides - some who disliked the lack of breakup, and some who liked the Nicole route and are upset it was was axed due to the issues of plot threads.

I have no idea who was in the majority, but as time goes by it seems fans in group one are dropping off, and fans in group two are growing in number.

 

[tanstaafl]

This is funny because it is true. The have a vocal number on both sides - some who disliked the lack of breakup, and some who liked the Nicole route and are upset it was was axed due to the issues of plot threads.

I have no idea who was in the majority, but as time goes by it seems fans in group one are dropping off, and fans in group two are growing in number.

lol, Jeff agreeing with what is quite literally the most ignorant post so far is something should have expected I guess.

And stop acting like there is no overlap between your supposed "groups".

 

[Jeff Steel]

Two questions, just so I can clarify for all games of yours in the future.
1. Does this include when the MC follows a loyal path?
2. Do you honestly think this is going to work out well in the future?

1. No, which is why we’ve been having a loyal path.
2. Yes, it has so far. I think at this,point we’ve passed the tipping point where the considerable majority of the paying fan base is either expecting or is accepting this.

 

[tanstaafl]

1. No, which is why we’ve been having a loyal path.
2. Yes, it has so far. I think at this,point we’ve passed the tipping point where the considerable majority of the paying fan base is either expecting or is accepting this.

Ok, one more question. How do you balance responding to some people with "It's a video game, the only way to accomplish certain things is with crazy logic." and "Well he does it, she should be able to do." based on logic?

 

[Jeff Steel]

Interesting that the option removed is the open-relationship, and not the long-distance monogamous path which seems doomed to fail after the open-relationship call(I doubt many people are interested in it, and it will basically have no content due to being blocked from pursuing any of the other girls, right?). Personally believe it makes more sense to do for options: 1. Disagree and break up. 2. Agree to open-relationship.

Anyway, glad to see that I can break up with her now. Not interested in a harem anyway, dating the redhead cousin is enough for me.

Shortcake is the best girl!

 

[Meridian]

I know we’ve lost (or have not attracted) some people due to the growing Gander/Goose steps we’ve taken over the years. And we’ve also gained fans for that reason. Someday we won’t have to give a choice in this area because the fan base will find it is the norm.

Good lord, if a year ago someone said that mr dots games are preparing you for unavoidable sharing scenes in their games later on the guy who said this would be facepalmed and ridiculed to oblivion for being conspiracy theorist. But now one of the dev team comes out and say it without batting an eye.

 

[Jeff Steel]

He is one of the moderators of the MrDots Discord and is in direct contact with the team that actually make the game. If anyone on this board knows what is happening with the game, it is him, and Jeff Steel but he likes to troll so take anything he says with a grain of salt.

Yes, sometimes my frustration gets the better of me.

 

[Jeff Steel]

Good lord, if a year ago someone said that mr dots games are preparing you for unavoidable sharing scenes in their games later on the guy who said this would be facepalmed and ridiculed to oblivion. But now one of the dev team comes out and say it without batting an eye.

I know. The progress that has been made in this area with our paying fan base has been amazing.

 

[Sbender99]

Victoria best girl!
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Android mega download does not patch correctly. Says something went wrong. Wont install.

 

[tanstaafl]

Ok, so now that I have it clear, here is where MrDots games stand. All of them, going forward.

Per Jeff, every single game going forward if the MC sleeps with multiple characters, then so will the primary LI. It's not NTR though, it's just so it's more fair. In a porn game. Because that's what people want in porn games. They want to form meaningful relationships with a single female love interest while tons of hot girls throw themselves at the MC so he can reject them. You know, as much like real life as possible. Because, that's why people play porn games, to have an experience as close to real life as possible.

 

[KeiNineX]

I know. The progress that has been made in this area with our paying fan base has been amazing.

Do you actually believe that if you put unavoidable sharing scene in DMD people will be cool with it? i'll admit I stoped playing DMD a while back so I don't know what it's like now but that seems kind of out of touch.

 

[Trikus]

The criticisms in this thread have been legitimate based on the information that the game itself gives us, for me Nicol is a woman dissatisfied with her partner, she is having doubts about her relationship, that is never good, she told the MC that they should take a Time and a week he proposes an open relationship, sincerely from the beginning I have thought that Nicol is cheating on the MC, that is how bad my impression of her is, this is how it is written.

I wouldn't say dissatisfied with her partner. She is frustrated though. Their relationship was a bit rocky at the start but nothing to break up over. Both were incredibly busy and they had money worries. That lead to little arguments but they still knew they loved each other. Then, he doesn't get the job and loses his. More pressure is put on her as they have a mortgage that she cannot cover alone. She also gets a ton of work to do from her law firm. He takes off to live in paradise (with her blessing) and she is stuck in perpetual rain. They promised to talk to each other everyday. He only calls her when things are going badly. He keeps forgetting to call her at night so they can enjoy some private time. The one time they manage it, she called him and he wasn't ready for their date. So yeah, after a week and a half, she starts getting frustrated. She is only human. She handles a divorce case where the woman says she wishes she tried a break to see if that would save her marriage. She decides they should take a break. Her sister convinces her to offer an open relationship. Nicole isn't a bad character or a bad person. She is just going through a lot. There is no evidence at all that she was seeing anyone other than the MC up until now either. Even when she was ready to call a break on her relationship she turned a guy down.

BTW, that break up is going to be super awkward, since MC still has to contribute to the mortgage.

 

[Jeff Steel]

Ok, one more question. How do you balance responding to some people with "It's a video game, the only way to accomplish certain things is with crazy logic." and "Well he does it, she should be able to do." based on logic?

See 3,242 above.

 

[TungstenDuck]

**inhales deeply**
BAAAHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

 

[Jeff Steel]

Do you actually believe that if you put unavoidable sharing scene in DMD people will be cool with it? i'll admit I stoped playing DMD a while back so I don't know what it's like now but that seems kind of out of touch.

Well, as of right now we are not doing that, and we have not done that because we’ve always given a choice.

 

[Jeff Steel]

I wouldn't say dissatisfied with her partner. She is frustrated though. Their relationship was a bit rocky at the start but nothing to break up over. Both were incredibly busy and they had money worries. That lead to little arguments but they still knew they loved each other. Then, he doesn't get the job and loses his. More pressure is put on her as they have a mortgage that she cannot cover alone. She also gets a ton of work to do from her law firm. He takes off to live in paradise (with her blessing) and she is stuck in perpetual rain. They promised to talk to each other everyday. He only calls her when things are going badly. He keeps forgetting to call her at night so they can enjoy some private time. The one time they manage it, she called him and he wasn't ready for their date. So yeah, after a week and a half, she starts getting frustrated. She is only human. She handles a divorce case where the woman says she wishes she tried a break to see if that would save her marriage. She decides they should take a break. Her sister convinces her to offer an open relationship. Nicole isn't a bad character or a bad person. She is just going through a lot. There is no evidence at all that she was seeing anyone other than the MC up until now either. Even when she was ready to call a break on her relationship she turned a guy down.

BTW, that break up is going to be super awkward, since MC still has to contribute to the mortgage.

Word!