VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.985] [WeirdWorld]

[KKStrider]

Man is just describing Alex Mercer.

 

[myst0501]

Public Release is out and pretty much fixed the infinite power/skill exploit.

Spoiler: Mostly Fixed

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[Zeca Suez]

This is the result of fighting the Diner thugs if you don't train.

Ah Yea the pseudo brain in the tail... first taste of corruption also one of the signs that this one was more special than any ordinary VN ... and it showed off the Writer's ability to infuriate the reader. Hated those hero Buttheads so much for so long after that scene, wrecking up my mini-harem.
Thanks for the info.

Public Release is out and pretty much fixed the infinite power/skill exploit.

Spoiler: Mostly Fixed

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Would have just settled for a high five from Zach for doing the whole run without needing him to use his save scumming hax even once.

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I have been wondering, Mc tanked on his poison for some time now, we haven't seen him using it since Jake and on a lvl 2 vs lvl 2 he needed multiple hits to get him into shock, that's not very efficient, however...

That is interesting... his control bug could lay dormant in an army of low levelers Like one of those parasites that take over the mind without being detected and therefore never being actively resisted by the body... heck even rabies can wreck the normal sentient functions of the brain.
Though I think he still needs a few more pieces for it to be perfectly effective. Ella's version still requires the creator of the "Object" to Recharge it from time to time... Imagine if MC figures out a way for it to be done remotely... or creates a semi-sentient parasitic version that just uses the host's body's energy to recharge/feed itself. A secret ending where the entire armies of H.E.R.O. and S.I.N. are just the MC's mindslave army... If MC manages to also have these parasites have a fraction of his mental abilities they could be used to keep the host docile or alter their view to fit towards serving the MC or even just completely take over their mind.

I doubt the Developer would go with that as a possible cannon ending where the MC and just choses to tell Both factions to go lick-a-dick while he takes over the majority, Heck he already has a fan force ... Demi wouldn't even need to be infected... It would be a Gothic Black wave of supporters for the MC. But who knows for sure what all is planned for the end ? An ending where MC rejects all factions is possible but in this manner it would be a villainous victory.

If nothing else then atleast the Living Liquid form is terrifying by itself. Don't take a glass of Vodka from the MC or David(from that alien movie Promethius)

 

[myst0501]

Would have just settled for a high five from Zach for doing the whole run without needing him to use his save scumming hax even once.

Jared wasn't the one that killed the MC he couldn't be that strong already ? I thought Charlie or Esheth or one of the other's got him once the cover was blown.

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[Trarr the undead old man]

Ain't this girl just straight up a Honey Select model?
'Cause she looks like it.

 

[Zeca Suez]

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Yeah

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Ain't this girl just straight up a Honey Select model?
'Cause she looks like it.
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Normal boobs ? She probably doesn't matter... Hopefully both the Moon twins just get devoured by MC's Twin babes... giving them a massive power boost and indestructible bodies for kinky weird fun time with the MC.

 

[rainwake]

You probably infected me then.



Sure, I can fact check that rainwake's optimal playthrough requires max relationship points with Emily.

Edit: Fun fact, Emily's romance is triggered during the sorority party (the one you play strip poker), and you can successfullly complete her route with as low as 7 relationship points.

Here's what you originally said:

I generally recommend to get the horn because the upfront power makes it easier to get Valravn's respect. If you use it solely for stat boosts, the horn allows you more flexibility than the eye. If you use it for the Aglaecwif's extra lore, then you need to do a high skill playthrough otherwise you will lack Valravn's respect and miss out on important content. This means you have to fight Michael using technique, and make sure you reach Valravn with 19 skill.

I agreed, that picking Horn is the better choice. Here's what I said:

The Horn & the Red Light monster (picking Right in SIN caves) seem to be necessary for both Purity and Corruption paths to meet the required stat thresholds for best Boss fight outcomes. Even if you can beat Valravn without Brianna's help in the Purity path due to 19 Skill, you'll be at 99 power (without the horn) for the Monster Deryl Fight.

