Ren'Py Abandoned Teacher's Pets [v2.06.1] [irredeemable]

[kzk0987]

In this case you're free to leave the game alone or at least give an alternative about the platform. Quite a few devs have faced the situation so far although it seems like this one is an especially tough case. If patreon didn't start to bitch about stuff he wouldn't have changed the game, but since it's necessary it's not like he can do anything about it and since he wasn't too happy about this stuff to begin with he made a hard cut, even if he had to disappoint a few people. You can't make everyone happy anyway, so there'll always be some colleteral damage.

Just no. There's no excuse for changing the content. Just look at any other dev. They've simply cleaned up their public pages and had no issue afterwards.

And even if he wanted to remove sensitive content from the Patreon page altogether, a much more sensible alternative would be setting up a game site elsewhere for providing the free links. That's the most obvious solution everyone is ignoring for some reason. You don't need to post content on Patreon itself, just look at how most youtube or podcast people handle it. Changing content because of the new guidelines of what you can post on Patreon is just a kneejerk and shortsighted reaction. Patreon is not going to check every single devblog provided to see if the games they offer are or aren't in accord with their rules. They don't have a reason to, that's beyond their domain and they can't be culpabilized by anything there. If anything not bothering people who have hidden the nature of their content from the public page already shows whtat actually shutting it down is a low priority (though still worrying. I'm not saying people shouldn't seek new platforms, I'm saying that panicking and changing your game is not the right decision).

I don't get why people are talking like Patreon is forcing them to change content or get off the platform when that is clearly not what is happening, at least as far as I know. Admitedly I haven't followed the situation closely for a few weeks, but I haven't seen anyone have problems either since they just cleaned up their frontpages.

 

[aaronsss]

From what I have seen with other developers, I think that as long as it isn't actually put into words on the page, you can have whatever content in your game that you want. As long as your patreon page doesn't outright say that there are "mind control" elements in the game, then it is fine. I honestly think deem could keep the content in, like I said just removing any mention of the "mind control" element of the game. What Patreon doesn't know won't hurt them am I right?!

 

[Shiva0067]

Sad to say that it seems to be based on the reviewer not actual content. Cheerleader girl (sorry can't think of her name right now) was declared as looking under-age.

The MC pill always seemed out of place to me in this game, kind of a quick fix. Now my PERSONAL thought was that DEEM should replace them with wonderful GLORIOUS chocolate chip cookies. These would allow the TEACH to control ladies with their need for chocolate, give us some wonderful (hopefully erotic) cooking scenes, and be FAR more believable.

It will be interesting to see how the fashion show with Daughter/renter/whatever 'Official' designation the still in my mind DAUGHTER will come about. I'm hoping for maybe a tease or two from her then we can ask for a full show. Might work if we have another shopping trip with her and Sarah for build-up.

Just some thoughts.

P.S. Chocolate Chip Cookies RULE.

 

[UncleVT]

Just no. There's no excuse for changing the content. Just look at any other dev. They've simply cleaned up their public pages and had no issue afterwards.

And even if he wanted to remove sensitive content from the Patreon page altogether, a much more sensible alternative would be setting up a game site elsewhere for providing the free links. That's the most obvious solution everyone is ignoring for some reason. You don't need to post content on Patreon itself, just look at how most youtube or podcast people handle it. Changing content because of the new guidelines of what you can post on Patreon is just a kneejerk and shortsighted reaction. Patreon is not going to check every single devblog provided to see if the games they offer are or aren't in accord with their rules. They don't have a reason to, that's beyond their domain and they can't be culpabilized by anything there. If anything not bothering people who have hidden the nature of their content from the public page already shows whtat actually shutting it down is a low priority (though still worrying. I'm not saying people shouldn't seek new platforms, I'm saying that panicking and changing your game is not the right decision).

I don't get why people are talking like Patreon is forcing them to change content or get off the platform when that is clearly not what is happening, at least as far as I know. Admitedly I haven't followed the situation closely for a few weeks, but I haven't seen anyone have problems either since they just cleaned up their frontpages.

You're wrong. See this

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And others devs like Faerin and here Deem received the same.

 

[Ente Supremo]

Just no. There's no excuse for changing the content. Just look at any other dev. They've simply cleaned up their public pages and had no issue afterwards.

