VN Ren'Py Completed Sunshine Love [Ch. 3 v1.01i Extras] [MrDots Games]

[KeiNineX]

This situation is actually hilarious. The dev admitted that he made a mistake by adding ntr, some people didn't think it was ntr casue it was consensual, some people did bla bla, the regular stuff on this forum, tbf I was kinda in the middle but at that point, dmd was such a shit show that it didn't even matter. And now out of nowhere he adds ntr into this game and everybody is surprised that people are not happy. Clearly the dev or the writer or whoever is making decisons regarding this thing is either not very intelligent or straight up just willfully ignorant.

And yes, in this case, it is 100% ntr, it is not even an opinion, that is just a fact. And you can try to spin it however you like with the "it's a girl so it doesn't count" and "they will end up in a threeway" but let's be real trying to make an argument that the main girl cheating on MC behind his back is not ntr is just gonna fall flat because it's completely nonsensical.

TLDR: Devs are that people are not happy when they promised one thing and delivered the complete opposite

 

[Aguzy]

Do you have any evidence to prove that it's always the same ppl complaining over and over and that they're not moving on? Because otherwise, you're just making assumptions. You also make it sound like it's a lot of ppl, so maybe provide a list if that's the case. If it's just a few ppl complaining, then I don't know why you'd bother complaining about the repeat complainers... just add them to ignore list and move on. It's what that feature is for. Complaining about complainers only adds fuel to the fire and derails the topic.

And don't worry, we'll wait right here for that list.

Are you daft or just acting it and trying to put words in my mouth. Where did I say anything about repeat complainers. Dont worry I'll wait for your proof. There's been a barrage of greeting faced cunts that had their poor feelings hurt and can't take the seemingly emotional hell that a game put them through. The sense of entitlement on this forum is off the charts, many think they have the right to force a developer to make the game that they want rather than the game a developer wants to make. If you want a list of all the members who think like you that's your job to make it, I'm not that kind of person to want to only be in an echo chamber with like minded people but each to their own if that's what you want go for it.

 

[misfolk]

Jesus H. Christ, some of the people here should be forced to play some actual NTR games for a change to learn the difference. Shame on Mr. Dots for caving to the idiots' demands. "Oh lord, I feel so sullied after learning that the women my virtual avatar cheated on behind their backs had some fun behind his!" "Oh lord, I feel so sullied after learning that I let my virtual avatar unwittingly have sex with prostitutes! I'm 100% on board with twincest, but prostituting themselves? No, that is too much!"

 

[toobad0912]

So, I just started playing this game a few days ago. I'm Week 3 of Chapter 1. And... how imperative to the story is the Ashley path? So far I'm feeling like she's the actual villain of this story and I have no idea why the MC isn't telling her to eff off. Worth sticking it out with her? Or can I hop off that path?

 

[Son of Durin]

So, I just started playing this game a few days ago. I'm Week 3 of Chapter 1. And... how imperative to the story is the Ashley path? So far I'm feeling like she's the actual villain of this story and I have no idea why the MC isn't telling her to eff off. Worth sticking it out with her? Or can I hop off that path?

Do multiple saves and play both ways.

There are non-lewd benefits to keeping her around though, and the lewd benefits are kind of fun.

 

[cxx]

So, I just started playing this game a few days ago. I'm Week 3 of Chapter 1. And... how imperative to the story is the Ashley path? So far I'm feeling like she's the actual villain of this story and I have no idea why the MC isn't telling her to eff off. Worth sticking it out with her? Or can I hop off that path?

she ain't villain, she just has her own plans for mc. real villain is that other hotel's owner.

 

[pgm_01]

I replayed the update with the new adjustments. I think they fixed the tone issue, mostly, on the Vicky Sis scene. I was never bothered by it happening, but rather by the fact that Vicky was way more possessive of MC than any previous interaction with her had led us to believe, despite her acknowledging that MC was given a free pass by his GF. The Twins route is still way messier than it needed to be, but I am fine with it except it really should have had a third choice between MC fully on board or fully off, but I understand that would make more work and more coding for little payoff.

What the Dot's team should have done is made the initial choice of open relationship or end it with MC's girlfriend, the demarcation line. If you choose to end it, you get the most vanilla route, where nobody ever has sex anywhere or any time without MC. Basically, all the "no NTR" folks could have their safe space where the only sex is with MC and nobody ever has a sexual thought unless they are in his presence. On that route, Sis and Vic are friends. The twins run a party business. There are no plot twists, just vanilla story. If you choose to have the open relationship (something the no NTR brigade would never, ever choose) you can introduce the sis/Vic relationship and any of the other plot twists. I think it would have cut down on the whining some, at least, though some would probably complain about a route for existing, even if they were not playing it.