For corruption, you need the horn to reach 83 power to beat Valravn w/out help (you'll have 18 Skill & I think doing the 1st Michael fight can give you that extra point in skill, but I don't know what other consequences you suffer from losing out on that early point in power). For the Monster Deryl Fight, you'll have 105 power & 29 Skill (without the horn), assuming you take Left path in SIN cave for +10 power & +3 Skill. But you'll be short 5 Power overall, compared to taking Horn and then picking Right in SIN caves

Here you go back on your earlier statement, because you speculate that there's an eventual greater payout if you don't give her the eye right now, but save it for the next time you meet her. So you recommend picking Eye + Right to avoid monster lady.

You can "savescum" to get Aglaecwif's lore, but this won't allow you to ask Valravn for the specifics because you will lack the variables. So even if you pick the eye in hopes to get more lore from Aglaecwif, without a skill playthrough you lose the extra content from Valravn since he won't talk to you.

2) If the player has not met Aglaecwif while in possession of the eye, it may become relevant the next time he meets her. Since this meeting will take place at a later time, and MC will be more powerful, I think that a +10 power / +3 skill will not cut it. So I expect that if this scenario happens, the rewards will end up being more significant, which may change the optimal path for max stats.

I misinterpreted that for recommending: pick Eye and Left, for monster lore. And then get more lore from Valravn. As opposed to what I knew was better: picking Horn (+10 power) and Right for (+5 power, +3 skill).

Here's what I said:

That's debatable....It's speculative, but I would not be surprised if saving Laurie, a superhuman with CC abilities, and special requirements to save, winds up paying dividends in the long run. Not unlike beating Valravn without Brianna's help.

Overall, I think the rewards for keeping certain characters alive and getting the best ending from fights has a bigger payoff than collecting lore. And it will probably continue to have a greater payoff moving forward...I would not be surprised if the story's true ending, depends on getting ideal outcomes and meeting very demanding stat cutoffs.

Here you say picking Eye isn't good at the moment (which agrees with what I was saying):

Again I didn't speculate anything of the sort. You are not answering to something that I said. I never told anyone how to play the game or how dead or alive characters will affect it, The only recommendation I gave was that the eye isn't the optimal choice as of current update.

Perhaps you are confused and answering to someone else.

Here you admit that picking Eye for a greater long run payoff is speculation

...the only actual point I've tried to make, which is speculation about the eye based on an educated guess after taking a look at the script.

In summary:
You recommended Horn (+ Right). Then you speculated that Picking Eye + Right will have greater payoff in the long run. And you said something about if you pick Left, you get lore and then more lore from Valravn. I misinterpreted that as a recommendation that picking Eye + Left is better than Horn + Right. I argued what you're saying is speculative and said that Horn + Right is better because you get to meet stat cutoffs to secure an optimal Monster Deryl fight + save Laurie. Better a tangible reward than monster lore.
Of course, that's not what you said. You were speculating that Eye + Right might have a better long run payoff. I still stand by what I said: picking Horn + Right is better because optimal Monster Deryl fight + saving Laurie is a better reward than a speculative long run reward.

That was the whole argument.

There was some debate about the true requirements for getting a good Deryl fight and for saving Laurie, whether or not there is stat snowballing, importance of Affection, as well as the validity of the supporting evidence I used, but that's all off topic.

 

[TheShelly]

Here's what you originally said:



I agreed, that picking Horn is the better choice. Here's what I said:



Here you go back on your earlier statement, because you speculate that there's an eventual greater payout if you don't give her the eye right now, but save it for the next time you meet her. So you recommend picking Eye + Right to avoid monster lady.





I misinterpreted that for recommending: pick Eye and Left, for monster lore. And then get more lore from Valravn. As opposed to what I knew was better: picking Horn (+10 power) and Right for (+5 power, +3 skill).

