RPGM Sword Art Online: The Trap of Breath Concealed Magic [Part 2 v0.551] [Fujino]

[4-kun]

In my view, although there is a general description for the NTR... At the end of the day the NTR depends on how each person feels it... I think it's really subjective... That is why there are games that present it in different ways, and you know that even if you know that you are going to find NTR, it gives you excitement to know how the author is going to do it...

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I know you don't like NTR, I just wanted to comment that

Agree on this, I understand why even some developers expand the meaning of the NTR genre, including Fujino. It provides greater flexibility in storytelling and character portrayal. Even in situations with a one-sided love interest, you can create an emotional connection with the audience that makes it feel like NTR.

For me, NTR is not so much about the "how" as it is about the "what.

 

[kinglionheart]

Agree on this, I understand why even some developers expand the meaning of the NTR genre, including Fujino. It provides greater flexibility in storytelling and character portrayal. Even in situations with a one-sided love interest, you can create an emotional connection with the audience that makes it feel like NTR.

For me, NTR is not so much about the "how" as it is about the "what.

There is no NTR without love. SAO is a popular NTR target because it wants to be a romance story but at least in the anime version the other girls keep having harem shenanigans. Damn studio not believing their viewers do not want harems. Like having harem appeal without being a harem.

If this is with a true harem show like To-Love-Ru then I doubt the feelings of NTR would as strong since Rito did not have such a strong feelings for any of the girls like Kirito and Asuna.

 

[4-kun]

There is no NTR without love. SAO is a popular NTR target because it wants to be a romance story but at least in the anime version the other girls keep having harem shenanigans. Damn studio not believing their viewers do not want harems. Like having harem appeal without being a harem.

If this is with a true harem show like To-Love-Ru then I doubt the feelings of NTR would as strong since Rito did not have such a strong feelings for any of the girls like Kirito and Asuna.

Yeah, even if the love is one-sided, you can still evoke the emotional essence of NTR, although it may not strictly align with the conventional notion of cheating or a partner being stolen.

Regarding the harem aspect, I also agree. While it's not impossible, something like Mushoku Tensei could potentially function as NTR, but it's undoubtedly more challenging to execute compared to a monogamous relationship.

 

[AlterInfernalAllius]

There is no NTR without love. SAO is a popular NTR target because it wants to be a romance story but at least in the anime version the other girls keep having harem shenanigans. Damn studio not believing their viewers do not want harems. Like having harem appeal without being a harem.

If this is with a true harem show like To-Love-Ru then I doubt the feelings of NTR would as strong since Rito did not have such a strong feelings for any of the girls like Kirito and Asuna.

There is no NTR without love. SAO is a popular NTR target because it wants to be a romance story but at least in the anime version the other girls keep having harem shenanigans. Damn studio not believing their viewers do not want harems. Like having harem appeal without being a harem.

If this is with a true harem show like To-Love-Ru then I doubt the feelings of NTR would as strong since Rito did not have such a strong feelings for any of the girls like Kirito and Asuna.

Yeah, even if the love is one-sided, you can still evoke the emotional essence of NTR, although it may not strictly align with the conventional notion of cheating or a partner being stolen.

Regarding the harem aspect, I also agree. While it's not impossible, something like Mushoku Tensei could potentially function as NTR, but it's undoubtedly more challenging to execute compared to a monogamous relationship.

I mean, I have seen that critic countless times about the anime, but I never found it particularly true? At best the anime had the girls be a bit more cheeky or blatant at some parts, but never directly contradicted anything of the novels, funnily enough. For all that the 'pure' SAO fans insist that the other girls never romantically loved Kirito or that they got over it, as a reader of the novels I can say that they all DID, Sinon being the only one that maybe always stayed mostly platonic, and Sortiliena too if we count less relevant characters. For all that some fans wanna 'blame the anime', you can find countless minor scenes, sidestories, or extra material where the girls make it blatant they're all into him, Silica, Lisbeth, and Suguha have quite a few of these, and Ronye never even once tried to tone herself down. And the less we say about the mess with Alice the better XD The author unironically suddenly trying to backpedal and tone down their blatantness in the latest novel-only (So far) arc doesn't make this any less true The difference is, they swallow their feelings and are legit happy for the main couple and support them in any way they can, not because they love Kirito but because they genuinely see both as great friends, but both things aren't mutually exclusive XP

To Love-Ru actually honestly counts more as NTR in my eyes because for SAO you can only 'really' NTR Asuna if you wanna be blunt, but for TLR a lot of the heroines count more than any of the non-Asuna SAO girls being stolen because Rito himself not only has accepted blatantly onscreen he liked Lala and Haruna (Who BOTH like him back), even if he never got together with them, but has actually had many scenes of blatant attraction and affection with most of the side-heroines, even if they also never put it beyond a certain point, there IS legit something there to 'steal' that's even mutual to a degree. Kirito meanwhile, while a bit of a troll or too friendly at times, never has shown any sort of real interest in the other girls.

