VN Ren'Py Completed Sunshine Love [Ch. 3 v1.01i Extras] [MrDots Games]

[Pica-bu]

Sure, why not? In fact, let's start introducing warnings for a lot of things that WON'T happen.

I suggest including here: "THIS CHOICE WILL NOT LEAD TO A POST WORLD WAR III ZOMBIE ATTACK SCENARIO"

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You never know

 

[tanstaafl]

You never know

Acting Lessons actually did a thing where when you made a choice it would flash "She will remember this." or "This will have consequences." at the top of the screen. It was a feature that was able to be turned off and on.

Not a bad idea.

 

[Avaron1974]

Sure, why not? In fact, let's start introducing warnings for a lot of things that WON'T happen.

I suggest including here: "THIS CHOICE WILL NOT LEAD TO A POST WORLD WAR III ZOMBIE ATTACK SCENARIO"

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So what you are saying is, the MC is going to get cucked by zombies.

 

[Dragon59]

But my issues with the complaining crowd is this, and thus is my firm non-mutable belief - what is Good for the Gander is Good for the Goose.

This has been my belief as well. I find the double standard a bit annoying.

Every VN the MDots Works creates will have a male protagonist who will have multiple interweaving love interest paths. The female characters should be able to enjoy the same possibilities (though maybe not “multiple” for all the female characters, given the time and effort that would take).

DMD has made progress on this front in that the main love interest will have sex with at least two other men besides the MC. And these men are not written as adversaries to the MC. And the MC is not being written as having a fetish for being in a beta position. I’m not sure any other VN on f95zone is doing this, unless it is written from a female’s perspective. (If there are others, please let me know).

I'm not aware of any. It would be refreshing to have a VN game where the protagonist identifies as polyamorous. The challenge would be to find the love interests who have no problem with that without wasting resources pursuing monogamous women. I can see the game challenge would be to decide when to identify as polyamorous--some women might be on the edge and if told too soon, would reject, but if told after seeing that the MC is not a creep (another problem with many of these games), the woman might feel led on or might find that they are open to honest, ethical non-monogamy.

I don’t have a problem with people complaining about options, but when it comes to a point that we cannot support three options - it is frustrating to lose the Gander/Goose option due to the vocal complaining of some.

I know we’ve lost (or have not attracted) some people due to the growing Gander/Goose steps we’ve taken over the years. And we’ve also gained fans for that reason. Someday we won’t have to give a choice in this area because the fan base will find it is the norm.

Yeah, it feels like the "Cuck trigger" is so ingrained in some it gets in the way of any Gander/Goose considerations. I'm glad to see any progress in undermining the double standard.

 

[DickoNicko]

Sure, why not? In fact, let's start introducing warnings for a lot of things that WON'T happen.

I suggest including here: "THIS CHOICE WILL NOT LEAD TO A POST WORLD WAR III ZOMBIE ATTACK SCENARIO"

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Well, if I remember sister was thinking "why MC chose Ivy?" I think she didn't think about that when I choose Lily, so I don't know about zombies, but I felt I was walking on thin ice there...

 

[Ayhsel]

So what you are saying is, the MC is going to get cucked by zombies.

What I am saying is that it would be a good idea to keep being reminded that that will not happen. I know somebody awakes at night screaming afraid their Avatar in an adult VN will have to see such an atrocity. It's good to give them some peace of mind!

 

[sergesan]

now i played till mc gets the call from nicole ,with the shitty idea of open relationship....if you had this path planned why cant i break up with nicole?? in the whole story was no point of any erotic and now you come up with this kind of story...if you wrote it from beginning i would never have play this s....you have now 2 ways :say no and you will never have sex but nicole will somehow...or you say yes and your girlfriend will fuck every guy in the city....are this our options?? i dont get your story anymore-at the end MC is cheated and the loser...im sure you say yes to her idea but break up at the end...or who wants a girlfriend to marry later who fucked the whole city....sorry , i was disapointed of the whole story flow until now....the story for itself may be good for a holiday book but not as adultVN,there happens nothing but idle talk..but now there is a hughe pile of shit ....whatever next disapointing story....please next time tag it at the beginning of the story so i can decide if i want to get fucked or not....dont need to reply...done is done

 

[Ysbald]

return to another topic. I really enjoyed this update. In particular the passages with Shortcake. Yuki is also much less shy in her seaplane than in a bikini . The next event may give the MC and Sis a lot of work but it will be worth it especially against the broddy's father

 

[Dragon59]

The gander/goose norm will never be the norm though in games like these, it just goes against human nature. Now that does not mean you cannot pair off girls with other guys if MC is not interested or is forced to choose only one or two, but for many seeing sex with those girls after will still not be exciting at all. We do not play for those girls story and their sex life (if we want that we play a female protagonist game), but for the story of the MC. You know I also do not receive streams of the sex life of all my exes or friends in real life, even if I may know from quite a lot that they are in relations and are more or less happy about those. You know that immersion thingy.