Here's what I said:


Here you say picking Eye isn't good at the moment (which agrees with what I was saying):



Here you admit that picking Eye for a greater long run payoff is speculation



In summary:
You recommended Horn (+ Right). Then you speculated that Picking Eye + Right will have greater payoff in the long run. And you said something about if you pick Left, you get lore and then more lore from Valravn. I misinterpreted that as a recommendation that picking Eye + Left is better than Horn + Right. I argued what you're saying is speculative and said that Horn + Right is better because you get to meet stat cutoffs to secure an optimal Monster Deryl fight + save Laurie. Better a tangible reward than monster lore.
Of course, that's not what you said. You were speculating that Eye + Right might have a better long run payoff. I still stand by what I said: picking Horn + Right is better because optimal Monster Deryl fight + saving Laurie is a better reward than a speculative long run reward.

That was the whole argument.

There was some debate about the true requirements for getting a good Deryl fight and for saving Laurie, whether or not there is stat snowballing, importance of Affection, as well as the validity of the supporting evidence I used, but that's all off topic.

Youre still on this? Who cares at this point, give it a rest.

 

[Gtdead]

@rainwake
Let's call it a misunderstanding and move forwards. At this rate someone will report us and the mods will destroy the thread once again. I don't really hold hard feelings anyway.

Ain't this girl just straight up a Honey Select model?
'Cause she looks like it.
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Not quite honey select, but gotta agree that her design is unique compared to the rest of the cast.

I have been wondering, Mc tanked on his poison for some time now, we haven't seen him using it since Jake and on a lvl 2 vs lvl 2 he needed multiple hits to get him into shock, that's not very efficient, however...

Mc can change his DNA to become other life forms, for a long time one of the most restricting things about his power is the fact that he cannot separate from his main body but now with mini Ella's lessons he might literally become a disease and consume people from inside, spread through physical contact or even air, adapt to the natural defenses of his enemies making it impossible to resist the infection or even lie dormant as a virus to act later, and he can do that out of nowhere or through your most trusted allies.
Other people might be flashy, making a miles high pillar of fire or blowing up mountains but Mc is the ultimate assassin and spy, no one is truly safe with him.
He can turn into liquid already, imagine as a lvl 5 if he could turn into a cloud of microscopic virus, move invisibly through the air and infect thousands of people, this is how deadly i envision this fucker being.

Good ideas. MC may need to train cellular control to do these, but being able to infect people is awesome and would send the horror elements to overdrive.

I personally hoped for a "memory parasite" ability, that causes pain, plagues the target with bad memories while feeding MC useful ones. It could be a natural progression on his poison abilities, which seem to be fairly well liked in the community.

Tbh, MC kind of regressed in this 2 last updates, at least compared to his Deryl fight. He showcased so many styles against Deryl. Huge tails, constriction, mantis attacks, memory attacks, ranged attacks, extreme mobility, shapeshifting attacks (the huge arrow). In the last 2 updates he has only progressed on his memory echo ability, but he seems to have some trouble combining his abilities. He will either use plate+mantis, his tails, light+tails, light+weapons. No shapeshifting tricks, no high speeds, no more memory attack, no combined attacks (sword+tails or burrowing traps for example), no ranged attacks, no body size increases.

So I think that it's unlikely we will see any advanced new abilities from MC in the near future. He will probably spend most if his time training his body and incorporating combined attacks, while making some use of his memory abilities. Hope I'm wrong though.

 

[weezal]

@rainwake
Let's call it a misunderstanding and move forwards. At this rate someone will report us and the mods will destroy the thread once again. I don't really hold hard feelings anyway.



Not quite honey select, but gotta agree that her design is unique compared to the rest of the cast.



Good ideas. MC may need to train cellular control to do these, but being able to infect people is awesome and would send the horror elements to overdrive.

I personally hoped for a "memory parasite" ability, that causes pain, plagues the target with bad memories while feeding MC useful ones. It could be a natural progression on his poison abilities, which seem to be fairly well liked in the community.

Tbh, MC kind of regressed in this 2 last updates, at least compared to his Deryl fight. He showcased so many styles against Deryl. Huge tails, constriction, mantis attacks, memory attacks, ranged attacks, extreme mobility, shapeshifting attacks (the huge arrow). In the last 2 updates he has only progressed on his memory echo ability, but he seems to have some trouble combining his abilities. He will either use plate+mantis, his tails, light+tails, light+weapons. No shapeshifting tricks, no high speeds, no more memory attack, no combined attacks (sword+tails or burrowing traps for example), no ranged attacks, no body size increases.