And even if he wanted to remove sensitive content from the Patreon page altogether, a much more sensible alternative would be setting up a game site elsewhere for providing the free links. That's the most obvious solution everyone is ignoring for some reason. You don't need to post content on Patreon itself, just look at how most youtube or podcast people handle it. Changing content because of the new guidelines of what you can post on Patreon is just a kneejerk and shortsighted reaction. Patreon is not going to check every single devblog provided to see if the games they offer are or aren't in accord with their rules. They don't have a reason to, that's beyond their domain and they can't be culpabilized by anything there. If anything not bothering people who have hidden the nature of their content from the public page already shows whtat actually shutting it down is a low priority (though still worrying. I'm not saying people shouldn't seek new platforms, I'm saying that panicking and changing your game is not the right decision).

I don't get why people are talking like Patreon is forcing them to change content or get off the platform when that is clearly not what is happening, at least as far as I know. Admitedly I haven't followed the situation closely for a few weeks, but I haven't seen anyone have problems either since they just cleaned up their frontpages.

From what I have seen with other developers, I think that as long as it isn't actually put into words on the page, you can have whatever content in your game that you want. As long as your patreon page doesn't outright say that there are "mind control" elements in the game, then it is fine. I honestly think deem could keep the content in, like I said just removing any mention of the "mind control" element of the game. What Patreon doesn't know won't hurt them am I right?!

They can do that at their own risk, if u people read what Faerin posted about this situation u may understand a little better... Patreon practically said "remove that and that... and that" and consider from now on posting only stuff that comply with our new TOS... fine, but those TOS are one hell of vague requests and conditions, its hard to see whats really allowed or even feel that u are getting enforced to a situation like "do as I please wen I please"... I think most small devs are in total disadvantage with this stuff and I can understand why some may get the chills...
About patreon not knowing, that may roll for a while, but it only takes 1 stupid patron reporting ur stuff and u can get banned again...
At least thats what I understood about this shit storm.

 

[kzk0987]

From what I have seen with other developers, I think that as long as it isn't actually put into words on the page, you can have whatever content in your game that you want. As long as your patreon page doesn't outright say that there are "mind control" elements in the game, then it is fine. I honestly think deem could keep the content in, like I said just removing any mention of the "mind control" element of the game. What Patreon doesn't know won't hurt them am I right?!

Yeah basically this is what people have been saying. In my opinion it's still better be safe than sorry and provide the free build in a devblog or website somewhere else in my opinion. While I really doubt Patreon has the manpower to actually check the games linked and see if it contains anything illegal (though the thought of a patreon employee playing through dozens of porn games in search of mind control and incest is pretty funny), maybe linking a game full of incest rape porn in the open front page is not the greatest idea.
But that doesn't entail changing the game itself in any way.

And though I talked about how I think having the public build elsewhere is a more sound idea, I reiterate that so far only removing the mentions of the sensitive themes in the Patreon public page and keeping the game linked there has been enough to avoid trouble.
But if you can't mention your game's full content on your page, that still makes a devblog or something necessary for sharing that information and discussing it more in-depth, if you're interested in attracting new players.

EDIT - OR NOT. As UncleVT's post above mine shows (I was just about to post, will left stuff intact), people are getting in trouble over content posted publicly. Still though, my point remains that if the links were provided elsewhere, with Patreon not linking it directly (Like, not a link to the post or page that contains the new release, but simply " a link to my game site", which in turn contains a download section), they probably won't bother as it is not their problem, not something they're hosting or can be directly associated with (as you're linking them to a page where they'll still need to actively search to get to the porn), and something that would take more time to check out on a day to day basis.
At the very least, if that doesn't work in definitive, it still will probably buy a lot more time to people who are unwilling to change their content or that have forbidden stuff (Incest and MC seem to be major problems, and two very popular porn game themes) as their main theme.

 

[kzk0987]

They can do that at their own risk, if u people read what Faerin posted about this situation u may understand a little better... Patreon practically said "remove that and that... and that" and consider from now on posting only stuff that comply with our new TOS... fine, but those TOS are one hell of vague requests and conditions, its hard to see whats really allowed or even feel that u are getting enforced to a situation like "do as I please wen I please"... I think most small devs are in total disadvantage with this stuff and I can understand why some may get the chills...
About patreon not knowing, that may roll for a while, but it only takes 1 stupid patron reporting ur stuff and u can get banned again...
At least thats what I understood about this shit storm.

