VN Ren'Py Abandoned Sunville [v0.7beta3] [feierflei]

[Lara Snow]

ar... Done!
I expected much less content but was pleasantly surprised about the total hrs aviable (around 9/10 with the 0.5b version)
I don't want lie here, nothing really original but it was really fun to play,
although I didn't really appreciated the "anti male" dome, it was really weird and awkward, nothing to say about lesbian and is integrated very well in the word game but changing quotes from male to female (and even artist) was a bad move from me, also the warning "warning dicks" was really lame.. I would like to have a bit more choice since the mc did not say nothing about being strict with one orientation (luckily girls are more open-mind about).

As I said it was a good experience and surely i'll wait happily new updates (probably reddit part).

While some dicks here and ther are not bad at all. This is a game for those of us who love yuri. Lesbians deserve to have fun with our games too you know? And the few men who like the genre as well.

It's curious how "lesbian" is the most popular porn tag but when it comes to porn games/novels men just can't help but feel left out even when 99% of the games appeal to their fantasies. I'm not a hater of men and god forbid a hater of dicks LOL, but when we have so few dedicated devs for girls only content the "lack of males" argument being put up as a con feels unfair to me.

 

[luchettodj94]

While some dicks here and ther are not bad at all. This is a game for those of us who love yuri. Lesbians deserve to have fun with our games too you know? And the few men who like the genre as well.

It's curious how "lesbian" is the most popular porn tag but when it comes to porn games/novels men just can't help but feel left out even when 99% of the games appeal to their fantasies. I'm not a hater of men and god forbid a hater of dicks LOL, but when we have so few dedicated devs for girls only content the "lack of males" argument being put up as a con feels unfair to me.

Well it make sense mostly of what you said and as I already said I have nothing to lesbian itself cause it was everything enjoyable and liked the evolving, it just that sometimes it felt suffocating, as other already mention there are various titles that might showing that part of sexuallity without that akward feeling, like Naughty Lyanna or some parts of The Headmaster for mention couple, I don't think exclude mens, especially in common life, are a good solution as you miss something important moreover if you are talking about exposure cause the thrill just goes beyond with all the male stereotypes (thant not mean anyway you really have to do something with it) female exposure to other female it just put a stop itself to the storyline cause at some point (like in this story) everything goes to tolerance subject.

As for the lesbian tag in porn well.. I tell you a secret, mostly male have this fantasies with pov. this explicit dominance and a gift that you get in a threeshome or harem, but, porn and erotism are 2 completely different things. The first is a quick shot, the second have the duty to make you feel confortable and possibly involve you in medium/long term so you can explore those feelings, and that's why I love this (unfortunately this has been lost with the new generations if we talking about films and some don't even know the difference).

 

[Lara Snow]

I get what you are going, but ask yourself this question: if you were a girl, how often would you feel left out in a similar fashion you feel this game makes feel the average men? Be it as being locked to a male protagonist or with a female MC that's the Queen of the Dick Universe were you barely have any lesbian scenes or even flirt at all?

We learned to deal (perhaps not accept, at least in my case) with our place as the secondary demographic target of this type of content/entertainment (which is due to way many sad issues which is no point to even talk about them, which is also why many girls that do like this content stay silent and we are even fewer who take part in some sort of comunity -take my post count for example, I'm 2 years old in this site and just now I'm feeling confortable enough to start being more active on it) and it's just not fair that dudes want to feel included in the few fun spots we have for us when 95% (to be fair and not say 99%) of content already exclude US.

So, if this and men to fuck in this games are an option, should be from the female approach not the typical God of an Harem or Love/Lover interest for men to self insert to, let us have our spots were we can be the Queens. You don't have to be a woman to enjoy this type of game as many guys understand yuri and lesbian fun without the need of a male character to self insert to, they just enjoy the treat, and us girls have something of the thrill you guys can find almost everywhere.

EDIT: And regarding the thrill you mentioned, welp, I can feel it if another girl would get to see me, but not if a man would, I (and I'm being very personal here) would feel scared and not in a fun way.