 

[toobad0912]

Do multiple saves and play both ways.

There are non-lewd benefits to keeping her around though, and the lewd benefits are kind of fun.

Thanks! Yea, I just wanted to confirm there were nonlewd reasons to keep her around. I could definitely see how fun the lewd benefits would be.

she ain't villain, she just has her own plans for mc. real villain is that other hotel's owner.

Oh yea, I know. I was being a little facetious. She's just, in my opinion, a terrible mother and person and MC should be absolutely furious at her rather than enticed by her.

But I think maybe that narcissistic parents are just a trigger for me. A trauma I didn't even know I had! Learn something new everyday.

 

[cxx]

diff. povs again, didn't see vicky as possessive.

Oh yea, I know. I was being a little facetious. She's just, in my opinion, a terrible mother and person and MC should be absolutely furious at her rather than enticed by her.

well she ain't mother of the year but still she isn't bad mother. still better mother than mc's daddy was as hubby.

 

[Son of Durin]

Thanks! Yea, I just wanted to confirm there were nonlewd reasons to keep her around. I could definitely see how fun the lewd benefits would be.




Oh yea, I know. I was being a little facetious. She's just, in my opinion, a terrible mother and person and MC should be absolutely furious at her rather than enticed by her.

But I think maybe that narcissistic parents are just a trigger for me. A trauma I didn't even know I had! Learn something new everyday.

You can't have a proper incest game with harem potential if you don't have a terrible mother in the mix.

 

[cxx]

You can't have a proper incest game with harem potential if you don't have a terrible mother in the mix.

no harem on this and can get good mother and harem (well mother is wife but still).

 

[Dogorti]

Jesus H. Christ, some of the people here should be forced to play some actual NTR games for a change to learn the difference. Shame on Mr. Dots for caving to the idiots' demands. "Oh lord, I feel so sullied after learning that the women my virtual avatar cheated on behind their backs had some fun behind his!" "Oh lord, I feel so sullied after learning that I let my virtual avatar unwittingly have sex with prostitutes! I'm 100% on board with twincest, but prostituting themselves? No, that is too much!"

I mean I enjoy ntr but it's normal for fans of this to get upset when seeing something like that scene (it's not ntr but still) I mean this game is mostly vanilla and suddenly seeing something like that for its fans must be a deal off

P.S: i enjoy ntr but when i play a game of this type it's not something i want to watch

 

[cxx]

I mean I enjoy ntr but it's normal for fans of this to get upset when seeing something like this (it's not ntr but still) I mean this game is mostly vanilla and suddenly seeing something like this for its fans must be a deal off

for some it is.

 

[Dogorti]

for some it is.

for me ntr is more about the humiliation of the mc and the corruption of the heroin than about the cheating, but I understand that some may see it that way

 

[cxx]

for me ntr is more about the humiliation of the mc and the corruption of the heroin than about the cheating, but I understand that some may see it that way

humilation is quite other thing than ntr (per f95).

 

[Raziel_8]

What the Dot's team should have done is made the initial choice of open relationship or end it with MC's girlfriend, the demarcation line. If you choose to end it, you get the most vanilla route, where nobody ever has sex anywhere or any time without MC. Basically, all the "no NTR" folks could have their safe space where the only sex is with MC and nobody ever has a sexual thought unless they are in his presence. On that route, Sis and Vic are friends. The twins run a party business. There are no plot twists, just vanilla story. If you choose to have the open relationship (something the no NTR brigade would never, ever choose) you can introduce the sis/Vic relationship and any of the other plot twists. I think it would have cut down on the whining some, at least, though some would probably complain about a route for existing, even if they were not playing it.

That wouldn't be a good solution.
1)
The open relationship is the gf being a cuckquean, enjoying the MC having sex with other girls...why would that be something the ''no NTR brigade'' would never choose ? Nicole isn't doing it with others.

2)
Just because someone doesn't like Nicole, or simply want one of the other girls, being locked out of content/kinks he may like is a bad design.

 

[pgm_01]

That wouldn't be a good solution.
1)
The open relationship is the gf being a cuckquean, enjoying the MC having sex with other girls...why would that be something the ''no NTR brigade'' would never choose ? Nicole isn't doing it with others.

2)
Just because someone doesn't like Nicole, or simply want one of the other girls, being locked out of content/kinks he may like is a bad design.

The first round of NTR yelling in this game came out with the question of the open relationship, and changes were made so that you could end the relationship just to please the "no NTR" crowd. The breaking it off with Nicole option was literally added to keep them happy, and so I would assume that is the route most of those complaining would take. Since this round of NTR complaining is centered around Sis and Vic, it would make sense to have created a "clean" route where only the MC is having sex because those who scream the most about NTR literally only want the MC to be having sex.

