RPGM Sword Art Online: The Trap of Breath Concealed Magic [Part 2 v0.40] [Fujino]

[renjen]

I understand that this is the mystery of the universe here, right?

Just gonna copy and paste what chatgpt said cuz it's a decent breakdown
Q: how is NTR different from cheating
A: NTR, which stands for "netorare," is a genre of anime, manga, and related media that involves themes of infidelity and often includes elements of emotional or sexual betrayal within relationships. Here’s how NTR differs from cheating:

1. **Media Context**: NTR is a genre found in fictional works such as manga and anime, where the narrative often explores complex relationships and emotional conflicts. It's a fictional portrayal rather than real-life infidelity.

2. **Consensual vs. Non-consensual**: Cheating typically involves one partner breaking the agreed-upon rules or norms of a relationship, often without the other partner's consent. NTR, on the other hand, can involve scenarios where characters might be manipulated or coerced into infidelity, blurring the lines between consent and coercion within the narrative context.

3. **Fantasy vs. Reality**: NTR is a fantasy genre catering to specific audiences interested in exploring themes of jealousy, betrayal, and complex emotional dynamics within fictional stories. It is not an endorsement of or reflection on real-life relationships.

4. **Cultural and Subcultural Context**: NTR has specific cultural and subcultural roots in Japan and is often understood within the broader context of anime and manga fandom. It serves a niche audience that enjoys exploring taboo or controversial themes in fictional settings.

In summary, NTR is a fictional genre that explores themes of infidelity and betrayal within a narrative context, distinct from real-life cheating which involves actual breaches of trust and agreements within personal relationships. The key differences lie in the context, consent, and the nature of portrayal—NTR being a form of fictional exploration and cheating being a real-life breach of trust.

 

[Teranty]

Well, I understand that for me NTR is a game containing content with cheating, this could be a game for the main character who leads to cheating or a character you play for, or you play for a cuckold hero who cannot please women and your women are corrupted, or you play for a woman or several women who are corrupted and whose husband or boyfriend is a cuckold. That's how I see it.

 

[Teranty]

Just gonna copy and paste what chatgpt said cuz it's a decent breakdown
Q: how is NTR different from cheating
A: NTR, which stands for "netorare," is a genre of anime, manga, and related media that involves themes of infidelity and often includes elements of emotional or sexual betrayal within relationships. Here’s how NTR differs from cheating:

1. **Media Context**: NTR is a genre found in fictional works such as manga and anime, where the narrative often explores complex relationships and emotional conflicts. It's a fictional portrayal rather than real-life infidelity.

2. **Consensual vs. Non-consensual**: Cheating typically involves one partner breaking the agreed-upon rules or norms of a relationship, often without the other partner's consent. NTR, on the other hand, can involve scenarios where characters might be manipulated or coerced into infidelity, blurring the lines between consent and coercion within the narrative context.

3. **Fantasy vs. Reality**: NTR is a fantasy genre catering to specific audiences interested in exploring themes of jealousy, betrayal, and complex emotional dynamics within fictional stories. It is not an endorsement of or reflection on real-life relationships.

4. **Cultural and Subcultural Context**: NTR has specific cultural and subcultural roots in Japan and is often understood within the broader context of anime and manga fandom. It serves a niche audience that enjoys exploring taboo or controversial themes in fictional settings.

In summary, NTR is a fictional genre that explores themes of infidelity and betrayal within a narrative context, distinct from real-life cheating which involves actual breaches of trust and agreements within personal relationships. The key differences lie in the context, consent, and the nature of portrayal—NTR being a form of fictional exploration and cheating being a real-life breach of trust.

As I understand it, this is simply an abbreviation for the word treason.

 

[4ung-4ang]

Just gonna copy and paste what chatgpt said cuz it's a decent breakdown
Q: how is NTR different from cheating
A: NTR, which stands for "netorare," is a genre of anime, manga, and related media that involves themes of infidelity and often includes elements of emotional or sexual betrayal within relationships. Here’s how NTR differs from cheating:

1. **Media Context**: NTR is a genre found in fictional works such as manga and anime, where the narrative often explores complex relationships and emotional conflicts. It's a fictional portrayal rather than real-life infidelity.

2. **Consensual vs. Non-consensual**: Cheating typically involves one partner breaking the agreed-upon rules or norms of a relationship, often without the other partner's consent. NTR, on the other hand, can involve scenarios where characters might be manipulated or coerced into infidelity, blurring the lines between consent and coercion within the narrative context.

3. **Fantasy vs. Reality**: NTR is a fantasy genre catering to specific audiences interested in exploring themes of jealousy, betrayal, and complex emotional dynamics within fictional stories. It is not an endorsement of or reflection on real-life relationships.

4. **Cultural and Subcultural Context**: NTR has specific cultural and subcultural roots in Japan and is often understood within the broader context of anime and manga fandom. It serves a niche audience that enjoys exploring taboo or controversial themes in fictional settings.

