VN Ren'Py Completed Sunshine Love [Ch. 3 v1.01i Extras] [MrDots Games]

[Saraf]

This. MC, the lawyer's reactions and justifications for choices remain a meme. Parody tag, when?

To be fair,he has become a lot more of an active paticipent in the rewrite.
Before he barely got a word out while the twins tried to incoherently(and hilariously) justify the whole mess.

Still think making choice for the characters is one of the worst copeout way out of the writing dead end they got themselves in. I don't want to be the one to chose how characters react to my choices, I want you the writer to do so, in a coherent and in line with characters set personalities. The 'relationships' still go from 2 to 11 and makes characters look worse going out than going in the storyline.

Agreed but we are obviously past the point of good writing and in the salvage stage.
Putting a choice on a third party in a pov narrative is indeed simply bad writing but there isnt all that much they could do at this point.
People have brought up a Love Point solution but lets be honest,that would just result in an even bigger outcry.

I agree, i also dislike that.
But did you play DmD or Melody ? IIRC you can't get any threesome scenes, or relationships with more than 1 LI, without them going bi or getting romantically involved with each other if they are full LI's...
I already dread how their harem game will play out, if you are not into lesbian content...

Considering that the absolute majority of "harem" VNs(even more so if you include official japanese products)are MC centric and utilize the traditional harem setup,MrDots reliance on an actual emotial connection between the different members does give the games a rare quality.
Yes it makes them somewhat more predictable but honestly thats still better than another story where the different members barely know eachothers names.

What exactly is the Netorare in this??

By the common definition?
Nothing.
By the F95 definition?
Everything thats normally just considered cheating.

 

[cxx]

Putting a choice on a third party in a pov narrative is indeed simply bad writing but there isnt all that much they could do at this point.

had to cause some didn't like it.

 

[Fastbuck]

that they did since they changed mind that they both want mc.

they only had to talk to him I don't think he would decline one twin but it isn't written like that and so be it I don't think mc or the twins shed a tear about the end of the casual relationship

 

[cxx]

they only had to talk to him I don't think he would decline one twin but it isn't written like that and so be it I don't think mc or the twins shed a tear about the end of the casual relationship

well no but at least will have some good memories. also could have ended twins path several updates ago so their revelation of escorting wouldn't been cheating.

 

[NebulousShooter]

had to cause some didn't like it.

Have the scene play out without the player seeing it (button prompt) and 'fix' the situation in the next update, even if it means giving the player the options to drop both of them. There is nothing else they can do, Pandora's Box has been opened.

 

[cxx]

Have the scene play out without the player seeing it (button prompt) and 'fix' the situation in the next update, even if it means giving the player the options to drop both of them. There is nothing else they can do, Pandora's Box has been opened.

that would work except on purists.

 

[NebulousShooter]

that would work except on purists.

The player making the choice for the sister still doesn't work on purists. If the option is there, that means the character is capable of performing that action, so the character gets judged the same.
How many 'purists' do you know that play a NTR game with avoidable content? Not that many I bet, because the simple existence of it in that story is enough to turn them off.

I don't play a AVN for kinks, I also don't mind any particular tag and I also like hot girls kissing each other. You see, I should have been the target audience for this update and yet I am not. Because it damages characters and story and thats one of the main reasons I chose to continue to play a game, rather than drop it.

 

[cxx]

The player making the choice for the sister still doesn't work on purists. If the option is there, that means the character is capable of performing that action, so the character gets judged the same.
How many 'purists' do you know that play a NTR game with avoidable content? Not that many I bet, because the simple existence of it in that story is enough to turn them off.

based on "some" posts i've seen some play just to whine about ntr etc.

 

[KeiNineX]

This situation is actually hilarious. The dev admitted that he made a mistake by adding ntr, some people didn't think it was ntr casue it was consensual, some people did bla bla, the regular stuff on this forum, tbf I was kinda in the middle but at that point, dmd was such a shit show that it didn't even matter. And now out of nowhere he adds ntr into this game and everybody is surprised that people are not happy. Clearly the dev or the writer or whoever is making decisons regarding this thing is either not very intelligent or straight up just willfully ignorant.

And yes, in this case, it is 100% ntr, it is not even an opinion, that is just a fact. And you can try to spin it however you like with the "it's a girl so it doesn't count" and "they will end up in a threeway" but let's be real trying to make an argument that the main girl cheating on MC behind his back is not ntr is just gonna fall flat because it's completely nonsensical.

TLDR: Devs are that people are not happy when they promised one thing and delivered the complete opposite

 

[Aguzy]

Do you have any evidence to prove that it's always the same ppl complaining over and over and that they're not moving on? Because otherwise, you're just making assumptions. You also make it sound like it's a lot of ppl, so maybe provide a list if that's the case. If it's just a few ppl complaining, then I don't know why you'd bother complaining about the repeat complainers... just add them to ignore list and move on. It's what that feature is for. Complaining about complainers only adds fuel to the fire and derails the topic.

And don't worry, we'll wait right here for that list.

Are you daft or just acting it and trying to put words in my mouth. Where did I say anything about repeat complainers. Dont worry I'll wait for your proof. There's been a barrage of greeting faced cunts that had their poor feelings hurt and can't take the seemingly emotional hell that a game put them through. The sense of entitlement on this forum is off the charts, many think they have the right to force a developer to make the game that they want rather than the game a developer wants to make. If you want a list of all the members who think like you that's your job to make it, I'm not that kind of person to want to only be in an echo chamber with like minded people but each to their own if that's what you want go for it.