Also, funnily enough, I actually find the SAO AU that actually is more blatant and Harem-like (The SAO Gameverse from the console/PC games) to feel better written than Canon SAO, and would probably think fits better for NTR of the series, but almost nobody really knows that one exists because it's extremely unpopular thanks to most of the fandom hating it for that exact reason XD

 

[albakr0ss]

agreed

I really don't understand why people consider this to be a good story. Part 1 was as typical of an NTR game as it could possibly be. There was no chemistry between the main characters to begin with. If it weren't for its well-known franchise, nobody would even believe that Kirito and Asuna are a couple. Both main characters are just flat NTR dummies, with the only interesting character being Inoda.

The extreme slowdown in progression and other changes in the world-building and character personalities in Part 2 make things even messier. Nothing makes any sense considering what and how things happened in Part 1.

That's definitely not what I would consider good storytelling

Fujino should've just kept things as they were in Part 1; then it would at least be consistent.
However, I understand that personal development is important, but doing it in the middle of a game is not a good idea.

I just gotta clarify I think since I’m the one who said a good story could be told. I agree that the game by no means is actually good in terms of general stories. Also agree that between part 1 and 2 there’s a disconnect that makes the overall story a mess.

I just think that looking at the base of the story goes without focusing on the details and issues, it still comes across as main hero duo take pity on newbie with unfortunate circumstance, newbie turns out to have ulterior motives and due to all the surrounding factors the newbie is slowly starting to corrupt half of the duo. Which to me is interesting, every situation just servers as a tool to further the story and serve as fap material.

 

[Urgot Main Urgot]

There are few NTR games that have a good story, most are just scenes, the first harassment involves sex in the next scene...

I think that in the next few years we could have a game with a lot of setting, history, development, etc., since now the devs are growing and learning, we could have more things to do.

 

[darkjoker13]

is any one have a save at 6/7 massage?

 

[AlterInfernalAllius]

is any one have a save at 6/7 massage?

The current latest update of the game comes with a Save in Slot 1 literally there

 

[xmagic]

bros, i hope he not ruin alice part with some mind controlling shit.

 

[kinglionheart]

There are few NTR games that have a good story, most are just scenes, the first harassment involves sex in the next scene...

I think that in the next few years we could have a game with a lot of setting, history, development, etc., since now the devs are growing and learning, we could have more things to do.

Unfortunately I think the opposite of you. In the future there will be less games with good settings and development. Porn games in general has been around for decades so people's tastes are pretty developed and the modern trend seems be more action and faster pace. There are some NTR with good story but those are becoming fewer. To have a good story it takes a lot of effort and today's most valuable resource is attention. People's time is valuable so that means it is extremely difficult to have enough people invested to last until the end. Just look at this game, when the pace slowed down for character development people complained so much. Why bother making making a good story if not enough people wants it?

I still remember Clannad, YUNO, and Fate/Stay Night as some of my favorite stories but I know if those games were made today, most people won't care about them because the lack of action and long narrative. I don't blame any developers changing their game to fit people's tastes. They want to a living from their craft.

 

[4-kun]

Unfortunately I think the opposite of you. In the future there will be less games with good settings and development. Porn games in general has been around for decades so people's tastes are pretty developed and the modern trend seems be more action and faster pace. There are some NTR with good story but those are becoming fewer. To have a good story it takes a lot of effort and today's most valuable resource is attention. People's time is valuable so that means it is extremely difficult to have enough people invested to last until the end. Just look at this game, when the pace slowed down for character development people complained so much. Why bother making making a good story if not enough people wants it?

I still remember Clannad, YUNO, and Fate/Stay Night as some of my favorite stories but I know if those games were made today, most people won't care about them because the lack of action and long narrative. I don't blame any developers changing their game to fit people's tastes. They want to a living from their craft.

I believe it's a two-way trend. On one hand, I agree that industries, in general, have shifted towards prioritizing quantity over quality. However, on the other hand, audiences are becoming increasingly weary of repetitive content. In the realm of adult games, I'd argue that the quality of some titles has actually improved compared to, let's say, five years ago.