In summary, NTR is a fictional genre that explores themes of infidelity and betrayal within a narrative context, distinct from real-life cheating which involves actual breaches of trust and agreements within personal relationships. The key differences lie in the context, consent, and the nature of portrayal—NTR being a form of fictional exploration and cheating being a real-life breach of trust.

How dare you? I don't let a robot dictate to me what NTR is.

 

[Teranty]

basically the game has a plot where the girl will be stolen, and obedient to the bad guy.

This is also suitable, in part it can be attributed if the girl then leaves her husband or boyfriend because of the guy

 

[Teranty]

This is a bug. Either download the patch or wait a few days for the next version to fix it.
https://f95zone.to/threads/sword-ar...agic-part-2-v0-40-fujino.154352/post-13881585

Thank you so much

 

[Teranty]

there's a bug after the box quest with lizz in part two. lizz gets stuck with kirito in real world for some reason, and when kirito goes to work, everything gets black. how to solve this problem?

Here you go, friend.
https://f95zone.to/threads/sword-ar...agic-part-2-v0-40-fujino.154352/post-13881585

 

[4ung-4ang]

basically the game has a plot where the girl will be stolen, and obedient to the bad guy.

It's a bit more complicated than that, but it's one of the possibilities. First of all, it isn't gender-specific; a boyfriend being stolen would still be NTR. Also, it's not about the conclusion of losing a partner; it's about the emotional and psychological process, which can follow many different paths. For example, if a partner is being tricked or forced into cheating but in the end comes back after overcoming the challenge, it's still NTR. That's my take.

 

[Teranty]

It's a bit more complicated than that, but it's one of the possibilities. First of all, it isn't gender-specific; a boyfriend being stolen would still be NTR. Also, it's not about the conclusion of losing a partner; it's about the emotional and psychological process, which can follow many different paths. For example, if a partner is being tricked or forced into cheating but in the end comes back after overcoming the challenge, it's still NTR. That's my take.

I agree

 

[SixDates]

For example, if a partner is being tricked or forced into cheating but in the end comes back after overcoming the challenge, it's still NTR

Depending what you mean by that I may agree or disagree with your take on NTR.

If by coming back you mean that the adulterer continues sleeping with her rapist/blackmailer after the situation is resolved, then it obviously counts as NTR.

On the other hand, if the person goes back to their lover and continues being a loving partner, cutting off the affair, then I would say that even if the person cheated, it doesn't really count as NTR.

For example, to take this point and drag it back to SAO so the thread doesn't get closed, if Asuna were to end things with Inoda right now, booked a couple's therapist for her and Kirito, and told him to focus more on foreplay during sex, I would say that the game wouldn't really be NTR. It would just be cheating, as for me NTR requires a lover to be stolen in one way or another, be it their mind, heart or body.

 

[baddadbaddad456]

Wich version of part one do I download

 

[4ung-4ang]

Depending what you mean by that I may agree or disagree with your take on NTR.

If by coming back you mean that the adulterer continues sleeping with her rapist/blackmailer after the situation is resolved, then it obviously counts as NTR.

On the other hand, if the person goes back to their lover and continues being a loving partner, cutting off the affair, then I would say that even if the person cheated, it doesn't really count as NTR.

For example, to take this point and drag it back to SAO so the thread doesn't get closed, if Asuna were to end things with Inoda right now, booked a couple's therapist for her and Kirito, and told him to focus more on foreplay during sex, I would say that the game wouldn't really be NTR. It would just be cheating, as for me NTR requires a lover to be stolen in one way or another, be it their mind, heart or body.

It's fine to disagree, but I have to admit your argument doesn't make sense to me. If we take your example and say it's the cheating genre, by your logic, it shouldn't be considered cheating if Asuna and Kirito get back together. The cheating happened, just as NTR happens; the conclusion of the story doesn't change that. A genre isn't determined by its conclusion, but by its genre-defining processes.

Or to take a non-sexual genre, if an isekai story ends with the MC going back to their world, it's still an isekai story. Similarly, in a detective story, whether the MC solves the case or not doesn't change the fact that it's a detective story about someone who is trying to solve a case.

Ironically, I see this game as cheating for now because Kirito doesn't suffer from the cheating as I would expect from NTR; he simply can't because the admin is deleting his suspicion and memory

 

[eldorado14]

The only unrealistic part of NTR that I find most off-putting is, when it comes to female lead returning to MC or vice versa, is the fact that long term relationships require mutual trust and respect. NTR takes these away by stages. Once trust is broken, it is incredibly hard to regain it, your partner will always be suspicious, and you will never really return to the days when both of you were truly in love.

Naturally, when the female lead admits to it, and tries to return to MC, it shouldn't be that easy, even if you are into cucking, because trust is everything in a relationship. Even in swinging and cuckoldry lifestyles, without boundaries, you just break up or get divorced. It happens a lot in real life. NTR logic takes priority over a lot of things, same with porn logic, but this is one of my pet peeves.

 

[SixDates]

If we take your example and say it's the cheating genre, by your logic, it shouldn't be considered cheating if Asuna and Kirito get back together

This doesn't quite make a lot of sense? As in the example I gave Kirito and Asuna get together in the end, but it was still considered cheating by my definition.

