Ren'Py The Bite: Revenant [v0.9313] [madmate.games]

[SpyderArachnid]

Then please pay attention and don't create arguments against things which no-one said.
Putting words into someone's mouth then arguing as if they said it, is unnacceptable.
I did not add it to your list, at all.
You spoke of common traits, which I have proven using sex is one of. It is a common trait, found throughout vampire history.
We have been talking, since the beginning of this conversation, about vampires from Sumerian, Greek & Roman mythology being sexually active creatures.

Except we haven't. You brought all that into this. I was just talking about Vampire blood use and how it is consumed. You brought up ancient Vampires from mythology and how they used sex as a weapon. I mentioned it briefly with Lilith, because she was also considered a demon, then went back to talking about basic blood use in Vampires.

I wasn't discussing mythological Vampires at all. You're the one who kept trying to use them as an example. I was just talking about Vampires in general (in a more modern sense as it pertained to this game) and how they used blood.

 

[SpyderArachnid]

The conversation was taking place before you joined it.
You claimed that vampires do not use sex, because they have no sex drive & no physical capability.
Both are proven untrue by many iterations of vampires, from the myths of many different cultures, across over 2,000 years of history.

Yeah I just now realized the confusion after going back a few pages to see what you were talking about. I was mainly going off the whole discussion of Vampires having sex and thought to add a technical view to it for fun. There was no mythology in my response, just a little fun post about blood use in Vampires.

And I never said they don't use sex. I just said it didn't make sense for them to do it in a logical sense going off the amount of blood they would have to expend to perform the act. We are just theorizing here over make-believe stuff.

 

[SpyderArachnid]

Which I also showed to be mathematically & logically incorrect.

Except it's not, because again, you're assume a Vampire has the same amount of blood that a Human does in their system, when they don't have anywhere near that amount. So you can't use Human blood as an example of how much blood a Vampire has. They just don't compare.

 

[SpyderArachnid]

No, I am not assuming anything of the sort.
I am simply noting that an erection requires circa 130ml of blood &, without a vascular system, it's the equivalent of storing it in a balloon.
There is nothing to burn off, or remove, or circulate that blood. So there is absolutely no reason to assume that it would require constant replenishment.
They move it to their dick, make it hard. Job done.
The only thing that is going to burn off/deplete some of their blood store, is the act of sex.
They gain 52 x the expenditure of getting their dick hard. There is no way that the act of sex is going to burn more than they consume.
If they are that concerned about it, they can just go on the bottom!

And again, it's all up for the user's interpretation. If they use that blood to fill their erection, will it get consumed causing them to have to expend more blood to keep the erection going? Or in another case like yours, can they store the blood in their system without it being expended like the rest of the actions that expend blood?

It's all how we see it, since there is no definitive proof on what happens. Since it is all fiction, we can see it how we want to. I believe one thing, you believe another. Neither is incorrect as you say, it is just different beliefs on how it works. It's fiction, there is no wrong or right. It's however you interpret it since there is no actual proof on how it works.

All we know is Vampires expend the blood they consume. Thus needing to "refill" to continue... living. How it is expended or if it is storable, we have no idea. The joy of fiction. It's however we think it works. Nothing is wrong and nothing is right. It's all make-believe! lol

 

[SpyderArachnid]

Well that's the whole point. We don't know.
So you can't say it's illogical.
With the right context & conditions, it's perfectly logical.
It's mathematically plausible.
There is historical precedent.
This game is obviously saying that it is logical.

Just like you can't say it's incorrect. It's all fantasy. The game can say it's logical, because it's a porn game lol. It's all make-believe and it will say whatever works so you can get your dick wet lol. That's the joy of fiction once again.

There's another game I played (name slips me at the moment) that has Vampires drinking regular beverages, eating food, sleeping, having sex, and doing everything that humans would do (basically, they acted just like humans yet they were considered Vampires).

Just shows that no matter what we believe in how things work, there is always another interpretation from someone else that won't agree with what you believe (or the norm).

 

[andrew david irving]

Wow ... this 'debate' is reminiscent of Frank Zappa's "Apostrophe" conversation with his dog ... You should agree-to-disagree and move on.