 

[Hordragg]

Well it make sense mostly of what you said and as I already said I have nothing to lesbian itself cause it was everything enjoyable and liked the evolving, it just that sometimes it felt suffocating, as other already mention there are various titles that might showing that part of sexuallity without that akward feeling, like Naughty Lyanna or some parts of The Headmaster for mention couple, I don't think exclude mens, especially in common life, are a good solution as you miss something important moreover if you are talking about exposure cause the thrill just goes beyond with all the male stereotypes (thant not mean anyway you really have to do something with it) female exposure to other female it just put a stop itself to the storyline cause at some point (like in this story) everything goes to tolerance subject.

As for the lesbian tag in porn well.. I tell you a secret, mostly male have this fantasies with pov. this explicit dominance and a gift that you get in a threeshome or harem, but, porn and erotism are 2 completely different things. The first is a quick shot, the second have the duty to make you feel confortable and possibly involve you in medium/long term so you can explore those feelings, and that's why I love this (unfortunately this has been lost with the new generations if we talking about films and some don't even know the difference).

The world of Sunville is first and foremost a fantasy, a wonderful what-if of a world predominated by women. Nothing 'important' is missing from it.

Attributing contemporary achievements to women is far more effective in driving home said predominance than building a world around female idols none of us ever heard about. Especially seeing as most of the populace won't even take interest in the female idols of our time. While quizzing people about Marie Curie or Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez will provoke some responses, the achievements of Augusta Ada King-Noel née Byron (aka Ada Lovelace), Amelia Earhart, Kathryn Bigelow, or K.K Shailaja are far less known (and yes, I realize I'm all over the place with my examples).

I fail to understand your points about men self-inserting themselves into one of the actresses of a lesbian scene or how 'dominance' plays a part there. Occam's razor dictates this to be about heterosexual men not getting their rocks off looking at men.

I get what you are going, but ask yourself this question: if you were a girl, how often would you feel left out in a similar fashion you feel this game makes feel the average men? Be it as being locked to a male protagonist or with a female MC that's the Queen of the Dick Universe were you barely have any lesbian scenes or even flirt at all?

We learned to deal (perhaps not accept, at least in my case) with our place as the secondary demographic target of this type of content/entertainment (which is due to way many sad issues which is no point to even talk about them, which is also why many girls that do like this content stay silent and we are even fewer who take part in some sort of comunity -take my post count for example, I'm 2 years old in this site and just now I'm feeling confortable enough to start being more active on it) and it's just not fair that dudes want to feel included in the few fun spots we have for us when 95% (to be fair and not say 99%) of content already exclude US.

So, if this and men to fuck in this games are an option, should be from the female approach not the typical God of an Harem or Love/Lover interest for men to self insert to, let us have our spots were we can be the Queens. You don't have to be a woman to enjoy this type of game as many guys understand yuri and lesbian fun without the need of a male character to self insert to, they just enjoy the treat, and us girls have something of the thrill you guys can find almost everywhere.

EDIT: And regarding the thrill you mentioned, welp, I can feel it if another girl would get to see me, but not if a man would, I (and I'm being very personal here) would feel scared and not in a fun way.

Hear, hear!

Please, do engage more.

 

[luchettodj94]

Thanks or you reply, as you may understand already, none of my text was based of discredit the work as I liked but just a tip on how evolving things, as is it now seem it is going to a self stop cause of tollerance, and this will be the end of the exhibitionism.

I fail to understand your points about men self-inserting themselves into one of the actresses of a lesbian scene or how 'dominance' plays a part there.

In that specific case was a quote about some (if not mostly) men fantasy, having 2 girl that praise his man, playing and dance for him as a show and a gift. The dominance presence is mostly for self-esteem cause if there was not the scene would just crumble on itself. It wasn't at all from replace the acttress but like i've wrote from pov.
Anyway nothing of this last few lines is related to the work.

As for femminism part i don't want to say nothing cause is not a thing I would enjoy to talk (not in this space at least).

 

[feierflei]

Thanks or you reply, as you may understand already, none of my text was based of discredit the work as I liked but just a tip on how evolving things, as is it now seem it is going to a self stop cause of tollerance, and this will be the end of the exhibitionism.