For example, let's just say that for arguments sake, Inoda after the stormy night happened in the climax of part 1, went out of the house and got hit by a truck and transported to another world, never to be seen again. Asuna is very sad for awhile, Kirito less so but he still laments what happened, then six months later they have both moved on, and their relationship slowly goes back to what it was before.

At the end of the day, was Asuna stolen?

Let's make another example then, Asuna's mom and dad aren't separated in another universe, yet one time she goes out to drink and gets fucked in a bathroom stall by some tanned teen that suspiciously looks a lot like Hebishima. The two of them never meet ever again, did she get NTRed, or was she simply cheating?

Or to take a non-sexual genre, if an isekai story ends with the MC going back to their world, it's still an isekai story. Similarly, in a detective story, whether the MC solves the case or not doesn't change the fact that it's a detective story about someone who is trying to solve a case.

Let's say that you are reading a murder mystery novel, instead of a normal detective novel, the whole book until the final 30 pages focused on finding the killer of a highschool girl who went missing only leaving behind a small pool of blood on her bed. But it is suddenly revealed that she never died, instead she just had a very heavy period, and that she went off in a mystical journey to find a mountain of ice cream, and the climax of the novel is the detective retiring and living together with the school girl as they both manage an ice cream shop.

Beside reading the worst thing ever put on paper in human history, at the end of the day, were you actually reading a murder mystery if no one got murdered?

 

[Teranty]

Is there any news when the next update will be?

 

[SixDates]

Is there any news when the next update will be?

We will get a report from Fujino tomorrow, in less than 24 hours, if we are lucky we might get the update (although I would bet on it myself)

 

[SORM1158]

renew? It should be Thursday or Friday.

 

[Teranty]

We will get a report from Fujino tomorrow, in less than 24 hours, if we are lucky we might get the update (although I would bet on it myself)

Thank you for the information

 

[AlterInfernalAllius]

Truth be told, only Fujino knows. In this game, anything is possible. We can only guess. Suguha will likely go her yandere route even further. Sinon, idk, she doesn't have any male characters besides Hebishima she's connected with; maybe she'll move to Sakura's village.

It is also possible that a new NTR guy will be introduced in Part 3. There is also Agil, or even Klein after loosing Alice

Ironically, Sinon not making it to the supposed 'Part 3' if it happens would be kinda sad, despite how minor it is I still liked her character more than Alice, probably because both being borderline OCs compared to their original characters at least Sinon didn't feel as forced into the game's plot as Police girl Alice did XP

Also, the entire point Hebishima being removed came up even in the first place wasn't because Fujino didn't like him, it was because he wanted to REDUCE CONTENT UNRELATED TO THE MAIN STORY, LMAO. By that logic, introducing even more "NTR guys" is literally the opposite of what he would want to do if he got rid of Hebishima, ending his storyline was the whole point he put that poll in the first place.

Suguha has neatly folded herself into the main story by going yandere for Kirito so she no longer needs him and Sinon seems basically all but confirmed at this point that she will be who gets rid of him, but regardless of if that means she also exits the story or not I don't think Fujino would make yet another character into a NTR guy for her/Suguha because that would defeat the entire point of removing Hebishima XD

Also, watch out, that almost 2-pages-long talk about what is NTR seemed dangerously close to something that could get the thread banned again, which we wouldn't want to happen right before the next update AGAIN.

 

[4ung-4ang]

This doesn't quite make a lot of sense? As in the example I gave Kirito and Asuna get together in the end, but it was still considered cheating by my definition.

For example, let's just say that for arguments sake, Inoda after the stormy night happened in the climax of part 1, went out of the house and got hit by a truck and transported to another world, never to be seen again. Asuna is very sad for awhile, Kirito less so but he still laments what happened, then six months later they have both moved on, and their relationship slowly goes back to what it was before.

At the end of the day, was Asuna stolen?

Let's make another example then, Asuna's mom and dad aren't separated in another universe, yet one time she goes out to drink and gets fucked in a bathroom stall by some tanned teen that suspiciously looks a lot like Hebishima. The two of them never meet ever again, did she get NTRed, or was she simply cheating?




Let's say that you are reading a murder mystery novel, instead of a normal detective novel, the whole book until the final 30 pages focused on finding the killer of a highschool girl who went missing only leaving behind a small pool of blood on her bed. But it is suddenly revealed that she never died, instead she just had a very heavy period, and that she went off in a mystical journey to find a mountain of ice cream, and the climax of the novel is the detective retiring and living together with the school girl as they both manage an ice cream shop.

Beside reading the worst thing ever put on paper in human history, at the end of the day, were you actually reading a murder mystery if no one got murdered?

Exactly, that's what I'm saying. It doesn't make sense, but that was your example, just replacing 'NTR' with 'cheating'.

As I stated already, without the focus on a partner suffering from the cheating, it's not NTR for me, just cheating. I think it's best if we leave it at that and agree to disagree.