VN Ren'Py Completed Sunshine Love [Ch. 3 v1.01i Extras] [MrDots Games]

[jamdan]

Sequence of events:

- The DMD NTR Wars (several ups and downs in this)
- Knowing the NTR wars. Launched a new game... and gave the MC a girlfriend that wanted an open relationship.. (already triggered some people)
- Fully knowing previous events. Decide to hook the main LI up with another LI behind MC's back (you could argue this isn't different than what has happened in DMD and Melody, but still...it's a very risky move this late in game with next to no foreshadowing/buildup.)
- Fully knowing previous events. Decide to make 2 of the LI's escorts out of nowhere. (Obvious bad idea)

People having negative reactions to content that popped out of seemingly nowhere and already has been shown to trigger them is unbelievably predictable. I saw some posts that people just misread the story or whatever. But what actually happened was the devs misread their audience who have already been shown to really dislike this content across multiple games. This is just common sense.

 

[elizandro85]

i'm new here, but i blame the f95 board for having such a vague and nonsensical tagging system.

most of the complaints in this thread don't even match the "official" board definition of "ntr" because instead of listing actions (x does y with z) it lists feelings, which are entirely subjective.

look at how other devs handle the whole "cheating" issue: they present a spoiler'd list of who cheats on/with whom so people who have strong feelings can read the list and decide whether or not to participate, while those who don't care can be pleasantly surprised. that kind of disclosure should be, in my opinion, mandatory given how nuanced and divisive it is.

said list can be community submitted if the dev doesn't want to participate here. of course there's nothing to stop a dev from suddenly introducing cheating into a game that didn't previously have it...but that's no different than showrunners killing off a favorite character in a tv series because of contract negotiations or bad press or whatever. fans either adjust or move on.

Hyperserver i was all set to compliment you on being willing to wade through the ocean of leech entitlement to engage with the rare grateful fan or worthwhile feedback... then you did the whole taking my ball and going home post, boo. i hope you remember the number one rule of community feedback: it's always a tiny minority that bitches the most, because the satisfied majority don't have a reason to post most of the time.

 

[NebulousShooter]

Victimhood sympathy points only really hold till the person in question becomes a perpetrator themselves.

This. MC, the lawyer's reactions and justifications for choices remain a meme. Parody tag, when?

Sis/Vicky
Pretty decent rewrite all things considered,putting the relationship talk in the forefront was the most workable solution.
Bisexuality and attraction still rather comes out of left field,especially for Sis and should have been hinted at starting far earlier in the narrative but overall its fine,circumvented the cheating angle well enough.

Still think making choice for the characters is one of the worst copeout way out of the writing dead end they got themselves in. I don't want to be the one to chose how characters react to my choices, I want you the writer to do so, in a coherent and in line with characters set personalities. The 'relationships' still go from 2 to 11 and makes characters look worse going out than going in the storyline.

6 years, 3 games, btw and thats the best throuple setup they could do...

 

[Raziel_8]

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tf is this shit? choice with another character?
so practically the player decides if they cheat on the mc or not and if any player is not interested in lesbian they lose the threesome and even close the path with a LI... hilarious another dev who thinks that for a threesome the LI should be bisexual and forces the player with X content to get X content.

I agree, i also dislike that.
But did you play DmD or Melody ? IIRC you can't get any threesome scenes, or relationships with more than 1 LI, without them going bi or getting romantically involved with each other if they are full LI's...
I already dread how their harem game will play out, if you are not into lesbian content...

 

[tsaz13]

I really can't understand why this hysterical behavior about NTR is or adding other people for not being a single path or anything like that. Also, can't get why when you don't like the game, you play it?!?! As it was said - Try it - If you like it Buy it, if you don't - Forget it. Of course your opinion will be very helpful in the review section. I'm perfectly sure that the creators care about much more for the opinion of the people who like the game instead those who don't.

On the other hand, about the NTR. First at all - this is GAME! It is supposed to make you think and do things which are not normal in the real life... Than WHY not to have NTR. I want to have everything and will appreciate everything which is made.
In real life I don't want to share my wife, but I'm 100% sure, she doesn’t want to share me also. But here it is allowed. And I'm absolutely sure that a lot of people think like me. On the other hand, I'm saying this again - I like this forum because there is a special information about the games I like and can't understand WHY you are hating and writing bulshits when you simply don't like the game. Just go to where you like and play what you like.
Still, I don't write often. I would like to thank the game developers and the team for what they do and wish to keep the good work.

Regards to all

 

[Nerro]

What exactly is the Netorare in this??

 

[Fastbuck]

What exactly is the Netorare in this??

Trisha and the Mayor maybe? MC's sister/step/roommate and Vicky maybe? The Twins who whore themself out with the whole town and beyond?

 

[cxx]

Trisha and the Mayor maybe? MC's sister/step/roommate and Vicky maybe? The Twins who whore themself out with the whole town and beyond?

trisha is just casual sex, twins same and they aren't lis and they don't whore whole town and beyond and even if did then so what, vicky and sis is what players complain (so far haven't complained that sis wasn't virgin when she and mc had sex 1st time).

