VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.986] [WeirdWorld]

[Rutonat]

The problem with branching paths is that it adds an absurd amount of work for games made on Renpy, which relies HEAVILY on variables in its coding.
Making a completely different path, say, joining SIN instead of HERO for example, not only means that much more writting to do, but it also means making what's basically a completely different game, narration-wise. Because side-events end up getting impacted, the story is therefore different (given how the MC is the key to all major events), the amount of variables to track also expands exponentially.

In the end, that would mean double the amount of work. And that's only for one branching path.
Now imagine, taking ItzSyther 's example, the party Fight or Flight. Imagine if WeirdWorld added that branching path. You therefore get two paths. Later on, when HERO vs SIN comes, that makes a total of 4 paths (Fight-SIN, Fight-HERO, Flight-SIN, Flight-HERO). But there might have been also the option to stay on the run, which means two more paths.
And if, later down the road, there are another branching to add, that multiply the number of roads by two, again !

It sounds amazing on paper, but as far as I know, WW works alone on this game. That means branching paths would either make each update tiny, content-wise, rather than having as much content as currently per udpate, for every single path, or each path would get updated one after the other, making the progress of the overall story that much slower.

And when you add variables into the mix, that means one modification in a variable would have disastrous consequences with the amount of other things dependent on it through each path.

Given the scope of the story and it's sheer length, for a solo dev, not branching paths is absolutely the smarter decision.

Branching paths, when it comes to amateur porn games, are better suited for shorter and faster stories. Superhuman is more on the grand scope, slow burner side of things.

 

[RonaldGrand6969]

The problem with branching paths is that it adds an absurd amount of work for games made on Renpy, which relies HEAVILY on variables in its coding.
Making a completely different path, say, joining SIN instead of HERO for example, not only means that much more writting to do, but it also means making what's basically a completely different game, narration-wise. Because side-events end up getting impacted, the story is therefore different (given how the MC is the key to all major events), the amount of variables to track also expands exponentially.

In the end, that would mean double the amount of work. And that's only for one branching path.
Now imagine, taking ItzSyther 's example, the party Fight or Flight. Imagine if WeirdWorld added that branching path. You therefore get two paths. Later on, when HERO vs SIN comes, that makes a total of 4 paths (Fight-SIN, Fight-HERO, Flight-SIN, Flight-HERO). But there might have been also the option to stay on the run, which means two more paths.
And if, later down the road, there are another branching to add, that multiply the number of roads by two, again !

It sounds amazing on paper, but as far as I know, WW works alone on this game. That means branching paths would either make each update tiny, content-wise, rather than having as much content as currently per udpate, for every single path, or each path would get updated one after the other, making the progress of the overall story that much slower.

And when you add variables into the mix, that means one modification in a variable would have disastrous consequences with the amount of other things dependent on it through each path.

Given the scope of the story and it's sheer length, for a solo dev, not branching paths is absolutely the smarter decision.

Branching paths, when it comes to amateur porn games, are better suited for shorter and faster stories. Superhuman is more on the grand scope, slow burner side of things.

It should be noted Ella wanted us to join her team eventually seeming pretty confident in it happening later on after hearing we had joined H.E.R.O. Perhaps somewhere down the line H.E.R.O will be too busy with the Lords or something and not have time to warden Superhumans. While she was surprised by Mailk's speed to the scene it didn't seem like she was all to worried about H.E.R.O's attack in the first place, maybe her side isn't all that weak, especially considering she can use S.I.N's higher up resources to make Superhumans all the more threatening along with any other Monster side secrets.

It would make a great leeway into the Monster side of the plot which is obviously end game shit anyways, and Ella is at the pinnacle of monster info.

 

[ItzSyther]

It would make a great leeway into the Monster side of the plot which is obviously end game shit anyways, and Ella is at the pinnacle of monster info.

If I remember right towards the end of this most recent update Deryl asks MC to join him in learning more about monsters and even potentially gaining abilities similar to theirs, like with his scythe (pretty sure he got that due to monster fuckery yeah?). I hope this upcoming update (and those after) will explore that so we can get more knowledge about monsters other than from the treasure trove of it known as Ella.

Shit Deryl sounded very hyped about it as well and even states "They'll become the strongest in HERO" because of it. I'm kinda hyped to explore monsters and what better incentive then becoming a literal power house eh?

