VN Ren'Py Completed Sunshine Love [Ch. 3 v1.01i Extras] [MrDots Games]

[Dogorti]

for some it is.

for me ntr is more about the humiliation of the mc and the corruption of the heroin than about the cheating, but I understand that some may see it that way

 

[cxx]

for me ntr is more about the humiliation of the mc and the corruption of the heroin than about the cheating, but I understand that some may see it that way

humilation is quite other thing than ntr (per f95).

 

[Raziel_8]

What the Dot's team should have done is made the initial choice of open relationship or end it with MC's girlfriend, the demarcation line. If you choose to end it, you get the most vanilla route, where nobody ever has sex anywhere or any time without MC. Basically, all the "no NTR" folks could have their safe space where the only sex is with MC and nobody ever has a sexual thought unless they are in his presence. On that route, Sis and Vic are friends. The twins run a party business. There are no plot twists, just vanilla story. If you choose to have the open relationship (something the no NTR brigade would never, ever choose) you can introduce the sis/Vic relationship and any of the other plot twists. I think it would have cut down on the whining some, at least, though some would probably complain about a route for existing, even if they were not playing it.

That wouldn't be a good solution.
1)
The open relationship is the gf being a cuckquean, enjoying the MC having sex with other girls...why would that be something the ''no NTR brigade'' would never choose ? Nicole isn't doing it with others.

2)
Just because someone doesn't like Nicole, or simply want one of the other girls, being locked out of content/kinks he may like is a bad design.

 

[pgm_01]

That wouldn't be a good solution.
1)
The open relationship is the gf being a cuckquean, enjoying the MC having sex with other girls...why would that be something the ''no NTR brigade'' would never choose ? Nicole isn't doing it with others.

2)
Just because someone doesn't like Nicole, or simply want one of the other girls, being locked out of content/kinks he may like is a bad design.

The first round of NTR yelling in this game came out with the question of the open relationship, and changes were made so that you could end the relationship just to please the "no NTR" crowd. The breaking it off with Nicole option was literally added to keep them happy, and so I would assume that is the route most of those complaining would take. Since this round of NTR complaining is centered around Sis and Vic, it would make sense to have created a "clean" route where only the MC is having sex because those who scream the most about NTR literally only want the MC to be having sex.

It does not seem to matter that NTR has an actual definition and those looking for that content expect certain circumstances to occur because there is a louder contingent for whom NTR is an amorphous concept that boils down to nobody has sex unless it is with MC. There has never been NTR in this game, however, the "no NTR" group keeps yelling and keeps getting things changed in this game. Dots obviously likes sharing, lesbian scenes, etc. but there is always a loud and obnoxious group that screams every time he adds these things to his game. Having a plain vanilla route for those folks could help keep them from yelling while still allowing the Dot's team to add the content for those of us who would like to see it.

 

[CamaroFan432]

The first round of NTR yelling in this game came out with the question of the open relationship, and changes were made so that you could end the relationship just to please the "no NTR" crowd. The breaking it off with Nicole option was literally added to keep them happy, and so I would assume that is the route most of those complaining would take. Since this round of NTR complaining is centered around Sis and Vic, it would make sense to have created a "clean" route where only the MC is having sex because those who scream the most about NTR literally only want the MC to be having sex.

It does not seem to matter that NTR has an actual definition and those looking for that content expect certain circumstances to occur because there is a louder contingent for whom NTR is an amorphous concept that boils down to nobody has sex unless it is with MC. There has never been NTR in this game, however, the "no NTR" group keeps yelling and keeps getting things changed in this game. Dots obviously likes sharing, lesbian scenes, etc. but there is always a loud and obnoxious group that screams every time he adds these things to his game. Having a plain vanilla route for those folks could help keep them from yelling while still allowing the Dot's team to add the content for those of us who would like to see it.

The biggest problem was, that the scene with sis and Vic came without foreshadowing. It was out of nowhere and completly out of character. Then after the sex between them, Vic even admits, she wants a relationship with sis, all while COMPLETLY IGNORING the fact, that sis told her earlier, that she has fallen for her brother. And the reaction of sis where also COMPLETLY out of character, again. Nothing that new on that front, she acted irrational since Nicole asked her (not?) to tell MC about the D'Amico offer (not sure what it was anymore). I mean, in one scene she is all lovey-dovey and acts as mature as you would expect it and in the next scene she plots alone or with others how she can keep MC and the hotel and lies to everyone without any good reason. But still it was a complete bullshit situation, that shall lead to a throuple according to MrDots and his team. Worst way to go into that direction in a vanilla/romance game. Only natural that vanilla fans would call the dev out. The new option doesn't make the whole setup any better, because now you choose for sis, if she wants to sleep with Vic or not, but by declining, the relationship between Vic and MC automatically ends. Wait, what? Why? What is the (game) logic behind this? It's complete BS. The story was never that good, but at least enjoyable, but the last update felt like 3 different writers tried to throw a bunch of stuff into it. It went downhill before, but that last update was the worst till now.