 

[misfolk]

Jesus H. Christ, some of the people here should be forced to play some actual NTR games for a change to learn the difference. Shame on Mr. Dots for caving to the idiots' demands. "Oh lord, I feel so sullied after learning that the women my virtual avatar cheated on behind their backs had some fun behind his!" "Oh lord, I feel so sullied after learning that I let my virtual avatar unwittingly have sex with prostitutes! I'm 100% on board with twincest, but prostituting themselves? No, that is too much!"

 

[toobad0912]

So, I just started playing this game a few days ago. I'm Week 3 of Chapter 1. And... how imperative to the story is the Ashley path? So far I'm feeling like she's the actual villain of this story and I have no idea why the MC isn't telling her to eff off. Worth sticking it out with her? Or can I hop off that path?

 

[Son of Durin]

So, I just started playing this game a few days ago. I'm Week 3 of Chapter 1. And... how imperative to the story is the Ashley path? So far I'm feeling like she's the actual villain of this story and I have no idea why the MC isn't telling her to eff off. Worth sticking it out with her? Or can I hop off that path?

Do multiple saves and play both ways.

There are non-lewd benefits to keeping her around though, and the lewd benefits are kind of fun.

 

[cxx]

So, I just started playing this game a few days ago. I'm Week 3 of Chapter 1. And... how imperative to the story is the Ashley path? So far I'm feeling like she's the actual villain of this story and I have no idea why the MC isn't telling her to eff off. Worth sticking it out with her? Or can I hop off that path?

she ain't villain, she just has her own plans for mc. real villain is that other hotel's owner.

 

[pgm_01]

I replayed the update with the new adjustments. I think they fixed the tone issue, mostly, on the Vicky Sis scene. I was never bothered by it happening, but rather by the fact that Vicky was way more possessive of MC than any previous interaction with her had led us to believe, despite her acknowledging that MC was given a free pass by his GF. The Twins route is still way messier than it needed to be, but I am fine with it except it really should have had a third choice between MC fully on board or fully off, but I understand that would make more work and more coding for little payoff.

What the Dot's team should have done is made the initial choice of open relationship or end it with MC's girlfriend, the demarcation line. If you choose to end it, you get the most vanilla route, where nobody ever has sex anywhere or any time without MC. Basically, all the "no NTR" folks could have their safe space where the only sex is with MC and nobody ever has a sexual thought unless they are in his presence. On that route, Sis and Vic are friends. The twins run a party business. There are no plot twists, just vanilla story. If you choose to have the open relationship (something the no NTR brigade would never, ever choose) you can introduce the sis/Vic relationship and any of the other plot twists. I think it would have cut down on the whining some, at least, though some would probably complain about a route for existing, even if they were not playing it.

 

[toobad0912]

Do multiple saves and play both ways.

There are non-lewd benefits to keeping her around though, and the lewd benefits are kind of fun.

Thanks! Yea, I just wanted to confirm there were nonlewd reasons to keep her around. I could definitely see how fun the lewd benefits would be.

she ain't villain, she just has her own plans for mc. real villain is that other hotel's owner.

Oh yea, I know. I was being a little facetious. She's just, in my opinion, a terrible mother and person and MC should be absolutely furious at her rather than enticed by her.

But I think maybe that narcissistic parents are just a trigger for me. A trauma I didn't even know I had! Learn something new everyday.

 

[cxx]

diff. povs again, didn't see vicky as possessive.

Oh yea, I know. I was being a little facetious. She's just, in my opinion, a terrible mother and person and MC should be absolutely furious at her rather than enticed by her.

well she ain't mother of the year but still she isn't bad mother. still better mother than mc's daddy was as hubby.

 

[Son of Durin]

Thanks! Yea, I just wanted to confirm there were nonlewd reasons to keep her around. I could definitely see how fun the lewd benefits would be.




Oh yea, I know. I was being a little facetious. She's just, in my opinion, a terrible mother and person and MC should be absolutely furious at her rather than enticed by her.

But I think maybe that narcissistic parents are just a trigger for me. A trauma I didn't even know I had! Learn something new everyday.

You can't have a proper incest game with harem potential if you don't have a terrible mother in the mix.

 

[cxx]

You can't have a proper incest game with harem potential if you don't have a terrible mother in the mix.

no harem on this and can get good mother and harem (well mother is wife but still).

 

[Dogorti]

Jesus H. Christ, some of the people here should be forced to play some actual NTR games for a change to learn the difference. Shame on Mr. Dots for caving to the idiots' demands. "Oh lord, I feel so sullied after learning that the women my virtual avatar cheated on behind their backs had some fun behind his!" "Oh lord, I feel so sullied after learning that I let my virtual avatar unwittingly have sex with prostitutes! I'm 100% on board with twincest, but prostituting themselves? No, that is too much!"

I mean I enjoy ntr but it's normal for fans of this to get upset when seeing something like that scene (it's not ntr but still) I mean this game is mostly vanilla and suddenly seeing something like that for its fans must be a deal off

P.S: i enjoy ntr but when i play a game of this type it's not something i want to watch