VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.986] [WeirdWorld]

[Bleh21]

Well... can we get some people who hate her to chime in on this?

As I said, I personally am an NTR hater, and I do not hate Liz. and aren't bothered by the NTR route in this game.
I hate a lot of other characters in other games with optional NTR paths, because it makes them whore on a leash who will cuck you the moment you loosen the leash. I don't hate Liz because that isn't her.

So you are psychoanalyzing people in an attempt to villify them for not finding something attractive.
While completely ignoring reasons mentioned by people on why they would find her unattractive.

Also, even if dev eventually adds a flash back to fix a character flaw, a lot of people still have the dislike impression from before the flashback existed.

Like, I think Ella is best girl. But a lot of people hate her. Back in the day they ranted about how she "murdered a classroom full of children".
This was proven to be false (it was not her, it was god possessing her. and she literally cut herself into pieces to forcibly stop the possession before it could kill her best friend too). But being proven to have been wrong about something doesn't suddenly erase months to years of accumulated distaste for a character.
None of them ever admitted they were wrong about her all along.

However, I am not going to start psychoanalyzing them and claiming that they hate her for completely different and unrelated reasons.

I am talking about the experience I've accumulated from talking to people who hate Liz. I remember one guy literally tried to say the Liz is scum for going along with the MCs own joke that he was short which had made MC insecure about his own height.
And I'm pretty sure one guy who responded to my original quote literally said he's a Gigachad who hates NTR so he hates Liz.
I'm not psychoanalysing, I'm talking about general experiences I have. Now that may not be the case, in fact most people seem either neutral to like Liz especially recently so it's hard to see the general opinions of Liz haters so I'll conecede.

I hated Ella for that exact reason lol. But I changed my mind very quickly when that new information was provided which I think most reasonable people should do.

 

[ProgessiveDetailed]

Like, I think Ella is best girl. But a lot of people hate her.

Ella and liz are pretty damn similar with the exception of liz's apathy and ella's powers.

 

[harem.king]

I am talking about the experience I've accumulated from talking to people who hate Liz. I remember one guy literally tried to say the Liz is scum for going along with the MCs own joke that he was short which had made MC insecure about his own height.
And I'm pretty sure one guy who responded to my original quote literally said he's a Gigachad who hates NTR so he hates Liz.
I'm not psychoanalysing, I'm talking about general experiences I have. Now that may not be the case, in fact most people seem either neutral to like Liz especially recently so it's hard to see the general opinions of Liz haters so I'll conecede.

Ok, that is pretty funny.

By the "psychoanalyzing" I was referring to the "it has to be the NTR because that is all that is left" bit.
A blatantly wrong reason, can still be the reason why they hate her.

Like, as you said you argued with a guy who said he hates her because she won't date MC because he is short.
Even if you can prove to that guy that his belief is false. He can still insist on believing it.

I mean, yea people do lie about their reasoning all the time.
But at the same time, they can be telling the truth even if their explanation is objectively false, it feels real to them.

I hated Ella for that exact reason lol. But I changed my mind very quickly when that new information was provided which I think most reasonable people should do.

Awesome.
Now if only reasonable people were not so damn rare.

 

[harem.king]

Ella and liz are pretty damn similar with the exception of liz's apathy and ella's powers.

There are similarities.
Liz kinda gave up on you because "we are both too broken to help each other"
While Ella gave you super powers and then directed the evolution of your powers by sending you a stream of level appropriate challenges.
Although that did involve sabotaging some of your friendships. so that can be considered a downside.

 

[SquallofNight]

1. Literally a few lines afterwards it says

This is obviously a joke, as it is slotted after that previous empty explanation.
Clearly not me dreaming it. but rather me forgetting that this was a joke.

2. She says "because you are empty like me I can't be your girlfriend". but then she goes on dating every chad in school. so it feels a bit insincere

3. That flashback explains it. But then her actual romance arc is that she basically falls in love with your giant cock and huge muscles now that you are hot and make her feel good. rather than your personality.
I get that this is meant to appeal to the male fantasy. And it does, it is totally fucking hot to break Liz on your cock. To overcome her apathy and lack of feelings. But at the same time it undermines her narrative a bit.
Not a deal breaker for me. But I can understand how it might turn some people off.

2. When is that even said? Like, the confession was in their prom night, which is the end of their highschool (i think, please correct me i don't know about this kind of stuff). From what she says when they meet again (already talked about it), Liz only comments that she was worried because MC wasn't talking with her (when he ignored her and Amber for months) and she was worried they weren't friends anymore (just a reminder, Liz considers MC her best friend and the one who understands her better, even more than Amber).

3. Already talked about it, she falls after MC beat her in swimming to try and get her fired up again (she was thinking about quitting swimming competitively because she was bored w/sponsor and all the drama, MC beat her a few times and ONLY THEM she decided to fuck him). Later, she stars to fall more after MC saves her and resolves her problems with fatso.
AND EVEN THEM, she only decides to go after MC because, and i quote, "You had a lot of options and it helped that you had a lot of other girls that you could get pretty easily, you also weren't so deadset on having me as your girlfriend, so i felt like there was less pressure for me to be special to you"

 

[Bleh21]

Ok, that is pretty funny.