Your posts reminds me of the ancient meme debate on a certain 4chan board: Does ENF need male observers to be considered ENF?
Because, obviously, women can't be embarrassed around each other, or at least not enough for the situation to be "true" ENF. Men are needed, because heterosexual encounters are obviously superior to anything homosexual, and can be the only possible escalation of a situation. Because who in their right mind would take lesbians seriously? They are just girls after all!

Now, from my liberal use of bold font, one might infer what I personally think about this issue. And, of course, this is nothing but a big strawman I just pinned your arguments against.
But I really don't see where else you're coming from. People getting used to nudity will end the appeal of exhibitionism? Well, duh. That goes for both genders though - most men aren't single-minded sex machines that literally cannot think about anything else than fucking every girl they see. Take nudist colonies or even beaches for example. And not the kind of "nudist" you see in porn...
So, I cannot see how inserting men in the scenarios would alleviate that issue at all. Unless, of course, you believe heterosexual content to be inherently superior and the natural escalation - but here we are at the strawman again.
Please elaborate on how male content would actually improve everything, because up until now you've only told us that it would. Maybe I drastically misunderstood the "tolerance" you are talking about?

 

[luchettodj94]

Your posts reminds me of the ancient meme debate on a certain 4chan board: Does ENF need male observers to be considered ENF?
Because, obviously, women can't be embarrassed around each other, or at least not enough for the situation to be "true" ENF. Men are needed, because heterosexual encounters are obviously superior to anything homosexual, and can be the only possible escalation of a situation. Because who in their right mind would take lesbians seriously? They are just girls after all!

Now, from my liberal use of bold font, one might infer what I personally think about this issue. And, of course, this is nothing but a big strawman I just pinned your arguments against.
But I really don't see where else you're coming from. People getting used to nudity will end the appeal of exhibitionism? Well, duh. That goes for both genders though - most men aren't single-minded sex machines that literally cannot think about anything else than fucking every girl they see. Take nudist colonies or even beaches for example. And not the kind of "nudist" you see in porn...
So, I cannot see how inserting men in the scenarios would alleviate that issue at all. Unless, of course, you believe heterosexual content to be inherently superior and the natural escalation - but here we are at the strawman again.
Please elaborate on how male content would actually improve everything, because up until now you've only told us that it would. Maybe I drastically misunderstood the "tolerance" you are talking about?

Sigh... I've never said that exhibitionism can't be done with the same sex but with our social structure the thrill, essential part of exhibitionism, will be simple slips cause mostly of the time it will be shout down as "what are you doing", the main plate of exhibitionism is what is will happen if get cought not the act itself (the embarrassment is also a key but a really small one compared), for female counterpart a huge one is eg. "I will be raped". Fantasies are good but they must somehow credible, it might happen that who might cought you will be a dominatrix but is a bit improbable. Pls do not confuse exhib with nudism cause they are a totally different thing and even in a imaginary word you can't get away with simple i'm a nudist out of blue (but ofc I got what you mean).

About the story you writing at this point she don't have even more the need to not be cought cause is accepted and also pushed to it (this candle burn really quickly), so end of the game and you are just a perv who want a quick. Reddit part with exposure context might be a good solution to add some spice with the thrill of being recognized, although not in the same city cause almost everybody already know but maybe old city and family.

Exhibitionism is not a simple theme to talk and even if it have let's say "multiple stage" such as get over the embarrassment and then start doing more bold stuff all have the main task to"not get cought or recognised", everything else is just masochism, eg. running naked in a stadium with an audience might get you the thrill but for the wrong things.

 

[feierflei]

Sigh... I've never said that exhibitionism can't be done with the same sex but with our social structure the thrill, essential part of exhibitionism, will be simple slips cause mostly of the time it will be shout down as "what are you doing", the main plate of exhibitionism is what is will happen if get cought not the act itself (the embarrassment is also a key but a really small one compared), for female counterpart a huge one is eg. "I will be raped". Fantasies are good but they must somehow credible, it might happen that who might cought you will be a dominatrix but is a bit improbable. Pls do not confuse exhib with nudism cause they are a totally different thing and even in a imaginary word you can't get away with simple i'm a nudist out of blue (but ofc I got what you mean).