 

[whichone]

Wow ... this 'debate' is reminiscent of Frank Zappa's "Apostrophe" conversation with his dog ... You should agree-to-disagree and move on.

Yeah, you're right.
I'm leaving it there.

 

[cxx]

Wow ... this 'debate' is reminiscent of Frank Zappa's "Apostrophe" conversation with his dog ... You should agree-to-disagree and move on.

normal f95, no update so debates on something lore related until update and then game debate a while and then back to "normal".

 

[SpyderArachnid]

I proved why things you suggested as justification for your opinion were incorrect, or implausible.
That's entirley different from saying that a vampire being a sexual being is illogical.

Again, it's not incorrect. It can't be.

You're trying to use real life human blood uses mathematically on a supernatural fantasy creature that doesn't exist in the real world lol.

For all we know, it requires more blood for a Vampire to do the same things a human can do. Again, we don't know since it is all fiction and there is no definitive proof. Like I keep saying, it's not wrong or right. It's fantasy. Make-believe. You can't "prove" that someone is incorrect when none of it is real lol.

It feels like you have this need to be right in this discussion when there is no right or wrong. I've already agreed to disagree since this is all just make-believe. So I don't understand what you're trying to prove here.

Wow ... this 'debate' is reminiscent of Frank Zappa's "Apostrophe" conversation with his dog ... You should agree-to-disagree and move on.

Yeah sorry about that. It got dragged out a bit much.

 

[OleJackRipper]

I proved why things you suggested as justification for your opinion were incorrect, or implausible.
That's entirley different from saying that a vampire being a sexual being is illogical.
There are over 2,000 years of history that say otherwise.

. . . forreal?!

This is hilarious! You'll spent the time to argue about logic for non-existent and illogical beings?!

 

[Darkmetal]

If a vampire's heart is just some dead organ that doesn't do shyte, then the most popular lore method of killing them by staking them through the heart wouldn't do bugger all to a vampire, would it?

In virtually all depictions of them, an active vampire's heart does beat. Whether it's Blade, Buffy or Bram Stoker's, when a vampire suffers dismemberment, there's massive blood spray. Blood spray is caused by a beating heart pumping blood through arteries that are now severed. If it wasn't pumping blood through the system, there'd be no blood or at most some drip from the end that's pointing downward through gravity (i.e. no blood coming "up" from the neck in a decapitation).

In some media it's even directly shown e.g. In the Underworld franchise, when the hibernating vampires (Victor and Marcus) are revived, the heart was directly shown to start beating again as blood started to enter their system. A beating heart was also shown when Selene reached in and brought David back to life.

Regardless, this is madmate's "universe" and he can make whatever "vampire rules" he likes, IMO, and that would appear to include blood flow to the D.

 

[whichone]

If a vampire's heart is just some dead organ that doesn't do shyte, then the most popular lore method of killing them by staking them through the heart wouldn't do bugger all to a vampire, would it?

Ha ha ha, good point.

. . . forreal?!

This is hilarious! You'll spent the time to argue about logic for non-existent and illogical beings?!

lol I did not bring logic into the conversation.
I simply said there was historical precedent, found in myths across multiple cultures going back to BC, for vampires being sexually active creatures & gave some examples.
I gave this fact in support of why it's perfectly acceptable to have sexually active vamps in the game.
It spawned this.

 

[JoeTheMC84]

This conversation.

Honestly, it can be fun to talk about differences in lore and myths for vampires, but at the end of the day in this setting the lore will be its own. We've already seen some of the ways it is, and some of what Doc has told us as well paints this stories version of vampires as having their own rules.

 

[whichone]

Honestly, it can be fun to talk about differences in lore and myths for vampires, but at the end of the day in this setting the lore will be its own. We've already seen some of the ways it is, and some of what Doc has told us as well paints this stories version of vampires as having their own rules.

Ha ha, yeah, which was the whole point from the start. In the context of the game & its world, it's absolutely appropriate to have sexually active vampires.
Them being that way is also strongly supported by many cultures' versions of the vampire myth, across history.
Until recent mainstream desexualisation occurred.