 

[RonaldGrand6969]

If I remember right towards the end of this most recent update Deryl asks MC to join him in learning more about monsters and even potentially gaining abilities similar to theirs, like with his scythe (pretty sure he got that due to monster fuckery yeah?). I hope this upcoming update (and those after) will explore that so we can get more knowledge about monsters other than from the treasure trove of it known as Ella.

Shit Deryl sounded very hyped about it as well and even states "They'll become the strongest in HERO" because of it. I'm kinda hyped to explore monsters and what better incentive then becoming a literal power house eh?

The human race is about to face extinction and instead of seeking the fountain of wisdom (Ella) out for answers either directly or in sneaky fashion, we are playing pretend hero with H.E.R.O. Making fun little toy monster parts with Deryl, as if he'll accomplish something new that Dr. genius Xanthe hasn't already tried his entire time here. Getting big promotions so we can actually have our rights back as a pat on the back for being a glorified slave to a corporate Superhuman system. No thanks, H.E.R.O hasn't delivered anything of interest yet other than telling me classified monsters and Superhuman Lvls, the latter being something we pretty much already knew (save for the details) and the former being just a rough estimate of a threat, your body tells you that already, plus you could probably just relate them to Superhuman lvls anyway and be just fine.

The armor is pretty much the only thing I'm still interested in at H.E.R.O, and maybe the cash. The serum is too iffy for my taste and information wise H.E.R.O is too busy being in the dark to do anything worthwhile, if I'm not mistaken it took US to:

-Extract information out of a god damn crow
-Speak to Aglaecwif and learn more than H.E.R.O ever has in over 80 years.
-Have dreams relating to monster speech
-Evolve
-Grow our powers.

All the species on the planet and Xanthe the all knowing gives us a fucking spider web, something we could've looked up on Google, congratu-fucking-lations, H.E.R.O is SO helpful. And to top it off I believe they still think Ella is just this useless thorn in their side they can get rid of and be better off with, but she's done more with Monsters and general Superhuman info than H.E.R.O has in the last 80 years.

My question is why haven't the Lvl 5's said anything? Mainly Malik, he's super pro life so if every Evolution you have a deeper connection to your progenitor, and Mailk did it naturally; why hasn't he informed H.E.R.O about it? I mean fuck even Bernhardt speaks Monster they don't find that the least bit curious? That lead to NOTHING about the monsters? A fucking sewer Miniak I guess told us more in our brief interaction with it than Bernhardt's, Henrik's, and Malik's 5th Evolutions or Monster speech combined. I mean they LITERALLY have a habit of talking out of their ass about their Lords and purpose for being here yet they know NOTHING STILL??? I guess NONE of them have encountered a monster with speech and you know; had a conversation with it even a little? It didn't even mouth off grand scheme shit in front of them? 80 years and none of that? I feel like even the first time we encountered Valravn he gave us clues on a lot of stuff, but they've never seen anything of his caliber of intelligence in all these years? Nothing convo note worthy?

Edit: That was a long rant, I apologize.

 

[BruceBerserk]

random question, who is Charlie's brother?

Charlie has been seen trying to get her brother out of H.E.R.O, we know thats why she works for Ella, we also know this brother is either dead or in some incapacitated state from what we've heard from ella, we know he fought something from Charlies dream that was probably a superhuman or monster.

I've seen someone say Oscar is her brother which makes a lot of sense seeing in his backstory he fought a monster, became superhuman, with his sister going missing around that time, and his body after being slain in a duel by Michael is being held for Research by H.E.R.O, is this the common consensus of the community

 

[ItzSyther]

random question, who is Charlie's brother?

Charlie has been seen trying to get her brother out of H.E.R.O, we know thats why she works for Ella, we also know this brother is either dead or in some incapacitated state from what we've heard from ella, we know he fought something from Charlies dream that was probably a superhuman or monster.

I've seen someone say Oscar is her brother which makes a lot of sense seeing in his backstory he fought a monster, became superhuman, with his sister going missing around that time, and his body after being slain in a duel by Michael is being held for Research by H.E.R.O, is this the common consensus of the community

Oscar is her brother.

 

[ItzSyther]

Making fun little toy monster parts with Deryl, as if he'll accomplish something new that Dr. genius Xanthe hasn't already tried his entire time here.