Yes, selfishness, jealousy, hypocrisy, and self-centeredness can be a part of human nature, but it is all there is? What about compassion, understanding, a belief in equality? I've lived all my adult life identifying as polyamorous, so I perhaps see things from another perspective. For many of us, knowing that our partners have the freedom to choose, the freedom to explore, increases the connection as equals. For us, gander/goose is the norm.

NTR flamewars are not a thing for nothing, even if it is mostly more between MC centered and NPC centered players as the fetish in question, though that one has a few more drawbacks including women without a mind that cannot help but get excited and submissive while being abused. The exact opposite of a strong woman that seeks out her own partners.P

It seems that a vocal contingent are triggered by the possibility of "their women" exploring as much as they are. From my perspective, this cuck-phobia is just that, a fear. It takes a certain commitment and confidence to engage in ethical non-monogamy, a trust in the process and one's partner(s). Referencing my polyamory, my father once told me that the very thought of another man touching his wife made him sick to his stomach and he saw that as an indication of his love. At least he was monogamous as well, holding himself to the same standard.

 

[Dragon59]

now i played till mc gets the call from nicole ,with the shitty idea of open relationship....if you had this path planned why cant i break up with nicole?? in the whole story was no point of any erotic and now you come up with this kind of story...if you wrote it from beginning i would never have play this s....you have now 2 ways :say no and you will never have sex but nicole will somehow...or you say yes and your girlfriend will fuck every guy in the city....are this our options?? i dont get your story anymore-at the end MC is cheated and the loser...im sure you say yes to her idea but break up at the end...or who wants a girlfriend to marry later who fucked the whole city....sorry , i was disapointed of the whole story flow until now....the story for itself may be good for a holiday book but not as adultVN,there happens nothing but idle talk..but now there is a hughe pile of shit ....whatever next disapointing story....please next time tag it at the beginning of the story so i can decide if i want to get fucked or not....dont need to reply...done is done

There seems to be a lot of projection there.

 

[Dragon59]

And some of you have built up this whole narrative where she's the one that's having a bad time and everything is unfair to her. The one good part of the writing of this game so far is that neither one of them is perfect. He has issues, she has issues. She even wondered herself if she is too controlling (the answer is yes). And she puts forth an option that the vast majority of men IRL would puke at. I know I'm not the only married guy in this thread. All you other married guys chime in real quick, how many of you would be happy if your wife wanted an open relationship and how many would not be? I'm sure there will be some on both sides.

I'd be fine with it. I can be in a monogamous relationship, but I find I'm better when the relationship is polyamorous.

 

[Avaron1974]

now i played till mc gets the call from nicole ,with the shitty idea of open relationship....if you had this path planned why cant i break up with nicole?? in the whole story was no point of any erotic and now you come up with this kind of story...if you wrote it from beginning i would never have play this s....you have now 2 ways :say no and you will never have sex but nicole will somehow...or you say yes and your girlfriend will fuck every guy in the city....are this our options?? i dont get your story anymore-at the end MC is cheated and the loser...im sure you say yes to her idea but break up at the end...or who wants a girlfriend to marry later who fucked the whole city....sorry , i was disapointed of the whole story flow until now....the story for itself may be good for a holiday book but not as adultVN,there happens nothing but idle talk..but now there is a hughe pile of shit ....whatever next disapointing story....please next time tag it at the beginning of the story so i can decide if i want to get fucked or not....dont need to reply...done is done

You seem to be inventing a lot of narrative that isn't going to happen and have ignored everything everyone has said.

They are removing the option next update and he will break up with her instead.

Ignoring that for a second, how would the Mc be a loser?

He too is going to cheat on her so what is your point?

He is allowed to fuck whoever he wants but she can't?

Bit hypocritical that.

 

[Mpkstroff]

Sorry for my bad reading comprehension, but... in the end MrDots will keep his vision of the game or not?

Btw, love the game. Didn't like the no break up choice, but I think "well, dev may habe a plan..." and now it seems that it was a disposable plan...

 

[tanstaafl]

Sorry for my bad reading comprehension, but... in the end MrDots will keep his vision of the game or not?

Btw, love the game. Didn't like the no break up choice, but I think "well, dev may habe a plan..." and now it seems that it was a disposable plan...

As it stands, their original plan is gone and the new one is in place moving forward.

 

[Avaron1974]

Sorry for my bad reading comprehension, but... in the end MrDots will keep his vision of the game or not?

Btw, love the game. Didn't like the no break up choice, but I think "well, dev may habe a plan..." and now it seems that it was a disposable plan...

