gestved
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if I'm not mistaken the delay only happened because he had to re work the entire game because of a hacker, a troll, and patreon, none of which were his fault, plus he worked on it (according to him) tirelessly for well over 8 hours a day, now im not a game dev, but i know a few people irl that actually work in the field and re working a lot of core mechanics can take LITERALLY months, and isn't deem working by himself? tbh that last part I'm not sure about, but a solo dev designing a 3d game like this i can easily see months and months before actual content updates.
Also, narrow minded? Na dude, i get the whole pissed off thing, but it doesn't give people the right to bash him constantly. If it was me, and people constantly bashed my work that 80% of the thread aren't paying for id say f off and make it patreon only like a lot of other games on this site with some sort of teaser.
rodneyeatme
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Joke in the matter is that Deem showed before that he is capable (iirc) to relase stable and substancial updates on regular basis. Moreover, he initialy seemed like someone who is intelligent and capable of engaging with fans and had ability to grow and getting better in what's he doing.
Then, at some point, he seemed to lose every one of this qualities. Wtf happened? No satisfactionary answer was delivered.
Then, at some point, he seemed to lose every one of this qualities. Wtf happened? No satisfactionary answer was delivered.
gestved
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hopefully after irredeemable updates the game to 2.0 he will get his shit together and stop burning himself with unrealistic deadlines and by constantly changing plans
I am waiting but I'm not a patron, so I'm really not complaining, I just wish success for the project and it's important to be consistent and predictable
I am waiting but I'm not a patron, so I'm really not complaining, I just wish success for the project and it's important to be consistent and predictable
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The answer has been discussed but maybe not clear or obvious. The regular updates previously were just adding to existing code and other content. After what happened, he had to re-write the entire game and re-do a lot of images. There's a huge difference between updates and re-writing that much code, dialogue, and new imaging, especially for someone who insists on quality work.
In addition, after going at this as much as he has been for as long as he has been, I suspect he's either burning out or at least worn down and it's more difficult doing quality work like that. I think things will get back to normal once he finishes this first re-release and gets some rest.
The unrealistic deadlines are a hallmark of someone that's never had to manage this kind of work before.
It's not a fault - it's just a basic reality.
Anyone that's gone through having to work on a major project where you have tons of things to do, and there's no way to know whether any hiccups will come up along the way, learns real fast just how difficult - and sometimes impossible - it is to guess how long it will take to do something. Ask the average graduate student how long it will take them to finish their thesis/dissertation and you'll just get an angry glare in return...because there's really no way to know.
I'm still in the camp of giving this guy the benefit of the doubt. If he's trying to milk out one more Patron charge...that doesn't even make sense. He could be doing FAR more - with less work - to milk people of money. All he'd need to do is post some rendered teasers with some meta (throw in a new Meg with a cookie on her desk and this forum would lose their mind) and people would be signing up left and right to give him money. Instead he's posting this cryptic desperate updates that read to me like someone under a lot of stress having to figure something out that is entirely new to them and a constant pressure to be done already.
I've had to work with people who exhibited the exact same characteristics Deem is putting forward and it's literally checking all of the boxes for a stressed out worker that's trying to do everything. A big hallmark of this is working to the point of exhaustion and then sleeping for excessively long amounts of time. That kind of work almost invariably leads to mistakes and problems, which means you've spent hours that have to be completely redone - and if you messed up some underlying code you've just compounded the problem.
A major part of huge projects is learning when to step away and do some self care. I know no one here wants to hear that - they want the next update - but a major part of huge projects is stepping away to do something else. As an earlier poster mentioned: go out to dinner, go to a movie, binge watch some Netflix, read a book, go to a bar, have sex - ANYTHING OTHER THAN WORK. It's super duper uber important to get away from work to continue to do good work.
Just look at Japan's work culture. Workers are expected to put in 12-14 hours a day, but their productivity is no better - and many times is worse - than an North American (US/Canada) or Western Europe worker that's only putting in 6-7. There's only so much productivity you have in your brain each day. This is *especially* true for creative work.
If I'm wrong - and it's just an attempt to milk a last Patreon payment - then fine I'll admit I was wrong.
But if I'm right then I hope someone who knows him better steps in to help guide him on some basic principles of project management. Maybe just convince him to go watch some SkillShare information on time management and project management. Because Deem is literally making all of the mistakes you can make, but it's almost certainly not his fault.
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I think a lot of you fellas have to realize that most people who get stimulated by watching a traffic accident don't really want the accident victim's car.
The Patreon numbers keep climbing while the release dates get closer to being set backward in time and the updates regarding missing the release dates get more and more inexplicable. This is theater at this point. And I wouldn't even bat an eyelash if Deem is bought out by EA at this point for millions while being named president of the new EA WEGFap division.
The Patreon numbers keep climbing while the release dates get closer to being set backward in time and the updates regarding missing the release dates get more and more inexplicable. This is theater at this point. And I wouldn't even bat an eyelash if Deem is bought out by EA at this point for millions while being named president of the new EA WEGFap division.
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I think the fact that all of the alpha testers stopped posting entirely is more worrisome.
I mean, if I were one of them I would do the same. Lying for weeks on how amazing the alpha was, when it was pretty crappy with stripped content, missing renders and barely any new scenes...
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Irredeemable and one of the alpha testers said they were going to quit posting here until 2.0 is released because every time they said something, the thread became another bitch session. Obviously, the rest have done the same.
This so much. I don't understand why people here keep coming around and complain all the time, just go do something else until it comes out.
That's why when one of the games I like is actually about to be complete I'm going to pledge the highest tier so I actually feel like I supported them.
He is just milking people. 6 months with no updates the only update being this useless v1.99995 update.
You know what I find kinda funny/odd/strange/dumb? The fact that people keep saying Deem had to completely redo the game. It is a myth that he had to do that. What was required (by Patreon) was MINOR revisions and rendering a FEW new images. The core rewrite was HIS idea, and he just decided to do as he did the rewrite. Not to mention that it isn't a COMEPLETE rewrite because he kept LARGE portions of the code. In short, he only needed a couple of weeks to make Patreon happy, then he could have done his "core" reworking.
So, a month after it was supposed to be out, and uncounted "no, really, this time" statements, I'm just going to out this thread on ignore and move along.
So, a month after it was supposed to be out, and uncounted "no, really, this time" statements, I'm just going to out this thread on ignore and move along.
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I dont think that is entirely accurate
I think we are dealing with someone who thought " I can make a shitty game" but realized its a lot more work than he thought it was
Oh well, Hopefully tomorrow
I also think it's fair to say that there's a lot of people who are genuinely interested in this specific fictional setting. Deem himself may have some really high creative goals for what he's wanting to create with this.
My fear is that this turns into a Phil Fish kinda scenario wherein Deem is such a perfectionist that everything gets constantly delayed and pushed back, which compounds the pressure to get done and get it right, the whole thing causing an exponential growth in anxiety to the point that he just quits.
That's what my fear honestly is.
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I'd stop posting too. Although in this case I'd say it was more like "every time they said something and that turned out to be completely bogus, the thread became another bitch session". But yeah, I'd shut up too.
rodneyeatme
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Maybe Deem is Phil Fish. If that's the case, we can send over the Max model from Daz to stick his head in a toilet.
gestved
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if he was phil fish he would have stopped working at the first sign of backlash