In fairness, so far we haven't encountered anyone like Deryl or the MC (except Ella) whatever Xanthe tried it didn't involve whatever Deryl or MC are/can do.

Deryl and MC are rather unique in the case of Deryl he has shown capability of incorporating other monster powers into him quite physically meanwhile the MC can do it via their memories although it doesn't compare directly to what Deryl can do.

And while yes, we are effectively making toy monster parts it'll give us the edge we need to become stronger by utilizing monster memories. With Deryl's help we can achieve a lot.

I'm just saying we haven't seen Xanthe even try to do (via experiments) what MC and Deryl may do to gain monster powers/memories except during the time he gave the MC a spider (again MC is probably the first shapeshifter he has had the chance to work with...at least from what I/we know?).

 

[RonaldGrand6969]

So I just had a potential obvious theory that just popped into my head in light of my recent rant; what if the Lvl 5s are fully aware of everything, but they aren't revealing it to Xanthe or Dexter.

Through my replay, I'm just now realizing how dispensable those 2 are compared to the rest of the Council (Lvl 5s). We've got:
-Bernhardt who doesn't really even care about the human race and doesn't even seem himself as such.
-Nyx who'd rather kill for Corruption and a power growth then care about morals, with that level of Corruption she HAS to know SOMETHING.
-Lucius who only cares about himself, why bother saving the planet?

On the other hand we have probably the more truthful members to the actual goal of saving humanity among other things:
-Malik who does seem to truly care about human lives and bettering society.
-Zack who used his power to practically save humanity from unpredictable attacks across the globe.

Out of those 5 only TWO have made it to Lvl 5 NATURALLY, though the rest still made it to 4 and at 3 for the MC, we were having a full blown conversation with our progenitor.

Say they know about the Apostles, and that the 5 of them obviously couldn't take on all 12 let alone if they actually descended personally with their forces to boot; why reveal that painfully outmatched info?
Imagine you asked the City of New York to stop a nuke that was headed towards their city right now, how do you think they'd handle it? Now imagine if you said there could POTENTIALLY be a nuclear bomb, you now have time to prepare without the literal and confirmed notion of your most trusted practical Gods telling you there IS going to be one and we can't stop it even if we tried.

I may be wrong but I just find it VERY hard to believe after 80 years, speaking to monsters, and getting to Lvl 5 alone; they know next to NOTHING about monsters

 

[Gtdead]

There are some huge differences between what Xanthe can do, and what Deryl + MC can do with monsters. One is a brilliant human scientist but without any inhrerent intuition that is forced to research corpses and whatever weaklings can be caught alive while doing experiments on humans that may or may not work, the other two are superhumans with a natural affinity for it, one being able to read their genetic memories and replicate them wholly or in part, and the other being able to combine them into new forms, improving them, which sounds to me a lot like a feedback loop, a cheat if you will. Additionally MC and Deryl becoming the strongest motherfuckers in HERO seems to me like a great step towards beating whatever the actual antagonist of the story has planned.

And considering who put them in this path (Ella), I'm sure that if she knew a better and faster way for MC and the rest of her chosen to become strong, she wouldn't let them join HERO in the first place. She has said time and again that the only thing that matters is MC getting strong.

As far as MC and most other characters know, the extinction event can be prevented by populating the sectors with combat ready superhumans of relatively low level, that can hold the line against weaker monsters, while leaving the big stuff to the level 5s. That's all that is mentioned about it. Perhaps there is more and HERO heads stay tight lipped about it, but anything more than that is speculation.

For Xanthe and the rest of the humans, monsters are unbeatable with current technology. The weakest level 5 has completely ascended humanity and can't be beaten no matter what. Alexis who is not the weakest of the level 5s has trouble beating Goliath which means that it's probably enough to completely wipe humanity of the face of the earth and I doubt that Goliath was the strongest monster that took part in this battle.

 

[ItzSyther]

So I just had a potential obvious theory that just popped into my head in light of my recent rant; what if the Lvl 5s are fully aware of everything, but they aren't revealing it to Xanthe or Dexter.

I mean honestly the lvl 5s could hide whatever they wish and even if it came to light it's not like Xanthe or Dexter could do anything about it...although Deus could intervene.

I don't know the limitations of his power (time travel) like how far exactly can he go or whatever.