About the story you writing at this point she don't have even more the need to not be cought cause is accepted and also pushed to it (this candle burn really quickly), so end of the game and you are just a perv who want a quick. Reddit part with exposure context might be a good solution to add some spice with the thrill of being recognized, although not in the same city cause almost everybody already know but maybe old city and family.

Exhibitionism is not a simple theme to talk and even if it have let's say "multiple stage" such as get over the embarrassment and then start doing more bold stuff all have the main task to"not get cought or recognised", everything else is just masochism, eg. running naked in a stadium with an audience might get you the thrill but for the wrong things.

It seems you fail to understand what many people enjoy about my game: The lightheartedness of everything.
There are no dangerous consequences. This is a fun, casual story about a few girls who enjoy being looked at. Not everyone likes the threat of being potentially raped
This is not a dark game. This will never be a dark game. Rape will never once play any part of the story or even be a remotely possible thing. I even resolve blackmail-y situations in the most enjoyable way for every character involved.

You are indeed right in saying that the "candle" of exposure in small environments burns up rather fast, and I don't want to escalate situations infinitely. Thus, my solution is to simply expand the cast and world whenever necessary. Which has worked perfectly fine until now, and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.
Also, this game isn't planned to last forever - I am already collecting character ideas, assets and storylines for the sequel.

I am not confusing nudism with exhibitionism, far from it. I was making a point that didn't seem to get across. Sorry about that, English is not my native language.

From all I've read from you I have to conclude that what you want from this game is a darker undertone, real consequences and danger, because that's one of your personal fetishes. That is never going to happen, sorry to disappoint you.

 

[luchettodj94]

It seems you fail to understand what many people enjoy about my game: The lightheartedness of everything.
There are no dangerous consequences. This is a fun, casual story about a few girls who enjoy being looked at. Not everyone likes the threat of being potentially raped
This is not a dark game. This will never be a dark game. Rape will never once play any part of the story or even be a remotely possible thing. I even resolve blackmail-y situations in the most enjoyable way for every character involved.

You are indeed right in saying that the "candle" of exposure in small environments burns up rather fast, and I don't want to escalate situations infinitely. Thus, my solution is to simply expand the cast and world whenever necessary. Which has worked perfectly fine until now, and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.
Also, this game isn't planned to last forever - I am already collecting character ideas, assets and storylines for the sequel.

I am not confusing nudism with exhibitionism, far from it. I was making a point that didn't seem to get across. Sorry about that, English is not my native language.

From all I've read from you I have to conclude that what you want from this game is a darker undertone, real consequences and danger, because that's one of your personal fetishes. That is never going to happen, sorry to disappoint you.

Meh.. this will be my last reply to this theme.
No.. never said what you should introduce neither that you shold adding rape content nor more dark content, i just tried to explain in few worlds how exhib is working and where your thoughts are going in that moment, more is the risk you are thinking more you hearth will be pump out more you get ecstasy in the end, no matter what is your opinion, in that moment you are going always to think to the worst sexual end to gain the sexual gratification, this is the base for a lot of shame kinks, you have to know ofc the risks first.

Pls do not try to undesrtand how and what I might think cause this is the worst idea that anyone can have to anybody. I willing to explain myself relatively easily, just do not assume

 

[ilovepublicnudity]

Meh.. this will be my last reply to this theme.
No.. never said what you should introduce neither that you shold adding rape content nor more dark content, i just tried to explain in few worlds how exhib is working and where your thoughts are going in that moment, more is the risk you are thinking more you hearth will be pump out more you get ecstasy in the end, no matter what is your opinion, in that moment you are going always to think to the worst sexual end to gain the sexual gratification, this is the base for a lot of shame kinks, you have to know ofc the risks first.

Pls do not try to undesrtand how and what I might think cause this is the worst idea that anyone can have to anybody. I willing to explain myself relatively easily, just do not assume

language barrier maybe? cause what feierflei said was exactly what I got from your posts as well. even from this last one.

 

[TheDevian]

Meh.. this will be my last reply to this theme.
No.. never said what you should introduce neither that you shold adding rape content nor more dark content, i just tried to explain in few worlds how exhib is working and where your thoughts are going in that moment, more is the risk you are thinking more you hearth will be pump out more you get ecstasy in the end, no matter what is your opinion, in that moment you are going always to think to the worst sexual end to gain the sexual gratification, this is the base for a lot of shame kinks, you have to know ofc the risks first.

