VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.996 Public] [WeirdWorld]

[OnlineRando]

Where in the good name of fuck did I say MC would lose to met in a fight?

You claim that I don't know what intelligence "is" yet you've made up shit that I never said and then base part of your argument on that?

Edit: Did I say mc isn't applying himself concerning his powers, or did I say MC isn't doing it LITERALLY PERFECTLY

You said Met is superior, which is unproven beyond his simple type advantage against MC.

 

[Gtdead]

Didn't MCs teacher tell syla that MCs grades weren't as high as they could be then went on to blame her? I always read that as a more C average type of thing rather than A/B (which I would call "good grades") Liz is more of the "kid genius" who can "can sleep in class and then get good grades while having long(ish) hair" imo

MC also doesn't seem like him having "less than good grades" in college is a new thing he is dealing with either which furthers the idea he is used to mediocre grades but that could also be him just realizing that monsters>grades.

From an education perspective, a student that sleeps in class loses a lot of context for the more complex topics. Being able to keep up without paying attention usually means that you are too good for the material and you just don't care about the grade. It's a common behavior, especially in the higher grades.

Also Liz in particular had a swimming scholarship. It's Amber that has the general scholarship, which may indicate that Liz's grades weren't so hot and she just got it on her athletic merit. Of course I would never bet against Liz on anything, as she is the living expression of overwhelming talent, but that doesn't necessitate she had good grades. She could just do the bare minimum. She also had her mother pressuring her into excellence, which is a big factor in school, even if you end up hating your parents ^^

Mc playing poker (or cheating better than alice) is reliant on player choices so you can't say MC is always that good with his powers early on

His preparation for hiding his identity are covering his face with armor (arguably he needs it just for protection not hiding identity), having that mask slightly muffle his voice (liz figures that shit out fast tho), he doesn't even have a hero name until deryl says "Yeah what's your HERO name" really none of the stuff was even made to protect his identity (other than name which is made up on the spot) it all just "happened" to protect it.

I don't think it's fair to say it's player choice. If you train enough to unlock the skill, MC acts accordingly. If not, he doesn't get the chance. Winning at poker isn't a series of player picking the correct response.

Also MC protected his identity from Alexis. He always kept being in character, controlled his emotions. Unlike Jake who is a genius and was easily baited. This is also an argument about sharp instincts despite lacking information.

I agree that the mantis punch is one of the best arguments for his intelligence but again that's directly realted to combat and without his particular infection his learning style of "bang head against wall until it works" the mantis punch would have taken much much longer to train

Much like Micheal MC has good "fight IQ" but is lacking in other ( arguably more than they are proficient in) intelligences. For all his knowledge/experience Micheal is socially dumb af (interrupting mc/emily, having to be told that him/liz/amber are friends).

Well, there aren't many ways to train changing your body. He identified a problem and found a solution through experimentation. But the various structures he used weren't just random ideas. They were fairly scientific approaches with merit. Reinforce this bone, change the mass, do this, do that. He also had an understanding of the physics behind the mantis punch, knowing that scaling it up decreases it's efficiency.

 

[Simpgor]

From an education perspective, a student that sleeps in class loses a lot of context for the more complex topics. Being able to keep up without paying attention usually means that you are too good for the material and you just don't care about the grade. It's a common behavior, especially in the higher grades.

Also Liz in particular had a swimming scholarship. It's Amber that has the general scholarship, which may indicate that Liz's grades weren't so hot and she just got it on her athletic merit. Of course I would never bet against Liz on anything, as she is the living expression of overwhelming talent, but that doesn't necessitate she had good grades. She could just do the bare minimum.

I don't think it's fair to say it's player choice. If you train enough to unlock the skill, MC acts accordingly. If not, he doesn't get the chance. Winning at poker isn't a series of player picking the correct response.