Nico is a good example, we know the fact she can yeet the MC into space and even bring a portion of the fucking sun to hit Ella with but can she yeet someone into another solar system? We don't know. She's probably only limited to our own solar system or just the inner solar system at the moment (but that is just a guess).

 

[RonaldGrand6969]

I mean honestly the lvl 5s could hide whatever they wish and even if it came to light it's not like Xanthe or Dexter could do anything about it...although Deus could intervene.

I don't know the limitations of his power (time travel) like how far exactly can he go or whatever.

Nico is a good example, we know the fact she can yeet the MC into space and even bring a portion of the fucking sun to hit Ella with but can she yeet someone into another solar system? We don't know. She's probably only limited to our own solar system or just the inner solar system at the moment (but that is just a guess).

I've determined Nicolette is nothing special in the grand scheme of things. Time and time again she's just proven a useful tool. Couldn't catch a god damn crow, damn near got manhandled by a bunch of Lvl 3 Ella kids (with the monster ofc but still), couldn't beat Ella while boosted and teamed up, yet talks more shit than any of the other characters in the game combined, even to respected members like Zack.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

I've determined Nicolette is nothing special in the grand scheme of things. Time and time again she's just proven a useful tool. Couldn't catch a god damn crow, damn near got manhandled by a bunch of Lvl 3 Ella kids (with the monster ofc but still), couldn't beat Ella while boosted and teamed up, yet talks more shit than any of the other characters in the game combined, even to respected members like Zack.

Ah, I see we're back on this Nico thing with terrible observation skills and entirely ignoring context, once again. You already knew this was coming the minute you typed it.

Remind me, what this "crow's" ability is and how, not just Nico, be every other high ranking HERO agent failed to capture it again? I've developed selective amnesia just like you it seems. Feel free to say what's Valravn special ability is for everyone to see. I'll wait but I have a feeling it's going to be nothing but side stepping. Also, it seems you forgot that Ella also nearly failed at capturing him while having Cole and the others as her back up. Even though Val was sleeping and they woke him up.

"Got Manhandled by 3 level 3 kids". Oh wow, Cole was really doing damage with that hole in his chest. Briar was too as he was bleeding out while Zara watched. Meanwhile, she was taking on an S-Class Hex, with one hand, who shares the same abilities as her. Brilliant. It's not like Ella didn't fold to Lexi and Clark in the park but we both know you're going to deflect and bring up the serum while scrutinizing Nico. Even though she was fighting Hex during the entire thing while Cole was trying his best to hurt her. That's why I'll save you time so you don't have to do gymnastics. I heard it puts a strain on the brain.

We also can't forget the good old "boosted" and "ganging up" talk when Ella literally prepared for Nico herself by building a body underground to counter her specifically. But no, only what Nico did matters. It's not like Ella didn't prep everything just so she wouldn't get murdered by HERO. Using your logic, Ella wouldn't have needed to prep at all since Nico is weak trash.

Since I'm petty, let's go over what Ella did. She ran from Lexi and Clark in the park. She ran again from Lexi and Clark after Infiltrating. It was to the point that she went into hiding because they were going to kill her. This update, she ran from Malik and got bodied by Nyx, after trying to run, yet again. Damn, for some special character, she has a habit of running away. Did I do it right? Did I manage to ignore all context to shit on a character? Tell me please, I'm begging you!

See? we all can ignore context and trash characters. Hilarious part is, Nico didn't run from Ella and yet in majority of Ella fights, she tried to run away. Boy, I'm glad Nico is "nothing special in the grand scheme of things", she couldn't skip leg day anymore with all that running required.

 

[RonaldGrand6969]

Ah, I see we're back on this Nico thing with terrible observation skills and entirely ignoring context, once again. You already knew this was coming the minute you typed it.

Remind me, what this "crow's" ability is and how, not just Nico, be every other high ranking HERO agent failed to capture it again? I've developed selective amnesia just like you it seems. Feel free to say what's Valravn special ability is for everyone to see. I'll wait but I have a feeling it's going to be nothing but side stepping. Also, it seems you forgot that Ella also nearly failed at capturing him while having Cole and the others as her back up. Even though Val was sleeping and they woke him up.