 

[Raziel_8]

The first round of NTR yelling in this game came out with the question of the open relationship, and changes were made so that you could end the relationship just to please the "no NTR" crowd. The breaking it off with Nicole option was literally added to keep them happy, and so I would assume that is the route most of those complaining would take. Since this round of NTR complaining is centered around Sis and Vic, it would make sense to have created a "clean" route where only the MC is having sex because those who scream the most about NTR literally only want the MC to be having sex.

It does not seem to matter that NTR has an actual definition and those looking for that content expect certain circumstances to occur because there is a louder contingent for whom NTR is an amorphous concept that boils down to nobody has sex unless it is with MC. There has never been NTR in this game, however, the "no NTR" group keeps yelling and keeps getting things changed in this game. Dots obviously likes sharing, lesbian scenes, etc. but there is always a loud and obnoxious group that screams every time he adds these things to his game. Having a plain vanilla route for those folks could help keep them from yelling while still allowing the Dot's team to add the content for those of us who would like to see it.

I remember that there was a lively discussion back then.
But iirc, that was less about ntr, but that a lot of people were waiting to finally break up with her, also seemed the natural thing of how things would go, she also wasn't well liked back then. Aslo many thought that open relationship would mean open for both, which wasn't planed.
And a lot of dislike of how the scene played out, her wanting a break/open relationship over video call, not telling the other if they would spend with someone else, the MC just accepting it etc...but i could misremembering it, has been a while.

 

[Grif1001]

diff. povs again, didn't see vicky as possessive.



well she ain't mother of the year but still she isn't bad mother. still better mother than mc's daddy was as hubby.

Hell, she's a better mother than my sons deadbeat mother who hasn't even bothered to call him in the last 8 years!

 

[Dragon59]

Lesbian NTR out of the blue, but... hey, avoidable because you can take control for a moment of one of the Lis

And two of the characters, out of the blue too, are prostitutes, but... hey, now with a sad backstory

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Congratulations, MrDots. You have made a game I don't want to play even for free.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

lol

Are you seriously giving as an example that we accept incest in a game about... incest? And that we do not accept prostitution in a game... where there was not the slightest hint of prostitution in the entire game?

Fuck, dude. Sorry for accepting incest in a game about incest and wanting vanilla stuff in vanilla games.

I'm going to complain to the Dating my Daughter thread about incest because the MC is dating his daughter.

I mean this is the rhetorical game right? You normalize your preferences and cast aspersions at content you don't like, so on, so forth.

I was skimming this thread to figure out if it had stuff I like or not - I like sharing and group sex, dislike gross "punishment ntr" - and finally saw this guy's response providing clarity, so I very much appreciate Hyperserver writing it out so I could determine if this was a game I'd want to play:

there's no ntr - just the tags over here are weird and applied by rolling dice.

There is a scene where Your Sister/Friend and Vicky, which are 2 potentional love interests, spent a night together (avoidable).
By definition it's NOT NTR, as no one of them wants or tries to steal MC's love interest away (which is crucial for NTR).

So if you call this build-up into a 3-some relationship in the end as "ntr", so it may be called ntr, as MC wasn't present
PS: that scene only happened if you are on BOTH paths (as said, it's the build up for a possible 3-some-ending).

Normal people would have noticed that anyways, and even the update later today will hint it.

I just wonder why other games with pure lesbian content and male MC don't get NTR tag applied, but hey, it's just a tag. If people feel better that way, so why not?

That's what the past 30 pages are about? A lesbian sex scene? As much as I hate invoking redditisms, people really need to touch grass. It used to be ntr meant cheating. Then it was ntr meant any kind of male npc-female npc sex not involving mc. Now it's lesbian sex is ntr? What's next, any dialogue from any npc expressing attraction to other npcs is an ntr thoughtcrime?

Bluntly, this type of discourse will continue as long as the mods keep the kid gloves on for those kind of posters. The pro-incest/pro-harem/militant-ntr-crusaders are a blight on this site that will continue to inhibit creative game development as long as they're allowed to.

