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Though I don't know why, but I would prefer it that if Antonio were to die, he'd somehow go out heroically rather than get a traitor's death (and nah.......I don't feel guilty about stealing Isabel from him despite liking Antonio :LOL: and even though he has been nice to MC )
100% this.
I like the guy, he deserves an honourable exit, in order for us to assume power.
 
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100% this.
I like the guy, he deserves an honourable exit, in order for us to assume power.
Yup.

My idea of it would be him and MC perhaps end up going on a mission together, and they discover a plot by the other Familes of Big 5 (sans DeLuca) in a plot to overthrow the DeLuca Family.
They try to warn Cordia and Wilfred, but fall in a trap and is cornered.


Antonio somehow buys time for MC to escape and warn the Family, but is completely surrounded.


Antonio: Bring it on.

After several minutes of fighting (with many fallen enemies around him), Antonio is on his knees, injured.
Yet guns are still aimed at him from all around.

Other Dons of Big 5: (to Antonio) Any last words?
Antonio: Hope, please look after Isabel and my Family..... (then shots are fired, and Antonio slumps to the ground).


Now something like that, I could really get behind (even though there's probably a lot of holes in that little write, as many holes as in the cheese :ROFLMAO: )
 

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Yup.

My idea of it would be him and MC perhaps end up going on a mission together, and they discover a plot by the other Familes of Big 5 (sans DeLuca) in a plot to overthrow the DeLuca Family.
They try to warn Cordia and Wilfred, but fall in a trap and is cornered.


Antonio somehow buys time for MC to escape and warn the Family, but is completely surrounded.


Antonio: Bring it on.

After several minutes of fighting (with many fallen enemies around him), Antonio is on his knees, injured.
Yet guns are still aimed at him from all around.

Other Dons of Big 5: (to Antonio) Any last words?
Antonio: Hope, please look after Isabel and my Family..... (then shots are fired, and Antonio slumps to the ground).


Now something like that, I could really get behind (even though there's probably a lot of holes in that little write, as many as holes in the cheese :ROFLMAO: )
lol Yeah, or Gracie investigating the M6 on MC's behalf, to find out who they are for Luna's revenge.
Maybe she gets into trouble & Antonio & MC rescue her, but he dies in the process.
Or she discovers something & he goes to physically investigate.
Maybe he doesn't get killed, just trapped, so that the M6 can exert a power play over Cordia & the De Luca's.

I know those images aren't canon, but the fact that everyone in the family (including Wilfred, so not gender based/girls only) is there, except him, does beg a question of why?
 
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lol Yeah, or Gracie investigating the M6 on MC's behalf, to find out who they are for Luna's revenge.
Maybe she gets into trouble & Antonio & MC rescue her, but he dies in the process.
Or she discovers something & he goes to physically investigate.
Maybe he doesn't get killed, just trapped, so that the M6 can exert a power play over Cordia & the De Luca's.

I know those images aren't canon, but the fact that everyone in the family is there, except him, does beg a question of why?
I can't see the image you've attached the previous page (error comes up when I try to load), but I'm guessing it's that pic with MC, Luna, Gracie, Cordia and Wilfred.
Yeah, I mean it's just a fun render which can't be taken too seriously (since the render still has Cordia sitting on the throne as a Queen, with Wilfred beside her in a advisor like status, and MC in the middle of stairs surrounded by Luna, Gracie and Isabel.

If hypothetically it's a canon image, I'd imagine it's MC sitting on the throne with all the girls surrounding him, heh.

This is just my thought but I think perhaps MC's possible rise to become the Don of the Family may have been implied in the event "Mother" where Cordia catches MC sneaking in her office.
When she catches him, she basically tells him to sit on her chair (i.e. the Don's Chair).
MC hesitantly says "Your chair? I couldn't possibly sit....." but all she says is "The Chair...."

And I doubt Cordia would let anyone sit on her chair. I mean sure, Antonio sat on it during the meet with Straffan, but he has the position as Underboss (Capo Bastone) and being Donna's son so he has the right to it. But would Cordia approve of others to sit on her chair like she did for MC? Especially someone who isn't one of her children?

Makes me think that her action (though trivial it may be) might imply that she would consider MC as an alternate successor (to her) should something terrible happen to Antonio.

Quite interesting to think about.
 

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And I doubt Cordia would let anyone sit on her chair. I mean sure, Antonio sat on it during the meet with Straffan, but he has the position as Underboss (Capo Bastone) and being Donna's son so he has the right to it. But would Cordia approve of others to sit on her chair like she did for MC? Especially someone who isn't one of her children?

Makes me think that her action (though trivial it may be) might imply that she would consider MC as an alternate successor (to her) should something terrible happen to Antonio.