"Got Manhandled by 3 level 3 kids". Oh wow, Cole was really doing damage with that hole in his chest. Briar was too as he was bleeding out while Zara watched. Meanwhile, she was taking on an S-Class Hex, with one hand, who shares the same abilities as her. Brilliant. It's not like Ella didn't fold to Lexi and Clark in the park but we both know you're going to deflect and bring up the serum while scrutinizing Nico. Even though she was fighting Hex during the entire thing while Cole was trying his best to hurt her. That's why I'll save you time so you don't have to do gymnastics. I heard it puts a strain on the brain.

We also can't forget the good old "boosted" and "ganging up" talk when Ella literally prepared for Nico herself by building a body underground to counter her specifically. But no, only what Nico did matters. It's not like Ella didn't prep everything just so she wouldn't get murdered by HERO. Using your logic, Ella wouldn't have needed to prep at all since Nico is weak trash.

Since I'm petty, let's go over what Ella did. She ran from Lexi and Clark in the park. She ran again from Lexi and Clark after Infiltrating. It was to the point that she went into hiding because they were going to kill her. This update, she ran from Malik and got bodied by Nyx, after trying to run, yet again. Damn, for some special character, she has a habit of running away. Did I do it right? Did I manage to ignore all context to shit on a character? Tell me please, I'm begging you!

See? we all can ignore context and trash characters. Hilarious part is, Nico didn't run from Ella and yet in majority of Ella fights, she tried to run away. Boy, I'm glad Nico is "nothing special in the grand scheme of things", she couldn't skip leg day anymore with all that running required.

I love you Drako but one of these days Nico is going to teleport you into the sun if heaven forbid you cheat on her with Mommy the 4th.

1. So for those that don't know, Valravn has Saitama levels of SERIOUS SIDE STEPING, it's unreal. I guess that's how Ella at Lvl 4 and her 4 lvl 3 kids beat it despite it having that ability AND being stronger at the time. But when it's weaker, and a Lvl 5 INSTANT teleporting bitch can't catch it; that's some serious skill issues. While I know the side stepping is an ability that works against unorthodox abilities like Nicolette's, it doesn't deter from the FACT that she talks so much shit despite not being able to grab a god damn crow; huge L when a bunch of orphans can do better.

2. What can I say, I'm a glutton for punishment. Sure Nicolette was fighting the Hex along with the influence of 2 lvl 3s, but she's so high and self proclaimed mighty those little flies shouldn't be able to get her She's so useless she must have been outmatched of course, that much can be forgiven, not like Ella was under the same circumstance and still pretty much won (Nico being the Hex and the other 2 being Cole and Zara). As far as the Ella thing goes you're right, she did fold, it's almost like she was kicking their ass TILL THEY GOT AN EVOLUTION HIGH, how is this even a comparison

3. Now let me die on this hill...Ella is wrong for prepping against a bunch of Lvl 5s and having generally less time as a Lvl 5 than all the other H.E.R.O members. Nicolette not only talks about how much she is going to destroy Ella, but also GETS A BOOST FROM CLARK another lvl 5, I CANNOT emphasize that enough. Ella is then fighting not only a powered Nicolette longer time lvl 5, but also a lvl 4 and long time lvl 3. But okay, even if we ignore the powered up Nicolette in exchange for the underground bodies argument; she is still being teamed up on and Nicolette still has months if not a year on Ella of gained power from being a lvl 5 first. Yet, with ALLLLL that shit talking, she STILL was at the mercy of Ella till her valiant knight Malik came AND Nyx, 2 80+ years of lvl 4 and years of lvl 5 to save her; fuck off with that copium.

4. Correct she ran from 2 evolution high lvl 5s, good job Dr. Xanthe. Yep, she ran from the stacked H.E.R.O base with a bunch of lvl 5s that could come at any moment to make it an unfair fight. Better yet there were 2 lvl 5s there anyways. But say all of that is useless, at least her goal was only the serum and she succeeded thus leaving, unlike high mighty Nicolette with the FAILED goal of capturing a crow and killing Ella. Yeah she had to lay low, hiding not so much, H.E.R.O had a grand meeting to showcase just how fucking stupid they all are despite their resources, Zack, or teleporting wanderkin. I think you're missing remembering, I seem to recall Ella being up against not 1, but 2 lvl 5s at that point of the fight, and that was after her main victory against the oh so mighty Nicolette, Gernhard or whatever the fuck his name is, and random blonde bitch, nice try tho.