 

[Fastbuck]

trisha is just casual sex, twins same and they aren't lis and they don't whore whole town and beyond and even if did then so what, vicky and sis is what players complain (so far haven't complained that sis wasn't virgin when she and mc had sex 1st time).

what do you call sex for cash?
All said or mc said it's just casual till the end of summer so no1 is a LI except Nicole (if you didn't break up with her) and where did I say they are LI's?
So far you know that those 5 (Trisha,Ivy and Lily, Mc's whatever you choose and Vicky) fucked or fooled around with others then mc

 

[cxx]

what do you call sex for cash?

So far you know that those 5 (Trisha,Ivy and Lily, Mc's whatever you choose and Vicky) fucked or fooled around with others then mc

cash for sex: prostitution but as long as it's legal then who cares (outside religious groups etc).

yes every1 except sc, yuki and connie had had sex before they met mc and trisha is doing it with mayor (mc knew that and got option to reject trisha's advances) and sis and vicky rekindled old flame and if plans to return to home with nic then who other girls fuck doesn't matter shit's worth.

 

[Fastbuck]

trisha is just casual sex, twins same and they aren't lis and they don't whore whole town and beyond and even if did then so what, vicky and sis is what players complain (so far haven't complained that sis wasn't virgin when she and mc had sex 1st time).

And the twins talk about how they meet with "clients" and clients are in my book who payed for a certain service like they said sometimes for a dinner company etc. or sex
And sex for cash is what a prostitute does for living or earn some cash at the side
But we could talk about that for hours days weeks months years you name it they still will be prostitutes/eventplaner who get cash for sex if they would do it for fun there are sluts I mean they obviously like it and now the Father Daddy wants the youngest also become a prostitute

 

[cxx]

if they would do it for fun there are sluts I mean they obviously like it and now the Father Daddy wants the youngest also become a prostitute

at start they said that they fuck with 1 interesting guy and who gets to him 1st gets benefits. well daddy priest is ahole but many games need 1 (and this has 3).

 

[Fastbuck]

cash for sex: prostitution but as long as it's legal then who cares (outside religious groups etc).

yes every1 except sc, yuki and connie had had sex before they met mc and trisha is doing it with mayor (mc knew that and got option to reject trisha's advances) and sis and vicky rekindled old flame and if plans to return to home with nic then who other girls fuck doesn't matter shit's worth.

I never said it bothers me that others fuck someone other then mc except the twins with the "escort" ring but I shut up now about that
Next time I play only on ("sweetcake"?) Trishas daughter route Your second Sister if you opened the envelope or Yuki I don't think they have anything hidden

 

[Fastbuck]

at start they said that they fuck with 1 interesting guy and who gets to him 1st gets benefits. well daddy priest is ahole but many games need 1 (and this has 3).

and yet there lied about that and play there games with you (switching at the bathroom and you go always with the one you didn't choose in the barn)

 

[cxx]

and yet there lied about that and play there games with you (switching at the bathroom and you go always with the one you didn't choose in the barn)

that they did since they changed mind that they both want mc.

 

[Saraf]

This. MC, the lawyer's reactions and justifications for choices remain a meme. Parody tag, when?

To be fair,he has become a lot more of an active paticipent in the rewrite.
Before he barely got a word out while the twins tried to incoherently(and hilariously) justify the whole mess.

Still think making choice for the characters is one of the worst copeout way out of the writing dead end they got themselves in. I don't want to be the one to chose how characters react to my choices, I want you the writer to do so, in a coherent and in line with characters set personalities. The 'relationships' still go from 2 to 11 and makes characters look worse going out than going in the storyline.

Agreed but we are obviously past the point of good writing and in the salvage stage.
Putting a choice on a third party in a pov narrative is indeed simply bad writing but there isnt all that much they could do at this point.
People have brought up a Love Point solution but lets be honest,that would just result in an even bigger outcry.

I agree, i also dislike that.
But did you play DmD or Melody ? IIRC you can't get any threesome scenes, or relationships with more than 1 LI, without them going bi or getting romantically involved with each other if they are full LI's...
I already dread how their harem game will play out, if you are not into lesbian content...

Considering that the absolute majority of "harem" VNs(even more so if you include official japanese products)are MC centric and utilize the traditional harem setup,MrDots reliance on an actual emotial connection between the different members does give the games a rare quality.
Yes it makes them somewhat more predictable but honestly thats still better than another story where the different members barely know eachothers names.

What exactly is the Netorare in this??

By the common definition?
Nothing.
By the F95 definition?
Everything thats normally just considered cheating.

 

[cxx]

Putting a choice on a third party in a pov narrative is indeed simply bad writing but there isnt all that much they could do at this point.

had to cause some didn't like it.

 

[Fastbuck]

that they did since they changed mind that they both want mc.

they only had to talk to him I don't think he would decline one twin but it isn't written like that and so be it I don't think mc or the twins shed a tear about the end of the casual relationship

 

[cxx]

they only had to talk to him I don't think he would decline one twin but it isn't written like that and so be it I don't think mc or the twins shed a tear about the end of the casual relationship

well no but at least will have some good memories. also could have ended twins path several updates ago so their revelation of escorting wouldn't been cheating.

 

[NebulousShooter]

had to cause some didn't like it.

Have the scene play out without the player seeing it (button prompt) and 'fix' the situation in the next update, even if it means giving the player the options to drop both of them. There is nothing else they can do, Pandora's Box has been opened.