Pls do not try to undesrtand how and what I might think cause this is the worst idea that anyone can have to anybody. I willing to explain myself relatively easily, just do not assume

This game is great the way it is, while it could use more options (something all games can benefit from), what it doesn't need are more men. The risks that are here, are more than enough.

From what I gather, you seem to be kink shaming.

 

[Lara Snow]

Sigh... I've never said that exhibitionism can't be done with the same sex but with our social structure the thrill, essential part of exhibitionism, will be simple slips cause mostly of the time it will be shout down as "what are you doing", the main plate of exhibitionism is what is will happen if get cought not the act itself (the embarrassment is also a key but a really small one compared), for female counterpart a huge one is eg. "I will be raped". Fantasies are good but they must somehow credible, it might happen that who might cought you will be a dominatrix but is a bit improbable. Pls do not confuse exhib with nudism cause they are a totally different thing and even in a imaginary word you can't get away with simple i'm a nudist out of blue (but ofc I got what you mean).

About the story you writing at this point she don't have even more the need to not be cought cause is accepted and also pushed to it (this candle burn really quickly), so end of the game and you are just a perv who want a quick. Reddit part with exposure context might be a good solution to add some spice with the thrill of being recognized, although not in the same city cause almost everybody already know but maybe old city and family.

Exhibitionism is not a simple theme to talk and even if it have let's say "multiple stage" such as get over the embarrassment and then start doing more bold stuff all have the main task to"not get cought or recognised", everything else is just masochism, eg. running naked in a stadium with an audience might get you the thrill but for the wrong things.

I understad your point about the Main Character at this point being encouraged to be naked and at least her friends and at school no one will judge her for loosing her clothes and that might be a detiretment to the thrill, I do not agree yet I understand your standpoint.

However... Why do you make it all about Lea??? The Main character is the most important one yes, but is also just another character. The trill you seek you can get from all the other girls, her classmantes, the new one, Natsumi, the teachers, the friends she made at the pool or at the beach, etc, slowly joining in into the nudism and exhibitionism (which of course are two different things..) Why the MC centric view? That's why most guys always love the same thing, a Male MC who fucks everything, just try to enjoy things as a viewer, a spectator, why self inserting so much to the point only the MC kinks and thrills matter? At least myself, I enjoy every girl. And every time a new girl starts to feel dragged into the nudie fun those are the moments I enjoy the most so far.

No.. never said what you should introduce neither that you shold adding rape content nor more dark content, i just tried to explain in few worlds how exhib is working and where your thoughts are going in that moment, more is the risk you are thinking more you hearth will be pump out more you get ecstasy in the end

That's fine and all, but these girls, are mostly lesbians, my heart would only pump on an exhibitionism situation if I were to be seen by a woman. Not only a be seen by man would be not sexy for me but also would ruin and stop all the fun, I will get scared and that's not a 'fun' risk I take into account. And I know I cannot talk for everyone, but this is a YURI game where girls are leaning towards HOMOSEXUAL big time and since I'm gay I can talk at least for Lea and most of her friends when I tell you exhibitionism as a lesbian only is fun when seen by fellow women.

 

[TheDevian]

I understad your point about the Main Character at this point being encouraged to be naked and at least her friends and at school no one will judge her for loosing her clothes and that might be a detiretment to the thrill, I do not agree yet I understand your standpoint.

However... Why do you make it all about Lea??? The Main character is the most important one yes, but is also just another character. The trill you seek you can get from all the other girls, her classmantes, the new one, Natsumi, the teachers, the friends she made at the pool or at the beach, etc, slowly joining in into the nudism and exhibitionism (which of course are two different things..) Why the MC centric view? That's why most guys always love the same thing, a Male MC who fucks everything, just try to enjoy things as a viewer, a spectator, why self inserting so much to the point only the MC kinks and thrills matter? At least myself, I enjoy every girl. And every time a new girl starts to feel dragged into the nudie fun those are the moments I enjoy the most so far.

There are plenty of places where she can get naked that is more taboo in the setting, like at work, on the street, in stores, outdoor jogging, etc. And of course, like you said, we have the joy of her friends also still being shy, but for me, as long as they are getting turned on by being seen, then I am excited by it.

