scyllah

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...And that was my exact point of quitting. The "choices" were just an illusion, the build-up is lost and we get a ho' straight up from the start.
That's one big problem I have with "Whore Of Babylon" type of games who position themselves as the ones with choices - cool, the chick will cheat, but let me at least have a choice who will be a lucky fella. And then the whole choice is "Would you like the hubby to be fucked or to be fucked, but with one more render?" Who are these people who get off to 35 dudes fucking one girl and her being a complete cumdump?
Eh, more choices would be nice, but the development going as slow as it does, really the only choices you would end up with are content or skip content and that's it for this version. Also iirc the game/dev never claimed to be "the one with choices"

And you pretty much put both the job description for a hardcore pornstar and the plot for most female prot games on here at the end :LOL:
 

scyllah

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But in all fairness, and with all the love for the developer, I must say that last update looks rushed, too many things happen in short time and without proper ground preparation for the events.

Maybe the Dev should show down the pace for delivering better quality.

High frequency release is not important if the game becomes soulless.

What do you think?
I guess that's a problem with patreon. If you promise regular updates and get money because of that promise you're risking losing more and more patrons by pushing updates back again and again even if they're not finished. You're pretty much stuck then I'd say.
But afaik the dev is at least actively commmunicating with his patrons so that's good
 
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ScrewMe

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Eh, more choices would be nice, but the development going as slow as it does, really the only choices you would end up with are content or skip content and that's it for this version. Also iirc the game/dev never claimed to be "the one with choices"

And you pretty much put both the job description for a hardcore pornstar and the plot for most female prot games on here at the end :LOL:
And you're saying like Pornstar is your regular job at the office)

The biggest FemProtag hits in here have these kind of choices, though. Look at AWAM where one path may lock out another one. Or JOHN, where you can avoid any dude you want.
That's the problem IMO.
One thing when Rape or something like it gets the plot going or builds the character, antagonist etc. But when characters in the story don't change at all and are just the way they are right away - then what's the point of your story and the journey they go through?
You could use an argument "oh, story in nsfw games", but if you don't need any story and build-up, why would you play a game and not fap to cartoonish porn/your generic stuff at PH, right?
 
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scyllah

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And you're saying like Pornstar is your regular job at the office)

The biggest FemProtag hits in here have these kind of choices, though. Look at AWAM where one path may lock out another one. Or JOHN, where you can avoid any dude you want.
That's the problem IMO.
One thing when Rape or something like it gets the plot going or builds the character, antagonist etc. But when characters in the story don't change at all and are just the way they are right away - then what's the point of your story and the journey they go through?
You could use an argument "oh, story in nsfw games", but if you don't need any story and build-up, why would you play a game and not fap to cartoonish porn/your generic stuff at PH, right?
Well I mean pornstars make a decent living with their shoots or so I've heard, sounds like a job to me. ;)

And I totally get where you're coming from with more choices. I really do.
But you can't honestly compare a pretty new game from an unexperienced hobby dev with a game like AWAM which heavily focuses on story development and multiple paths (also it's in renpy which I'd say is a better engine for a lot of choices anyway)

And there's still a story there, sure it's neither Ulysses nor as fleshed out or central as in AWAM, but there's something there. If it's not enough for you, that's ok. You've made your point clear enough and this game might not be for you then.
But who knows, maybe if you check back in a few years there might be more for you ;)(y)
 
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...And that was my exact point of quitting. The "choices" were just an illusion, the build-up is lost and we get a ho' straight up from the start.
That's one big problem I have with "Whore Of Babylon" type of games who position themselves as the ones with choices - cool, the chick will cheat, but let me at least have a choice who will be a lucky fella. And then the whole choice is "Would you like the hubby to be fucked or to be fucked, but with one more render?" Who are these people who get off to 35 dudes fucking one girl and her being a complete cumdump?
The illusion of choice is there because thats what it is for the character. An illusion. Everyone knows its going to happen. The idea is not if, but when and how.