 

[hysepReC]

That's what the past 30 pages are about? A lesbian sex scene? As much as I hate invoking redditisms, people really need to touch grass. It used to be ntr meant cheating. Then it was ntr meant any kind of male npc-female npc sex not involving mc. Now it's lesbian sex is ntr? What's next, any dialogue from any npc expressing attraction to other npcs is an ntr thoughtcrime?

Cheating is cheating. Doesn't matter if it's with a man, woman, dog or alien from outer space, to me it's all the same. In the previous version (i haven't played the fixed version so i'm not sure about that), the MC's sister asks herself if it would be cheating on him if she slept with Vicky (protip: if you're unsure if something is cheating or not, it probably is) so yes, it's NTR.

P.S: Mods, please don't delete my post this time . I'm actually trying to discuss the game here, unlike some others in this thread that are just shitting on the developer and their posts aren't being deleted.

 

[Dragon59]

MC has parents so theres NTR in the game.

And since we don't have to be shown, the people banging all over town would also qualify?

That's what the past 30 pages are about? A lesbian sex scene? As much as I hate invoking redditisms, people really need to touch grass. It used to be ntr meant cheating. Then it was ntr meant any kind of male npc-female npc sex not involving mc. Now it's lesbian sex is ntr? What's next, any dialogue from any npc expressing attraction to other npcs is an ntr thoughtcrime?

Bluntly, this type of discourse will continue as long as the mods keep the kid gloves on for those kind of posters. The pro-incest/pro-harem/militant-ntr-crusaders are a blight on this site that will continue to inhibit creative game development as long as they're allowed to.

You started too late. Initially, NTR (Netorare) meant losing a romantic partner to another because they slept together. That's the literal meaning of the Japanese word.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Cheating is cheating. Doesn't matter if it's with a man, woman, dog or alien from outer space, to me it's all the same. In the previous version (i haven't played the fixed version so i'm not sure about that), the MC's sister asks herself if it would be cheating on him if she slept with Vicky (protip: if you're unsure if something is cheating or not, it probably is) so yes, it's NTR.

P.S: Mods, please don't delete my post this time . I'm actually trying to discuss the game here, unlike some others in this thread that are just shitting on the developer and their posts aren't being deleted.

I agree "technically" it's cheating, but lets be honest here, we're playing porn games, and for most men lesbian fetishism is a major aspect of harem group sex and is definitely treated differently than male-female sex. Most men (in a porn context, and outside of this crazy f95 bubble of reeee ntr ree) would enjoy seeing the girl kissing/licking another girl during a sexual encounter. That's not to say you or anyone must share that view, but it'd be naive not to see how normalized that is in regular porn. It's definitely not meant to cause jealousy, and definitely IS meant to cause titillation.


P.S. - I do appreciate anyone who pollitely states their views as you have, my prior rant on the cancerous ntr-brigade was aimed at those with the type of posts like "ok so mc is a cuck, got it"/"DEV LIED TO US AGAIN REEE"/"hard pass, not surprised to see game fails"

 

[Porthas]

The biggest problem was, that the scene with sis and Vic came without foreshadowing. It was out of nowhere and completly out of character. Then after the sex between them, Vic even admits, she wants a relationship with sis, all while COMPLETLY IGNORING the fact, that sis told her earlier, that she has fallen for her brother. And the reaction of sis where also COMPLETLY out of character, again. Nothing that new on that front, she acted irrational since Nicole asked her (not?) to tell MC about the D'Amico offer (not sure what it was anymore). I mean, in one scene she is all lovey-dovey and acts as mature as you would expect it and in the next scene she plots alone or with others how she can keep MC and the hotel and lies to everyone without any good reason. But still it was a complete bullshit situation, that shall lead to a throuple according to MrDots and his team. Worst way to go into that direction in a vanilla/romance game. Only natural that vanilla fans would call the dev out. The new option doesn't make the whole setup any better, because now you choose for sis, if she wants to sleep with Vic or not, but by declining, the relationship between Vic and MC automatically ends. Wait, what? Why? What is the (game) logic behind this? It's complete BS. The story was never that good, but at least enjoyable, but the last update felt like 3 different writers tried to throw a bunch of stuff into it. It went downhill before, but that last update was the worst till now.

 

[hysepReC]

I agree "technically" it's cheating, but lets be honest here, we're playing porn games, and for most men lesbian fetishism is a major aspect of harem group sex and is definitely treated differently than male-female sex. Most men (in a porn context, and outside of this crazy f95 bubble of reeee ntr ree) would enjoy seeing the girl kissing/licking another girl during a sexual encounter. That's not to say you or anyone must share that view, but it'd be naive not to see how normalized that is in regular porn. It's definitely not meant to cause jealousy, and definitely IS meant to cause titillation.