By the "psychoanalyzing" I was referring to the "it has to be the NTR because that is all that is left" bit.
A blatantly wrong reason, can still be the reason why they hate her.

Like, as you said you argued with a guy who said he hates her because she won't date MC because he is short.
Even if you can prove to that guy that his belief is false. He can still insist on believing it.

I mean, yea people do lie about their reasoning all the time.
But at the same time, they can be telling the truth even if their explanation is objectively false, it feels real to them.

Awesome.
Now if only reasonable people were not so damn rare.

I think this is pretty good place to leave it then. I can agree with everything above. I just don't consider false reasons, valid reasons so I didn't include them in my original statement.

 

[harem.king]

I think this is pretty good place to leave it then. I can agree with everything above. I just don't consider false reasons, valid reasons so I didn't include them in my original statement.

Oh, I absolutely agree with you that those are not valid reasons.
That person was clearly wrong.
I am just saying that rather than him being a liar who says "I hate her for X" but actually hates her for Y...
He is a crazy person who hates her for imaginary reason X that is all in his head.

huh... now I am the one doing psychoanalysis...
I guess I am a bit of a hypocrite there. My apologies.

 

[Remembrance]

R.I.P to those who avoided last update to avoid cliffhangers & downloaded this one instead.
This cliff is high & steep in this one

Can't wait to see the earings & rings (iirc) bought from Shopkeep pay off. It's been set up sooo long ago, this looks like as good a time as any to put it to use

 

[Julles Ra]

optional NTR in 99%+ of games means the dev rewrote a waifu into a whore on a leash.
If you ever falter in keeping her on a short leash, she will cuck you.
In this game the NTR route is handled very differently.

She literally asks you to come ward off this person who is trying to coerce her into sex (by threatening her sister).
And you have to first agree, and then actively decide that instead of doing as you promised, you are going to backstab her and peep. This is 100% on you. She is not the whore on a leash, you are the cuck who pushed her to it.
And then as a cherry on top, if you reject the NTR route you end up killing him and his buddies after he kidnaps her.

I hate the NTR route mind you. But I don't hate the character nor the game.
Because this was done intelligently, without ruining her via the "whore on a leash" issue.

A second problem with liz is... her rejecting the MC when he was short, skinny, and small dicked.
I don't have a problem with that either.
It is perfectly reasonable that she didn't find you sexually attractive when you were a 3/10 and she was a 10/10.
now that you are tall, swole, and hung she is sexually attracted to you.
Makes sense.

But then there is a third issue with Liz...
you also get told about her huge body count.
That... is pretty unappealing. Just feels gross.
Very unrealistically, she reached her "ready to settle down" stage at age 20 instead of age 40.
Which... does make it better. But it is still an issue.

Personally, with Liz, I think only issue 3 is really a problem.

Bruh, you expected anything else from a woman who barely cares anything and anyone that's not her sister? Just like the roofie beer scene, where she had lackadaisical attitude despite almost getting drugged and raped even in the romance route, the girl won't even care if she got tricked into a gangbang.

 

[KingAgamemnon]

Each mc evolution followed a certain pattern with 4 major fights

1- a first confrontation with the opponent that would later trigger the evolution, which mc didn't win (defeat against Klauss and draw against Deryl)

2- an opponent of a similar level to mc who poses a direct threat to the lives of his friends (Kenny and Jake)

3- an opponent more powerful than mc but with whom he has a good matchup (Danica and Valravn)

4- the rematch against the opponent mc couldn't beat with a win and his evolution

if you look at it this way, Cole fits more into the 2nd category because his power is compared to Met, who himself was able to matchup against Evander (whom Met suspects didn't give his all), and when Mc confronted Cole after his evolution, the 3rd and 4th Apostle were already confident that Mc could beat him.
and he's also into a kind of one-sided rivalry like Jake.

Of course we have to take in acount that mc was still freshly evolved but he is clearly progressing faster than Cole and he also has is training with Syla so they should be relatively close (especialy since Cole got himself a new weapon ).
So with that + the fact that it evolved not so long ago , mc evolving seem unlikely and it would be more likely to happen during a rematch against the moon's twin.

I agree with all of this with the exception that the evo fight will almost certainly be against Shen instead of the Twins, as it is pretty abundantly clear that without his interference MC would've eventually been able to overpower the two of them.

 

[GodOfAll]

Hentai

Crazy part that hentai literally translates to perverted or pervert. What the dude tried to argue was most likely the ecchi, which is just some erotic elements. Hentai is literally porn. On that side note I hope that we will got more deranged content in the future, with the MC becoming more and more evil if the player chooses so. Was a really cool experience how nodeem portant sucked some thugs brain out.

 

[kibaris]

I agree with all of this with the exception that the evo fight will almost certainly be against Shen instead of the Twins, as it is pretty abundantly clear that without his interference MC would've eventually been able to overpower the two of them.