Quite interesting to think about.
Yeah, kinda like a "sit in the chair, let me see how you look as the top dog...", I can see that.
tbh I just felt she was showing him how important he is, to her.
I mean, I doubt if many others have seen her in her negligee, either! :LOL:
"I love you as a member of my family's inner circle & for how you've helped my girls. Let me demonstrate how much you mean to me, by allowing you to sit at the head."
 
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I could see Antonio and Isabel "retiring" if their marriage gets fixed, and they sail off into the sunset. Antonio knowing that MC will look after his sisters, and the two of them focusing on having a family without the pressures of The Family.
 
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I could see Antonio and Isabel "retiring" if their marriage gets fixed, and they sail off into the sunset. Antonio knowing that MC will look after his sisters, and the two of them focusing on having a family without the pressures of The Family.
I don't know about that.
Antonio looks to be pretty much willing to take over the Family business as Cordia's successor, and I don't think we've seen any glimpses of him being tired and want to be away from the Mafia life.
Even if Antonio & Isabel make amends and their marriage gets fixed, I'd find it hard to believe he'd be vacating his position as the head of the Family, should Cordia retire.

Besides, even when one retires and leaves the Mafia life, would it truly be called retiring for good?
 

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I don't know about that.
Antonio looks to be pretty much willing to take over the Family business as Cordia's successor, and I don't think we've seen any glimpses of him being tired and want to be away from the Mafia life.
Even if Antonio & Isabel make amends and their marriage gets fixed, I'd find it hard to believe he'd be vacating his position as the head of the Family, should Cordia retire.

Besides, even when one retires and leaves the Mafia life, would it truly be called retiring for good?
I can't see their marriage getting fixed. He's into men. Bi/gay is irrelevant.
They can move past the hurt of the lost child, the pain lessens with time. But you can't move past him being sexually attracted to men. No amount of time is going to lessen his sexuality.

Most mafia organisations have a blood oath. People breaking those oaths tend to end up dying.
 

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I can't see their marriage getting fixed. He's into men. Bi/gay is irrelevant.
They can move past the hurt of the lost child, the pain lessens with time. But you can't move past him being sexually attracted to men. No amount of time is going to lessen his sexuality.
Is that really the case? By extension that would mean that no bisexual person would be able to settle down in the long run. I mean, yes, they are attracted to other people, but so is every hetero. It's just that with bisexuals it's roughly twice as many potential love interests.
 

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Is that really the case? By extension that would mean that no bisexual person would be able to settle down in the long run. I mean, yes, they are attracted to other people, but so is every hetero. It's just that with bisexuals it's roughly twice as many potential love interests.
I expect that a bi person may make a choice for their "life partner", for lack of a better term.
But I'm positive that this will not diminish their desire for the other sex. Hence him visiting the club, after being married.
I expect that they won't stop being bi, simply because they fell in love with one of the two sexes they find attractive & made a commitment to that individual.
 

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I can't see their marriage getting fixed. He's into men. Bi/gay is irrelevant.
They can move past the hurt of the lost child, the pain lessens with time. But you can't move past him being sexually attracted to men. No amount of time is going to lessen his sexuality.

Most mafia organisations have a blood oath. People breaking those oaths tend to end up dying.
Does the game say Antonio is still Bi/gay and into men even if the player chooses to be only friends with Isabel (i.e. abandon her Netori path)?
Never bothered myself with Isabel friendship path (considering it doesn't seem to be offering anything new from Netori path for most part, other than no Isabel romance and exclusion of her Netori events), so that's still a question mark for me.

Just thought that if friendship path doesn't state that he's bi/gay, perhaps that would be going the route of possibly fixing their marriage.
 
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Does the game say Antonio is still Bi/gay and into men even if the player chooses to be only friends with Isabel (i.e. abandon her Netori path)?
Never bothered myself with Isabel friendship path (considering it doesn't seem to be offering anything new from Netori path for most part, other than no Isabel romance and exclusion of her Netori events), so that's still a question mark for me.

Just thought that if friendship path doesn't state that he's bi/gay, perhaps that would be going the route of possibly fixing their marriage.
Don't know mate, sorry.
Same as you, I fell for her temptations! :love:
 
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I expect that a bi person may make a choice for their "life partner", for lack of a better term.
But I'm positive that this will not diminish their desire for the other sex. Hence him visiting the club, after being married.
I expect that they won't stop being bi, simply because they fell in love with one of the two sexes they find attractive & made a commitment to that individual.
I am not in a place to disagree since the only bi person (that I know of) has a failed marriage, so maybe somebody who is bi may want to chime in, because on the one hand, yes, sex with only one gender is somewhat limited, but on the other hand heteros also have a lot of temptations running around. They may also still desire some people and have to restrain themselves. So it may depend on how important "variance in sex" is for you, or if you're just not closing down while looking for "the one".
 
