VN Ren'Py Completed Sunshine Love [Ch. 3 v1.01i Extras] [MrDots Games]

[Glooskabe]

I actually welcomed the open relationship option.

I liked it in principal, but not how and when it was offered. Not enough time to properly talk it out. Nicole dictating rules rather than negotiating them. Did she explain where the idea came from? Don't even remember...

IMO best option would have been "Let's talk about this tomorrow after we've had some time to think about it ." which would have had to move the Victoria scene to the next update, but then it wasn't finished yet so that wouldn't have been a huge loss. Nobody gives a dick what I think though.

What I'm pretty sure happened from reading the threads here and on the Discord plus MrDots' announcement:
1) Fans clamored for a break up now option. (The water got really muddy, but this was the crux of the uproar, at least at the beginning.)
2) Since the cuckquean storyline had been axed, there was no narrative need for the open relationship path anymore. (I think this might have shown some lack of imagination, but them's breaks!)
3) MrDots, with the need for a timely decision, took the path of least resistance and subbed break up for open relationship.

For what it's worth, I actually messaged the lead writer with a suggestion of how to salvage the situation which seemed to be received with some interest. It's not likely to be reversed again though is the impression I got.

 

[TungstenDuck]

Gee, I wonder who thought it was a good idea for the main LI to have a boyfriend at the start of this story. There is no choice to avoid this.
I wonder who's idea it was to have the main LI ditch your dinner date to go get drunk with her rich boyfriend while she leaves you with a sink full of frozen hot dogs. Frozen wieners. Tell me that's not a cuckold metaphor with a straight face. No choice given there either.
I wonder who's idea it was for your long term gf to tell you flatly she wants extracurricular cock and your only options are to beg her pls no or submit. Again, nice choices.

I dunno who's responsible here but its fucking cancer for a fantasy porn game. Hopefully this makes it to Dot's ears but I'm not optimistic. I'm sure this would all get you a fantastic grade on a women's studies paper but literally no one can fap to that. Even most women are disgusted by cucks.

And look, is it any wonder that this shit is so explosive? You can be into some deep, weird fetishes and still revile NTR because its not really about extreme taboo or bizarre acts. Getting pissed on, tied up and beaten even literal cock and ball torture is preferable to most because those things are no where fucking near the existential affront and insult that is cuckoldry. The only step up in masochism from cuckoldry is murder. Dudes would probably rather get raped themselves than watch their woman fuck another man. So when you get anywhere near it, give the slightest hint of it or give off any cuckoldry vibes in what is supposed to be an enjoyable masturbatory fantasy you run people's boners right into the ground. But I'm sure this is known. .and its being done anyway because someone can't leave their fucking ideology at home.

 

[Dragon59]

return to another topic. I really enjoyed this update. In particular the passages with Shortcake. Yuki is also much less shy in her seaplane than in a bikini . The next event may give the MC and Sis a lot of work but it will be worth it especially against the broddy's father

Yes, the seaplane sequence has driven me to consider the Yuki scooter path to be better than the Ashley one. Ashley doesn't need extra relationship points.

 

[Dragon59]

I liked it in principal, but not how and when it was offered. Not enough time to properly talk it out. Nicole dictating rules rather than negotiating them. Did she explain where the idea came from? Don't even remember...

IMO best option would have been "Let's talk about this tomorrow after we've had some time to think about it ." which would have had to move the Victoria scene to the next update, but then it wasn't finished yet so that wouldn't have been a huge loss.

Agreed. It is a topic that usually requires lots of time to process.

Nobody gives a dick what I think though.

Shhh! Don't talk about extra dicks in the game. Are you asking for trouble?

For what it's worth, I actually messaged the lead writer with a suggestion of how to salvage the situation which seemed to be received with some interest. It's not likely to be reversed again though is the impression I got.

Nice!

 

[Irgendwie Irgendwo]

No sexual with mom?

MC's mom is dead.