I'm specifically talking about him in middle school (parent teacher with syla). You could argue that the teacher just wants the best for all his students and even though MC is getting A's he could (somehow) be doing better.....but that same teacher is "blackamiled" by syla because she has big tits in a few seconds so I doubt their "merit" as a pure hearted teacher imo it makes more sense that MC is getting Cs and stuff while sleeping in class clearly showing that he could be doing better but perhaps that's my apathy for the education system showing?

Is there not any proof that Liz could have better grades than amber if she tried at all? That might be an assumption because (while they were still alive) amber had to put in tons of work to even be able to be around her in anything but maybe that's only physical stuff and academics is an exception to the usual amber/Liz dynamic

Unless I'm mistaken the poker is objectively "player choice" not in that you have to win a hand of poker as the player but that if you don't have enough training Stat you just don't beat alice at the party (or maybe after?) and she plays the game at the casino but the game continues on. WW even asked on stream a few weeks ago if he ended up putting it In the game or not. Just because almost everyone knows to listen to the big tiddy goth gf and train as much the game let's you doesn't mean it's "canon"

You said Met is superior, which is unproven beyond his simple type advantage against MC.

Are you talking about "a single example beyond him (met)"? MC got really big help from both ella (metal mostly) and syla (way better at memory/immaterial stuff) so I'd say it's fair to argue which "is better at/deveolping their powers" (in a vaccum) but again that's not me saying "met go brrr" it was me arguing that MC isn't the actual embodiment of perfection when it comes to his powers/evolution which is what the original message I quoted said.

I've not made a single comment on who would win in a 1v1 to death fight between MC and Met

 

[OnlineRando]

I'm specifically talking about him in middle school (parent teacher with syla). You could argue that the teacher just wants the best for all his students and even though MC is getting A's he could (somehow) be doing better.....but that same teacher is "blackamiled" by syla because she has big tits in a few seconds so I doubt their "merit" as a pure hearted teacher imo it makes more sense that MC is getting Cs and stuff while sleeping in class clearly showing that he could be doing better but perhaps that's my apathy for the education system showing?

Is there not any proof that Liz could have better grades than amber if she tried at all? That might be an assumption because (while they were still alive) amber had to put in tons of work to even be able to be around her in anything but maybe that's only physical stuff and academics is an exception to the usual amber/Liz dynamic

Unless I'm mistaken the poker is objectively "player choice" not in that you have to win a hand of poker as the player but that if you don't have enough training Stat you just don't beat alice at the party and she plays the game at the casino but the game continues on. Just because almost everyone knows to listen to the big tiddy goth gf and train as much the game let's you doesn't mean it's "canon"



Are you talking about "a single example beyond him (met)"? MC got really big help from both ella (metal mostly) and syla (way better at memory/immaterial stuff) so I'd say it's fair to argue which "is better at/deveolping their powers" (in a vaccum) but again that's not me saying "met go brrr" it was me arguing that MC isn't the actual embodiment of perfection when it comes to his powers/evolution which is what the original message I quoted said.

MC isn't perfectly developing himself, but nobody actually does, so that's not a good thing to argue. The point is that MC and Met are practically equal development-wise, and they both have had the same amount of time to train themselves (other than combat skills for which Met was trained from childhood). The metal training had literally no major effect on MC's power stat development, it was at maximum like three or four points, like c'mon, and Syla's training is super recent, they have not fought since that.

The simple fact is, that if MC was as vulnerable to lightning as any other superhuman was and didn't have a weakness to it, It would either be an extremely close fight, or MC would demolish due to being able to turn into electricity-insulating materials. None of MC's training with others has given him a boost so huge as to make a difference against Met. Not to mention WW said Met is not a normal superhuman due to the training he underwent, so he might have gotten training with others as well, which would have given him a far greater boost than what training with Ella gave MC.

 

[gargamel44]

Oh no. A powerscaling debate in f95zone.

 

[OnlineRando]

Oh no. A powerscaling debate in f95zone.

We spread everywhere.

 

[Ostap Bender]

I'm curious, what are people's Superhero names for MC?