Plans have changed.

Next update will have option to stay faithful or break up with her.

Turns out she was never going to have sex with anyone else. She was going to get off hearing the MC's stories with other women but those plans are now axed and it's either stay together or break up, cuck queen (where the woman enjoys her man sleeping with other women) plans have been cancelled.

 

[Meridian]

Yes, selfishness, jealousy, hypocrisy, and self-centeredness can be a part of human nature, but it is all there is? What about compassion, understanding, a belief in equality? I've lived all my adult life identifying as polyamorous, so I perhaps see things from another perspective. For many of us, knowing that our partners have the freedom to choose, the freedom to explore, increases the connection as equals. For us, gander/goose is the norm.


It seems that a vocal contingent are triggered by the possibility of "their women" exploring as much as they are. From my perspective, this cuck-phobia is just that, a fear. It takes a certain commitment and confidence to engage in ethical non-monogamy, a trust in the process and one's partner(s). Referencing my polyamory, my father once told me that the very thought of another man touching his wife made him sick to his stomach and he saw that as an indication of his love. At least he was monogamous as well, holding himself to the same standard.

Why would you draw parallels between real life and porn games for this topic? These type of games are mostly made for men by men to live out their sexual fantasies. For most dudes seeing girls they like have sex with other guy is not a sexual fantasy but something unpleasant hence they dont want such content in games. Calling them selfish, self-centered, hypocrits for this is idiotic. For gods sake this is a video game, these women are not real, the only real thing here is emotions of the players.

 

[DA22]

Yes, selfishness, jealousy, hypocrisy, and self-centeredness can be a part of human nature, but it is all there is? What about compassion, understanding, a belief in equality? I've lived all my adult life identifying as polyamorous, so I perhaps see things from another perspective. For many of us, knowing that our partners have the freedom to choose, the freedom to explore, increases the connection as equals. For us, gander/goose is the norm.


It seems that a vocal contingent are triggered by the possibility of "their women" exploring as much as they are. From my perspective, this cuck-phobia is just that, a fear. It takes a certain commitment and confidence to engage in ethical non-monogamy, a trust in the process and one's partner(s). Referencing my polyamory, my father once told me that the very thought of another man touching his wife made him sick to his stomach and he saw that as an indication of his love. At least he was monogamous as well, holding himself to the same standard.

Remember though that games like these are on purpose designed to let MC roam around a bit, since else you would run into 4 or 5 updates without any sex if your LI is not part of the updates.

Polyamory or open relations in real life is something though that both parties must endorse wholeheartedly and set down the ground rules together based upon their needs and tolerances or it becomes anything but geese and gander being equal. Still even if in an open relationship that does not mean I want to see a stream of my GF having fun without me there or she of me while I do. Nor does it excites me in a game to see NPC's having sex without MC.

 

[DeadLasT]

Remember though that games like these are on purpose designed to let MC roam around a bit, since else you would run into 4 or 5 updates without any sex if your LI is not part of the updates.

Polyamory or open relations in real life is something though that both parties must endorse wholeheartedly and set down the ground rules together based upon their needs and tolerances or it becomes anything but geese and gander being equal. Still even if in an open relationship that does not mean I want to see a stream of my GF having fun without me there or she of me while I do. Nor does it excites me in a game to see NPC's having sex without MC.

Unless you are sneaky... become a ninja... Or just dominate them all and join the dark side...

 

[DA22]

You seem to be inventing a lot of narrative that isn't going to happen and have ignored everything everyone has said.

They are removing the option next update and he will break up with her instead.

Ignoring that for a second, how would the Mc be a loser?

He too is going to cheat on her so what is your point?

He is allowed to fuck whoever he wants but she can't?

Bit hypocritical that.

If that is hypocrite then complain to the team they added 8 or more female characters and they cannot make sex scenes for every one of them in every update. MC roaming around is a design choice or you will have no sex till update whatever high number you want if go for the wrong woman. If want to see a female fucking around, for that there are female protag games in the end instead of male protags.

To me I am glad I can finally break up with Nicole, since I see that relation as toxic to MC due to his own past and their interactions. Now whose fault that is does not matter and I hope Nicole gets happy with MC's father as long as I do not have to see it though he will likely cheat on her as well.

Besides it is not like there are no games around at all with a cuckquean in male protagonist games. So it is not really unique or never done before.

 

[tanstaafl]

Plans have changed.

Next update will have option to stay faithful or break up with her.

Turns out she was never going to have sex with anyone else. She was going to get off hearing the MC's stories with other women but those plans are now axed and it's either stay together or break up, cuck queen (where the woman enjoys her man sleeping with other women) plans have been cancelled.

Actually, Jeff admitted that he proposed that, but it was not approved by the team. So that was never going to happen regardless of changes.