 

[Dragon59]

And look, is it any wonder that this shit is so explosive? You can be into some deep, weird fetishes and still revile NTR because its not really about extreme taboo or bizarre acts. Getting pissed on, tied up and beaten even literal cock and ball torture is preferable to most because those things are no where fucking near the existential affront and insult that is cuckoldry. The only step up in masochism from cuckoldry is murder. Dudes would probably rather get raped themselves than watch their woman fuck another man. So when you get anywhere near it, give the slightest hint of it or give off any cuckoldry vibes in what is supposed to be an enjoyable masturbatory fantasy you run people's boners right into the ground. But I'm sure this is known. .and its being done anyway because someone can't leave their fucking ideology at home.

LOL

 

[Dragon59]

And u realize this was the outcome of the Mc agreeing to the open relationship he never wanted, only agreed because it seems importent to Nicole, all other girls seems rather shocked asking him if that is ok with him, which he is obviously not, the result was he got drunk and got some stress relief (which is optional by the way)...that is actual quite a realstic outcome after ur gf offers this kind of suggestion out of the blue.

Yes, but I was responding to the statement (by someone who, it turns out, is not playing the game), that Nicole would have lots of lewds before the MC got a chance to even cop a feel.

 

[tanstaafl]

Did the MC ever state a desire to go to law school? I remember he did not want to go into the Navy but I got the impression that he went to law school because that is what Nicole was doing.

The city thing is true if the MC did have a dream to be a lawyer for one of the top law firms.

EDIT: Isn't there a scene showing that Gerald more or less got off the MC's back about joining the Navy once MC told his dad that he was going to be a laywer?

There are at least two places in the game where the MC admits to himself that he went to law school for her instead of himself.

 

[Dragon59]

No sexual with mom?

MC's mom is dead.

They ruled out NTR, rape, and bestiality. No mention of necrophilia.

 

[Caveman03]

Does anyone one have a save from the end of episode 2? when i downloaded and transferred the file for episode 3 for some reason all of my saves got deleted.

 

[Darkaura]

I have almost same fun with guys like him, claiming that they are playing each Mr.Dots game since the beginning.
Really easy to unmask them with a question or two.

Except that I have made it clear that I have no intention of touching SL, after playing the first installment and saw it to be a giant pile of junk story-wise (though the renders are gorgeous).

Case in point: MC is headed to a new life, in a new town, surrounded by a bevy of beautiful women to romance and do lewds with. BUT MC is stuck with a boat-anchor long distance girlfriend. WTF kind of annoying premise is that for an adult game/VN? And I picked up on this train-wreck of a "plot" element from episode 1, but the devs are surprised that this "story" is problematic for pretty much everyone who just wants a fun game of MC wooing and seducing whichever hottie is their preferred Wifu?

At least in Melody you get to dump the old flame at the start, and in DMD (F) is mostly single and you can opt out of Georgina.

But again, I'm just here to yuck it up at the salt and lost patrons over an easily avoidable terrible story decision, and I say that as a MrDots Patron/Subscriber forever, solely for DMD, so I have no horse in this race. I gave SL a shot and it just not for me. To messy, too contrived and too many pixel hunts.

I'll rip the renders when it's done.

 

[humanstickobserver]

Got to the point where you look over the paperwork, and then have the choice:
Figure it out
or
Leave town

Curious, I saved my game, and tried "leave town."

I'm very disappointed.
You say why you plan to leave, she begs, you agree to stay, so the game can still happen.
One near constant in all of these kinds of games is that the MC is a pushover who lets things happen to him.

I understand the entire plot of the game is "you went to your long lost half sister, and stayed and helped." I understand that leaving negates the entire story, and ends it.
The choice still matters.
You should be able to leave, even if it ends to a game over scenario.
"Explaining how being lied to and manipulated shattered your trust in her, and how your financial livelihood and your long term relationship was throw into turmoil by moving down there for a job that didn't exist, MC grabbed his shit and went home."
Then, depending on relationship stats with GF (there really should be some), you get one of two post games: one where your relationship falls apart, and one where you manage to scrape by, fix things, start the new job, and you two end up happy.