You did gud bud, not only did you try to shit on my ignored context, but you actively are hypocritical in your hilarious after comment, being that while Ella may "strategically retreat" I like to call it; Nicolette can only teleport this big ass L down her throat with all the failure she's been spittin out of that loud ass mouth. Congratulations, and I love you *mic drop*

Edit: but seriously no ill will, it's just a game and I love this community, Drako included......the cunt.

 

[dd82]

I guess Ella being so powerful has a lot to do with her "almost" having developed both the body and the memory trait. She must have really been close to having both. Also, how well you do in a fight against another Superhuman is largely based on what your powers let you do, it's not just a "new level 5" against a "longtime level 3 a level 4 and a level 5". Ella is so powerful, because she (like the MC) is an expert in survival and unexpected maneuvers, and because she has a lot of knowledge about monsters.

Do we know how many Superhumans actually reached their fifth evolution without using that serum? Can't be that many. Even Ella was stuck on level 4 for a long time.

 

[RonaldGrand6969]

I guess Ella being so powerful has a lot to do with her "almost" having developed both the body and the memory trait. She must have really been close to having both. Also, how well you do in a fight against another Superhuman is largely based on what your powers let you do, it's not just a "new level 5" against a "longtime level 3 a level 4 and a level 5". Ella is so powerful, because she (like the MC) is an expert in survival and unexpected maneuvers, and because she has a lot of knowledge about monsters.

Do we know how many Superhumans actually reached their fifth evolution without using that serum? Can't be that many. Even Ella was stuck on level 4 for a long time.

If I'm not mistaken Ella doesn't have the Memory trait, but does converse with the 4th. Most of that is true yes, but Ella along with Xanthe both mention that a Level 5's growth rate is ASTRONOMICALLY higher than all those before it it's not even funny. Meaning your rate of growth, AND power pool is FAR superior to that of a 4 or 3. That all being said, if you've had your powers say 5 years compared to a month at Level 5, that's still 5 years of power you have accumulated more than that month person who probably hasn't yet gasped the total strength available to them. Hell even Bernhardt mentions that Ella is a new one Level 5, he could kill her easily; as if the Level itself doesn't matter but the experience and time you've had to grow it. This is later solidified even more with the possessed MC body being able to slap a Level 5 like Alexis out of this dimension, but being weary of Malik probably less so because of the powers but more so because Malik has had them longer so his pool is greater.

There are only 3 documented that have achieved Level 5 naturally. That being Bernhardt, Malik, and Henrik. That all being said, I'm sure Level 5 is a VERY theory based level, so much so that it could be they're capable of far greater strengths than one could possibly imagine if given enough time, as there are only 12 (13 if you include Ella) who have been officially documented as the only source of info on a Level 5. Who knows maybe even Bernhardt and Malik aren't at their full potential? All that being said I'm sure some Superhumans have a greater or lesser pool of end game strength to grow on than others. MC probably having ridiculous potential due to being turned by TWO Apostles and close connection to an Arbiter, while people like say Demi or Laurie who had their power for a while but hadn't been able to grow enough to even Evolve.

 

[123Detty321]

I may be wrong but I just find it VERY hard to believe after 80 years, speaking to monsters, and getting to Lvl 5 alone; they know next to NOTHING about monsters

How do you know what they know about monsters, how does anyone know what the full extent H.E.R.O knows about monsters, H.E.R.O is a secret organization. What they know is probably redacted for anyone not at the top. The information in the library was probably old info the got declassified. Do you expect a secret organization to just spurt their most sensitive information to the lower agents (Including mc for the time being) that are probably only fed info deemed necessary.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

I love you Drako but one of these days Nico is going to teleport you into the sun if heaven forbid you cheat on her with Mommy the 4th.

1. So for those that don't know, Valravn has Saitama levels of SERIOUS SIDE STEPING, it's unreal. I guess that's how Ella at Lvl 4 and her 4 lvl 3 kids beat it despite it having that ability AND being stronger at the time. But when it's weaker, and a Lvl 5 INSTANT teleporting bitch can't catch it; that's some serious skill issues. While I know the side stepping is an ability that works against unorthodox abilities like Nicolette's, it doesn't deter from the FACT that she talks so much shit despite not being able to grab a god damn crow; huge L when a bunch of orphans can do better.