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I am not in a place to disagree since the only bi person (that I know of) has a failed marriage, so maybe somebody who is bi may want to chime in, because on the one hand, yes, sex with only one gender is somewhat limited, but on the other hand heteros also have a lot of temptations running around. They may also still desire some people and have to restrain themselves. So it may depend on how important "variance in sex" is for you, or if you're just not closing down while looking for "the one".
Well, think of it in different terms.
A hetero person gets married, they remain heterosexual.
A homosexual person gets married, they remain homosexual.
I see nothing to suggest that a bisexual person who gets married, would not remain bisexual?
I do not think that sexuality is a choice, or that it can be altered.

They chose to settle down with the person they fell in love with.
That does not stop them still being attracted to both sexes.
 
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Well, think of it in different terms.
A hetero person gets married, they remain heterosexual.
A homosexual person gets married, they remain homosexual.
I see nothing to suggest that a bisexual person who gets married, would not remain bisexual?

They chose to settle down with the person they fell in love with.
That does not stop them still being attracted to both sexes.
Certainly not, I agree with all of your assumptions. But since a heterosexual person can ignore their attraction to other people of the opposite gender when settling down, and homosexuals can ignore other same gender temptations, bisexuals may be able to ignore them as well. Question is probably: are you bisexual because you "need" both genders as partners, or are you because you do not shy back from anybody just because of it?
 

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Certainly not, I agree with all of your assumptions. But since a heterosexual person can ignore their attraction to other people of the opposite gender when settling down, and homosexuals can ignore other same gender temptations, bisexuals may be able to ignore them as well. Question is probably: are you bisexual because you "need" both genders as partners, or are you because you do not shy back from anybody just because of it?
Absolutely, once they settle down they behave in either a homosexual, or heterosexual way.
But they are still bisexual. Being sexually attracted to either sex is the only prerequisite.
Making a commitment to a person of one sex, does not stop you finding the other sex physically attractive.
Much the same as getting married doesn't mean you stop finding other women/men attractive.

Many homosexual men got married, had children. They didn't stop being gay.
 

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Absolutely, once they settle down they behave in either a homosexual, or heterosexual way.
But they are still bisexual. Being sexually attracted to either sex is the only prerequisite.
Making a commitment to a person of one sex, does not stop you finding the other sex physically attractive.
Much the same as getting married doesn't mean you stop finding other women/men attractive.

Many homosexual men got married, had children. They didn't stop being gay.
The point is that when a straight man gets married he still finds other women attractive. That doesn't stop him being married. Why does finding people other than your wife attractive change if it's just women or a mixture of women and men?
 

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The point is that when a straight man gets married he still finds other women attractive. That doesn't stop him being married. Why does finding people other than your wife attractive change if it's just women or a mixture of women and men?
You're telling me what my own point is? :unsure:
OK, thanks.

You're wrong, by the way. That's not the point, at all.
To clarify, the point is that I do not think that someone, who is bisexual & marries a partner, alters their sexuality.
They enter into a homosexual, or heterosexual relationship, yes.
But I do not believe this stops them from being bisexual. They may not act on it, if they're monogamous, but they'll still get turned on by both sexes.
Homosexual men, who got married to a woman for 30 years & had children, did not turn heterosexual.
There is no reason to think that a bisexual man, who did the same, would. As evidenced by Antonio, although not that long & no children.
Question is probably: are you bisexual because you "need" both genders as partners, or are you because you do not shy back from anybody just because of it?
It's simply about what you find sexually attractive.
If you're sexually attracted to\aroused by both sexes, you're bisexual. That's it.
A bi man falling in love with & marrying a woman doesn't prevent him from also being sexually attracted to men.
Being monogamous may prevent him acting on that attraction, but it's not going to prevent the attraction from happening.

As you say, it's hard enough for people who are only attracted to one sex to be monogamous! :ROFLMAO:
 
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It's simply about what you find sexually attractive.
If you're sexually attracted to\aroused by both sexes, you're bisexual. That's it.
A bi man falling in love with & marrying a woman doesn't prevent him from also being sexually attracted to men.
Being monogamous may prevent him acting on that attraction, but it's not going to prevent the attraction from happening.

As you say, it's hard enough for people who are only attracted to one sex to be monogamous! :ROFLMAO:
It's a bit like were talking past each other. They do not change their sexuality at all, that I think we all can agree on. But even heterosexual or homosexual "married" (catch all here for any permanent monogamous relationship) find other people attractive. And coming back to the usual point I do not see how Antonio not only finding women other than Isabella attractive but also men is preventing their marriage to be successful. If he can resist temptation from girls, he should also be able to resist temptation from boys. That does not mean that he will resist - as possibly shown by his visits to a certain table - but I see no reason why he couldn't.
 
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