 

[SpyderArachnid]

If a vampire's heart is just some dead organ that doesn't do shyte, then the most popular lore method of killing them by staking them through the heart wouldn't do bugger all to a vampire, would it?

In virtually all depictions of them, an active vampire's heart does beat. Whether it's Blade, Buffy or Bram Stoker's, when a vampire suffers dismemberment, there's massive blood spray. Blood spray is caused by a beating heart pumping blood through arteries that are now severed. If it wasn't pumping blood through the system, there'd be no blood or at most some drip from the end that's pointing downward through gravity (i.e. no blood coming "up" from the neck in a decapitation).

In some media it's even directly shown e.g. In the Underworld franchise, when the hibernating vampires (Victor and Marcus) are revived, the heart was directly shown to start beating again as blood started to enter their system. A beating heart was also shown when Selene reached in and brought David back to life.

Regardless, this is madmate's "universe" and he can make whatever "vampire rules" he likes, IMO, and that would appear to include blood flow to the D.

Eh, like I mentioned before, it's all dependent on where you get your lore from. A simple google search asking "Do vampires have a pulse" will straight up tell you this:

"According to vampiric legend, vampires have no pulse, no breath, do not eat and are for all intents and purposes dead."

And if you have no pulse, you have no blood pumping through your system, thus, no heartbeat. And of course movies are going to have blood spray and show a beating heart, cause it's movies lol. It needs to be dramatic and over the top. And Buffy's vampires didn't have a heartbeat (again, you can just quick google search that). They did explode into dust when they were staked though, not spray blood.

In Twilight and stuff like Vampire Diaries, the vampires are said to have beating hearts... I hope that's not what you are basing this off of lol.

As for the stake, again all depends on the lore you believe in. Some stories tell of stakes only stunning a vampire, immobilizing them, not actually killing them though. Then of course, the classic TV version where a stake kills a vampire (unless you're going off the Buffy movie, where a stake just made him groan for a long period of time lol).

But yeah, in the end, it's whatever you want it to be. It's all fiction, none of it is real, so go with whatever you want!

 

[SpyderArachnid]

I believe the stake through the heart part has its roots in Vlad the Impaler's story.
Not 100%.

I honestly have no idea. I think it was originally some Slavic thing for rituals. Though I'd have to do some wiki'ing to find out lol.

 

[whichone]

I honestly have no idea. I think it was originally some Slavic thing for rituals. Though I'd have to do some wiki'ing to find out lol.

Yeah, see my edit above, medieval Slavic ritual born because they did not recognise signs of decay & mistook someone being bloated with decomposition gases, for being someone gaining weight.
They were classified undead, so stake through the heart. lol

The English used to put a stake through the heart of suicides.
Drag them to unconsecrated ground, bury them without religion at a crossroads (so that the spirit wouldn't know which way to go) or something & drive a stake into the heart as punishment.

 

[Yokanzo]

Not sure what the point of this debate is.
Vampires function differently in every story and universe with some universes choosing to borrow from others.

Case in point Anne Rice's vampires most resemble the World of Darkness vampires in that they are basically undead and don't have the same wants and needs as humans. Yet they reproduce by draining their victims and making the dying victim drink their blood. Also a semi-biblical origin story. WoD vampires have sex because they choose to, and they use the blush of life to mimic it. The whole point of it is its all just a facsimile and mockery of what these things once were and other than indulging in some nostalgia or using it to achieve a higher purpose it doesn't actually benefit you the way blood does.

In The Bite: Revenant - the vampires are a result of some ancient parasite that reconfigures your anatomy to become them. You can then consciously spread vampirism by consciously injecting that parasite into another person when you bite them, it's a choice made. So in this story vampires breathe and have bodily functions but ultimately are something else now as they no longer resemble their previous form. As for powers it seems the story leaves it ambiguous whether they are biological or magical. So sex is biologically possible, but no longer the primary drive because you're no reconfigured to crave blood all the time.

 

[bigjoe1988]

does it matter what stats you pick at the start

 

[JoeTheMC84]

does it matter what stats you pick at the start

So far, that I have noticed, there are a few dialog differences in some parts, but I don't think any major moments have been affected by the stats yet.