2. What can I say, I'm a glutton for punishment. Sure Nicolette was fighting the Hex along with the influence of 2 lvl 3s, but she's so high and self proclaimed mighty those little flies shouldn't be able to get her She's so useless she must have been outmatched of course, that much can be forgiven, not like Ella was under the same circumstance and still pretty much won (Nico being the Hex and the other 2 being Cole and Zara). As far as the Ella thing goes you're right, she did fold, it's almost like she was kicking their ass TILL THEY GOT AN EVOLUTION HIGH, how is this even a comparison

3. Now let me die on this hill...Ella is wrong for prepping against a bunch of Lvl 5s and having generally less time as a Lvl 5 than all the other H.E.R.O members. Nicolette not only talks about how much she is going to destroy Ella, but also GETS A BOOST FROM CLARK another lvl 5, I CANNOT emphasize that enough. Ella is then fighting not only a powered Nicolette longer time lvl 5, but also a lvl 4 and long time lvl 3. But okay, even if we ignore the powered up Nicolette in exchange for the underground bodies argument; she is still being teamed up on and Nicolette still has months if not a year on Ella of gained power from being a lvl 5 first. Yet, with ALLLLL that shit talking, she STILL was at the mercy of Ella till her valiant knight Malik came AND Nyx, 2 80+ years of lvl 4 and years of lvl 5 to save her; fuck off with that copium.

4. Correct she ran from 2 evolution high lvl 5s, good job Dr. Xanthe. Yep, she ran from the stacked H.E.R.O base with a bunch of lvl 5s that could come at any moment to make it an unfair fight. Better yet there were 2 lvl 5s there anyways. But say all of that is useless, at least her goal was only the serum and she succeeded thus leaving, unlike high mighty Nicolette with the FAILED goal of capturing a crow and killing Ella. Yeah she had to lay low, hiding not so much, H.E.R.O had a grand meeting to showcase just how fucking stupid they all are despite their resources, Zack, or teleporting wanderkin. I think you're missing remembering, I seem to recall Ella being up against not 1, but 2 lvl 5s at that point of the fight, and that was after her main victory against the oh so mighty Nicolette, Gernhard or whatever the fuck his name is, and random blonde bitch, nice try tho.

You did gud bud, not only did you try to shit on my ignored context, but you actively are hypocritical in your hilarious after comment, being that while Ella may "strategically retreat" I like to call it; Nicolette can only teleport this big ass L down her throat with all the failure she's been spittin out of that loud ass mouth. Congratulations, and I love you *mic drop*

Edit: but seriously no ill will, it's just a game and I love this community, Drako included......the cunt.

Nuh uh, context doesn't matter, only personal belief and biased views on scenes allowed, sir. No "strategic retreats" allowed here, bud. She ran just like Nico got "trashed" by Cole.

Anyway, my point has already been proven. Unlike you, with Nico, I don't actually believe what I said about Ella here. I'm not a hardcore reductionist. This response of yours doesn't really matter, as I wasn't actually looking for you to justify yourself, nor do I care a whole lot beyond getting the context of those scenes out there myself. I accomplished that with my post.

My secondary point was that you can trash any character to the same level by ignoring context. Hence, if we went by your standards against Nico, Ella is a professional marathon runner. Context doesn't matter, so you should have absolutely no problem with Ella being an olympic gold medalist with all that sprinting away she does from her enemies. She came in last place on her final attempt though so we'll have to dock some points off of her. Maybe, a silver medal is more appropriate for Ella.

So, always remember. When you trash Nico, without bothering to care about context, Ella is just as worse under your own standard.

 

[RonaldGrand6969]

Nuh uh, context doesn't matter, only personal belief and biased views on scenes allowed, sir. No "strategic retreats" allowed here, bud. She ran just like Nico got "trashed" by Cole.

Anyway, my point has already been proven. Unlike you, with Nico, I don't actually believe what I said about Ella here. I'm not a hardcore reductionist. This response of yours doesn't really matter, as I wasn't actually looking for you to justify yourself, nor do I care a whole lot beyond getting the context of those scenes out there myself. I accomplished that with my post.