I went for No-Thing, tried to headcanon it as MC saying their superhero name was nothing and it becoming their name. And I thought it sort of fit with how he doesn't have a set form anymore, his default form could be a pile of shit if his internal self image was terrible enough

But yeah what did others choose and why?

On my headcanon, almost pure playthrough I named him Warden. You know, he's supposed to be the shield that guards the realms of men protects regular people from monsters and all that. Kinda lame name, I guess. But my fantasy sucks and I couldn't come up with anything better

 

[Gtdead]

I'm specifically talking about him in middle school (parent teacher with syla). You could argue that the teacher just wants the best for all his students and even though MC is getting A's he could (somehow) be doing better.....but that same teacher is "blackamiled" by syla because she has big tits in a few seconds so I doubt their "merit" as a pure hearted teacher imo it makes more sense that MC is getting Cs and stuff while sleeping in class clearly showing that he could be doing better but perhaps that's my apathy for the education system showing?

In the end, this particular instance is a matter of perspective. In my experience, there are 3 types of people with average or less than average grades:
1. Kids on the the learning disability spectrum in a school that isn't equipped to handle them.
2. Students that are too good for the material and don't get stimulated enough.
3. Dumb kids.

Dumb kids don't have strokes of genius. They don't suddenly start realising how stuff works. They are the types that will put effort once, think that they did their part and fail anyway. Could they be helped? I can't tell. Those I knew about probably wouldn't and they can only learn things that they have some talent with, or through extreme repetition if forced. These kids are actually less common than people think.

Kids with learning disabilities can be quite intelligent and it will probably show at some point in the future, but they are also fairly easy to identify unless your are a dumb teacher. I mean if the kid can't spell a simple word correctly after 3 years in school, can't read fluently or have the will to learn but lack in focus, it's obvious what's going on.

The kids that don't get stimulated enough are usually the recipients of "He has potential, but ..". Let's face it, 90% of the curriculum is fairly simple, and the other 10% is super hard exercises designed to test how the well the kids can work inside the framework without really having any intuition about the concepts they are taught.

So with that perspective, when the teacher says "MC has potential but", the only thing I hear is "MC doesn't give a shit about my class and I'm angry about it" or "I just don't have any good feedback to give to the parent why the kid underperforms". If it wasn't that common an expression, I may had taken it at face value, but I think WW is trying to tell us something beyond the obvious here.

Is there not any proof that Liz could have better grades than amber if she tried at all? That might be an assumption because (while they were still alive) amber had to put in tons of work to even be able to be around her in anything but maybe that's only physical stuff and academics is an exception to the usual amber/Liz dynamic

Sorry to answer a question with a question but, would you call Liz "smart" if no one ever mentioned her abilities? She acts like the dumbest bimbo in existence throughout the game. There's no doubt that Liz could excel in most things she put her mind to, but this isn't reflected in her behavior. MC has a lot of similarities. He acts dumb but when push comes to shove he finds a way, as for player input..

Unless I'm mistaken the poker is objectively "player choice" not in that you have to win a hand of poker as the player but that if you don't have enough training Stat you just don't beat alice at the party (or maybe after?) and she plays the game at the casino but the game continues on. WW even asked on stream a few weeks ago if he ended up putting it In the game or not. Just because almost everyone knows to listen to the big tiddy goth gf and train as much the game let's you doesn't mean it's "canon"

Look, I see what you are getting at, but I think this idea is a bit more nuanced than what you are presenting it to be. Let me explain:
1. Fight against Klaus
MC has the option of going big, or staying small and agile. The player can pick whatever he wants, only one choice leads to victory.
The thing is, when the player picks "close quarters and agility", MC does something unprecedented. He cooks up a new form that the player has no information about at this point. Would you attribute this to MC's ability, or player choice?