I don't care if there is sex, in fact, I am almost happier without it. I am here for the exhibitionism, and the rest is just a bonus.

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[Lara Snow]

Yes, the atphosphere where everyone is subtle (at first) horny and they are all blushing yet nobody saying out loud as it scalates is fantastic.

For me the biggest thrill is the "join the fun" situation. That's why at this moment I'm more hype for Heather and Mira for example, wishing for them to join in and I will enjoy those scenes a lot :3

 

[thatguy49]

I'm gone for a few weeks and I come back to see this wholesome thread in jeopardy lol.

While I can understand the commenter's question regarding the less tense exhibition, the dev seems to have found their niche in creating a world that does away with the darker elements(rape, humiliation, bullying) already present in other exhibition games. Additionally, I think the common factor of hardcore heterosexual sex scenes in games has unfortunately made it an assumed expectation for any new game that is released. Not to knock one's interest in those scenes, since that is indeed why many play these games.

Also personally as a bi guy, I don't even need for there to be a male MC, watching the cute romance and sexy antics amongst the girls is good enough; it's like an adorable slice of life anime with sexy parts haha. I admire the dev for going full throttle in cementing this is a lesbian-centered game; having a bisexual MC just for the hell of it would contradict Lea's personality.

As I play more NSFW games, I've noticed I get more excited at the undressing and nudity parts as opposed to the actual sex scenes lol. One can find plenty of porn or games to fulfill their desire of raunchy sex, but the intimate story of an MC with their social circle coming to accept nudism/exhibitionism just hits different for me. I guess since I am someone that secretly aspires to nudism but is extremely shy about it, these type of games are a "safe" fantasy world that lets one explore without the real life consequences. Thus a game where your MC spreads the influence of nudism seems awesome, regardless of the characters' sexual orientations.

 

[Lara Snow]

I guess since I am someone that secretly aspires to nudism but is extremely shy about it

Awww, don't be! Go for it. Naturist people are among the most wholesome and welcoming you may find and befriend.

 

[thatguy49]

Awww, don't be! Go for it. Naturist people are among the most wholesome and welcoming you may find and befriend.

So I've heard; one day I'll work up the courage, but for now I have exhibitionist games to fill the void.

 

[jclosed]

Awww, don't be! Go for it. Naturist people are among the most wholesome and welcoming you may find and befriend.

I absolutely agree here. We made lots of good and long time friends this way. One side-effect is that things like social standing just (as long as undressed) seem to disappear for a big part. Without clothing to show-off your status, everyone is on (almost) equal terms. It makes people more relaxed against each other (well - At least that's our experience, I can't speak for others of course).

 

[baxtus]

Well it make sense mostly of what you said and as I already said I have nothing to lesbian itself cause it was everything enjoyable and liked the evolving, it just that sometimes it felt suffocating, as other already mention there are various titles that might showing that part of sexuallity without that akward feeling, like Naughty Lyanna or some parts of The Headmaster for mention couple, I don't think exclude mens, especially in common life, are a good solution as you miss something important moreover if you are talking about exposure cause the thrill just goes beyond with all the male stereotypes (thant not mean anyway you really have to do something with it) female exposure to other female it just put a stop itself to the storyline cause at some point (like in this story) everything goes to tolerance subject.

As a guy, I prefer pure Lesbian games, and feel that males and male body parts in games typically reduce the sexiness of a game, so I completely disagree, you don't lose anything by getting rid of males in games

Pretty much every game that has male characters, would be improved with replacing them with female characters

Especially if those characters are not the MC, occasionally you require a male MC for purposes of the story, but the other characters should all be female, and if you can use a female MC instead, it's always better

 

[Demoness_Kiss]

As a guy, I prefer pure Lesbian games, and feel that males and male body parts in games typically reduce the sexiness of a game, so I completely disagree, you don't lose anything by getting rid of males in games

Pretty much every game that has male characters, would be improved with replacing them with female characters

Especially if those characters are not the MC, occasionally you require a male MC for purposes of the story, but the other characters should all be female, and if you can use a female MC instead, it's always better

...and this is the true definition of homophobic...