So I think that it's unlikely we will see any advanced new abilities from MC in the near future. He will probably spend most if his time training his body and incorporating combined attacks, while making some use of his memory abilities. Hope I'm wrong though.

well that was right after an evolution so MC was in full sync with his powers

 

[KingAgamemnon]

@rainwake
Let's call it a misunderstanding and move forwards. At this rate someone will report us and the mods will destroy the thread once again. I don't really hold hard feelings anyway.



Not quite honey select, but gotta agree that her design is unique compared to the rest of the cast.



Good ideas. MC may need to train cellular control to do these, but being able to infect people is awesome and would send the horror elements to overdrive.

I personally hoped for a "memory parasite" ability, that causes pain, plagues the target with bad memories while feeding MC useful ones. It could be a natural progression on his poison abilities, which seem to be fairly well liked in the community.

Tbh, MC kind of regressed in this 2 last updates, at least compared to his Deryl fight. He showcased so many styles against Deryl. Huge tails, constriction, mantis attacks, memory attacks, ranged attacks, extreme mobility, shapeshifting attacks (the huge arrow). In the last 2 updates he has only progressed on his memory echo ability, but he seems to have some trouble combining his abilities. He will either use plate+mantis, his tails, light+tails, light+weapons. No shapeshifting tricks, no high speeds, no more memory attack, no combined attacks (sword+tails or burrowing traps for example), no ranged attacks, no body size increases.

So I think that it's unlikely we will see any advanced new abilities from MC in the near future. He will probably spend most if his time training his body and incorporating combined attacks, while making some use of his memory abilities. Hope I'm wrong though.

We're gonna be at Level 3 for a while longer. I'd say we have a few more "arcs" (for lack of a better term) before we start thinking about leveling up again.

 

[Gtdead]

We're gonna be at Level 3 for a while longer. I'd say we have a few more "arcs" (for lack of a better term) before we start thinking about leveling up again.

I'm not talking about leveling up. I'm talking about MC training his abilities and finding better applications and more efficient ways to use them, like he did as a level 1 and a level 2.

If anything, I expect MC to stay as a level 3 for about 80 ingame days (not taking time lapses into account).

 

[myst0501]

I'm not talking about leveling up. I'm talking about MC training his abilities and finding better applications and more efficient ways to use them, like he did as a level 1 and a level 2.

If anything, I expect MC to evolve in about 80 ingame days (not taking time lapses into account) after the Diamond Battle.

Oddly specific. Not that I disagree, but why 80 days?

 

[KingAgamemnon]

I'm not talking about leveling up. I'm talking about MC training his abilities and finding better applications and more efficient ways to use them, like he did as a level 1 and a level 2.

If anything, I expect MC to stay as a level 3 for about 80 ingame days (not taking time lapses into account).

I meant it in the sense that we have time for the MC to explore his new abilities and their applications at their own pace before we hit the next evolution and get even more crazy abilities.

As for 80 days, I sort of figured once we hit level three we would slow down. Based on what we learned from that 4 elements dude that turned into a tree, Level 3 is the point where things slow down and become more dangerous for those wanting to evolve further. It would feel a little weird if the end result is that despite almost all Level 5s we know having taken years to get to that point, we'd get there after only 1 1/2 - 2 years. Besides, we also know that Xanthe is saving our last serum for the Level 5 transformation, so I have the feeling we're gonna spend more time at Level 3 than any other Level. Aside from Level 5, cause it seems like shit will get real once we get that far.

EDIT: Oh, ingame days, not time lapses? I can see that, that makes more sense.

 

[Gtdead]

Oddly specific. Not that I disagree, but why 80 days?