P.S. - I do appreciate anyone who pollitely states their views as you have, my prior rant on the cancerous ntr-brigade was aimed at those with the type of posts like "ok so mc is a cuck, got it"/"DEV LIED TO US AGAIN REEE"/"hard pass, not surprised to see game fails"

This is why context is important. Two of the MC's girls having sex with his knowledge/permission or them playing with each other during a threesome? Obviously not NTR, i think most reasonable people would agree with that. If it happens behind his back, though? Well, i will always consider such scenarios as NTR. Just because it's leading to a Sis/Vicky throuple/threesome, it doesn't change the fact that them having sex behind his back is cheating, and therefore NTR.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

This is why context is important. Two of the MC's girls having sex with his knowledge/permission or them playing with each other during a threesome? Obviously not NTR, i think most reasonable people would agree with that. If it happens behind his back, though? Well, i will always consider such scenarios as NTR. Just because it's leading to a Sis/Vicky throuple/threesome, it doesn't change the fact that them having sex behind his back is cheating, and therefore NTR.

Obviously I havent played full game, I agree context is important - is he ever informed of it afterwards? How is it handled? Do they try and conceal it from him?

 

[Dragon59]

And yes, in this case, it is 100% ntr, it is not even an opinion, that is just a fact. And you can try to spin it however you like with the "it's a girl so it doesn't count" and "they will end up in a threeway" but let's be real trying to make an argument that the main girl cheating on MC behind his back is not ntr is just gonna fall flat because it's completely nonsensical.

Did the MC lose them because of this action? No? Not Netorare then.
Did the scene cause the MC to feel jealous? From what I'm seeing, that's another no. Not F95 definition of NTR.

Sounds like it is your opinion and not based upon facts and definitions.

For me, it is refreshing to see LI's being involved with each other. I see it as more harmonious.

 

[hysepReC]

Obviously I havent played full game, I agree context is important - is he ever informed of it afterwards? How is it handled? Do they try and conceal it from him?

No, the MC doesn't know about it yet and yes, the sister hides it from him. I just checked the new version and i still don't like it, the sister tells Vicky that she's in love with the MC and that doesn't stop Vicky from trying to seduce her.

 

[Dragon59]

This is why context is important. Two of the MC's girls having sex with his knowledge/permission or them playing with each other during a threesome? Obviously not NTR, i think most reasonable people would agree with that. If it happens behind his back, though? Well, i will always consider such scenarios as NTR. Just because it's leading to a Sis/Vicky throuple/threesome, it doesn't change the fact that them having sex behind his back is cheating, and therefore NTR.

Did either of them promise the MC exclusivity? Especially since the MC isn't.

 

[hysepReC]

Did either of them promise the MC exclusivity? Especially since the MC isn't.

Not the point. If Vicky was a man, this wouldn't even be an argument and don't try to pretend otherwise. If the sister felt that she hadn't done anything wrong by having sex with Vicky then she wouldn't need to hide it from him. Also, the MC himself is worried about Sis/Vicky finding out about each other. He knows that dating multiple girls is wrong, that's why you're given chances to break things off with some of them.

 

[topsykretts89]

I really can't understand why this hysterical behavior about NTR is or adding other people for not being a single path or anything like that. Also, can't get why when you don't like the game, you play it?!?! As it was said - Try it - If you like it Buy it, if you don't - Forget it. Of course your opinion will be very helpful in the review section. I'm perfectly sure that the creators care about much more for the opinion of the people who like the game instead those who don't.

On the other hand, about the NTR. First at all - this is GAME! It is supposed to make you think and do things which are not normal in the real life... Than WHY not to have NTR. I want to have everything and will appreciate everything which is made.
In real life I don't want to share my wife, but I'm 100% sure, she doesn’t want to share me also. But here it is allowed. And I'm absolutely sure that a lot of people think like me. On the other hand, I'm saying this again - I like this forum because there is a special information about the games I like and can't understand WHY you are hating and writing bulshits when you simply don't like the game. Just go to where you like and play what you like.
Still, I don't write often. I would like to thank the game developers and the team for what they do and wish to keep the good work.

Regards to all

thats kind of a backwards way of thinking. "dont like it? dont play!" doesnt work if the major gripe comes with the most recent update. the writing up to this point has been pretty good, even if MC is a spineless moron, and the plot devices are lacking in logic. no one was super pissed off about anything until this point, so of course people have been playing this long through its development and were sucker punched with new idiotic plot devices out of left field.