No sex scenes, no... rewards for choosing this path. But at least it would be there. If choice is supposed to matter, and the MC is as conflicted as he is, making the choice to leave, even if it cripples and ends the story, still is important, because it gives players control over the MC's choices.

 

[jack_daniels_]

Where can I find the invite for discord?

 

[Lederzar]

Where can I find the invite for discord?

jack_daniels_ Go here and the invitation is at the bottom of the page

You must be registered to see the links

 

[Siphon]

Cuckqueen was finally decided against, not because of the idea itself, which would have been very interesting, but because of the already complex weaving of different character path options, keeping Nicole in as a cuckqueen was felt by MDots as not worth the payoff.

I just wanna take a moment to laugh at this whole thing, the entire 'WELL ACKSHUALLY IT WAS A CUCKQUEAN ROUTE' thing you and Hyperserver were spouting wasn't even official in any way. Your repeated assertions that swinging isn't NTR is technically correct, but let's be honest a bunch of people jacking it to porn games aren't the most logical thinkers in the first place so the idea you'll get past it without shitstorms is...pointlessly optimistic.

Also seeing Hyperserver saying "well people have been wanting non-vanilla forever so here you go" is pretty funny, 99% sure he's the dude who threw a complete bitchfit when people kept begging for the bestiality content in DMD.

Those that hate her so much, why would you care what she does when you agree to her deal?

Waste of resources honestly, time could be better spent fixing the robotic writing everywhere else or rendering shit. Considering we just got a rushed update (a lot of people have mentioned the Victoria scene was rushed and will be expanded later), this feels relevant.

 

[Avaron1974]

I just wanna take a moment to laugh at this whole thing, the entire 'WELL ACKSHUALLY IT WAS A CUCKQUEAN ROUTE' thing you and Hyperserver were spouting wasn't even official in any way.

Yeah, what would Jeff know, he only works on the game.......

Well said. I imagined a growth path for Nicole where she saw that micromanaging her partner was not the way to have a healthy relationship. A casual relationship would give her the space to let go of some of those fears.

I'm going to ask you the same question i've asked everyone else yet no one has been able to answer.

When did she micromanage his life?

The one and only thing she needed from him and got shitty about was him finding a job and that was because they are having financial problems and her wage alone won't cover the mortgage. Anyone would have acted the same.

He got fired from his law firm and she put herself on the line to get him a job at the law firm she works at with the only problem being it doesn't start until the end of summer.

The only thing she needed him to do was find a summer job and he was sat in his shorts watching tv.

The only reason she told him helping his sister would be a good idea was because she was tired of the arguing they had been doing for weeks and thought a bit of space would give them time to calm down.

She absolutely loves him and was terrified he'd find someone else when he started telling her about the people he met. That was when Georgina suggested she find someone else.

The open relationship came from a client she was working with who said an open relationship might have saved her marriage.

So with her stree from the financial troubles, being alone and overworked, worried about losing the man she loves and her sister giving her shit advice she tries a desperate tactic to try and salvage things to keep hold of her man.

Yet somewhere in all that some of you have made her an overpowering control freak who doesn't care and wants to fuck anyone that moves while being the absolute worst girlfriend ever.

All that from stuff that never happens.

It's fine to dislike a character but the lengths people are going to imagine stuff that didn't even happen because "burn the bitch" seems to be the mantra of the week.

 

[Siphon]

Yeah, what would Jeff know, he only works on the game.......

Legitimate question, no insult intended. Are you blind? The post by Jeff I literally quoted in response to that outright says the cuckquean route was not officially planned in any way, just a suggestion that was ultimately shot down by Mr. Dots.

 

[yudas51]

Waste of resources honestly, time could be better spent fixing the robotic writing everywhere else or rendering shit. Considering we just got a rushed update (a lot of people have mentioned the Victoria scene was rushed and will be expanded later), this feels relevant.

that's actually not what happened. The player got blueballed when the scene should have played and thought "wtf? Did mr dots really skip a sexscene?" Only to get it like 5 minutes later. It wasn't rushed development but more like mrdots trolling us.