2. MC during the debate with Elijah in college
If you choose to halfass it, MC will halfass it.
If you choose to destroy Elijah, MC makes him look dumb, despite knowing that most of what Elijah says is actually true.
Again, is this MC's ability, or player choice?

In the example we are talking about, there are different outcomes depending on if the player has prioritised training or not. However the player has no idea how MC will act based on these choices. The player doesn't control if MC will become good at poker or not. He only controls if by the time of the casino, MC will have unlocked the ability and have the tool to use in this particular situation.

There exists a time constraint here. If the player is slow with training, MC will lose the chance to apply his knowledge, but by the end of the first arc he still has the ability and he can still develop his method if some future situation calls for it.

This is the reason why I think that "player choice" is not a good general argument. There are very limited instances where MC fails on direct player input. Examples are when training his liquid form, or choosing if to cut below or above the collar. Would you say that examples like this speak to MC's intelligence, or they are more of a test for how much the player was paying attention? I tend to think the latter, even if I'm not 100% on it.

 

[MalkavianVamp]

I'm curious, what are people's Superhero names for MC?

I went for No-Thing, tried to headcanon it as MC saying their superhero name was nothing and it becoming their name. And I thought it sort of fit with how he doesn't have a set form anymore, his default form could be a pile of shit if his internal self image was terrible enough

But yeah what did others choose and why?

Liberty because he uhh liberates the people from evil bastards like cole

 

[Dipasimaan]

 

[ItzSyther]

Time for a rare Syther main thread appearance

 

[BruceBerserk]

TAKE MY MEMES, TAKE ALL OF THEM

 

[adanu]

Intelligence manifests in many ways.

The MC is not academically smart. And his dumber moments are sometimes for comedy

Wholly agree to disagree. He is smart, he just DOES NOT CARE. In my playthroughs, the first thing he's ever really applied himself to are his powers and how to maintain his SI. He was a drifter before that.

 

[Feruna]

On my headcanon, almost pure playthrough I named him Warden. You know, he's supposed to be the shield that guards the realms of men protects regular people from monsters and all that. Kinda lame name, I guess. But my fantasy sucks and I couldn't come up with anything better

Went with a similiar approach but wanted to include his black armor/shield as well as his ability to use multiple limbs. That resulted in the name "black phalanx".

 

[Dinoflaggelate]

I'm curious, what are people's Superhero names for MC?

I went for No-Thing, tried to headcanon it as MC saying their superhero name was nothing and it becoming their name. And I thought it sort of fit with how he doesn't have a set form anymore, his default form could be a pile of shit if his internal self image was terrible enough

But yeah what did others choose and why?

Guyver. It's an old manga about a man who bonds with a symbiotic suit of living power armor. It was the first name that came to mind when I was asked for a name after having a fight wearing living armor, even though the MC's armor isn't really that much like the Guyver Unit.

 

[Lucifer_Morningstar]

i just finished HERO assault on Ella's lair and that was a great read.

I seriously think College period was too long though.

If you are talking about the one that involves the MC's 3rd evolution and everyone else also evolving, it was Legendary. To go through that for the first time, its an experience in itself.

I tip my hat to WW for his writing capabilities. I am not a big fan of 2DCG type games but I guess this game is perfection in 2DCG and probably the greatest and the best one of that category.

 

[camube]

If you are talking about the one that involves the MC's 3rd evolution and everyone else also evolving, it was Legendary. To go through that for the first time, its an experience in itself.

I tip my had to WW for his writing capabilities. I am not a big fan of 2DCG type games but I guess this game is perfection in 2DCG and probably the greatest and the best one of that category.

how far am i in percent or playtime from that point to the end of current content?
i want to play some more this weekend but im curious how long i have to go from end of HERO assault until current update

 

[Uriel ☁]

how far am i in percent or playtime from that point to the end of current content?
i want to play some more this weekend but im curious how long i have to go from end of HERO assault until current update

You're probably at 70%

 

[Abazzaba]

The wait is killing me.

 

[shujuku]

I want to fuck Cole.