Yeah but the other alternative is leaving Patreon, which no one is willing to do just yet.
Still I think just rolling with the possibility of they not finding out, or taking longer to find out, stalling until an hypothetical point they might be less interested in enforcing the guidelines, because that is very time consuming and I assume costly on their end, as there are some rumors flying around that the reason they are doing this at all is that one of those cancerous gamepress sites is going to make a hit piece on how Patreon is full of incestuous rapegames. People from these sites have approached devs and Patreon staff alike, the rumors says. If that's true, it would explain a lot, they're preparing preemptively and might relax a little after the storm passes. We have no way of knowing.

But I still think trying to stall for time and come up with ways that Patreon won't have the time or the interest in censoring you (by providing content on other sites or something) is still better than just lowering your head and just doing what they say with total disregard for your own patrons (this last part doesn't apply to this game as it has a wider variety of stuff, I'm talking more about the people focused on MC, Incest or other tricky themes) and for your game itself. If people just do what they say instead of standing on their own then there will never be a future for these kinds of games. And that shouldn't be accepted, why the fuck do the authorities care so much about regulating what people are fapping to?

 

[michelangelol]

he can use a mod to make game like it was as Faerin did

 

[Ente Supremo]

Yeah but the other alternative is leaving Patreon, which no one is willing to do just yet.
Still I think just rolling with the possibility of they not finding out, or taking longer to find out, stalling until an hypothetical point they might be less interested in enforcing the guidelines, because that is very time consuming and I assume costly on their end, as there are some rumors flying around that the reason they are doing this at all is that one of those cancerous gamepress sites is going to make a hit piece on how Patreon is full of incestuous rapegames. People from these sites have approached devs and Patreon staff alike, the rumors says. If that's true, it would explain a lot, they're preparing prehemptively and might relax a little after the storm passes. We have no way of knowing.

But I still think trying to stall for time and come up with ways that Patreon won't have the time or the interest in censoring you (by providing content on other sites or something) is still better than just lowering your head and just doing what they say with total disregard for your own patrons (this last part doesn't apply to this game as it has a wider variety of stuff, I'm talking more about the people focused on MC, Incest or other tricky themes) and for your game itself. If people just do what they say instead of standing on their own then there will never be a future for these kinds of games. And that shouldn't be accepted, why the fuck do the authorities care so much about regulating what people are fapping to?

Ur are allowed to have ur opinion mate, but u also know that this topic has his own thread and we were asked to discuss this there... how I know u do? cause I saw ur posts in there, so if u wanna continue, do it were it belongs, please:

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EDITED

While I can relate to some of ur ideas, I now can see why that thread was created, cause I passed these days by many of my fav games and man... if that thread wasent there all other threads would become a mess for sure... its an itchy topic for many people mate, including me.

 

[muttdoggy]

Let's get back on topic here, folks. Patreon alternatives can go in that thread, Patreon issues can go its own thread, and before you comment about whether or not a dev is "spineless", please read the thread and their patreon, blogs, etc to see what they say before judging them.
Now, @irredeemable has said that he felt all along that the "mind control pill" was not in his plan but was used for a "quick fix". This was before the patreon issue. Second, he really really likes the character of the dealer and wanted to work him in somehow. Third, he got stuck with a reviewer who seems rather harsh. Because of this reviewer, he was asked to make changes to kaitlyn, remove mentions of "school" and "incest content" in the game. Now that's beyond what was said by Jack Conte but he was at the mercy of the reviewer. Now, he knows that we can "mod" it back and has come up with a way to do that so we can play the vision that he envisioned at first.
So.. net result, we are still able to get the game and have access to a mod that puts the incest back in. So he's offering a mod to return the content that the reviewer demanded be taken out. The only thing is the mind control drug. There will be another way and he was wanting to change it anways so he's gonna do that.
I don't see that as spineless or catering to anyone.

 

[kzk0987]

I fully admit I was talking without knowing the full situation when I said that. And I'm sorry for that.
And I'm sorry but even though I understand the tough spot people are put on, I really can't accept they just sucking it up and mutilating their own game to fit what Patreon wants. So I end up getting pretty heated about it. I understand now that these elements weren't even big in the first place (I was beginning the game when I first posted) and that he was thinking about changing it anyway.
Anyway, have already moved on to discuss Patreon-related thing in the correct thread, sorry for bothering you guys in this thread.