He would fit more the 3rd category, Shen is level 4 when mc is level 3 on the contrary of the twins who are bot level 3, and it was said that mc have now a way to counter Shen power , which give mc a good matchup despise the disadvantage in raw power. (+ mc tentacles preventing him to stay in Shen fantasy for more than a few second)

mc also have a bad matchup against all the opponent he evolved against (both offensively and defensively),

- Klauss barrier and plasma who where a real problem for mc to overcome, and his plasma also where a problem for mc shapeshifting, since mc had a hard time changing form when he was touched by Kaluss plasma.

-Deryl chimera with all is heads created to counter mc (lightning,fire,plasma) and was a pain to hit directly.

-Evander and is blue skin cause problem to mc both offensivly and defensively since mc cant protect himself efficiently or causing significant dammage (if at all) to Evander.

 

[harem.king]

Bruh, you expected anything else from a woman who barely cares anything and anyone that's not her sister? Just like the roofie beer scene, where she had lackadaisical attitude despite almost getting drugged and raped even in the romance route, the girl won't even care if she got tricked into a gangbang.

I described my take on her.
Why are you twisting it into "you expected"?
Expectations are irrelevant here. Only thing that matters is what she is, and how attractive or unattractive it is.

 

[kibaris]

one thing I could see happening is a Kenny like scenario where Cole, out of frustration to be weaker than mc, triggers his evolution but fails and becomes a monster that we're "forced" to kill.

 

[JmTrad]

Can't wait to see the earings & rings (iirc) bought from Shopkeep pay off. It's been set up sooo long ago, this looks like as good a time as any to put it to use

I had even forgot about it. If I trust anyone in this VN has to be the shopkeeper. The twins are going to survive.

 

[Gtdead]

kibaris
You are on fire man. The monsterfication and the methods of evolution ideas are really good ones. Frankly Cole's monsterfication never crossed my mind.

JmTrad
Shopkeep was one of the most popular arguments for the previous cliffhanger. He should be renamed "The Hopebringer".

 

[Dipasimaan]

We will see, but If you ask me Its more likely to happen facts.
1.Mc had a huge amount of emotions right now.
2.Mc already master his body which means his body itself Is strong enough to survive evolution.
3.Also the thing Is even Ella told such a massive emotions can trigger evolution.
4.Mc evolution whatever he like or not may awakening which mean he dont need to full understand or train the mind.
5.Even If he train It no one say he will know how to trigger evolution Its random, and Its very likely that this happen now when he had a massive stimulations to trigger It now.
6.Lets not forget about mc orgin, Its already aware of mc and It know that mc are his best chances to be born whatever this mean.
7.Mc are somehow "special" even Valaran?(the raven monster) lord (god) talks direct towards mc In the dream stage and Its very unlikely as for such a evil old god speak himself to just anybody which I assume he may some how like or had connection towards mc god, which I assume they more evil than good and thats mean when mc gose berserker next update I wont belive the orgin itself wont notice It and push mc towards evolution.

 

[SquallofNight]

I had even forgot about it. If I trust anyone in this VN has to be the shopkeeper. The twins are going to survive.

Shopkeep was one of the most popular arguments for the previous cliffhanger. He should be renamed "The Hopebringer".

I can't meme for shit, someone with talent can pls make the Gigachad meme w/Shopkeep face and the frase: "When shit's looking grim, trust in him!"?

 

[Dipasimaan]

optional NTR in 99%+ of games means the dev rewrote a waifu into a whore on a leash.
If you ever falter in keeping her on a short leash, she will cuck you.
In this game the NTR route is handled very differently.

She literally asks you to come ward off this person who is trying to coerce her into sex (by threatening her sister).
And you have to first agree, and then actively decide that instead of doing as you promised, you are going to backstab her and peep. This is 100% on you. She is not the whore on a leash, you are the cuck who pushed her to it.
And then as a cherry on top, if you reject the NTR route you end up killing him and his buddies after he kidnaps her.

I hate the NTR route mind you. But I don't hate the character nor the game.
Because this was done intelligently, without ruining her via the "whore on a leash" issue.

A second problem with liz is... her rejecting the MC when he was short, skinny, and small dicked.
I don't have a problem with that either.
It is perfectly reasonable that she didn't find you sexually attractive when you were a 3/10 and she was a 10/10.
now that you are tall, swole, and hung she is sexually attracted to you.
Makes sense.

But then there is a third issue with Liz...
you also get told about her huge body count.
That... is pretty unappealing. Just feels gross.
Very unrealistically, she reached her "ready to settle down" stage at age 20 instead of age 40.
Which... does make it better. But it is still an issue.

Personally, with Liz, I think only issue 3 is really a problem.

Damn bro a little insecure, are we?

 

[Gtdead]

I can't meme for shit, someone with talent can pls make the Gigachad meme w/Shopkeep face and the frase: "When shit's looking grim, trust in him!"?

ItzSyther is the resident memelord. You need to invoke his name and offer a sacrifice to Shadow. If you are deemed worthy, he will come knocking.