Secondly the plot builds up to more and more explicit levels with varying risks. Thats what people enjoy with corruption stories. The elevation of the plot over time as they break down from their own personal experiences. Thats quite literally a plot device in every corruption story whether its an NTR wife, or a guy banging 14 girls in a harem. Like I even expressed before, the story that you and the previous person suggests isn't even what happened. The wife doesn't start as a ho right away. But it happens over many scenes.

Lastly its cool you want a pick your own adventure where every choice matters. the reality is the scope of such a game like that is insanely larger than a game with illusions of choice. Plotting out a game like that would take a long time even in the scripting stage for the story alone. Let alone drafting, drawing/rendering, and completing the scenes for each which exponentially explode with choice based games. Different dialogues, plot trees, etc etc etc. All the people saying "why do my choices not matter!!" in games like this just wholly downplay the amount of effort that explicit kind of game takes. We have entire games that fit that mold on f95 that have been updating for YEARS and still aren't close to completion. Its easier to just tell a story straight out. Even the game you mention before, A Wife and Mother, has been going on since 2017.

These kinds of complaints just feel like nitpicks. And it feels more like its the typical "I hate NTR so I'm gonna play an NTR game and then try and covertly bash it without saying it". Just alone with the complaint "Who are these people who get off to 35 dudes fucking one girl and her being a complete cumdump?" shows exactly what you don't like about the game. And thats fine. Thats why we have the genre tags.
 
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Pierre76450

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Small clarification for those who criticize the creator of the game, know that the Creator is studying, so it is logical at times that he favors his future and his studies rather than the development of the game.
Of course I can understand your frustration but you can also understand that the person does not always have the time to concentrate on the game.

When talking about the low content put in this update 0.8 I can tell you that the first who should be disappointed is the creator but instead of criticizing, encourage him to continue developing this superb game, it is not by criticizing at all costs that it will make the creator want to continue it, many game creators give up on criticism so criticizing is understandable but make logical and constructive criticism and above all don't allow yourself to insult a thief creator when you didn't have what you wanted, it's very difficult to create games because you have to both satisfy the old ones that they like the content and try to attract new ones so it's a little complicated to convince everyone but once again it's not a critic without any objectivity that it's okay help the developer.

sorry, my english bad.
 

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The illusion of choice is there because thats what it is for the character. An illusion. Everyone knows its going to happen. The idea is not if, but when and how.

Secondly the plot builds up to more and more explicit levels with varying risks. Thats what people enjoy with corruption stories. The elevation of the plot over time as they break down from their own personal experiences. Thats quite literally a plot device in every corruption story whether its an NTR wife, or a guy banging 14 girls in a harem. Like I even expressed before, the story that you and the previous person suggests isn't even what happened. The wife doesn't start as a ho right away. But it happens over many scenes.

Lastly its cool you want a pick your own adventure where every choice matters. the reality is the scope of such a game like that is insanely larger than a game with illusions of choice. Plotting out a game like that would take a long time even in the scripting stage for the story alone. Let alone drafting, drawing/rendering, and completing the scenes for each which exponentially explode with choice based games. Different dialogues, plot trees, etc etc etc. All the people saying "why do my choices not matter!!" in games like this just wholey downplay the amount of effort that explicit kind of game takes. We have entire games that fit that mold on f95 that have been updating for YEARS and still aren't close to completion. Its easier to just tell a story straight out. Event he game you mention before, A Wife and Mother, has been going on since 2017.

These kinds of complaints just feel like nitpicks. And it feels more like its the typical "I hate NTR so I'm gonna play an NTR game and then try and covertly bash it without saying it". Just alone with the complaint " Who are these people who get off to 35 dudes fucking one girl and her being a complete cumdump? " shows exactly what you don't like about the game. And thats fine. Thats why we have the genre tags.
The action with the girl getting into inapropriate stuff happens on day 1, if my memory serves me right. It's not "What hell is wrong with these creeps" but "He groped me. It's bad but I liked it" - again, build-up is lacking.
As someone who's trying to make his own game at this point, the main thing which eats most of the time with me aren't branches, choices and plot - it's the fking time it takes to render stuff. Writing the dialogues gives you a heavy head, on that I agree.