I tried once to calculate possible power ranges for the game's superhumans and how evolutions work (why 20 and 200 power gains?). I have observed that MC's power/evolution gains fall into a specific pattern. I don't know if WW planned for it, it just happened naturally or my observation is wrong but just happened to fit the data (which is likely since the data sample is very small).

MC stayed 42 days as level 1 and 58 days as level 2.
Without getting into much detail, the next number that fits the observed pattern is 58 * (58/42) = 80~

 

[KingAgamemnon]

I tried once to calculate possible power ranges for the game's superhumans and how evolutions work (why 20 and 200 power gains?). I have observed that MC's power/evolution gains fall into a specific pattern. I don't know if WW planned for it, it just happened naturally or my observation is wrong but just happened to fit the data (which is likely since the data sample is very small).

Without getting into much detail, the next number that fits the observed pattern is 58 * (58/42) = 80~

...But I want the detail

 

[Ddlc]

@rainwake
Let's call it a misunderstanding and move forwards. At this rate someone will report us and the mods will destroy the thread once again. I don't really hold hard feelings anyway.



Not quite honey select, but gotta agree that her design is unique compared to the rest of the cast.



Good ideas. MC may need to train cellular control to do these, but being able to infect people is awesome and would send the horror elements to overdrive.

I personally hoped for a "memory parasite" ability, that causes pain, plagues the target with bad memories while feeding MC useful ones. It could be a natural progression on his poison abilities, which seem to be fairly well liked in the community.

Tbh, MC kind of regressed in this 2 last updates, at least compared to his Deryl fight. He showcased so many styles against Deryl. Huge tails, constriction, mantis attacks, memory attacks, ranged attacks, extreme mobility, shapeshifting attacks (the huge arrow). In the last 2 updates he has only progressed on his memory echo ability, but he seems to have some trouble combining his abilities. He will either use plate+mantis, his tails, light+tails, light+weapons. No shapeshifting tricks, no high speeds, no more memory attack, no combined attacks (sword+tails or burrowing traps for example), no ranged attacks, no body size increases.

So I think that it's unlikely we will see any advanced new abilities from MC in the near future. He will probably spend most if his time training his body and incorporating combined attacks, while making some use of his memory abilities. Hope I'm wrong though.

We did focus a lot on memory abilities lately, though i think it makes sense, since the memory abilities were lagging behind with very little progress for so long.

Mc could have both the deadly infection powers and the memory parasyte one, though i assume using both would be even more brutal, imagine someone dying from an unknow disease that prevents the body from reacting by adapting and changing all the time while being tortured by horrible memories, forgetting about everything including their own powers while feedind Mc all useful information they come across.

As for the new uses for his other powers i guess we really didn't see much, battle royale was just base mc without any sheapeshifting, the escape was just a double mantis bonk on Eishet, the missions were very quick and with almost no fighting involved, only the ending was promissing and i guess Mc was using his speed form to avoid hits since Evander can seriously fuck him up.

For the next update at least from the start i think we won't see much new shapeshifting but i expect to see a more consistent use of memory abilities during the fights, my theory is that Shen will fuck up by acessing Mc's memories, this will allow Mc to not just learn more about his past but also help him understand his own powers, from what i remember Mommy 4rth can use memory at distance, so Mc will counter attack Shen by instinct (powers protect their users passively), this will give him some insight on how to use memory at distance and offensively.

 

[ffive]

If anything, I expect MC to stay as a level 3 for about 80 ingame days (not taking time lapses into account).

At the rate of a week covered per update that'd be more than 10 updates. Unless there's a time skip in there, not really seeing it.

 

[Gtdead]

...But I want the detail

Ok I'll try to explain the main gist. Do note that I'll make a lot of assumptions.