 

[Shiva0067]

ty mutt.

So what do people think about my idea for the fashion show?? Could have a couple different shopping trips with or without others and we get to see the results of our money spending prowess.. Maybe 3 trips and 3 shows, first we wait outside then see the outfits, 2nd inside room with back turned, then finally start peeking on show 3.. possibly with more and sexier outfits after additional shopping??

Also, I have been disturbed by something during the college trip with Megan. Why the HECK do we need to mow the lawn. My dad always told me that's what kids are for, so shouldn't the lovely D in this game be doing it??

Just a thought.

P.S. Chocolate Chip Cookies and Tiny Tina Rule.

 

[Ente Supremo]

I fully admit I was talking without knowing the full situation when I said that. And I'm sorry for that.
And I'm sorry but even though I understand the tough spot people are put on, I really can't accept they just sucking it up and mutilating their own game to fit what Patreon wants. So I end up getting pretty heated about it. I understand now that these elements weren't even big in the first place (I was beginning the game when I first posted) and that he was thinking about changing it anyway.
Anyway, have already moved on to discuss Patreon-related thing in the correct thread, sorry for bothering you guys in this thread.

Dont u worry mate, we all get angry sometimes, its a given...

I just wanna say that I played this game from the beginning and im confident that irredeemable will find a workaround to all the shit, hes clearly a crafty man... besides the Dogerator said it, hes around here pretty consistently and he seems very friendly and helpfull fellow so... in regards of what he will or willl not do, well, I almost everytime choose to be surprised

ps/ By the way @muttdoggy, I ended up here thanks to what I pressume was one of ur posts in svscomics (it was the same nickname at least) and I never got the chance to thank u, so there, thanks man, this site is awsome

 

[muttdoggy]

@Ente Supremo Yeah it was me. Now I'm some kind of beginner member and cannot comment anymore.
Oh well. Their loss. Anyways, What if you get D to mow the lawn when you return or on any given Sunday. She's in a thin t-shirt, no bra, it's HOT outside, she's sweating and you give her some really cold lemonade. With chocolate chip cookies.

 

[Ente Supremo]

@Ente Supremo Yeah it was me. Now I'm some kind of beginner member and cannot comment anymore.
Oh well. Their loss. Anyways, What if you get D to mow the lawn when you return or on any given Sunday. She's in a thin t-shirt, no bra, it's HOT outside, she's sweating and you give her some really cold lemonade. With chocolate chip cookies.

Cool, then I finally got the chance to thank u, nice.
Hahaha, with D I would do so many things man, that thing in the yard on a Monday to Sunday streak, with lemonade, chips and a nice lollipop for desert... then a wild sesion of pillow fights and a nice warm bath and... so many more things man... but let me be surprised u dog! XD

 

[Dasati]

Better, make it an extra curricular activity for students, so once a week a different girl comes to mow your lawn. Think of the possibilities.

 

[Lykanz]

How did so many games, both big and small, manage to stay the same while containing everything deem has claimed he needed to remove/change? It doesn't make sense to me that Patreon response to these games would vary that much. I know we're not supposed to discuss that in here but I couldn't find the right thread, could someone direct me to the right one?

AFAIK, Deem got a real hardass patreon agent on his back. Maybe other devs weren't that "lucky".

 

[spimpolo]

Hi guys.
I'm only missing achievements 10, 13, 23 and 24. Anybody knows what are they and how to get?
I know I still wasn't able to make Kaithlin sit in the front row without panties, but her corruption is 11 and I don't know how to get to 15. Any tips?

Cheers

 

[Dasati]

Hi guys.
I'm only missing achievements 10, 13, 23 and 24. Anybody knows what are they and how to get?
I know I still wasn't able to make Kaithlin sit in the front row without panties, but her corruption is 11 and I don't know how to get to 15. Any tips?

Cheers

Achievement list here

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[spimpolo]

Achievement list here

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Thanks, man! So my main problem is Kaitlyn...
I guess I lost the chance to sell the beer and raise the corruption level, as the only option with her is always "try to blackmail" and the blowjob and tits option work, but can't get her to remove panties in class. Corruption frozen at 11...