It does not seem to matter that NTR has an actual definition and those looking for that content expect certain circumstances to occur because there is a louder contingent for whom NTR is an amorphous concept that boils down to nobody has sex unless it is with MC. There has never been NTR in this game, however, the "no NTR" group keeps yelling and keeps getting things changed in this game. Dots obviously likes sharing, lesbian scenes, etc. but there is always a loud and obnoxious group that screams every time he adds these things to his game. Having a plain vanilla route for those folks could help keep them from yelling while still allowing the Dot's team to add the content for those of us who would like to see it.

 

[CamaroFan432]

The first round of NTR yelling in this game came out with the question of the open relationship, and changes were made so that you could end the relationship just to please the "no NTR" crowd. The breaking it off with Nicole option was literally added to keep them happy, and so I would assume that is the route most of those complaining would take. Since this round of NTR complaining is centered around Sis and Vic, it would make sense to have created a "clean" route where only the MC is having sex because those who scream the most about NTR literally only want the MC to be having sex.

It does not seem to matter that NTR has an actual definition and those looking for that content expect certain circumstances to occur because there is a louder contingent for whom NTR is an amorphous concept that boils down to nobody has sex unless it is with MC. There has never been NTR in this game, however, the "no NTR" group keeps yelling and keeps getting things changed in this game. Dots obviously likes sharing, lesbian scenes, etc. but there is always a loud and obnoxious group that screams every time he adds these things to his game. Having a plain vanilla route for those folks could help keep them from yelling while still allowing the Dot's team to add the content for those of us who would like to see it.

The biggest problem was, that the scene with sis and Vic came without foreshadowing. It was out of nowhere and completly out of character. Then after the sex between them, Vic even admits, she wants a relationship with sis, all while COMPLETLY IGNORING the fact, that sis told her earlier, that she has fallen for her brother. And the reaction of sis where also COMPLETLY out of character, again. Nothing that new on that front, she acted irrational since Nicole asked her (not?) to tell MC about the D'Amico offer (not sure what it was anymore). I mean, in one scene she is all lovey-dovey and acts as mature as you would expect it and in the next scene she plots alone or with others how she can keep MC and the hotel and lies to everyone without any good reason. But still it was a complete bullshit situation, that shall lead to a throuple according to MrDots and his team. Worst way to go into that direction in a vanilla/romance game. Only natural that vanilla fans would call the dev out. The new option doesn't make the whole setup any better, because now you choose for sis, if she wants to sleep with Vic or not, but by declining, the relationship between Vic and MC automatically ends. Wait, what? Why? What is the (game) logic behind this? It's complete BS. The story was never that good, but at least enjoyable, but the last update felt like 3 different writers tried to throw a bunch of stuff into it. It went downhill before, but that last update was the worst till now.

 

[Raziel_8]

The first round of NTR yelling in this game came out with the question of the open relationship, and changes were made so that you could end the relationship just to please the "no NTR" crowd. The breaking it off with Nicole option was literally added to keep them happy, and so I would assume that is the route most of those complaining would take. Since this round of NTR complaining is centered around Sis and Vic, it would make sense to have created a "clean" route where only the MC is having sex because those who scream the most about NTR literally only want the MC to be having sex.

It does not seem to matter that NTR has an actual definition and those looking for that content expect certain circumstances to occur because there is a louder contingent for whom NTR is an amorphous concept that boils down to nobody has sex unless it is with MC. There has never been NTR in this game, however, the "no NTR" group keeps yelling and keeps getting things changed in this game. Dots obviously likes sharing, lesbian scenes, etc. but there is always a loud and obnoxious group that screams every time he adds these things to his game. Having a plain vanilla route for those folks could help keep them from yelling while still allowing the Dot's team to add the content for those of us who would like to see it.

I remember that there was a lively discussion back then.
But iirc, that was less about ntr, but that a lot of people were waiting to finally break up with her, also seemed the natural thing of how things would go, she also wasn't well liked back then. Aslo many thought that open relationship would mean open for both, which wasn't planed.
And a lot of dislike of how the scene played out, her wanting a break/open relationship over video call, not telling the other if they would spend with someone else, the MC just accepting it etc...but i could misremembering it, has been a while.

 

[Grif1001]

diff. povs again, didn't see vicky as possessive.



well she ain't mother of the year but still she isn't bad mother. still better mother than mc's daddy was as hubby.

Hell, she's a better mother than my sons deadbeat mother who hasn't even bothered to call him in the last 8 years!