Want to make a kinetic novel? Cool. Once more: do the proper build-up then. In here, it's "oh, a creep". And then another. And then another. Creep at the bar - oh, why won't I sit on his lap and then go to an empty room with him - nothing would happen, obviously? Creep at the beach - why won't I let him give me a massage)
The idea is good. If the main thing is girl's corruption then well...there's nothing to corrupt since she's already there on the day of arrival.
Hm, the elevation of the plot..."I suck a dick of my neighbor. And then the bald guy at the gym. And then I suck a dick of an old coworker. And a teenager. And then I suck two dicks" - does it develop the character in any kind at that point? It's just satisfying kinks at that point. If it's like that, then let me get to choose who to bang)

Who complains? I just shared an opinion. Whore yourself out(Slut type of game) and Magic Dick(Harem) are not my types of the game cause in 9 cases out of 10 they're written poorly and give you an impression of a teenage boy fantasy who never talked to a woman before.
 
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The action with the girl getting into inapropriate stuff happens on day 1, if my memory serves me right. It's not "What hell is wrong with these creeps" but "He groped me. It's bad but I liked it" - again, build-up is lacking.
As someone who's trying to make his own game at this point, the main thing which eats most of the time with me aren't branches, choices and plot - it's the fking time it takes to render stuff. Writing the dialogues gives you a heavy head, on that I agree.

Want to make a kinetic novel? Cool, do the build-up then. In here, if my memory serves me right, it's "oh, a creep". And then another. And then another. Creep at the bar - oh, why won't I sit on his lap and then go to an empty room with him - nothing would happen, obviously? Creep at the beach - why won't I let him give me a massage)
The idea is good. If the main thing is girl's corruption then well...there's nothing to corrupt since she's already there on the day of arrival.
Hm, the elevation of the plot..."I suck a dick of my neighbor. And then the bald guy at the gym. And then I suck a dick of an old coworker. And a teenager. And then I suck two dicks" - does it develop the character in any kind at that point? It's just satisfying kinks at that point. If it's like that, then let me get to choose who to bang)

Who complains? I just shared an opinion. Whore yourself out(Slut type of game) and Magic Dick(Harem) are not my types of the game cause in 9 cases out of 10 they're written poorly and give you an impression of a teenage boy fantasy who never talked to a woman before.
I completely understand what you mean and I somewhat share your opinion. personally it doesn't bother me that much since I play it just to pass the time not to have a good time but I understand what you mean.

After my message did not concern you since in what you say it is a constructive criticism, I am talking criticize without any objectivity you this is not your case so my message did not concern you.
 

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Hi there HNStudy, Happy new year man!
I was so happy to see that you managed to put out another episode :)
I really liked it, we are no getting slowly to the heated part of the game ;)
I hope you all right and you will have this year even more time to your "hobby/passion" :)
 

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...And that was my exact point of quitting. The "choices" were just an illusion, the build-up is lost and we get a ho' straight up from the start.
That's one big problem I have with "Whore Of Babylon" type of games who position themselves as the ones with choices - cool, the chick will cheat, but let me at least have a choice who will be a lucky fella. And then the whole choice is "Would you like the hubby to be fucked or to be fucked, but with one more render?" Who are these people who get off to 35 dudes fucking one girl and her being a complete cumdump?
Does the game have animations?
 

twistyelf

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And you're saying like Pornstar is your regular job at the office)

The biggest FemProtag hits in here have these kind of choices, though. Look at AWAM where one path may lock out another one. Or JOHN, where you can avoid any dude you want.
That's the problem IMO.
One thing when Rape or something like it gets the plot going or builds the character, antagonist etc. But when characters in the story don't change at all and are just the way they are right away - then what's the point of your story and the journey they go through?
You could use an argument "oh, story in nsfw games", but if you don't need any story and build-up, why would you play a game and not fap to cartoonish porn/your generic stuff at PH, right?

JOHN and AWAM are what games? Cause your discussion is selling me on trying them out.
 
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