 

[Urgot Main Urgot]

Unfortunately I think the opposite of you. In the future there will be less games with good settings and development. Porn games in general has been around for decades so people's tastes are pretty developed and the modern trend seems be more action and faster pace. There are some NTR with good story but those are becoming fewer. To have a good story it takes a lot of effort and today's most valuable resource is attention. People's time is valuable so that means it is extremely difficult to have enough people invested to last until the end. Just look at this game, when the pace slowed down for character development people complained so much. Why bother making making a good story if not enough people wants it?

I still remember Clannad, YUNO, and Fate/Stay Night as some of my favorite stories but I know if those games were made today, most people won't care about them because the lack of action and long narrative. I don't blame any developers changing their game to fit people's tastes. They want to a living from their craft.

I play every type of game there is, and man. There are only the same game, just with different characters and different scenes... Few devs really have history and development like Shinachiku, Acerola, BBQ and there are 2 more that are being developed, one this year and another for 2025, there was still Black Rune which The dev disappeared and never came back as he was focused on a lot of things.

I don't mind having scenes all the time, but there should be a story and its development, and I'm like that in manga too... I don't read when there's sex right away, and this SAO is only like that because the dev releases its game every month, then fans end up getting angry because there are so few scenes, which I don't blame, but it can't be exaggerated.

The problem with this Part 2 is that there are a lot of characters that Fujino added and the development of Asuna and Inoda was a little later... Like Alice, Kyoko and now Sinon, I don't mind that and I like the development, but when there is only dialogue and few actions, scenes and/or something to do, and you just read there and almost nothing happens. But it's a shame that people don't have patience, if they had patience this game could be one of the best with the plans that Fujino had planned.

 

[AlterInfernalAllius]

I play every type of game there is, and man. There are only the same game, just with different characters and different scenes... Few devs really have history and development like Shinachiku, Acerola, BBQ and there are 2 more that are being developed, one this year and another for 2025, there was still Black Rune which The dev disappeared and never came back as he was focused on a lot of things.

I don't mind having scenes all the time, but there should be a story and its development, and I'm like that in manga too... I don't read when there's sex right away, and this SAO is only like that because the dev releases its game every month, then fans end up getting angry because there are so few scenes, which I don't blame, but it can't be exaggerated.

The problem with this Part 2 is that there are a lot of characters that Fujino added and the development of Asuna and Inoda was a little later... Like Alice, Kyoko and now Sinon, I don't mind that and I like the development, but when there is only dialogue and few actions, scenes and/or something to do, and you just read there and almost nothing happens. But it's a shame that people don't have patience, if they had patience this game could be one of the best with the plans that Fujino had planned.

I think the biggest issue was Fujino starting to make 'polls', especially the character one that unnecessarily bloated the game before the big issues he had at the start of Part 2 happened: Kyouko and Sinon WERE always gonna be part of the game, they were teased since back in Part 1, but Alice and Liz for example were only added after they won a character poll, then he also added Administrator/Quinella on top of that (Which was the only one that was his own initiative to be fair).

Then when all the complaints started getting to him he started making more polls that he hasn't been managing well (As shown when BOTH polls so far weren't 'locked' so anyone could vote as many times as they wanted from their google account instead of just once per account), and the backlash of people complaining again and again for the lack of patience and these polls has made him go back and forth a bit too much.

 

[kinglionheart]

I believe it's a two-way trend. On one hand, I agree that industries, in general, have shifted towards prioritizing quantity over quality. However, on the other hand, audiences are becoming increasingly weary of repetitive content. In the realm of adult games, I'd argue that the quality of some titles has actually improved compared to, let's say, five years ago.

Everything is circular so it is possible. But that is only with a indie developer. All the developers working with big studios won't take the risk and try to make something special but will instead rely on the try and true formula. The games in the past was special because everyone was experimenting to figure out the formula. Now everyone knows the formula the ones with the money don't want to experiment anymore.

 

[kinglionheart]

I think the biggest issue was Fujino starting to make 'polls', especially the character one that unnecessarily bloated the game before the big issues he had at the start of Part 2 happened: Kyouko and Sinon WERE always gonna be part of the game, they were teased since back in Part 1, but Alice and Liz for example were only added after they won a character poll, then he also added Administrator/Quinella on top of that (Which was the only one that was his own initiative to be fair).