Quick question: Did I misread the initial chapter about restoring the hotel or was the game planned to be more open world than the "chose who to call/visit first" that we already got?

 

[KeiNineX]

Yeah, what would Jeff know, he only works on the game.......



I'm going to ask you the same question i've asked everyone else yet no one has been able to answer.

When did she micromanage his life?

The one and only thing she needed from him and got shitty about was him finding a job and that was because they are having financial problems and her wage alone won't cover the mortgage. Anyone would have acted the same.

He got fired from his law firm and she put herself on the line to get him a job at the law firm she works at with the only problem being it doesn't start until the end of summer.

The only thing she needed him to do was find a summer job and he was sat in his shorts watching tv.

The only reason she told him helping his sister would be a good idea was because she was tired of the arguing they had been doing for weeks and thought a bit of space would give them time to calm down.

She absolutely loves him and was terrified he'd find someone else when he started telling her about the people he met. That was when Georgina suggested she find someone else.

The open relationship came from a client she was working with who said an open relationship might have saved her marriage.

So with her stree from the financial troubles, being alone and overworked, worried about losing the man she loves and her sister giving her shit advice she tries a desperate tactic to try and salvage things to keep hold of her man.

Yet somewhere in all that some of you have made her an overpowering control freak who doesn't care and wants to fuck anyone that moves while being the absolute worst girlfriend ever.

All that from stuff that never happens.

It's fine to dislike a character but the lengths people are going to imagine stuff that didn't even happen because "burn the bitch" seems to be the mantra of the week.

I don't understand how you can be so ignorant. You are acting like majority (i don't think it's unfair to call it majority) of players just decided "Wouldn't it be fun to dislike this character for no reason, yea let's do that". I said many times why people might not like her (I am not talking about everyone). i understand why someone can like her but for some reason you can't seem to understand why someone can dislike her.

I don't see why you keep stressing that he was sitting in his boxers. Who cares what he was wearing. And he did try to find a job but he couldn't on a short notice. So maybe he could have been just starring at the wall if it's bothering you that he was watching tv, I guess that would make more sense.

"She absolutely loves him and is terrified he would find someone else" and "her" brilliant idea is to suggest open relationship. Makes sense. I get she is desperate but this is not the way to go about it.

You like her and that's fine but don't try to create this narrative hat everyone who dislikes her is playing a different game than you and doesn't pay attention to the story because she is this great girlfriend and how can someone dislike her.

Also, I said many times that I am not saying that the situation has been easy on her but it hasn't been easy on the MC either.

And btw I don't think she micromanaged his life so I guess that question will still be unanswered.

 

[Real Kreten]

I don't understand how you can be so ignorant. You are acting like majority (i don't think it's unfair to call it majority) of players just decided "Wouldn't it be fun to dislike this character for no reason, yea let's do that". I said many times why people might not like her (I am not talking about everyone). i understand why someone can like her but for some reason you can't seem to understand why someone can dislike her.

I don't see why you keep stressing that he was sitting in his boxers. Who cares what he was wearing. And he did try to find a job but he couldn't on a short notice. So maybe he could have been just starring at the wall if it's bothering you that he was watching tv, I guess that would make more sense.

"She absolutely loves him and is terrified he would find someone else" and "her" brilliant idea is to suggest open relationship. Makes sense. I get she is desperate but this is not the way to go about it.

You like her and that's fine but don't try to create this narrative hat everyone who dislikes her is playing a different game than you and doesn't pay attention to the story because she is this great girlfriend and how can someone dislike her.

Also, I said many times that I am not saying that the situation has been easy on her but it hasn't been easy on the MC either.

And btw I don't think she micromanaged his life so I guess that question will still be unanswered.

You are very wrong.

The thread is full of posts that portray Nicole as a cock hungry slut who thinks only of herself. These posts are in direct conflict with Nicole's inner monologue in Mrdots' game.
@ Avaron1974 's conclusion that these people play their own version of the game is so quite correct.