My secondary point was that you can trash any character to the same level by ignoring context. Hence, if we went by your standards against Nico, Ella is a professional marathon runner. Context doesn't matter, so you should have absolutely no problem with Ella being an olympic gold medalist with all that sprinting away she does from her enemies. She came in last place on her final attempt though so we'll have to dock some points off of her. Maybe, a silver medal is more appropriate for Ella.

So, always remember. When you trash Nico, without bothering to care about context, Ella is just as worse under your own standard.

Yeah Nico isn't actually useless obviously it's just the moments we see her she's not at her best (because her best is instant so we don't even see it) I just knew it would get a rise out of you. BUT she does talk a lot of shit which I don't like, so I always like to remind people she couldn't catch a fucking crow because I unfortunately can't just tell her that and it sounds the most demeaning to her uppity ass narcissism

I'm well aware my Ella cope is strong too, now that I think about it she reminds me of our shifty ass (MC). We fight in pretty unorthodox ways too, as our raw power isn't really there like it is for Alice, Michael, or god forbid Malik. That would explain Deus's shifty demeanor, or Del, damn now that I think about it EVERYONE with a non explosive power is a bit of a shifty thug for the Superhuman world!

 

[RonaldGrand6969]

How do you know what they know about monsters, how does anyone know what the full extent H.E.R.O knows about monsters, H.E.R.O is a secret organization. What they know is probably redacted for anyone not at the top. The information in the library was probably old info the got declassified. Do you expect a secret organization to just spurt their most sensitive information to the lower agents (Including mc for the time being) that are probably only fed info deemed necessary.

Woah Woah there buddy calm your titties before I suckle them. To me it seems like they have nothing to hide considering they have the strength to defend whatever they want. Big things like:

-The unclassified monster corpse
-Evolution Serum
-Monster armor and weapons
-Openly admitting to sacrificing 10k+ soldiers to the planet

have already been revealed, and some of those aren't exactly things you'd want everyone to know about. You're right though they DO have a few secrets under their belt like:

-The genetic thing
-Experimentation
-Using civilians as bait

But the subject of:

-where monsters come from
-what's do they want
-why do they spread genes

are things they're so desperate for time and time again they want more and more specimens to solidify information, especially Valravn one of "few" intelligent monsters. Not in only did we encounter Valravn BEFORE they did (save for shady Deus and brief Nicolette) but we also met Aglaecwif as well (potentially). That's what, 7 months of being a Superhuman and you're telling me in the 50+ years they've been doing this shit stuff is STILL theory? They are very open about what they do and don't know because they don't have any fear of not knowing. Just the simple fact that in a private conversation between Dexter and Xanthe he refers to the corpse as "a one of a kind peak monster" (not exact quotes) and not a Lord, Apostle, or # like some of these intelligent monsters just spout like Sunday's dinner or an orphan girl like Ella knows I feel says a lot about how much they truly know or rather don't know.

Again, it could be that the Superhuman part of the Council does know and for whatever reason doesn't want to discuss that side of it, but I find it odd as to WHY they would be keeping it a secret if they are.

-Malik likes people and seems to want Superhumans to ACTUALLY be heroes.
-Deus while not in the Council he still knows a lot and despises monsters, in almost every related encounter he views them with disgust; even going as far as to spit on the ground where Valravn once was.
-Alexis is OVERWORKED because of them what would she be doing defending their secrets for them every time she gets an Evolutionary info leak.
-Bernhardt TALKS with the damn things and he FOR SURE is Corrupt enough to have a high interaction rate. What benefit does he gain sacrificing his Superhuman utopia if all of them are going to be dead from the Monster threat within the next 2 years?

I dunno, I had once thought maybe it was JUST us being special in seeing the Apostles or communing with Monsters during Evolution. But then Jake came along and spoke to the 1st so I thought maybe it's just Superhumans turned by Apostles. But THEN Alice talked to an Apostle that didn't even turn her in the first place directly from an Evolution so now I feel like by Lvl 5, your connection to the Monsters is so high you should be by NO MEANS this in the dark about what's going on unless you are deliberately trying to hide it; and if so, why when humanity is on the brink? Maybe I'm looking too into it :/

 

[necromater]

Oh gothcunt has telediva on the ropes oh god here comes deathmilf with the Chair XD. Sorry but the last part of the fight was right out a W.W.E show.