Then when all the complaints started getting to him he started making more polls that he hasn't been managing well (As shown when BOTH polls so far weren't 'locked' so anyone could vote as many times as they wanted from their google account instead of just once per account), and the backlash of people complaining again and again for the lack of patience and these polls has made him go back and forth a bit too much.

The price of success! Back when he was mostly unknown, he only had himself to answer to. But now with so many supporters to answer to, he can't just do what he wants unless he wants to go back to mostly unknown and diehard fans. To choose between money and passion. Not a easy choice.

 

[Urgot Main Urgot]

I think the biggest issue was Fujino starting to make 'polls', especially the character one that unnecessarily bloated the game before the big issues he had at the start of Part 2 happened: Kyouko and Sinon WERE always gonna be part of the game, they were teased since back in Part 1, but Alice and Liz for example were only added after they won a character poll, then he also added Administrator/Quinella on top of that (Which was the only one that was his own initiative to be fair).

Then when all the complaints started getting to him he started making more polls that he hasn't been managing well (As shown when BOTH polls so far weren't 'locked' so anyone could vote as many times as they wanted from their google account instead of just once per account), and the backlash of people complaining again and again for the lack of patience and these polls has made him go back and forth a bit too much.

Sinon and Kyoko I think are ok, but Liz also doesn't see a problem since she's become the main character now, the biggest complaint was when she got to Alice's part, where there were almost no scenes and such, not even with Asuna, which people would think Inoda would be in. with Asuna and show them doing things on screen, while Kirito works with Alice.

Research is good, but he put it in as soon as he started developing the game, which was a big hindrance. If he had done it before starting, it would have been fine.

 

[AlterInfernalAllius]

The price of success! Back when he was mostly unknown, he only had himself to answer to. But now with so many supporters to answer to, he can't just do what he wants unless he wants to go back to mostly unknown and diehard fans. To choose between money and passion. Not a easy choice.

It's even worse when you recall the guy literally fled his country and started practically from 0 to be able to continue making his games, so yeah, it's a bit of a sad situation

 

[Urgot Main Urgot]

The price of success! Back when he was mostly unknown, he only had himself to answer to. But now with so many supporters to answer to, he can't just do what he wants unless he wants to go back to mostly unknown and diehard fans. To choose between money and passion. Not a easy choice.

Man, I would choose money, too... But I wouldn't let people hinder my development. The country where I live has a lot of problems with the minimum wage, I would go that route too, unfortunately.

 

[AlterInfernalAllius]

Sinon and Kyoko I think are ok, but Liz also doesn't see a problem since she's become the main character now, the biggest complaint was when she got to Alice's part, where there were almost no scenes and such, not even with Asuna, which people would think Inoda would be in. with Asuna and show them doing things on screen, while Kirito works with Alice.

Research is good, but he put it in as soon as he started developing the game, which was a big hindrance. If he had done it before starting, it would have been fine.

Liz is easier to accept because she was added to the main plot, which is what most people cares for, but doesn't change the fact that if she hadn't been around then it would have been only Kyouko who had a subplot with Inoda there and things would probably have gone faster anyway because there would be no need to develop another new character and induct it into the plot XD

But yeah, Alice's is without a doubt the 'worst' because there is basically no reason for her plot or character to exist except that because Fujino had to put her in the game because she won the poll (As I mentioned before she's basically just an OC with Alice's face and name really because she has nothing of the actual Alice character from SAO as Fujino had to completely rework her to fit in his NTR AU). Her plot had 0 connection to the main plot in general beyond marginal things Fujino had to clearly write to try and keep things a bit connected, unlike Suguha's plot which kinda worked because she was Kirito's "sister" and the cafe where she worked was a regular place for the plot back during Part 1. Which when combined with how slow it has been going has made it seem really forced, and that the game would honestly be better off without it, but sadly at this point Fujino can't just scrap Alice's storyline, so yeah, people has to live with it.

 

[kinglionheart]

It's even worse when you recall the guy literally fled his country and started practically from 0 to be able to continue making his games, so yeah, it's a bit of a sad situation

Man, I would choose money, too... But I wouldn't let people hinder my development. The country where I live has a lot of problems with the minimum wage, I would go that route too, unfortunately.

Once this game is close to finish, I will definitely suggest to him his next game he should just do a GoFundMe or Kickstarter to fund his entire game instead of the monthly subscription. If there isn't a monthly requirement, then hopefully he can have the balance between money and passion. He should has enough reputation by then to have enough people pay upfront.