The basic premise is that MC gets 3~ times better at everything after evolving, by comparing level 1 and level 2. This is what happened:

Level 1 MC gains on average 0.33 (14/42) power per day.
The usual ranges to complete the level 1 story arc is 9-14 I think.
When MC evolves he becomes about 3 times as powerful as he used to be. (29-34 vs 9-14)

Level 2 MC gains on average 1.1 (66/58) power per day.
The usual ranges to complete the level 2 story arc is 90-115 power.
When MC evolves he again becomes about 3 times as powerful as he used to be (290-315 vs 90-115)

When 0.96 dropped, I calculated how many power points MC could get. These are the "power gains" data for 0.96
Days at level 3: 12
Gains:
10 - Nyx's Serum
10 - Fighting Asura
10 - Training 1
3 - Training 2
15 - Shopkeep

48 power points over 12 days. This means an improvement rate of 4, which is close enough to my premise.


From there on, there are two ways to proceed.

Possibility 1 - It will continue in a linear fashion:
The reason I don't like this possibility is because it means that MC will improve at 3.5~ power per day and reach around 900 total power, which will take him 170 in game days. This seems like too much time. I expect the game to barely last 250 ingame days

Possibility 2 - Normalize it somehow:
I've been thinking, if I take the level 2 data and divide them with the level 1 data, I will get some factors that I can apply to level 2 data to predict how level 3 will behave. If I do this, the power improvement rate stays similar. So I applied to anything that made sense, made some calculations and I quite liked what I saw.

So from the possibility 2, I predicted that MC will have a power improvement rate of 1.1 * (1.1/0.33) = 3.8~ per day and he will stay at level 3 for 58 * (58/42) = 80~ days. MC will finish this level with around 650-750 power and reach level 4 with about 2000 power.

I compared this progression to monster reports and some ingame dialogue (Asura power level, Lt Duncan's power in comparison to level 5s) and I like it a lot more than the linear one.

At the rate of a week covered per update that'd be more than 10 updates. Unless there's a time skip in there, not really seeing it.

Considering that the general consensus is that the game is about half done, staying level 3 for 10 updates is acceptable. We have already gone through 3 of them and I expect the twin arc to last 3 more updates.

Additionally MC doesn't really have to stay long at level 4 thanks to the evolution serum so WW can jumpstart the endgame without too much hassle if he wants to.

Some more info:

The game started back in 2021-Feb-13 with
Level 1 and 2: 0.1. 0.2, 0.3, 0.4, 0.5, 0.6, 0.65, 0.7, 0.75, 0.8, 0.85, 0.88, 0.9, 0.92, 0.94 and lastly 0.95 where MC evolves.
Level 3: 0.95, 0.96, 0.97

I think it's fair to assume that there is no way MC will evolve before 1.0. There exists some possibility that things will get nasty and MC will evolve at this point, but to me it feels a bit too rushed. MC hasn't even begun to explore his level 3 capabilities.

While WW's version numbers aren't consistent, the increments are smaller than they used to be, so I expect to see 0.98 and 0.99 before 1.0.

 

[Zeca Suez]

Doubt he will take Years like the H.e.r.o. higher ups if nothing else than just because it would make kind of a boring story to follow unless the story has some unprecedented massive time jumps, a whole lost in space section where MC gets teleported to some far off monster overrun ruined world where he has to constantly fight, kill and absorb monsters to survive. Until he finds a fissure in spacetime or is found... and then comes back to exact his vengeance. No nvm too fanfictiony...

I doubt anyone will disagree that he will be evolving anytime before he manages to finish recollecting most of his memories of his mother... The Lady practically told him to select her as his spirit guide when we saw that training scene where he unlocks the memory of her telling her creepy bed time story during the stormy night. Seems like she is going to be needed for the next or final evolution to bring MC back into control of his senses instead of just monstering out.

Another hint to her still being in the MC's human-monster hybrid mind could be when you accept the Arbiter's offer to take over and let him be born but have low to almost no corruption... then your final thoughts are not fighting Deus ... you just sink into an abyss with a comforting voice there with you soothing you to peace, doubt that is anyone but his Mom.
Can't wait to uncover more of his past and finally find out what's up with those jacked up eyes... scars that don't even heal when you get new hybrid bod which has Perfect as the default setting. Wonder if the scars are some kind of Imprint she left on him while protecting him from something, and the scars remain as a symbol of still quietly always being with him... Damn it did I just unknowingly turn his backstory into Goth Harry Potter.